Kid is but he’s been impressive though these first few games. Kolek is absolutely going to be the backup PG for the Knicks. I doubted him pre draft but it looks like I was wrong on this one. He has a good handle on the ball and when he’s playing with the Knicks he’s going to flourish passing the ball.
is 6'4" and only took 24 3's in the G league last season (13 games) shooting 29%, 31% in college from 3. Not many players can get away with being that size without an outside shot.
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“Others are concerned about Randle going into this pivotal season with free agency looming and the challenges that may present. In addition, some decision-makers aren’t as bullish about the general fit of the current group.
This is from Begely, first time he has mentioned the thought of the Knicks moving Randle...
Randle and Mitch are definitely next up on the chopping block
I don't see how you replace Randle right now. There isn't another big on the roster with his combination of power and skill, other than OG but he already has his role, plus he's injured a lot.
Of course things could look different at the deadline, and they may not want to deal with Randle's free agency.
Kolek looks NBA ready, which is not to say ready to play major minutes.
Dadiet is a project, but that’s no surprise.
The two bigs look like camp invites and one may beat out Sims but neither is ready to be backup center on a good team.
Agree with those takes.
There's also McCullar, who hasn't played SL because he's still re-habbing, which also hurt him in the draft. Some projected him in Round 1 before the injury.
"While McCullar Jr. doesn’t project as a star at the NBA level he’s one of the more NBA ready players in the 2024 NBA draft and should be able to step in early in his career and contribute.
He’s a standout defender who can guard three positions and also plays really good team defense. He’s got good size and strength for a guard, although he isn’t an elite run/jump athlete.
He’s become a much better catch and shooter player and has really improved from downtown. Becoming a knockdown shooter will go a long way towards helping him have a long and successful NBA career.
Comparisons - Josh Hart
Draft Projection - late first to mid second round pick in the 2024 NBA Draft"
People know my opinion of Randle over the years. I was all for moving him when his value was high. We obviously didn't and now I see the dumbest trades out there on social media. I see garbage in return. I'd much rather have Randle this year and lose him for nothing than do most of these dumbass trades and not have him this year.
I forgot what player or ex-player said this but if you trade Randle, then what are you getting in return. He basically said it is odd to see a top player traded for another top player at the same position. I'm not saying it is impossible but it is weird. And then people keep bringing Mitch up. We have no real backups to these guy yet I see dumb shit like both of them, McBride, and someone else for KAT. Get the fuck out of here with that.
He won’t find a better basketball fit than the Knicks, but he may want more money than the Knicks are willing to give him. He’s also turning 30 and had shoulder and ankle surgeries over the past year, so that hurts his trade value too.
Katz was a little skeptical about the extension this summer too.
Yeah, that's the thing. There's JB, Cam and Kolek, not to mention Deuce if you consider him a PG (which I don't really).
I will say that while I have nothing against Burks personally - seems like a good guy - I am happy that he signed with another team. Him as PG was just not good.
that the Knicks were counting on McCullar for anything this season but the knee still being an issue in Mid-July after initially feeling pain in February... not great.
RE: RE: Rokas did look good this afternoon, but I don't see where he'll fit on
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had a report saying the Knicks checked in on Capela. Only two paths to make the money work there: Mitch trade or Randle trade. Both kinda suck for Capela unless we were able to get Jalen Johnson too. He's going to be really really good if he isn't already.
had a report saying the Knicks checked in on Capela. Only two paths to make the money work there: Mitch trade or Randle trade. Both kinda suck for Capela unless we were able to get Jalen Johnson too. He's going to be really really good if he isn't already.
Could use Precious sign and trade to make up the difference
think it's going to be Kessler and they're just waiting for the Lauri trade to get done first.
They are definitely working or waiting on something, it may end up being Precious but you wiukd think if they arent working on something Precious of signed already
that finish by Kolek for the first win seems to have set the tone for the next two games. He's a leader besides being a great passer and at least an OK shooter. His defense against real NBA PGs remains to be seen.
At C, Skap looked halfway decent. Kind of the same question as with Kolek - are his feet fast enough to play D in the NBA, against stretch 5s? Jury is out on that but he can rebound and has a little bit of an offensive game. Hukporti is sort of like early Mitch - rebounding and D, almost no offensive game.
Rokas looks good, looked better and better as SL went on. We are not shallow at PG at the moment - JB, Cam, Kolek, Rokas and Deuce if you consider him a PG. One of Cam, Deuce or Rokas could be trade bait.
Dadiet looked quite good on D, quite bad on O. But he's 18.
Baugh, who I never heard of before this SL, helped his cause and should at least stick in the G League. None of the other no-names really stood out. And i wouldn't mind never seeing D. Washington play as a Knick again. Nothing against him, but he's a chucker and that's not what we need.
Not to be cruel to Mitch but both summer league are showing
will br as important for this team as it was last year pre OG trade..
When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
This assumes Thibs will stop playing drop coverage. Not sure he will. Though he should. Precious is good in a non drop drop defense. Hope they bring him back.
will br as important for this team as it was last year pre OG trade..
When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
will br as important for this team as it was last year pre OG trade..
When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
I do not know if you are right or wrong, but if you are right I don't think either Skap or Hukporti is that guy. Also responding to Ira - that's what I would have said too, but was talking today to our son-in-law (he's a very good basketball player and at least a little connected) and he says the Knicks think Sims can be the backup C. Sims is certainly more athletic about doing what nyg16 says. I have all the same reservations as you about Sims, just saying what I hear.
the Summer League, I think it needs some work before he plays against nba defenders. And, speaking of defense, Kolek needs a ton of work there. While I think he has a future in the nba, he may need a year of seasoning before he sees serious action when the games start to count.
RE: Kolek is undersized but he's really skilled and is
probably already the best passer on the roster. I love a PG who keeps his head up and his dribble.
He's 6'3", 195. I don't think that's undersized for a guard. He is a great passer and I think he'll be a decent shooter. His foot speed on D against NBA guards is the question.
RE: RE: Kolek is undersized but he's really skilled and is
probably already the best passer on the roster. I love a PG who keeps his head up and his dribble.
He's 6'3", 195. I don't think that's undersized for a guard. He is a great passer and I think he'll be a decent shooter. His foot speed on D against NBA guards is the question.
I don't believe either of those numbers. He looks closer to 6'1". To me, it was striking how much smaller he looked than Rokas. I look forward to seeing him with the main squad. Either way, exciting player because the basketball smarts and hustle should absolutely play off the bench pretty quickly. Easy to imagine him as part of a bench unit with Hart that pushes the floor and finds layups and open 3s.
Like Brunson, he has short arms and he'll be a defensive liability in some matchups. But the Knicks have a switchy squad where they should be able to hide him somewhere defensively if it gets to be a problem.
but I always found it hysterical in the NBA when guys are measured with shoes on. Why do we care that he's 6'3" with shoes? As long as everyone is measured the same(no shoes), thats the only measurement that's needed.
On a side note, measuring from foot to head is dumb too. Do guys block shots with their heads? The measurement should be from foot to the top of their hands when they are raised over their heads.
whatever the reason, NBA.com didn't fill in measured heights with shoes from the combine (though it's a category on the page). I've seen differing information regarding how many inches the average player adds to their height with sneakers on but the most common answer I've found is about 1.5 inches which would mean Kolek on the court is probably just under 6'3". He wouldn't have been an option round 2 if he didn't have some flaws/concerns.
whatever the reason, NBA.com didn't fill in measured heights with shoes from the combine (though it's a category on the page). I've seen differing information regarding how many inches the average player adds to their height with sneakers on but the most common answer I've found is about 1.5 inches which would mean Kolek on the court is probably just under 6'3". He wouldn't have been an option round 2 if he didn't have some flaws/concerns.
Of course this is true and I'm not saying he's a bad pick at all. He was a great pick and the early returns are that he looks like a guy that will play in the league a long time. If he was big with long arms, he'd have been a lottery pick a year ago. He's an absolute grinder, too, which Thibs will absolutely love. He's a perfect fit and between adding him and Payne, the Knicks have more PG depth than they've had in my 40 years of fandom. We've come a long way from the shandon anderson, ramon sessions and elfrid paytons of the world.
I thought Hukporti was decent too. Legit size and moves pretty well. Good hands and showed some nice touch around the basket. Very raw.
Dadiet is really intriguing. Seems like a really high ceiling and low floor guy. Wide range of outcomes. Really interesting developmental challenge for the Knicks org.
From what I could see in his Summer League play, Dadiet is very raw
That’s clearly the plan. He’s not going to play much if at all for Thibs this season.
Still shocked that he wasn't stashed. Maybe they see him as a high ceiling guy if he has a lot of NBA coaching.
Honestly, I feel like Rokas could help us more this year than Dadiet. But as soon as Cam Payne was signed, that basically meant Rokas wasn't getting a roster slot.
Knicks were smart, taking Dadiet is like taking a 1st rounder next year. He definitely has talent, needs to work on his shooting, his form is pretty good.
He seemed like a pretty good rebounder and passer, less raw than I thought. They could have a nice prospect as a 3 and D off the bench in the future.
Summer league is fun, you get some basketball to watch some young players but it is absolutely awful for evaluating talent. You get to many guys who think if they go out and score that they are going to get a team's attention.
Give me the guy who is playing in the flow, can shoot from 3, will play defense and rebound, i am not looking for a scorer in summer league
RE: Dadiet is their high risk high reward draft pick
Summer league is fun, you get some basketball to watch some young players but it is absolutely awful for evaluating talent. You get to many guys who think if they go out and score that they are going to get a team's attention.
Give me the guy who is playing in the flow, can shoot from 3, will play defense and rebound, i am not looking for a scorer in summer league
All I read from your post is that you don't want to watch Duane Washington Jr. anymore.
assumption is Dadiet will shuttle back and forth, practice with the "big club" and play for Westchester. He's shown some intriguing tools but at the end of the day, pretty decent odds he's a chip they use to improve the team in-season.
assumption is Dadiet will shuttle back and forth, practice with the "big club" and play for Westchester. He's shown some intriguing tools but at the end of the day, pretty decent odds he's a chip they use to improve the team in-season.
Yeah keep in mind that the 2 big trades Ainge made 2 summers ago with Minny and Cleveland included the guys both teams drafted in the 1st rd a few months prior- Kessler and Ochai Agbaji. So maybe Dadier is a chip he'd like in a Kessler trade.
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In Bleacher Report's team-by-team grades for 2024 NBA Draft picks at Summer League, the Knicks' crop of three rookies received a C+.
"The Knicks have three players from the draft seeing action in Vegas, and two of them, including first-rounder Pacôme Dadiet, look like projects."
"Like plenty of others detailed so far, Kolek is missing too many shots, but he's looked like one of the best distributors in Vegas."
Probably G League material.
It’s time to move on from Toppin IMO. He’s awful and not getting any better.
Just took a bad shot at a big moment too. Selfish.
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Dadiet is a project, but that’s no surprise.
The two bigs look like camp invites and one may beat out Sims but neither is ready to be backup center on a good team.
Sore hip as reported.
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“Others are concerned about Randle going into this pivotal season with free agency looming and the challenges that may present. In addition, some decision-makers aren’t as bullish about the general fit of the current group.
This is from Begely, first time he has mentioned the thought of the Knicks moving Randle...
Of course things could look different at the deadline, and they may not want to deal with Randle's free agency.
Dadiet is a project, but that’s no surprise.
The two bigs look like camp invites and one may beat out Sims but neither is ready to be backup center on a good team.
Agree with those takes.
There's also McCullar, who hasn't played SL because he's still re-habbing, which also hurt him in the draft. Some projected him in Round 1 before the injury.
"While McCullar Jr. doesn’t project as a star at the NBA level he’s one of the more NBA ready players in the 2024 NBA draft and should be able to step in early in his career and contribute.
He’s a standout defender who can guard three positions and also plays really good team defense. He’s got good size and strength for a guard, although he isn’t an elite run/jump athlete.
He’s become a much better catch and shooter player and has really improved from downtown. Becoming a knockdown shooter will go a long way towards helping him have a long and successful NBA career.
Comparisons - Josh Hart
Draft Projection - late first to mid second round pick in the 2024 NBA Draft"
I forgot what player or ex-player said this but if you trade Randle, then what are you getting in return. He basically said it is odd to see a top player traded for another top player at the same position. I'm not saying it is impossible but it is weird. And then people keep bringing Mitch up. We have no real backups to these guy yet I see dumb shit like both of them, McBride, and someone else for KAT. Get the fuck out of here with that.
Katz was a little skeptical about the extension this summer too.
Yeah, that's the thing. There's JB, Cam and Kolek, not to mention Deuce if you consider him a PG (which I don't really).
I will say that while I have nothing against Burks personally - seems like a good guy - I am happy that he signed with another team. Him as PG was just not good.
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Wat has impressed me about Baugh is his defense,which has been very impressive. His offense,at least for a game,caught up to his D yesterday!
I agree. Maybe he has some trade value as a part of a package to get a backup Center
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I agree. Maybe he has some trade value as a part of a package to get a backup Center
That sounds like a good idea.
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Could use Precious sign and trade to make up the difference
They are definitely working or waiting on something, it may end up being Precious but you wiukd think if they arent working on something Precious of signed already
Their best 5 is
Curry
Tatum
Edward’s
James
Davis
Rokas with a sweet alley-oop to Hukporti
At C, Skap looked halfway decent. Kind of the same question as with Kolek - are his feet fast enough to play D in the NBA, against stretch 5s? Jury is out on that but he can rebound and has a little bit of an offensive game. Hukporti is sort of like early Mitch - rebounding and D, almost no offensive game.
Rokas looks good, looked better and better as SL went on. We are not shallow at PG at the moment - JB, Cam, Kolek, Rokas and Deuce if you consider him a PG. One of Cam, Deuce or Rokas could be trade bait.
Dadiet looked quite good on D, quite bad on O. But he's 18.
Baugh, who I never heard of before this SL, helped his cause and should at least stick in the G League. None of the other no-names really stood out. And i wouldn't mind never seeing D. Washington play as a Knick again. Nothing against him, but he's a chucker and that's not what we need.
When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
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When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
When you have the wing/perimiter defense the Knicks have shot blocking will not be as important having a more versatile Center who can switch and play out on the perimiter is more important IMO..
I do not know if you are right or wrong, but if you are right I don't think either Skap or Hukporti is that guy. Also responding to Ira - that's what I would have said too, but was talking today to our son-in-law (he's a very good basketball player and at least a little connected) and he says the Knicks think Sims can be the backup C. Sims is certainly more athletic about doing what nyg16 says. I have all the same reservations as you about Sims, just saying what I hear.
He's 6'3", 195. I don't think that's undersized for a guard. He is a great passer and I think he'll be a decent shooter. His foot speed on D against NBA guards is the question.
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probably already the best passer on the roster. I love a PG who keeps his head up and his dribble.
He's 6'3", 195. I don't think that's undersized for a guard. He is a great passer and I think he'll be a decent shooter. His foot speed on D against NBA guards is the question.
I don't believe either of those numbers. He looks closer to 6'1". To me, it was striking how much smaller he looked than Rokas. I look forward to seeing him with the main squad. Either way, exciting player because the basketball smarts and hustle should absolutely play off the bench pretty quickly. Easy to imagine him as part of a bench unit with Hart that pushes the floor and finds layups and open 3s.
Like Brunson, he has short arms and he'll be a defensive liability in some matchups. But the Knicks have a switchy squad where they should be able to hide him somewhere defensively if it gets to be a problem.
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On a side note, measuring from foot to head is dumb too. Do guys block shots with their heads? The measurement should be from foot to the top of their hands when they are raised over their heads.
Played 22 MPG last season; 83% of his 7.1 FGAs per game were 3 pointers and he made 42.4%.
Undrafted guy makes good. For the wrong team.
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Of course this is true and I'm not saying he's a bad pick at all. He was a great pick and the early returns are that he looks like a guy that will play in the league a long time. If he was big with long arms, he'd have been a lottery pick a year ago. He's an absolute grinder, too, which Thibs will absolutely love. He's a perfect fit and between adding him and Payne, the Knicks have more PG depth than they've had in my 40 years of fandom. We've come a long way from the shandon anderson, ramon sessions and elfrid paytons of the world.
I thought Hukporti was decent too. Legit size and moves pretty well. Good hands and showed some nice touch around the basket. Very raw.
Dadiet is really intriguing. Seems like a really high ceiling and low floor guy. Wide range of outcomes. Really interesting developmental challenge for the Knicks org.
That’s clearly the plan. He’s not going to play much if at all for Thibs this season.
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and would benefit from a year in the G League.
That’s clearly the plan. He’s not going to play much if at all for Thibs this season.
Still shocked that he wasn't stashed. Maybe they see him as a high ceiling guy if he has a lot of NBA coaching.
Honestly, I feel like Rokas could help us more this year than Dadiet. But as soon as Cam Payne was signed, that basically meant Rokas wasn't getting a roster slot.
He seemed like a pretty good rebounder and passer, less raw than I thought. They could have a nice prospect as a 3 and D off the bench in the future.
Summer league is fun, you get some basketball to watch some young players but it is absolutely awful for evaluating talent. You get to many guys who think if they go out and score that they are going to get a team's attention.
Give me the guy who is playing in the flow, can shoot from 3, will play defense and rebound, i am not looking for a scorer in summer league
Summer league is fun, you get some basketball to watch some young players but it is absolutely awful for evaluating talent. You get to many guys who think if they go out and score that they are going to get a team's attention.
Give me the guy who is playing in the flow, can shoot from 3, will play defense and rebound, i am not looking for a scorer in summer league
All I read from your post is that you don't want to watch Duane Washington Jr. anymore.
I agree with that take.
Yeah keep in mind that the 2 big trades Ainge made 2 summers ago with Minny and Cleveland included the guys both teams drafted in the 1st rd a few months prior- Kessler and Ochai Agbaji. So maybe Dadier is a chip he'd like in a Kessler trade.
Deal is done per Rokas himself
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In Bleacher Report's team-by-team grades for 2024 NBA Draft picks at Summer League, the Knicks' crop of three rookies received a C+.
"The Knicks have three players from the draft seeing action in Vegas, and two of them, including first-rounder Pacôme Dadiet, look like projects."
"Like plenty of others detailed so far, Kolek is missing too many shots, but he's looked like one of the best distributors in Vegas."