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Giants 2024 Positional Breakdown: Special Teams

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2024 9:47 am
Last in the offseason series...

Next stop, training camp...





Giants 2024 Positional Breakdown: Special Teams - ( New Window )
Here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2024 9:47 am : link
are the previous breakdowns...
New York Giants 2024 Positional Breakdowns - ( New Window )
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2024 9:54 am : link
Gotta give credit to the Scottish Hammer. I was down on him in ‘22, but he had a good ‘23 season.
I understand the value of a roster spot  
gersh : 7/18/2024 10:01 am : link
And the new kickoff rule changes things but...
I really like Gunner Olszewski and hope they can keep him.
It's been years since I've had that much confidence (peace of mind) with our Punt Returner
RE: I understand the value of a roster spot  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16555247 gersh said:
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And the new kickoff rule changes things but...
I really like Gunner Olszewski and hope they can keep him.
It's been years since I've had that much confidence (peace of mind) with our Punt Returner


A couple of things to keep in mind with Gunner. (1) He's a fumbler (11 career fumbles in limited playing time). (2) He doesn't offer any other value.

I could see him making it, but I'm guessing Daboll's history with McKenzie means something and he's also insurance if Wan'Dale gets hurt.
the guy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2024 10:09 am : link
who I may be underselling here is Bryce Ford-Wheaton. It may be between him and Boykin. Much depends on how Ford-Wheaton performs both as a WR and gunner. He supposedly looked sharp in the spring as a receiver.
If Gunner makes it.....I feel injury  
George from PA : 7/18/2024 11:49 am : link
Or disappointment from more talented players

Occured
RE: If Gunner makes it.....I feel injury  
JerseyCityJoe : 7/18/2024 11:54 am : link
In comment 16555366 George from PA said:
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Or disappointment from more talented players

Occured

Beautiful haiku.
As  
AcidTest : 7/18/2024 1:58 pm : link
you note, many of their ST decisions last year were baffling and infuriating, including cutting Crowder instead of Shepard, and using Gray and Shepard to return punts.

Gano's injury hurt, but I assume he's healthy now.

Agree that BFW is somewhat of a wild card. My recollection is that they gave him a large signing bonus as a UDFA last year.

Asante may be a guy they try and stash on the PS.
RE: As  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/18/2024 2:02 pm : link
In comment 16555464 AcidTest said:
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you note, many of their ST decisions last year were baffling and infuriating, including cutting Crowder instead of Shepard, and using Gray and Shepard to return punts.

Gano's injury hurt, but I assume he's healthy now.

Agree that BFW is somewhat of a wild card. My recollection is that they gave him a large signing bonus as a UDFA last year.

Asante may be a guy they try and stash on the PS.


Schoen actually took responsibility for the Crowder mess. But I don't know if he was also covering for others.
I've specifically been waiting  
Biteymax22 : 7/18/2024 4:32 pm : link
to see Tyrone Tracy return a kick under the new rules. This should be a fun change to the game.
RE: RE: I understand the value of a roster spot  
Pepe LePugh : 7/18/2024 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16555253 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16555247 gersh said:


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And the new kickoff rule changes things but...
I really like Gunner Olszewski and hope they can keep him.
It's been years since I've had that much confidence (peace of mind) with our Punt Returner



A couple of things to keep in mind with Gunner. (1) He's a fumbler (11 career fumbles in limited playing time). (2) He doesn't offer any other value.

I could see him making it, but I'm guessing Daboll's history with McKenzie means something and he's also insurance if Wan'Dale gets hurt.

Olszewski vs. McKenzie
Agree that Olszewski’s fumbles are an issue, and he is a one trick pony. But his 11.9 per PR, compared to 8.9 for McKenzie, is a significant difference, and last year showed the value of a legitimate returner. While he’s a long shot, I wouldn’t be shocked if he made the team, unless someone else shows comparable ability as PR.
I think it’ll come down to  
Simms11 : 7/18/2024 4:50 pm : link
which player, Gunner or McKenzie, is the better receiver. Both are capable PRs, but I think the discriminator will be how they play receiver, as well. I think McKenzie will have the edge there. Wonder who’s going to win the KO battle. I’d say Tracey or Miller and that’s going to be fun to see in pre-season as well.
Based on nothing but an interview  
aquidneck : 7/18/2024 5:53 pm : link
I saw a couple of months ago, I expect Ghobrial to make a difference. Guy seemed very detailed and had a plan for how he wanted to implement and teach.

Just a hunch, but I think he'll be a keeper. I think we got a young up-and-commer assistant here.
In the interviews  
Toth029 : 7/19/2024 10:27 am : link
With John Schmeelk, he talked with both Tyrone Tracy and Dante Miller and both kids said they would love to get an opportunity to return kicks. That change, this year anyway, is going to be very interesting and I'm happy Schoen brought in some reputable candidates and will be forced to make tough decisions on cut down day.
Special teams roster builds are going to be  
Blue Baas : 7/19/2024 10:55 am : link
different than we've ever seen before with the new kick off rules. No idea what to expect. There could be some guys who make it that we never expected.
RE: RE: As  
SirLoinOfBeef : 7/20/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16555470 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16555464 AcidTest said:


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you note, many of their ST decisions last year were baffling and infuriating, including cutting Crowder instead of Shepard, and using Gray and Shepard to return punts.

Gano's injury hurt, but I assume he's healthy now.

Agree that BFW is somewhat of a wild card. My recollection is that they gave him a large signing bonus as a UDFA last year.

Asante may be a guy they try and stash on the PS.



Schoen actually took responsibility for the Crowder mess. But I don't know if he was also covering for others.


They were never cutting Shepard.

He waves the towel on the sidelines.
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