I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
I think they have confidence in Jones, but they aren't digging their heels in. I think it's clear they aren't/weren't afraid to try and make an upgrade, but if it wasn't there for them, they wouldn't force it. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Seeing $40M continually referenced by Schoen struck me as odd. Almost like, "see, I didn't want to pay him that." They have been pretty open about wanting to move up. Daboll saying he'd move up for Daniels. Mara talking about having palpitations if they make this deal.
People hear what they want to hear, but I don't get the sense they love Jones. Both Rico & Woodstock have said as much.
RE: I get the sense Daboll & Schoen aren't in on Jones
Seeing $40M continually referenced by Schoen struck me as odd. Almost like, "see, I didn't want to pay him that." They have been pretty open about wanting to move up. Daboll saying he'd move up for Daniels. Mara talking about having palpitations if they make this deal.
People hear what they want to hear, but I don't get the sense they love Jones. Both Rico & Woodstock have said as much.
I don't see how anyone watching this comes away with the impression that they think they are "set" at QB. If anything, it has thus far confirmed they are looking for an upgrade. (You don't use a top 4 pick on an insurance policy). That said, I suspect what bugs Go Terps is that given the inability to trade up, they didn't "settle" (my choice of word) for one of the other three lesser QBs.
- Schoen didn't really want Barkley back.
- Mara did, but let Schoen make the decision.
- We've only seen the real Daboll at the Combine and that was impressive.
- Lock is not here to compete with Jones.
- The Giants were serious about upgrading at QB.
- Daboll does love Nabers.
- There is definitely a Mara/McDonnell faction that appears to have to be managed.
- There are a lot of voices in the room, and some who we have not given enough credit to.
Seeing $40M continually referenced by Schoen struck me as odd. Almost like, "see, I didn't want to pay him that." They have been pretty open about wanting to move up. Daboll saying he'd move up for Daniels. Mara talking about having palpitations if they make this deal.
People hear what they want to hear, but I don't get the sense they love Jones. Both Rico & Woodstock have said as much.
I don't see how anyone watching this comes away with the impression that they think they are "set" at QB. If anything, it has thus far confirmed they are looking for an upgrade. (You don't use a top 4 pick on an insurance policy). That said, I suspect what bugs Go Terps is that given the inability to trade up, they didn't "settle" (my choice of word) for one of the other three lesser QBs.
We don't know how they felt about the other QBs because they haven't shown us anything on them. There's also no discussion about taking a QB later in the draft. What struck me is that Daboll said he'd like Taylor back in order to have the same QB room as last year. Also, Lock was clearly referred to as the backup more than once. There is no route to the starter job for him past a healthy Jones.
The while this feels to me like they view 2023 as an injury-riddled anomaly, not as a sign of a larger issue.
Schoen states as an argument for letting SB go that they needed funds to be allocated to the OL and "we're paying the 40 million dollars a year, we gotta find out if he's the guy"...
The Giants have done plenty to embarrass themselves on the field the last 10 years. They've won the 3rd fewest games of any team over that time period.
How the season plays out will determine whether their decisions documented on Hard Knocks embarrasses them.
If Daniel Jones flounders and gets hurt, they can't run the football, and Brian Burns puts in a nice but unremarkable season like he did in 2023 -- the Giants will probably lose a bunch and be embarrassed.
Schoen states as an argument for letting SB go that they needed funds to be allocated to the OL and "we're paying the 40 million dollars a year, we gotta find out if he's the guy"...
I literally cringed.
"We finally have to show the owner he's not the guy."
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
Well put. I believe that Barkley is likely to have a great year if healthy. JS will get beat up by the press. Unfair because nobody with the Giants was saying he was "done". They just prioritized the OL and pass rush and thus could not afford to sign him. I believe it was the right call even if Barkley does well for the next three years. There is no guarantee he would have done that with the Giants if the OL was not fixed. If he gets hurt or loses effectiveness then it is a great move by JS.
Schoen states as an argument for letting SB go that they needed funds to be allocated to the OL and "we're paying the 40 million dollars a year, we gotta find out if he's the guy"...
I literally cringed.
This was indeed embarrassing. Not knowing if "our quarterback can sling it" after giving him the largest contract in franchise history is dumb enough to do, even dumber to say out loud on HardKnocks...
See, I got a different feel from that. To me, it was Daboll questioning that they'd have the same QB room.
Want Daboll the guy initially saying he wanted Taylor back?
That's true. I just don't get the sense at all that Daboll likes Jones. I obviously could be very wrong.
Dabs went from driving a Porsche to a Buick.
When the best you can come up with is -- well it's not actually that expensive, when it's not in the shop you can prorate that it does the job, or what Porsche was available when we were Shopping -- easy to be disappointed.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
Well put. I believe that Barkley is likely to have a great year if healthy. JS will get beat up by the press. Unfair because nobody with the Giants was saying he was "done". They just prioritized the OL and pass rush and thus could not afford to sign him. I believe it was the right call even if Barkley does well for the next three years. There is no guarantee he would have done that with the Giants if the OL was not fixed. If he gets hurt or loses effectiveness then it is a great move by JS.
Yeah - it's true that if this comes to fruition JS will get hammered by the press...the real question is - will it cost him his job.
Three things can actually be right at the same time - 1.) SB kills it with the Eagles 2.) The Giants made right move to let him walk 3.) it still costs JS/BD their jobs because the Giants offense with DJ at the helm and minus SB is NOT good and they don't win games AND the ownership group is pist about it.
I don't see him bringing up $40M multiple times. It came off to me as being annoyed he's paying a guy he didn't initially believe in this money. Does that indicate he felt pressure to lock him up? Maybe.
Schoen (and Daboll) both said a bunch of dumb shit at the Combine regarding how the Giants scout QBs and how hard it is to play in NY. Also, one of the scouts said something about Maye sounding like Daniel.
I guess it's ok to want "dawgs" at WR, but the QB has to sound like Bob Dole.
but I mostly feel like watching it only further reduces my confidence in the men running the franchise, as well as my expectations while they're in charge. It also feels like a much younger mentality on display, so get off my lawn.
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Seriously, some people live in a fantasy land. Of course owners care about that sort of thing. Are we brain dead here? ///
That's fine and I don't disagree. However, it makes Schoen's job much more difficult. I'd imagine it made March of 2023 especially difficult for a young GM inheriting two players who Mara loves.
Sean, this can't be stated enough, to the point of overstating. Shecky's post (HK 2) was spot on in terms of timing of SB vs DJ, tag or deal. What made it more difficult for Schoen was that Mara had his thumb on the scales for both players and their agents.
It should be clear by now that JS is not now and was not then a big proponent of giving SB a big payday. But his 'holdout' on his $$, forcing the pivot to the DJ contract had to be galling, thus the frequent sardonic references to the $40mm, facilitated by Mara and SB.
The way people are making this out to seem just doesn't make sense to me. We weren't good with him, we're doing the right thing by trying a different strategy.
Not once did find a single element of the show embarrassing or unflattering to any NYG front office figures.
I swear people have way too much fucking time on their hands. The media is actually analyzing this shit? It's a fucking tv show.
Carry on.
Yeah, you can nitpick here and there (it's what we do now), but nothing has come off as "wow, WTF?" And I would actually say that at times this is making the team look really good.
Who the fuck cares what Mara said? They let him walk.
Also, Barkley was popular. He was a productive player here. Eagles think so too. Mara was just being honest WTF is wrong with that? Nothing that's what.
Who the fuck cares what Mara said? They let him walk.
Also, Barkley was popular. He was a productive player here. Eagles think so too. Mara was just being honest WTF is wrong with that? Nothing that's what.
They got outbid for Barkley. They didn't "let him walk". They wanted him back, and the talk surrounding him was that of a much better player than he actually is.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: They're not doing themselves any favors
If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
They tried to move up in the draft to take the QB you continue to scream about. Can you at least acknowledge this fact even if you think they should have pivoted off the missed trade up and drafted ANY other QB in round 1? You seem to gloss over the facts and push your same take time and time again. Virtually every source under the sun has stated that the Giants tried to trade up to 3 for the QB.
Or, insist on saying they have their QB and must now pay for it with their lives if they don't go 11-6 while throwing for the end all be all 30 TDs. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
so all I will say is that in the edited video I have not been impressed with Schoen. I don't really find him to have really insightful thoughts about team building and strategy, but that is not a judgment that I would stand by because I have no idea what he is saying in other scenes that I am sure met the cutting room floor because the Giants exercised some control over what could be used. All we could do is base our opinion off of edited footage and know that the truth could be something else.
The one thing I will say is that the actions by Schoen with regard to
Barkley I think was the correct one and I did take some comfort in knowing that he would not do it even though his owner kind of wanted him to do so. Any time you go against the wish of your boss and let your best/most popular player go to your rival that is a gutsy move.
I do not believe the Front Office is embarrassing themselves
While I have nothing else to compare it to, in terms of NFL teams insider operations, what I see, seems more than competent, I think they seem like they really know what they are doing and are functioning very well.
Anyone who disagrees with that, has unreasonable expectations or just doesn't get the Giants' situation, nor their plan of execution.
Who the fuck cares what Mara said? They let him walk.
Also, Barkley was popular. He was a productive player here. Eagles think so too. Mara was just being honest WTF is wrong with that? Nothing that's what.
They got outbid for Barkley. They didn't "let him walk". They wanted him back, and the talk surrounding him was that of a much better player than he actually is.
Ok. That's embarrassing? Not from Philly's POV I guess.
So many things to get mad at with this team. Letting Barkley walk, something YOU advocated for, isn't one of them yet here we are..."EMBARRASSING!!" And why? Because the GM said "come back to us with the offer"
Hard to read much into any of this crap but I tend to agree. And again, follow the actions not the words. Barkley left. As far as I am concerned both parties wanted to part ways and how do I come to this conclusion? They aren't together anymore!
I don't think they are embarrassing themselves at all.
And I am definitely happy to get the behind the scenes glimpse of how it all works - and they function very much the same as many of the other companies I've ever worked for or worked with...
I don't see him bringing up $40M multiple times. It came off to me as being annoyed he's paying a guy he didn't initially believe in this money. Does that indicate he felt pressure to lock him up? Maybe.
And let's face it, they were hired precisely because they convinced Mara that they could make it work with DJ as the centerpiece of the offense. When Daboll schemed his magic in 2022, Mara declared that the Giants were back because of DJ, thereby justifying the idiotic decision to draft him in the first place, and naturally had to follow through with that hideously back breaking contract.
Having watched three episodes now and seeing the virtual eyes rolling from both of them (Schoen's "can he sling it?" and Daboll's "you mean it will be the same quarterback room again!?!") there isn't a doubt in my mind now that Schoen and Daboll can't move on from DJ soon enough.
Why in God's name would SB want to come back? He carried this team without any semblance of an offense whatsoever during his entire tenure here! Yes he hasn't done well consistently. But who could with DJ at quarterback, a mishmash of mediocre receivers and a resolutely horrid offensive line? Barkley is now the centerpiece of an elite offense featuring an excellent quarterback and offensive line as well as playmakers who are arguably his equal at their respective positions. Barring injury, he will be the NFL all pro running back this year. And then he will have a legitimate chance at a real ring of honor - a super bowl ring.
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How so?
I think their fawning over Barkley is embarrassing. I keep feeling like I'm watching Arrested Development and they're talking about Ann.
"Him?"
They talk about him like he's Tyreek Hill or some other difference-making non-QB. He never was. All three episodes I felt like I was being gaslit.
That he saved them from themselves and went to Philly doesn't make them any less dumb for wanting to pay him.
Mara just confirms what many of us thought: he doesn't get modern football and the big decisions absolutely end with him. Seeing Schoen tell Barkley's agent "This one goes above me" and then immediately calling Mara tells you all you need to know about who the real GM is. Mara was also in the room when they discussed signing Lock - and that was after hearing Schoen and Daboll spout bullshit about NY being tougher on QBs than other places. And finally, hearing Schoen say "We either draft a QB or get a weapon for Daniel"...what kind of approach is that to the position? You either have a QB or you don't.
I know these guys don't sound as utterly stupid as Gettleman, but I'm not sure how much better off we are.
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How so?
I dunno, the focus of this week is basically a no confidence vote by our FO about our QB for starters.
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If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
I think they have confidence in Jones, but they aren't digging their heels in. I think it's clear they aren't/weren't afraid to try and make an upgrade, but if it wasn't there for them, they wouldn't force it. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Like, most.
People hear what they want to hear, but I don't get the sense they love Jones. Both Rico & Woodstock have said as much.
People hear what they want to hear, but I don't get the sense they love Jones. Both Rico & Woodstock have said as much.
I don't see how anyone watching this comes away with the impression that they think they are "set" at QB. If anything, it has thus far confirmed they are looking for an upgrade. (You don't use a top 4 pick on an insurance policy). That said, I suspect what bugs Go Terps is that given the inability to trade up, they didn't "settle" (my choice of word) for one of the other three lesser QBs.
- Schoen didn't really want Barkley back.
- Mara did, but let Schoen make the decision.
- We've only seen the real Daboll at the Combine and that was impressive.
- Lock is not here to compete with Jones.
- The Giants were serious about upgrading at QB.
- Daboll does love Nabers.
- There is definitely a Mara/McDonnell faction that appears to have to be managed.
- There are a lot of voices in the room, and some who we have not given enough credit to.
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Seeing $40M continually referenced by Schoen struck me as odd. Almost like, "see, I didn't want to pay him that." They have been pretty open about wanting to move up. Daboll saying he'd move up for Daniels. Mara talking about having palpitations if they make this deal.
People hear what they want to hear, but I don't get the sense they love Jones. Both Rico & Woodstock have said as much.
I don't see how anyone watching this comes away with the impression that they think they are "set" at QB. If anything, it has thus far confirmed they are looking for an upgrade. (You don't use a top 4 pick on an insurance policy). That said, I suspect what bugs Go Terps is that given the inability to trade up, they didn't "settle" (my choice of word) for one of the other three lesser QBs.
We don't know how they felt about the other QBs because they haven't shown us anything on them. There's also no discussion about taking a QB later in the draft. What struck me is that Daboll said he'd like Taylor back in order to have the same QB room as last year. Also, Lock was clearly referred to as the backup more than once. There is no route to the starter job for him past a healthy Jones.
The while this feels to me like they view 2023 as an injury-riddled anomaly, not as a sign of a larger issue.
I literally cringed.
How the season plays out will determine whether their decisions documented on Hard Knocks embarrasses them.
If Daniel Jones flounders and gets hurt, they can't run the football, and Brian Burns puts in a nice but unremarkable season like he did in 2023 -- the Giants will probably lose a bunch and be embarrassed.
Want Daboll the guy initially saying he wanted Taylor back?
I literally cringed.
"We finally have to show the owner he's not the guy."
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See, I got a different feel from that. To me, it was Daboll questioning that they'd have the same QB room.
Want Daboll the guy initially saying he wanted Taylor back?
That's true. I just don't get the sense at all that Daboll likes Jones. I obviously could be very wrong.
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Mara hasn’t done himself any favors.
Depends.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
Well put. I believe that Barkley is likely to have a great year if healthy. JS will get beat up by the press. Unfair because nobody with the Giants was saying he was "done". They just prioritized the OL and pass rush and thus could not afford to sign him. I believe it was the right call even if Barkley does well for the next three years. There is no guarantee he would have done that with the Giants if the OL was not fixed. If he gets hurt or loses effectiveness then it is a great move by JS.
I literally cringed.
This was indeed embarrassing. Not knowing if "our quarterback can sling it" after giving him the largest contract in franchise history is dumb enough to do, even dumber to say out loud on HardKnocks...
Want Daboll the guy initially saying he wanted Taylor back?
That's true. I just don't get the sense at all that Daboll likes Jones. I obviously could be very wrong.
Dabs went from driving a Porsche to a Buick.
When the best you can come up with is -- well it's not actually that expensive, when it's not in the shop you can prorate that it does the job, or what Porsche was available when we were Shopping -- easy to be disappointed.
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Mara hasn’t done himself any favors.
Depends.
As I've said a number of times, I expect Barkley to put up big numbers behind the OL in Philly and with those surrounding weapons (let's be honest, the Eagles are loaded at the skill positions... teams can't focus on Barkley).
However, two things can be correct... that Barkley looks great on the Eagles and the Giants made the right move not paying him. There are those who won't agree with that.
Well put. I believe that Barkley is likely to have a great year if healthy. JS will get beat up by the press. Unfair because nobody with the Giants was saying he was "done". They just prioritized the OL and pass rush and thus could not afford to sign him. I believe it was the right call even if Barkley does well for the next three years. There is no guarantee he would have done that with the Giants if the OL was not fixed. If he gets hurt or loses effectiveness then it is a great move by JS.
Yeah - it's true that if this comes to fruition JS will get hammered by the press...the real question is - will it cost him his job.
Three things can actually be right at the same time - 1.) SB kills it with the Eagles 2.) The Giants made right move to let him walk 3.) it still costs JS/BD their jobs because the Giants offense with DJ at the helm and minus SB is NOT good and they don't win games AND the ownership group is pist about it.
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See, I got a different feel from that. To me, it was Daboll questioning that they'd have the same QB room.
Want Daboll the guy initially saying he wanted Taylor back?
That's true. I just don't get the sense at all that Daboll likes Jones. I obviously could be very wrong.
I don't think Daboll likes Jones either. Why would he?
I just don't think it matters organizationally. That decision is miles above the head coach.
I guess it's ok to want "dawgs" at WR, but the QB has to sound like Bob Dole.
Giants never on Hard Knocks, incessant complaining
Giants on Hard Knocks, incessant complaining
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Seriously, some people live in a fantasy land. Of course owners care about that sort of thing. Are we brain dead here? ///
That's fine and I don't disagree. However, it makes Schoen's job much more difficult. I'd imagine it made March of 2023 especially difficult for a young GM inheriting two players who Mara loves.
Sean, this can't be stated enough, to the point of overstating. Shecky's post (HK 2) was spot on in terms of timing of SB vs DJ, tag or deal. What made it more difficult for Schoen was that Mara had his thumb on the scales for both players and their agents.
It should be clear by now that JS is not now and was not then a big proponent of giving SB a big payday. But his 'holdout' on his $$, forcing the pivot to the DJ contract had to be galling, thus the frequent sardonic references to the $40mm, facilitated by Mara and SB.
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See, I got a different feel from that. To me, it was Daboll questioning that they'd have the same QB room.
Want Daboll the guy initially saying he wanted Taylor back?
That's true. I just don't get the sense at all that Daboll likes Jones. I obviously could be very wrong.
I don't think Daboll likes Jones either. Why would he?
I just don't think it matters organizationally. That decision is miles above the head coach.
Speculation is not fact and you have no idea that the the case
Tell us more about how Saquon is not a “big ticket “ item😂😂😂😁
I swear people have way too much fucking time on their hands. The media is actually analyzing this shit? It's a fucking tv show.
Carry on.
I can’t believe that all it took for daboll to sign off on burns and cowen were readily available statistics. I have to believe those were for tv
Giants never on Hard Knocks, incessant complaining
Giants on Hard Knocks, incessant complaining
I'll take the latter.
The way people are making this out to seem just doesn't make sense to me. We weren't good with him, we're doing the right thing by trying a different strategy.
I swear people have way too much fucking time on their hands. The media is actually analyzing this shit? It's a fucking tv show.
Carry on.
+1 to this!
I swear people have way too much fucking time on their hands. The media is actually analyzing this shit? It's a fucking tv show.
Carry on.
Yeah, you can nitpick here and there (it's what we do now), but nothing has come off as "wow, WTF?" And I would actually say that at times this is making the team look really good.
We should be thanking them for this access.
THEY LET BARKLEY WALK IN FA.
Who the fuck cares what Mara said? They let him walk.
Also, Barkley was popular. He was a productive player here. Eagles think so too. Mara was just being honest WTF is wrong with that? Nothing that's what.
THEY LET BARKLEY WALK IN FA.
Who the fuck cares what Mara said? They let him walk.
Also, Barkley was popular. He was a productive player here. Eagles think so too. Mara was just being honest WTF is wrong with that? Nothing that's what.
They got outbid for Barkley. They didn't "let him walk". They wanted him back, and the talk surrounding him was that of a much better player than he actually is.
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If they didn't have their QB, then why didn't they draft McCarthy or Penix? That disputes your theory.
It actually confirms my theory. I think they think they have their QB.
They tried to move up in the draft to take the QB you continue to scream about. Can you at least acknowledge this fact even if you think they should have pivoted off the missed trade up and drafted ANY other QB in round 1? You seem to gloss over the facts and push your same take time and time again. Virtually every source under the sun has stated that the Giants tried to trade up to 3 for the QB.
Or, insist on saying they have their QB and must now pay for it with their lives if they don't go 11-6 while throwing for the end all be all 30 TDs. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
While I have nothing else to compare it to, in terms of NFL teams insider operations, what I see, seems more than competent, I think they seem like they really know what they are doing and are functioning very well.
Anyone who disagrees with that, has unreasonable expectations or just doesn't get the Giants' situation, nor their plan of execution.
You obviously know what you are talking about and have far more knowledge than most, certainly me. Would you elaborate on this?
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THEY LET BARKLEY WALK IN FA.
Who the fuck cares what Mara said? They let him walk.
Also, Barkley was popular. He was a productive player here. Eagles think so too. Mara was just being honest WTF is wrong with that? Nothing that's what.
They got outbid for Barkley. They didn't "let him walk". They wanted him back, and the talk surrounding him was that of a much better player than he actually is.
Ok. That's embarrassing? Not from Philly's POV I guess.
So many things to get mad at with this team. Letting Barkley walk, something YOU advocated for, isn't one of them yet here we are..."EMBARRASSING!!" And why? Because the GM said "come back to us with the offer"
ok...hang in there.
Hard to read much into any of this crap but I tend to agree. And again, follow the actions not the words. Barkley left. As far as I am concerned both parties wanted to part ways and how do I come to this conclusion? They aren't together anymore!
But some here just want to be mad at something.
And I am definitely happy to get the behind the scenes glimpse of how it all works - and they function very much the same as many of the other companies I've ever worked for or worked with...
Schoen never wanted to sign this guy long term. ACTIONS. Not words. IF he wanted him long term he signs him long term. Gimme a break people.
And let's face it, they were hired precisely because they convinced Mara that they could make it work with DJ as the centerpiece of the offense. When Daboll schemed his magic in 2022, Mara declared that the Giants were back because of DJ, thereby justifying the idiotic decision to draft him in the first place, and naturally had to follow through with that hideously back breaking contract.
Having watched three episodes now and seeing the virtual eyes rolling from both of them (Schoen's "can he sling it?" and Daboll's "you mean it will be the same quarterback room again!?!") there isn't a doubt in my mind now that Schoen and Daboll can't move on from DJ soon enough.
Schoen never wanted to sign this guy long term. ACTIONS. Not words. IF he wanted him long term he signs him long term. Gimme a break people.
He tried to sign him long term. Barkley turned him down.
Why in God's name would SB want to come back? He carried this team without any semblance of an offense whatsoever during his entire tenure here! Yes he hasn't done well consistently. But who could with DJ at quarterback, a mishmash of mediocre receivers and a resolutely horrid offensive line? Barkley is now the centerpiece of an elite offense featuring an excellent quarterback and offensive line as well as playmakers who are arguably his equal at their respective positions. Barring injury, he will be the NFL all pro running back this year. And then he will have a legitimate chance at a real ring of honor - a super bowl ring.