Why does Barkley's production in Philly matter?

This is what you get.

Most REALLY smart football people (not the general consensus or social media) realize this could be a win/win/win triple scenario.

Win for the Giants.
Win for Barkley.
Win for the Eagles.

This is a plausible scenario:

The Giants allocate that cap money to other needs at more premium positions.

Barkley has a resurgence after he gets the contract he wanted and shows he still has some years left in the NFL.

The eagles as a contender get a workhorse back who will make a lot of plays for them while they still try and strike in their playoff window.

Fans and media (no offense to anyone here) have a tendency of talking about every situation in sports without any nuance whatsoever. Such is life...if you're smarter than that and don't feed in, who cares? It's why I don't consume the stuff at the national level or social media.

Just a reason for people to dump on the Giants.

Your point is well taken, but as an aside I think Saquon Barkley is going to light it up in Philly (assuming he stays healthy.)

In comment 16555766 CV36 said:

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Just a reason for people to dump on the Giants.

+1, doesn't matter at all.

A big reason the Giants didn’t open the vault for Barkley was that there is too high a risk he won’t stay healthy.

Time will tell.

Is he going to have 3 great seasons? Based on his career it’s unlikely. He’s had 2 really good seasons and 4 injured/below average seasons. The risk was not worth it based on past history and salary.

If the Giants were Philly.. they would spend the money.. We arent.. so we cant..

is just further highlighting what a disaster the Giants line has been... which as fans we should all be numb to by now.

I'd say the Eagles have more on the line. This was an all-in type move and they just had an end of season collapse, Kelce retire, and Lane Johnson declining. If Barkley doesn't stay healthy and crush D'Andre Swift's year last year (1050 yards and 5 TDs on the ground, 4.6 YPC, 214 yards in the air, year younger) they look like idiots.

It is extremely rare a team looks foolish for not handing out a mega deal to a RB.

That’s the only Barkley I can think of…

Barkley can go fuck himself.

This whole philly signing goes against their normal practice it's like the signed him for spite. I'm over it we can't afford Burns if we sign Barkley

Because we have to face them twice/year. that's why. If he has success, he'll have it at our expense. If he stinks, we celebrate, simple as that.

In comment 16555805 Paulie Walnuts said:

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This whole philly signing goes against their normal practice it's like the signed him for spite. I'm over it we can't afford Burns if we sign Barkley

The usual pattern of these guys trying to get revenge is their first season is good and their second season makes the Eagles regret ever signing them. Like Bradberry.

it's because I live here and these Eagles fans have been rubbing it in my face that they stole Saquon.

I don't think the Giants should have spent the money on him, but Eagles fans just think Giants fans are saying that as cover.

That's a whopping 59 yards a game.

except for bragging rights. Giants had to build the oline and add pass rush opposite Thibs.

Barkley, if healthy, will have a really good season in Philly. Nothing we can do about it. He never had a good line while with the Giants, now he does.

The general perception is that it became Jones or Barkley and the Giants chose to pay Jones. The team he went to is also frustrating. There'd be less angst if he went to Houston.

He’ll have a good September, get hurt in October, and be a non-factor for most of the season.

Where beat writers have almost nothing to talk about and this gives a fun narrative to dump on a bottom dweller

And that it will give the media a story to run with.

First, it should never have happened. Knowing he had no intention of signing him, Schoen should have traded Barkley at the 2023 trade deadline, to the AFC if possible, and at the very least controlled his destination and received some draft compensation.

Second, we will now have an opportunity to see Barkley playing behind a strong offensive line and quarterback as well as among a number of superior playmakers. For the past five years, all we have heard is how Barkley has underperformed and is nowhere near the player he was expected to be. And this is largely true. With the Giants offensive line and quarterback as well as among a group of playmakers that can best be described as atrocious during his tenure here, it is not at all surprising. So if he remains healthy this year, and I acknowledge that is a legitimate "if", I believe Barkley will demonstrate what might have been if the Giants had a clue about effective roster building.

Third, it has precisely highlighted on Hard Knocks the dynamic that led to the galactically stupid decision by Schoen to cave in to DJ's fleecing of this franchise last year. Clearly, Mara's passive aggression about needing to keep both DJ and Saquon was not handled correctly by Schoen and he now has the grotesque scars to prove it. Thankfully, Schoen ignored Mara's silly "...Barkley is the most popular BY FAR" nonsense and did the right thing in letting him go. So it reveals at the very least that perhaps Schoen is learning how to best save Mara from himself, a critical attribute of any GM who wants this franchise to win championships again.

Hopefully, Schoen survives Mara's wrath when Barkley is the all-pro running back for the Eagles and leads them to a super bowl.

Who don't understand that Philly and NYG are in different stages of rebuilding and thus different needs. You don't build the core of your offense around a feature running back. Period. Basic football understanding and this is a non issue.

but it doesnt matter any more or any less than anyone else on philly's production. when james bradberry player great for them it mattered because they had a good defense, and helped them win the divisional playoff game. not because he had been a giant.

it didnt matter any more or less than jason kelce, fletcher cox, ajb, or devonta smith were also really good players.

anything philly does well matters more than a non-division team the same way the mets would have preferred zack wheeler went anywhere but philly/atlanta or if the yankees had to lose soto they would prefer it to be anywhere but Boston or ALe.

i dont know why some of these very basic concepts are used as indicators that the giants are somehow doing things wrong.

He will likely have better stats and the eagles will most likely have a much better record than the giants. They are more talented at key positions, the running back position being nearly irrelevant.

Barkley never should have been a giant at the outset. Not signing him to an expensive second contract was 100% the correct move regardless of the eagles outcome.

but they could with that OL and all those weapons and a $200M QB.

if the Giants don't produce much better on offense and SB is tearing it up in Philly.

The RB production was dreadful when SB was out last season.

I was fine with moving on and hopefully the offense sees significant improvements.

His incremental value to Philly matters, simply because the Giants and Eagles are 50% of the teams in competition for the same automatic playoff bid.

Take it from this angle -- the Cowboys offer slightly more than the Dolphins to trade up for a draft pick. Who do you trade with?

NYG would have been wrong to overpay Barkley in order to prevent him from going to a rival. They would have been wrong to re-tag him too. It sucks if he makes Philly better, but the team needs to do what's best for the team, and clearly that was to move on.

laughed at the NYG for using the #2 pick on Barkley, now they are laughing for not giving him a large second contract. They can't win (no pun intended.)

I am not sure I agree with the "wrong" to tag him argument.

I think you can approach his representation and say we're going to tag you, and the only condition we put on negotiations is it's outside of the division.

You can go negotiate with the other 28 teams, and we won't be a blocker when it comes to compensation.

You can make that argument. I just feel that the Giants priority should be building up the team in the vision they have in mind. And that was never going to be heavily based on a feature back. A clean break was prudent, in my view, at least.

I think they could have achieved a clean break and dealt Barkley out of the division. It would have been work, but achievable. I don't think there was any outcome where Barkley just signs the tender and says thanks.

Being a GM is hard work. I thought it was a little wimpy to hear Schoen complain about the negotiations with Barkley last year. Buck up little bronco, you're in charge now.

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Barkley can go fuck himself.

He would DEFINITELY get injured if he tried that.

In comment 16555968 christian said:

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His incremental value to Philly matters, simply because the Giants and Eagles are 50% of the teams in competition for the same automatic playoff bid. Take it from this angle -- the Cowboys offer slightly more than the Dolphins to trade up for a draft pick. Who do you trade with?

To me, this would depend on the overall fairness of both offers. If both offers are basically in range of the generally accepted draft pick value, I'd prefer to do business with the Dolphins so as not to help the Cowboys. But if we're talking a Herschel Walker trade, I'd rather fleece the Cowboys than the Dolphins.

In comment 16556051 Gatorade Dunk said:

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His incremental value to Philly matters, simply because the Giants and Eagles are 50% of the teams in competition for the same automatic playoff bid. Take it from this angle -- the Cowboys offer slightly more than the Dolphins to trade up for a draft pick. Who do you trade with? To me, this would depend on the overall fairness of both offers. If both offers are basically in range of the generally accepted draft pick value, I'd prefer to do business with the Dolphins so as not to help the Cowboys. But if we're talking a Herschel Walker trade, I'd rather fleece the Cowboys than the Dolphins.

Yeah of course. Same as if the Giants franchised Barkley and the Eagles offered a great sum to acquire him.

My overall point is the divisional system is set up in a way where the mathematical competition is just too great to ignore the impact. You are competing against 3 teams for the a guaranteed bid in the tournament. And you play 12% of your games against that team.

You should always factor not helping them in your calculation.

If he can remain on the field, I think there's a good chance Saquon could have a damn good season behind the OL.

In comment 16555819 moze1021 said:

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it's because I live here and these Eagles fans have been rubbing it in my face that they stole Saquon. I don't think the Giants should have spent the money on him, but Eagles fans just think Giants fans are saying that as cover.

The reply to that is if Hurts is such a great QB and Philly is so loaded on offense that by did they need Barkley. He's a good player. But half the guy he was is rookie year. And zero chance he plays all 17 games and isn't dinged up at some point.

Philly is going to miss Cox and Kelce. A lot. Both on and off the field. Maybe they can replace Cox or make it a little closer but Kelcie ?

People think Saquon was the Giants best player, they think he was the only talent on the Giants..

At this point Barkley's name is bigger than his actual production, he is one of those "stars" of the league who had a great rookie year and now everyone thinks thats who he ha sbeen his entire career..

Barkley should have been moved for value and at an earlier time.

It won’t really matter what Barkley does in Philly.

All that matters is winning.

It doesn't matter.

Daboll (to my chagrin) wants a passing offense. (I always want a power running/play action offense in the outdoor northeast.) Daboll wants to sit in the shotgun and pick you apart, and he is building his team that way.

So if you ask Brian Daboll from a resource allocation standpoint where he wants to go, what kind of RB do you think he needs?

I'd guess a selfless, all-around player who can pass block and be an extension of the Offensive Line, competent in the short passing game and can keep the offense on schedule & grind out tough/situational yards. RBBC is fine too. It's a hard-hat position.

About the last thing he needs building a passing offense is a big ticket, big ego RB who you feel pressure to build the offense around, and who doesn't exactly love sticking his nose in there pass blocking. Isn't the toughest situational runner. Doesn't do a great job keeping the O on schedule. Has weird lapses in the passing game.

Really - Barkley is a nightmare for what Daboll's trying to do. He was absent during the discussions on HK but I can't imagine he was pounding the table to re-sign him.

2nd and 6 from singletary instead of...

2nd and 12 from Barkley.

If he stays healthy and has a monster season, it will look bad for the Giants. Ands that coming from someone that was fine to let him walk.

But it will also depend on how the Giants offense looks...