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Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 As promised, my thoughts on last night: • The anniversary dinner was delightful. • Saquon was telling the truth. The Giants never made an offer and his agent did give them a chance to match. I mentioned weeks ago about how reality TV shows are masters of the overly juicy preview clip. (That said next week's tease seemed unequivocal in Daboll's support of trading up for Daniels). • Clear how rampant tampering is when Berry was able to give Schoen a highly accurate market price before the negotiating window opened. • Those were some uneasy conversations between Mara and Schoen. Lot of nervous laughter from Schoen. I saw the debate yesterday about the Saquon decision putting Schoen on the hot seat. It's obviously not that simple. But it would be a big log on the fire if Saquon tears it up in Philly and the Giants offense stinks without him. I think Schoen handled the Saquon situation correctly. But that doesn't mean he'll be immune from scrutiny, especially from his skeptical boss, if he's not validated by results. I'm sure Schoen really wishes that text about Saquon going to the Bears was accurate. • Obvious but Brian Burns really needs to deliver. Point got driven home about how much one move impacts others. They couldn't shop the top of the OL market (Hunt got $20M/year) or really make any other defensive additions in FA after committing to Burns. Not a surprise, but Bowen confirmed Burns will play a "shit ton" of snaps. Interesting that Daboll asked about his sack production considering how much coaches tend to downplay the stat. • Disappointed that we didn't get to see much of the Burns trade negotiations. We went from preliminary talks at the Senior Bowl/combine to finalizing very different details at the start of FA. • Also disappointed by the lack of insight into McKinney's departure. He doesn't have Saquon's star power but his contract is worth $30M more. Would have liked to get some sense on what, if anything, the Giants even offered. • Daboll emphasized the need for interior OL. Very little talk of Neal positively or negatively. Rossetti mentioned Eluemunor as the possible starting RT or LG. When Schoen listed the young core OL if they signed Runyan, he mentioned Thomas and JMS but not Neal. Adding a third year for Runyan without upping the guarantees from the Jets' two-year offer is a win for the Giants. That additional year essentially serves as a team option. Eluemunor negotiating was interesting, with him wanting a two-year deal and the team then wanting no guarantees in Year 2. They can get out pretty painlessly if they want to move on after this season. • Surprised they seemed confident in re-signing Tyrod. I got the sense that he was ready to move on after how last season unfolded. • This episode felt more like an edited TV show. I'm sure they had more targets than the handful featured. And it would have been more interesting to get to watch Abrams/Triggs negotiate rather than hear about it after, but I get why there would be issues with getting to show that. |
- While Saquon may have been technically correct that the Giants didn't make a final offer, he was a little disingenuous in claiming that he wanted to be a Giant for life. The way his agent equivocated when Schoen asked if SB would accept them meeting Philly's offer tells me he wanted out (which is understandable).
- I'm not convinced the Burns deal had that much of an impact on their OL shopping. Would Schoen have met or upped Hunt's $20M offer? I guess we'll never know, but I have my doubts.
- Regarding Neal, I still remain puzzled that so many act surprised that they signed Eluemunor as a backup plan if Neal didn't work out. We all knew that when he was signed, hell, many of us were calling for it before the FA process started. And I took Schoen's "JMS, Runyon, AT" comment as meaning they had fixed that side of the line, not necessarily as an indictment of Neal.
- Totally agree with Duggan on Tyrod. He was pissed when Daboll passed him over when he came back form injury to start DeVito. The only way he comes back is if the Giants had a much better offer than NYJ.
- While Saquon may have been technically correct that the Giants didn't make a final offer, he was a little disingenuous in claiming that he wanted to be a Giant for life. The way his agent equivocated when Schoen asked if SB would accept them meeting Philly's offer tells me he wanted out (which is understandable).
He equivocated because he was trying to get more money -- which he did. That's a good agent trying to raise the stakes.
I do think they are at the very least trying to portray themselves as financially disciplined - but also able to adjust
Barkley to me is the MOST overrated player in Giants history! Hands down. He had a great rookie year but was hurt a TON and his production was many times in losing efforts (blowouts even) and a number of times he himself came up small (opportunities for big plays missed, lack of physicality when needed and horrible blocking when called upon) and I think his overall play began to slide after the Houston game in 2022..
Barkley to me is the MOST overrated player in Giants history! Hands down. He had a great rookie year but was hurt a TON and his production was many times in losing efforts (blowouts even) and a number of times he himself came up small (opportunities for big plays missed, lack of physicality when needed and horrible blocking when called upon) and I think his overall play began to slide after the Houston game in 2022..
Agree. He has value if you can scheme to get him the ball in space, but he isn't suited to be the everydown back - someone that excels when needed to convert 3rd and 1, hit the hole hard, get a tough couple of yards, make a hole if necessary.
I've been saying it for years - I think this is how the organization runs, and a lesser GM is going to go along with the ownership group and his cronies/family to try and save his own skin.
McKinney's impact on this team was minimal. Really don't remember him making a big impact in any game and his talent is nowhere close to being the 2nd highest paid safety in the league.
Don't let the door hit you guys.
Barkley to me is the MOST overrated player in Giants history! Hands down. He had a great rookie year but was hurt a TON and his production was many times in losing efforts (blowouts even) and a number of times he himself came up small (opportunities for big plays missed, lack of physicality when needed and horrible blocking when called upon) and I think his overall play began to slide after the Houston game in 2022..
Even throw the popularity out. At some point in time ANY intelligent person needs to realize they're not being successful doing something a certain way and adjust.
Bottom line is we've overall been a bad team trying to center things around Barkley on offense. We need to change course and winning will be more popular than 26 jerseys.
I know he's El Presidente, but Mara has absolutely no presence about him. He is pure milquetoast. He's very unimpressive as a C-suite type.
Keep in mind that the Eagles have let go a couple of 1000 yard rushers in the last few years. Heck, I can run through some of those holes. If Barkley runs for over 1000 yards, is he any better than what they had before?
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In favor of a game changing ER and additional OL is the right call. Especially drafting Jim Nabors. However, I think people are in for some eye opening with Barkley on the Philly team. Especially if their OL hasn't taken too many steps back with the loss of Kelce.
Keep in mind that the Eagles have let go a couple of 1000 yard rushers in the last few years. Heck, I can run through some of those holes. If Barkley runs for over 1000 yards, is he any better than what they had before?
OK, fair enough. But Barkley had over 960 with an offense with the worst OL in the league (especially for the 1st 8 games), frequently being met behind the LoS, and with not much else around him as far as skill players (at least consistently). Not sure how Deandre Swift looks on the Giants in 2023. I think a lot of people are really underestimating Barkley. I personally think he is going to kick some serious ass on that offense. I hope not actually, but that's how I see it playing out.
Barkley to me is the MOST overrated player in Giants history! Hands down. He had a great rookie year but was hurt a TON and his production was many times in losing efforts (blowouts even) and a number of times he himself came up small (opportunities for big plays missed, lack of physicality when needed and horrible blocking when called upon) and I think his overall play began to slide after the Houston game in 2022..
I took it from the perspective that losing your most popular and let’s be frank only significant star, was a meaningful loss in the owner’s eye! I don’t begrudge the decision to let Saquon go, but this team lacks star power. And despite some people’s idea that the name on the front of the jersey is more important than that on the back, star power does matter. Hearing Mara share that was noteworthy for me.
The comment on Eluemunor potentially being the RT shows their thinking pretty clearly.
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spot that was not overly great from a Mara doesn't interfere section was how he portrayed Barkley as their most popular player.. Who cares as far as building your team goes. That is more fan like thinking than building a team thinking.
Barkley to me is the MOST overrated player in Giants history! Hands down. He had a great rookie year but was hurt a TON and his production was many times in losing efforts (blowouts even) and a number of times he himself came up small (opportunities for big plays missed, lack of physicality when needed and horrible blocking when called upon) and I think his overall play began to slide after the Houston game in 2022..
I took it from the perspective that losing your most popular and let’s be frank only significant star, was a meaningful loss in the owner’s eye! I don’t begrudge the decision to let Saquon go, but this team lacks star power. And despite some people’s idea that the name on the front of the jersey is more important than that on the back, star power does matter. Hearing Mara share that was noteworthy for me.
Star power means nothing. Wins do
If he could have cost us another one or two games, we'd have our quarterback of the future in the building!
The fact that they not just wanted, but were disappointed about the fact that they couldn't retaining Taylor makes ZERO sense to me.
The idea of having the most injury prone backup in the NFL to be 2nd string to a starter that also has major injury concerns is just dumb - I can't find a nicer way to put it.
Especially since DJ is going into an opt out year, with no young QB in the room to groom or potentially take over. I don't get what the NYG are thinking.
After convincing myself that they built that out into the contract as a get out jail free (well - not free, but you get what I'm sayin) after next year, and then after watching this show, I'm really starting to believe that Schoen and Co. believe in DJ and it's not just an ultimatum from above.
I'm a little behind. I'm cheap and couldn't talk myself into spending the money on HBO - but I gave in :)
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for standing his ground - that's not easy to do when the owner is telling you without telling you - if this doesn't work, it's on you.
I know he's El Presidente, but Mara has absolutely no presence about him. He is pure milquetoast. He's very unimpressive as a C-suite type.
He actually looks scared during the parts involving Barkley. Like a nervous, old lady.
Also, HBO didn’t play the agents voice in the phone call, but I suspect he wanted the Giants to beat the Eagles’ offer, not match it.
So basically Barkley went to the Eagles for $1 million more guaranteed. But the Giants are the stupid assholes?