Statements are calculated? I for one think mara was ready to move on from Barkley yet saud the opposite to put a band aid on the wound. He did the same with Odell Beckham
I have actually been wondering thru the whole episode if we were actually seeing something of a good cop, bad cop routine. What surprised me about the whole Saquon sequence was that for all intents and purposes we saw neither hide nor hair of Daboll nor for that matter any of the coaches. And there really is no way that Schoen or the front office is going to make that kind of decision over the objections of the coaching staff.
The reality is that Saquon was a team leader who was very popular with the rest of his teammates, and i suspect, especially the black players who might have been a tad upset that the reasonably productive black guy didn't get paid while the less productive white guy did. So Schoen, who doesn't really have to deal with the players, takes the hit and makes it his decision, while Mara ends up looking a little more pro-player. What we all tend to forget at times is that in the end all these are people with feelings, not automatons whose only goal it is to please fans.
RE: Lot of really out of touch FANS on this thread.
NTTAWWT. Fans often are out of touch, overly opinionated, etc. That's why we have WFAN and BBI! It's a good thing a lot of the time. Except when it gets toxic, repetitive, and ignorant.
The fact is that absolutely no one on this website knows what goes into owning and running an NFL franchise. Unless Jeffrey Lurie is a lurker or something like that.
Durrrr but I run a successful company! I run a sports blog! I buy season tickets! Stop meddling! You're a billionaire just let "JOE SCHOEN" run your family business.
Franchises have bad stretches. The Giants have 4 Lombardi's and made the playoffs 2 years ago. Stop whining and thinking you know more than you do. Especially based on a few edited moments from HBO. Root for the laundry or don't.
The same people obsessing over this shit were blabbering weeks ago about how this show would be a distraction and NOT WHAT THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! Now you can't get enough.
It is complete lunacy to think the person cutting the checks wouldn't be in the picture.
My impression of this thread is sad and pathetic. My impression of "Mara on hardknocks" - since we are not given much - is that he is dressed fresh and ready for the golf course, which is where I am sure a lot of you want him to be!
So is your position that the numerous consultants and analysts are wasting their time? Because the only way to understand a business is to be an executive in that business?
You and others seem to like this strawman that people that criticize the Mara’s expect business owners to be uninvolved nobody expects that. They do expect leaders to be self aware enough to recognize when their contributions aren’t helping. John Mara so clearly unaware of that it is alarming. That even his best public foot forward there is not even an iota of recognizable value to his contributions.
And oh boy are the markers of the opposite present in the results of the team he leads. You are the insane person if you don’t think people are capable of evaluating that, we have eyes and ears. If he was the CEO of a public company he’d be out of a job. If his board wasn’t made up of his family he’d be out of a job. Your position is a crap one and the fact that you take it with such disrespect to the legitimately disappointed fans is embarrassing for YOU.
None of us can do anything, none of us expect our words to change his job or his behavior. But you do not need football expertise to know how badly this person deserves criticism.
Its not even good acting IMO - but this is a website filled with people who talk about the storyline going on with WWF. John Mara smarter than BBI? Perhaps.
Its not even good acting IMO - but this is a website filled with people who talk about the storyline going on with WWF. John Mara smarter than BBI? Perhaps.
Smarter than BBI as a whole...no. But he is definitely smarter than certain fans oftheteam.
Its not even good acting IMO - but this is a website filled with people who talk about the storyline going on with WWF. John Mara smarter than BBI? Perhaps.
Smarter than BBI as a whole...no. But he is definitely smarter than certain fans oftheteam.
Apparently posted before TG had his morning coffee. Or maybe just another empty, vacuous, dare I say sophomoric insult, that seems to be TG's go-to response when his narrative gets challenged. Smarter than JM or anyone with half a brain over 12. Likely not!
I don't get this line of thinking that Mara is immune to criticism or scorn. He's the owner. The team has-for a season here or there-been dreadful for going on a decade. The buck stops with him. And a lot of his decisions have been horrible.
Of course the CEO is going to be judged on the performance of his company/organization. That comes with the territory. If you don't want or can't handle the criticism, step down.
Football is entertainment. The product has been dreadful. We have fans who are still in denial about just how bad it has been. The Giants have become a national joke again. The ONLY constant the past 12 years has been ownership.
Of course the CEO is going to be judged on the performance of his company/organization. That comes with the territory. If you don't want or can't handle the criticism, step down.
Football is entertainment. The product has been dreadful. We have fans who are still in denial about just how bad it has been. The Giants have become a national joke again. The ONLY constant the past 12 years has been ownership.
I have actually been wondering thru the whole episode if we were actually seeing something of a good cop, bad cop routine. What surprised me about the whole Saquon sequence was that for all intents and purposes we saw neither hide nor hair of Daboll nor for that matter any of the coaches. And there really is no way that Schoen or the front office is going to make that kind of decision over the objections of the coaching staff.
The reality is that Saquon was a team leader who was very popular with the rest of his teammates, and i suspect, especially the black players who might have been a tad upset that the reasonably productive black guy didn't get paid while the less productive white guy did. So Schoen, who doesn't really have to deal with the players, takes the hit and makes it his decision, while Mara ends up looking a little more pro-player. What we all tend to forget at times is that in the end all these are people with feelings, not automatons whose only goal it is to please fans.
The fact is that absolutely no one on this website knows what goes into owning and running an NFL franchise. Unless Jeffrey Lurie is a lurker or something like that.
Durrrr but I run a successful company! I run a sports blog! I buy season tickets! Stop meddling! You're a billionaire just let "JOE SCHOEN" run your family business.
Franchises have bad stretches. The Giants have 4 Lombardi's and made the playoffs 2 years ago. Stop whining and thinking you know more than you do. Especially based on a few edited moments from HBO. Root for the laundry or don't.
The same people obsessing over this shit were blabbering weeks ago about how this show would be a distraction and NOT WHAT THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! Now you can't get enough.
It is complete lunacy to think the person cutting the checks wouldn't be in the picture.
My impression of this thread is sad and pathetic. My impression of "Mara on hardknocks" - since we are not given much - is that he is dressed fresh and ready for the golf course, which is where I am sure a lot of you want him to be!
So is your position that the numerous consultants and analysts are wasting their time? Because the only way to understand a business is to be an executive in that business?
You and others seem to like this strawman that people that criticize the Mara’s expect business owners to be uninvolved nobody expects that. They do expect leaders to be self aware enough to recognize when their contributions aren’t helping. John Mara so clearly unaware of that it is alarming. That even his best public foot forward there is not even an iota of recognizable value to his contributions.
And oh boy are the markers of the opposite present in the results of the team he leads. You are the insane person if you don’t think people are capable of evaluating that, we have eyes and ears. If he was the CEO of a public company he’d be out of a job. If his board wasn’t made up of his family he’d be out of a job. Your position is a crap one and the fact that you take it with such disrespect to the legitimately disappointed fans is embarrassing for YOU.
None of us can do anything, none of us expect our words to change his job or his behavior. But you do not need football expertise to know how badly this person deserves criticism.
Its not even good acting IMO - but this is a website filled with people who talk about the storyline going on with WWF. John Mara smarter than BBI? Perhaps.
Its not even good acting IMO - but this is a website filled with people who talk about the storyline going on with WWF. John Mara smarter than BBI? Perhaps.
Smarter than BBI as a whole...no. But he is definitely smarter than certain fans oftheteam.
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Its not even good acting IMO - but this is a website filled with people who talk about the storyline going on with WWF. John Mara smarter than BBI? Perhaps.
Smarter than BBI as a whole...no. But he is definitely smarter than certain fans oftheteam.
Apparently posted before TG had his morning coffee. Or maybe just another empty, vacuous, dare I say sophomoric insult, that seems to be TG's go-to response when his narrative gets challenged. Smarter than JM or anyone with half a brain over 12. Likely not!
Football is entertainment. The product has been dreadful. We have fans who are still in denial about just how bad it has been. The Giants have become a national joke again. The ONLY constant the past 12 years has been ownership.
Stop with the silliness.
Football is entertainment. The product has been dreadful. We have fans who are still in denial about just how bad it has been. The Giants have become a national joke again. The ONLY constant the past 12 years has been ownership.
Stop with the silliness.
Sophomoric