that at times I come across as a Giants apologist and at other times a Giants basher...
However, what we have here is an author who has no clue about the reality of the New York Giants current situation.
Casual fans of the team think Barkley has been some sort of wonder weapon. He hasn't. "If the Giants lose Barkley, they have nothing."
They also don't want to understand or can't understand how the team is financially committed to Jones for one more year. That doesn't mean the team could not have drafted one of the second tier QBs in the draft, but not doing so is very much open to debate (which we have seen here for months).
If anything, as Rich Eisen and Tom Pelissero have already said, this show has done an awesome job of showing how decisions are made league-wide.
This guy wrote this piece because - right or wrong - he has preconceived notions of the value of Jones and Barkley.
Seriously, some people live in a fantasy land. Of course owners care about that sort of thing. Are we brain dead here?
That's fine and I don't disagree. However, it makes Schoen's job much more difficult. I'd imagine it made March of 2023 especially difficult for a young GM inheriting two players who Mara loves.
They are making football decisions DESPITE John Mara's misplaced concerns about Saquon. Emphasize the most critical positions. Invest in the OL - good OLs make lesser quartbacks and other skill positions look better than they are. Invest in DL/front 7 - good DLs make the lesser players in the secondary better.
And, there seem to be more of these pure football, GM decisions being made than the fan driven owner decisions.
As always, I am also, I hate to use the term but I can't think of a better word at the moment, worried whether the coaches hired, the players drafted, and the free agents signed will work out. I am rooting for success.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
Exactly…I haven’t understood why many don’t see that. The teams are in different places, they’re not apples to apples.
The Eagles have a lot of talent (although lost some on their OL and DL), and paying $13 million for Saquon in the hopes he pushes them over the top makes some sense
The Giants have so many needs everywhere that paying $13 million to a RB, with whom the offense has been horseshit the last few years anyway would have been foolish
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
I actually fully expect this. Barkley is going to look great in Philly. But a star RB is a luxury not a foundational piece. NYG absolutely made the right move in getting away from an offense built around a feature back and not tying up to much cap dollar into a low value position. This doesn't even account for the injury history plus age on Barkely specifically.
I think it reignited this belief in DJ from the FO and I'm starting to believe (watching the show) that Daboll/Schoen bought in as well, hence signing him to that deal.
IF they hadn't done that, dumping SB would make all the sense in the world. They would be Carolina - starting over.
I disagree in a way. Mara is getting slammed. This has put him out of hiding in the background which he has generally gotten away with for many years.
Here is Adam Schein calling Mara a buffoon. The best thing for the franchise I believe is getting this criticism out there.
Mara looks very poorly for using the term "popular" as a reason to keep Barkley. Link - ( New Window )
I disagree totally with this and actually think it makes Mara and the giants look better. Mara was being honest about SB being the most popular. This is still a business and that matters. There is also a strong personal connection there.
But even with that he let his GM make the smart call and let him walk. To me it’s impressive.
I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
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I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
You're only partially correct.
Mara doesn't look good.
But in the end, Schoen let Barkley go, which undermines your point.
GT takeaway is that Mara is the "real GM". Too funny. Literally we saw Schoen make the call directly against Mara's wishes. But hey, let's not let let the basic facts get in the way of our hate/biases.
Last year when Barkley was out. It doesn't always show up in his individual stats, but he does impact how defenses defend the Giants and makes things easier for the offense. Multiple players have said this.
Too many people are either overrating SB, or completely not recognizing the value that he added. That's why the team wanted him back, but were not going to overpay and not at the cost of being to address other areas. The back and forth discussions we see are essential part of the process. I don't aspect many to get that. Most just see the world as back and white. The team was 100% right to consider things, both sides, and ultimately made the right call.
Last year when Barkley was out. It doesn't always show up in his individual stats, but he does impact how defenses defend the Giants and makes things easier for the offense. Multiple players have said this.
Too many people are either overrating SB, or completely not recognizing the value that he added. That's why the team wanted him back, but were not going to overpay and not at the cost of being to address other areas. The back and forth discussions we see are essential part of the process. I don't aspect many to get that. Most just see the world as back and white. The team was 100% right to consider things, both sides, and ultimately made the right call.
Barkley only missed three games. The Giants offensive line was historically bad and the team had one of its worst scoring performances in team history.
It's pretty clear, in the modern NFL, paying a running back a big second contract is often proved to be a mistake. Both from a player wear and tear perspective, but also the fact that the rules offer advantages to passing teams.
People will point to CMC, but for every CMC, there are multiple Zeke Elliots.
I'd even say the Eagles would've been smarter to use the Barkley funds elsewhere on the roster - anyone they put behind the Oline seems to find success, and at a bargain price.
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I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
Sometimes you are full of crap. And on this you are full of crap. Mara wanted him back and so did McDonnell. No one else. And even Mara didn't fight too hard.
And I say this as someone who wanted Barkley gone, is that the league seems to agree more with Mara than Schoen.
Barkley had multiple offers and ultimately signed a pretty big deal with a team that many here are envious of when it comes to personnel decisions.
Barkley was not right for us as a player, but I don't understand how some of you don't get the fact that Mara, as owner, would have an interest in keeping around his best player and most popular player. He owns a football team AND running a business. That's a pretty heavy pull towards Barkley from his perspective and yet he still let Schoen make the call.
like the Giants let prime Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson walk. Barkley is NONE of those players.. not even close. Barkley thinks he is CMC.. he's not..
The Giants were BEYOND smart to move on because their team is NOT in a position to pay a running back big dollars..
He was willing again to pay him after 2023. Someone else just paid more.
who was that somebody else?
couldn't have been a guy considered to be the best gm in football who in the last 7 years accumulated 1 sb ring, 2 exec of the year wins, playoffs in 6/7, division wins in 3/7, hired 2 first time head coaches with career winning records - and all without an elite QB - could it?
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I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
like the Giants let prime Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson walk. Barkley is NONE of those players.. not even close. Barkley thinks he is CMC.. he's not..
The Giants were BEYOND smart to move on because their team is NOT in a position to pay a running back big dollars..
Not to mention, and maybe I'm nitpicking, but for a player who's been touched by god, he seemed to take himself out of the game often because he was gassed, or am I off on that?
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like the Giants let prime Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson walk. Barkley is NONE of those players.. not even close. Barkley thinks he is CMC.. he's not..
The Giants were BEYOND smart to move on because their team is NOT in a position to pay a running back big dollars..
Nice view behind the scenes, to me JS come off looking the way a GM should - decisions aren't personal, its a business and $$ needs to be allocated appropriately. Mara & Timmy were cringeworthy. I think JS has learned not to let Mara influence his decisions so much, if he gets fired, go down doing things the way he thinks they should be done.
SB was a luxury that some teams could afford, but not the Giants with so many holes to fill. The right approach in my opinion, especially if we want to go to a more downfield passing oriented offense.
He was willing again to pay him after 2023. Someone else just paid more.
So maybe the takeaway is that Barkley is worth more in the eyes of NFL talent evaluators and executives than he is in the eyes of most here?
Barkley still has plenty of talent and he is the correct player for teams looking for that final piece. For $12.5 mill and $26 gtd, he was not what the Giants needed at this time.
At this point in time, for about the same money they got Runyon. It can could be argued the Runyon will do more for the Giants than Barkley would, right now.
Nice view behind the scenes, to me JS come off looking the way a GM should - decisions aren't personal, its a business and $$ needs to be allocated appropriately. Mara & Timmy were cringeworthy. I think JS has learned not to let Mara influence his decisions so much, if he gets fired, go down doing things the way he thinks they should be done.
SB was a luxury that some teams could afford, but not the Giants with so many holes to fill. The right approach in my opinion, especially if we want to go to a more downfield passing oriented offense.
How can you have a downfield offense, with a QB that can't get the ball down field?
everyone giving Mara a hard time, must have missed Morgan telling Schoen that he had to speak with Tepper about the Burns trade. Unfortunately, GMs don't have carte blanche on decision making when it comes to popular/talented players being moved
As with many things, I think a lot of one's opinions may be largely formed by their expectations going into this.
I didn't really have any expectations so I don't really have any strong opinions on what I've seen so far.
Also, since this is the first time this was done, we have no other teams to compare the Giants to.
I do think this will probably be the last time NFL Films/HBO does this, largely because of all the heat the Giants seem to be taking thus far.
I don't think any other team will want any part of it.
In the end, all that matters are the results of these decisions (obviously), not how they came to them or the comments made while making them, body language or any other highly subjective things.
Nice view behind the scenes, to me JS come off looking the way a GM should - decisions aren't personal, its a business and $$ needs to be allocated appropriately. Mara & Timmy were cringeworthy. I think JS has learned not to let Mara influence his decisions so much, if he gets fired, go down doing things the way he thinks they should be done.
SB was a luxury that some teams could afford, but not the Giants with so many holes to fill. The right approach in my opinion, especially if we want to go to a more downfield passing oriented offense.
How can you have a downfield offense, with a QB that can't get the ball down field?
There is a huge difference between being able to get the ball downfield and being unwilling. Jones can get the ball downfield, but will he try?
I have only seen clips and read stuff here, so my input is limited
From what I gathered, the Giants don't look stupid for the decision to not pay Barkley. But, they do look bad for how it was handled and progressed.
As Eric said, Barkley may have a great season behind the Philly OL (there are some questions there this year, though) and their offense overall and yet still be the wise choice by the Giants.
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If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
I did not want to believe this - but I think you're right.
This has been the overwhelming negative take away I've gotten from the show.
I wanted to believe that there was a faction in the FO between Schoen/Browner/Daboll (the new guys) and the old guys Abrams/ol'Timmy/Chris Mara (Jints Central) on DJ and that the contract w/ the out after this year was the compromise....
They are wrong
Sounds like it Sean, at least from that article.
How so?
I disagree in a way. Mara is getting slammed. This has put him out of hiding in the background which he has generally gotten away with for many years.
Here is Adam Schein calling Mara a buffoon. The best thing for the franchise I believe is getting this criticism out there.
Mara looks very poorly for using the term "popular" as a reason to keep Barkley.
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However, what we have here is an author who has no clue about the reality of the New York Giants current situation.
Casual fans of the team think Barkley has been some sort of wonder weapon. He hasn't. "If the Giants lose Barkley, they have nothing."
They also don't want to understand or can't understand how the team is financially committed to Jones for one more year. That doesn't mean the team could not have drafted one of the second tier QBs in the draft, but not doing so is very much open to debate (which we have seen here for months).
If anything, as Rich Eisen and Tom Pelissero have already said, this show has done an awesome job of showing how decisions are made league-wide.
This guy wrote this piece because - right or wrong - he has preconceived notions of the value of Jones and Barkley.
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I disagree in a way. Mara is getting slammed. This has put him out of hiding in the background which he has generally gotten away with for many years.
Here is Adam Schein calling Mara a buffoon. The best thing for the franchise I believe is getting this criticism out there.
Mara looks very poorly for using the term "popular" as a reason to keep Barkley. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for sharing.
Yes, terrible stuff we saw here!
Giants were open to keeping Saquan, but at the right prices. What a bunch of idiots!
Seriously, some people live in a fantasy land. Of course owners care about that sort of thing. Are we brain dead here?
Seriously, some people live in a fantasy land. Of course owners care about that sort of thing. Are we brain dead here?
That's fine and I don't disagree. However, it makes Schoen's job much more difficult. I'd imagine it made March of 2023 especially difficult for a young GM inheriting two players who Mara loves.
And, there seem to be more of these pure football, GM decisions being made than the fan driven owner decisions.
As always, I am also, I hate to use the term but I can't think of a better word at the moment, worried whether the coaches hired, the players drafted, and the free agents signed will work out. I am rooting for success.
Depends.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
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Depends.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
Exactly…I haven’t understood why many don’t see that. The teams are in different places, they’re not apples to apples.
The Eagles have a lot of talent (although lost some on their OL and DL), and paying $13 million for Saquon in the hopes he pushes them over the top makes some sense
The Giants have so many needs everywhere that paying $13 million to a RB, with whom the offense has been horseshit the last few years anyway would have been foolish
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Depends.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
I actually fully expect this. Barkley is going to look great in Philly. But a star RB is a luxury not a foundational piece. NYG absolutely made the right move in getting away from an offense built around a feature back and not tying up to much cap dollar into a low value position. This doesn't even account for the injury history plus age on Barkely specifically.
I think it reignited this belief in DJ from the FO and I'm starting to believe (watching the show) that Daboll/Schoen bought in as well, hence signing him to that deal.
IF they hadn't done that, dumping SB would make all the sense in the world. They would be Carolina - starting over.
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I disagree in a way. Mara is getting slammed. This has put him out of hiding in the background which he has generally gotten away with for many years.
Here is Adam Schein calling Mara a buffoon. The best thing for the franchise I believe is getting this criticism out there.
Mara looks very poorly for using the term "popular" as a reason to keep Barkley. Link - ( New Window )
I disagree totally with this and actually think it makes Mara and the giants look better. Mara was being honest about SB being the most popular. This is still a business and that matters. There is also a strong personal connection there.
But even with that he let his GM make the smart call and let him walk. To me it’s impressive.
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How so?
I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
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How so?
I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
You're only partially correct.
Mara doesn't look good.
But in the end, Schoen let Barkley go, which undermines your point.
Good thing the Mara minions are there to question things on behalf of ownership ALL the time.
Too many people are either overrating SB, or completely not recognizing the value that he added. That's why the team wanted him back, but were not going to overpay and not at the cost of being to address other areas. The back and forth discussions we see are essential part of the process. I don't aspect many to get that. Most just see the world as back and white. The team was 100% right to consider things, both sides, and ultimately made the right call.
Too many people are either overrating SB, or completely not recognizing the value that he added. That's why the team wanted him back, but were not going to overpay and not at the cost of being to address other areas. The back and forth discussions we see are essential part of the process. I don't aspect many to get that. Most just see the world as back and white. The team was 100% right to consider things, both sides, and ultimately made the right call.
Barkley only missed three games. The Giants offensive line was historically bad and the team had one of its worst scoring performances in team history.
If anything, the results hurt Barkley's value.
It's pretty clear, in the modern NFL, paying a running back a big second contract is often proved to be a mistake. Both from a player wear and tear perspective, but also the fact that the rules offer advantages to passing teams.
People will point to CMC, but for every CMC, there are multiple Zeke Elliots.
I'd even say the Eagles would've been smarter to use the Barkley funds elsewhere on the roster - anyone they put behind the Oline seems to find success, and at a bargain price.
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How so?
I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
Sometimes you are full of crap. And on this you are full of crap. Mara wanted him back and so did McDonnell. No one else. And even Mara didn't fight too hard.
Stop getting wrapped up in your own narrative.
Barkley had multiple offers and ultimately signed a pretty big deal with a team that many here are envious of when it comes to personnel decisions.
Barkley was not right for us as a player, but I don't understand how some of you don't get the fact that Mara, as owner, would have an interest in keeping around his best player and most popular player. He owns a football team AND running a business. That's a pretty heavy pull towards Barkley from his perspective and yet he still let Schoen make the call.
So maybe the takeaway is that Barkley is worth more in the eyes of NFL talent evaluators and executives than he is in the eyes of most here?
The Giants were BEYOND smart to move on because their team is NOT in a position to pay a running back big dollars..
who was that somebody else?
couldn't have been a guy considered to be the best gm in football who in the last 7 years accumulated 1 sb ring, 2 exec of the year wins, playoffs in 6/7, division wins in 3/7, hired 2 first time head coaches with career winning records - and all without an elite QB - could it?
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How so?
I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
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He was willing again to pay him after 2023. Someone else just paid more.
So maybe the takeaway is that Barkley is worth more in the eyes of NFL talent evaluators and executives than he is in the eyes of most here?
How many horrible mistakes do we have to see NFL talent evaluators and executive make before we stop appealing to authority?
The Giants were BEYOND smart to move on because their team is NOT in a position to pay a running back big dollars..
Not to mention, and maybe I'm nitpicking, but for a player who's been touched by god, he seemed to take himself out of the game often because he was gassed, or am I off on that?
If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
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He was willing again to pay him after 2023. Someone else just paid more.
So maybe the takeaway is that Barkley is worth more in the eyes of NFL talent evaluators and executives than he is in the eyes of most here?
How many horrible mistakes do we have to see NFL talent evaluators and executive make before we stop appealing to authority?
I'm not arguing we should have kept him fyi. Just saying, I dunno what to think anymore.
Good thing the Mara minions are there to question things on behalf of ownership ALL the time.
Yup. The nephew has been there for one reason from the get go.
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He was willing again to pay him after 2023. Someone else just paid more.
So maybe the takeaway is that Barkley is worth more in the eyes of NFL talent evaluators and executives than he is in the eyes of most here?
How many horrible mistakes do we have to see NFL talent evaluators and executive make before we stop appealing to authority?
that howie roseman, wish nyg had a roster full of horrible mistakes like his.
The Giants were BEYOND smart to move on because their team is NOT in a position to pay a running back big dollars..
+1
SB was a luxury that some teams could afford, but not the Giants with so many holes to fill. The right approach in my opinion, especially if we want to go to a more downfield passing oriented offense.
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He was willing again to pay him after 2023. Someone else just paid more.
So maybe the takeaway is that Barkley is worth more in the eyes of NFL talent evaluators and executives than he is in the eyes of most here?
Barkley still has plenty of talent and he is the correct player for teams looking for that final piece. For $12.5 mill and $26 gtd, he was not what the Giants needed at this time.
At this point in time, for about the same money they got Runyon. It can could be argued the Runyon will do more for the Giants than Barkley would, right now.
SB was a luxury that some teams could afford, but not the Giants with so many holes to fill. The right approach in my opinion, especially if we want to go to a more downfield passing oriented offense.
How can you have a downfield offense, with a QB that can't get the ball down field?
I didn't really have any expectations so I don't really have any strong opinions on what I've seen so far.
Also, since this is the first time this was done, we have no other teams to compare the Giants to.
I do think this will probably be the last time NFL Films/HBO does this, largely because of all the heat the Giants seem to be taking thus far.
I don't think any other team will want any part of it.
In the end, all that matters are the results of these decisions (obviously), not how they came to them or the comments made while making them, body language or any other highly subjective things.
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Nice view behind the scenes, to me JS come off looking the way a GM should - decisions aren't personal, its a business and $$ needs to be allocated appropriately. Mara & Timmy were cringeworthy. I think JS has learned not to let Mara influence his decisions so much, if he gets fired, go down doing things the way he thinks they should be done.
SB was a luxury that some teams could afford, but not the Giants with so many holes to fill. The right approach in my opinion, especially if we want to go to a more downfield passing oriented offense.
How can you have a downfield offense, with a QB that can't get the ball down field?
There is a huge difference between being able to get the ball downfield and being unwilling. Jones can get the ball downfield, but will he try?
As Eric said, Barkley may have a great season behind the Philly OL (there are some questions there this year, though) and their offense overall and yet still be the wise choice by the Giants.
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If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
I did not want to believe this - but I think you're right.
This has been the overwhelming negative take away I've gotten from the show.
I wanted to believe that there was a faction in the FO between Schoen/Browner/Daboll (the new guys) and the old guys Abrams/ol'Timmy/Chris Mara (Jints Central) on DJ and that the contract w/ the out after this year was the compromise....
Sadly, I think I was wrong.