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Doubledeuce22 : 7/17/2024 4:15 pm
Rojas, Baugh, Hukporti, and Kolek have all been impressive today. Duane Washington has been very good too. Dadiet hasn’t done much.
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You won't get actual value for Randle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2024 9:29 pm : link
Not even fans seem to acknowledge his *actual* value.
It’s complicated all around.  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2024 9:41 pm : link
He won’t find a better basketball fit than the Knicks, but he may want more money than the Knicks are willing to give him. He’s also turning 30 and had shoulder and ankle surgeries over the past year, so that hurts his trade value too.

Katz was a little skeptical about the extension this summer too.
Rokas says he’s ready for the NBA.  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2024 9:44 pm : link
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Rokas did look good this afternoon, but I don't see where he'll fit on  
Ira : 7/17/2024 9:46 pm : link
the Knicks.
RE: Rokas did look good this afternoon, but I don't see where he'll fit on  
Del Shofner : 7/17/2024 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16555133 Ira said:
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the Knicks.


Yeah, that's the thing. There's JB, Cam and Kolek, not to mention Deuce if you consider him a PG (which I don't really).

I will say that while I have nothing against Burks personally - seems like a good guy - I am happy that he signed with another team. Him as PG was just not good.
RE: BTW, Baugh started because Toppin  
TheMick7 : 7/18/2024 6:58 am : link
In comment 16555035 Del Shofner said:
[quote] has an injury of some kind. So he replaced a F. [/quote

Wat has impressed me about Baugh is his defense,which has been very impressive. His offense,at least for a game,caught up to his D yesterday!
RE: Rokas did look good this afternoon, but I don't see where he'll fit on  
LTIsTheGreatest : 7/18/2024 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16555133 Ira said:
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the Knicks.


I agree. Maybe he has some trade value as a part of a package to get a backup Center
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/18/2024 2:30 pm : link
that the Knicks were counting on McCullar for anything this season but the knee still being an issue in Mid-July after initially feeling pain in February... not great.
RE: RE: Rokas did look good this afternoon, but I don't see where he'll fit on  
Ira : 7/18/2024 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16555479 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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In comment 16555133 Ira said:


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the Knicks.



I agree. Maybe he has some trade value as a part of a package to get a backup Center


That sounds like a good idea.
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DanMetroMan : 7/18/2024 2:40 pm : link
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Begley  
Jon In NYC : 7/18/2024 6:20 pm : link
had a report saying the Knicks checked in on Capela. Only two paths to make the money work there: Mitch trade or Randle trade. Both kinda suck for Capela unless we were able to get Jalen Johnson too. He's going to be really really good if he isn't already.
RE: Begley  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2024 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16555663 Jon In NYC said:
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had a report saying the Knicks checked in on Capela. Only two paths to make the money work there: Mitch trade or Randle trade. Both kinda suck for Capela unless we were able to get Jalen Johnson too. He's going to be really really good if he isn't already.


Could use Precious sign and trade to make up the difference
I still  
Jon In NYC : 7/18/2024 8:18 pm : link
think it's going to be Kessler and they're just waiting for the Lauri trade to get done first.
And/or  
Jon In NYC : 7/18/2024 8:20 pm : link
they're waiting until the draft picks are eligible to be traded
RE: I still  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2024 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16555730 Jon In NYC said:
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think it's going to be Kessler and they're just waiting for the Lauri trade to get done first.


They are definitely working or waiting on something, it may end up being Precious but you wiukd think if they arent working on something Precious of signed already
Final Summer League game today at 6pm on ESPN.  
bceagle05 : 7/20/2024 3:57 pm : link
Last Knicks action til opening night.
Not starting a separate thread  
JT039 : 7/20/2024 4:05 pm : link
But our Olympic team is getting thrashed by South Sudan. Down 14 at half. Embiid is terrible. Booker is overrated and has a tough role on this team.

Their best 5 is

Curry
Tatum
Edward’s
James
Davis
Embiid  
JT039 : 7/20/2024 4:34 pm : link
Doesn’t belong on this team.
Nice to hear Sarah Kustok of the YES Network  
bceagle05 : 7/20/2024 6:18 pm : link
on the call for this Knicks game - she just spent five minutes raving about what Bridges will add to the Knicks.
RE: Final Summer League game today at 6pm on ESPN.  
Del Shofner : 7/20/2024 6:37 pm : link
In comment 16556391 bceagle05 said:
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Last Knicks action til opening night.


Rokas with a sweet alley-oop to Hukporti
well, finished SL 3-2 after starting 0-2 -  
Del Shofner : 7/20/2024 9:16 pm : link
that finish by Kolek for the first win seems to have set the tone for the next two games. He's a leader besides being a great passer and at least an OK shooter. His defense against real NBA PGs remains to be seen.

At C, Skap looked halfway decent. Kind of the same question as with Kolek - are his feet fast enough to play D in the NBA, against stretch 5s? Jury is out on that but he can rebound and has a little bit of an offensive game. Hukporti is sort of like early Mitch - rebounding and D, almost no offensive game.

Rokas looks good, looked better and better as SL went on. We are not shallow at PG at the moment - JB, Cam, Kolek, Rokas and Deuce if you consider him a PG. One of Cam, Deuce or Rokas could be trade bait.

Dadiet looked quite good on D, quite bad on O. But he's 18.

Baugh, who I never heard of before this SL, helped his cause and should at least stick in the G League. None of the other no-names really stood out. And i wouldn't mind never seeing D. Washington play as a Knick again. Nothing against him, but he's a chucker and that's not what we need.

Not to be cruel to Mitch but both summer league are showing  
fredgbrown : 7/20/2024 9:24 pm : link
more offensive game than Mitch. Have you seen Mitch with the ball in his hands if he doesn't dunk it...I don't have faith he will make most shots.
But none of the centers have the defense and rim protection Mitch  
fredgbrown : 7/20/2024 9:25 pm : link
does but they did a little better last couple of games.
Neither of them will replace Mitch, but one of them might replace Sims  
Ira : 7/20/2024 9:34 pm : link
at some point.
I just dont think the shot blocking  
nygiants16 : 7/20/2024 9:35 pm : link
will br as important for this team as it was last year pre OG trade..

When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..

RE: I just dont think the shot blocking  
ElitoCanton : 7/20/2024 9:45 pm : link
This assumes Thibs will stop playing drop coverage. Not sure he will. Though he should. Precious is good in a non drop drop defense. Hope they bring him back.

In comment 16556464 nygiants16 said:
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will br as important for this team as it was last year pre OG trade..

When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
RE: I just dont think the shot blocking  
Del Shofner : 7/20/2024 9:52 pm : link
In comment 16556464 nygiants16 said:
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will br as important for this team as it was last year pre OG trade..

When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..


I do not know if you are right or wrong, but if you are right I don't think either Skap or Hukporti is that guy. Also responding to Ira - that's what I would have said too, but was talking today to our son-in-law (he's a very good basketball player and at least a little connected) and he says the Knicks think Sims can be the backup C. Sims is certainly more athletic about doing what nyg16 says. I have all the same reservations as you about Sims, just saying what I hear.
Rokas  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2024 11:13 am : link
in advanced talks to play in Israel this season per Alessandro Maggi
Kolek is undersized but he's really skilled and is  
Heisenberg : 7/22/2024 11:19 am : link
probably already the best passer on the roster. I love a PG who keeps his head up and his dribble.
Begley said Kolek is ahead of Payne on the PG depth chart  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2024 11:44 am : link
but is still the 10th man in a nine-man rotation, barring a trade of course.
Kolek is already a good nba passer, but while his shot might work in  
Ira : 7/22/2024 12:09 pm : link
the Summer League, I think it needs some work before he plays against nba defenders. And, speaking of defense, Kolek needs a ton of work there. While I think he has a future in the nba, he may need a year of seasoning before he sees serious action when the games start to count.
RE: Kolek is undersized but he's really skilled and is  
Del Shofner : 7/22/2024 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16556935 Heisenberg said:
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probably already the best passer on the roster. I love a PG who keeps his head up and his dribble.


He's 6'3", 195. I don't think that's undersized for a guard. He is a great passer and I think he'll be a decent shooter. His foot speed on D against NBA guards is the question.
RE: RE: Kolek is undersized but he's really skilled and is  
Heisenberg : 7/22/2024 3:32 pm : link
In comment 16557053 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 16556935 Heisenberg said:


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probably already the best passer on the roster. I love a PG who keeps his head up and his dribble.



He's 6'3", 195. I don't think that's undersized for a guard. He is a great passer and I think he'll be a decent shooter. His foot speed on D against NBA guards is the question.


I don't believe either of those numbers. He looks closer to 6'1". To me, it was striking how much smaller he looked than Rokas. I look forward to seeing him with the main squad. Either way, exciting player because the basketball smarts and hustle should absolutely play off the bench pretty quickly. Easy to imagine him as part of a bench unit with Hart that pushes the floor and finds layups and open 3s.

Like Brunson, he has short arms and he'll be a defensive liability in some matchups. But the Knicks have a switchy squad where they should be able to hide him somewhere defensively if it gets to be a problem.
Kolek  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2024 3:36 pm : link
measured at 6'1.25 without shoes so he's closer to 6'3" than 6'1 on the court.
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DanMetroMan : 7/22/2024 3:45 pm : link
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this has nothing to do with Dan because everyone does this,  
Kmed6000 : 7/22/2024 4:28 pm : link
but I always found it hysterical in the NBA when guys are measured with shoes on. Why do we care that he's 6'3" with shoes? As long as everyone is measured the same(no shoes), thats the only measurement that's needed.

On a side note, measuring from foot to head is dumb too. Do guys block shots with their heads? The measurement should be from foot to the top of their hands when they are raised over their heads.
For  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2024 4:33 pm : link
whatever the reason, NBA.com didn't fill in measured heights with shoes from the combine (though it's a category on the page). I've seen differing information regarding how many inches the average player adds to their height with sneakers on but the most common answer I've found is about 1.5 inches which would mean Kolek on the court is probably just under 6'3". He wouldn't have been an option round 2 if he didn't have some flaws/concerns.
Celtics sign Sam Hauser to 4y/45M extension  
shyster : 7/23/2024 7:50 am : link
which will kick in after he toils for a mere $2M in 2024-25.

Played 22 MPG last season; 83% of his 7.1 FGAs per game were 3 pointers and he made 42.4%.

Undrafted guy makes good. For the wrong team.


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RE: For  
Heisenberg : 7/23/2024 8:49 am : link
In comment 16557181 DanMetroMan said:
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whatever the reason, NBA.com didn't fill in measured heights with shoes from the combine (though it's a category on the page). I've seen differing information regarding how many inches the average player adds to their height with sneakers on but the most common answer I've found is about 1.5 inches which would mean Kolek on the court is probably just under 6'3". He wouldn't have been an option round 2 if he didn't have some flaws/concerns.


Of course this is true and I'm not saying he's a bad pick at all. He was a great pick and the early returns are that he looks like a guy that will play in the league a long time. If he was big with long arms, he'd have been a lottery pick a year ago. He's an absolute grinder, too, which Thibs will absolutely love. He's a perfect fit and between adding him and Payne, the Knicks have more PG depth than they've had in my 40 years of fandom. We've come a long way from the shandon anderson, ramon sessions and elfrid paytons of the world.

I thought Hukporti was decent too. Legit size and moves pretty well. Good hands and showed some nice touch around the basket. Very raw.

Dadiet is really intriguing. Seems like a really high ceiling and low floor guy. Wide range of outcomes. Really interesting developmental challenge for the Knicks org.
From what I could see in his Summer League play, Dadiet is very raw  
Ira : 7/23/2024 9:31 am : link
and would benefit from a year in the G League.
RE: From what I could see in his Summer League play, Dadiet is very raw  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16557454 Ira said:
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and would benefit from a year in the G League.


That’s clearly the plan. He’s not going to play much if at all for Thibs this season.
RE: RE: From what I could see in his Summer League play, Dadiet is very raw  
Jan in DC : 7/23/2024 10:29 am : link
In comment 16557457 DanMetroMan said:
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and would benefit from a year in the G League.



That’s clearly the plan. He’s not going to play much if at all for Thibs this season.


Still shocked that he wasn't stashed. Maybe they see him as a high ceiling guy if he has a lot of NBA coaching.

Honestly, I feel like Rokas could help us more this year than Dadiet. But as soon as Cam Payne was signed, that basically meant Rokas wasn't getting a roster slot.
Lack of 1st Round Picks  
Pete44 : 7/23/2024 10:42 am : link
Knicks were smart, taking Dadiet is like taking a 1st rounder next year. He definitely has talent, needs to work on his shooting, his form is pretty good.

He seemed like a pretty good rebounder and passer, less raw than I thought. They could have a nice prospect as a 3 and D off the bench in the future.
^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 7/23/2024 10:44 am : link
Dadiet's defense is what impressed me most about him.
Dadiet is their high risk high reward draft pick  
nygiants16 : 7/23/2024 10:49 am : link
Kolek was their ready to play drsft pick..

Summer league is fun, you get some basketball to watch some young players but it is absolutely awful for evaluating talent. You get to many guys who think if they go out and score that they are going to get a team's attention.

Give me the guy who is playing in the flow, can shoot from 3, will play defense and rebound, i am not looking for a scorer in summer league
RE: Dadiet is their high risk high reward draft pick  
Jan in DC : 7/23/2024 10:58 am : link
In comment 16557517 nygiants16 said:
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Kolek was their ready to play drsft pick..

Summer league is fun, you get some basketball to watch some young players but it is absolutely awful for evaluating talent. You get to many guys who think if they go out and score that they are going to get a team's attention.

Give me the guy who is playing in the flow, can shoot from 3, will play defense and rebound, i am not looking for a scorer in summer league


All I read from your post is that you don't want to watch Duane Washington Jr. anymore.

I agree with that take.
My  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2024 11:07 am : link
assumption is Dadiet will shuttle back and forth, practice with the "big club" and play for Westchester. He's shown some intriguing tools but at the end of the day, pretty decent odds he's a chip they use to improve the team in-season.
RE: My  
Stu11 : 7/23/2024 12:05 pm : link
In comment 16557528 DanMetroMan said:
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assumption is Dadiet will shuttle back and forth, practice with the "big club" and play for Westchester. He's shown some intriguing tools but at the end of the day, pretty decent odds he's a chip they use to improve the team in-season.

Yeah keep in mind that the 2 big trades Ainge made 2 summers ago with Minny and Cleveland included the guys both teams drafted in the 1st rd a few months prior- Kessler and Ochai Agbaji. So maybe Dadier is a chip he'd like in a Kessler trade.
RE: Rokas  
DanMetroMan : 7/24/2024 8:33 am : link
In comment 16556930 DanMetroMan said:
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in advanced talks to play in Israel this season per Alessandro Maggi


Deal is done per Rokas himself
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DanMetroMan : 7/24/2024 12:06 pm : link
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In Bleacher Report's team-by-team grades for 2024 NBA Draft picks at Summer League, the Knicks' crop of three rookies received a C+.

"The Knicks have three players from the draft seeing action in Vegas, and two of them, including first-rounder Pacôme Dadiet, look like projects."

"Like plenty of others detailed so far, Kolek is missing too many shots, but he's looked like one of the best distributors in Vegas."
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