NYGiants, 5th most talented NFL team .....

5th most athletic and 5th most talented.

This isn't surprising, they've draft some uber athletes under Schoen: Banks, Theo, Bellinger, Thibs, Nabers etc. were all near 10.

In comment 16555810 Blue Baas said:

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5th most athletic and 5th most talented. This isn't surprising, they've draft some uber athletes under Schoen: Banks, Theo, Bellinger, Thibs, Nabers etc. were all near 10.

This

During the pro bowl week!

The problem for us is how young and inexperienced they are. We’ve got multiple key players in every unit that that are in their first three years in the league. Their development is the key to the season. Guys like Neal, JMS, Gray, Bellinger, Hyatt, Riley, Davidson, Thibs, Banks, Flott, Pinnock, and a few of the rookies as well. It going to be an interesting season from that perspective. We should at least know if we’re on the right track. .

In comment 16555810 Blue Baas said:

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5th most athletic and 5th most talented. This isn't surprising, they've draft some uber athletes under Schoen: Banks, Theo, Bellinger, Thibs, Nabers etc. were all near 10.

I want to repeat this even if I'm the 11th guy to do so.

But "athletic" and "tests well athletically" are two different things. Give me the guys that play faster than they test.

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Now we need to see if that translates to on the field results.

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Now we need to see if that translates to on the field results.

The talent and speed between what Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll came into and what they currently have is pretty remarkable. Of course, they still have business to do next spring as well, but they're moving in the right direction.

But athleticism is the raw material of excellence, which shows in Schoen/Daboll's roster construction. The contrast from "your grandfather's Giants" is remarkable.

are at the bottom of the league in RAS

what does that tell you?

That while we all like to drool at RAS comparisons -- it really doesn't mean much as a prediction of caliber

In comment 16555812 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16555810 Blue Baas said: Quote: 5th most athletic and 5th most talented. This isn't surprising, they've draft some uber athletes under Schoen: Banks, Theo, Bellinger, Thibs, Nabers etc. were all near 10. This

Yes, but it's definitely better to be more athletic than less. Under Reese and, Gettleman the team became very slow and unathletic.

In comment 16555834 Biteymax22 said:

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But "athletic" and "tests well athletically" are two different things. Give me the guys that play faster than they test.

Give me the guy who tests fast and plays fast. That way if you do make a bad read you have the athletic ability to recover.

In comment 16556010 gidiefor said:

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are at the bottom of the league in RAS what does that tell you? That while we all like to drool at RAS comparisons -- it really doesn't mean much as a prediction of caliber

not exactly, i believe this ranking is based on 90 man rosters right now, not the 53 man rosters teams had last year or any year prior.

the bulk of the 49ers starters last year (CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Bosa, Fred warner, arik armstead, etc) were top tier RAS.

In comment 16555834 Biteymax22 said:

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But "athletic" and "tests well athletically" are two different things. Give me the guys that play faster than they test.

That’s Nubin

Just buiild oyur own narrative.

Hahaha

I like the RAS rating system.

The RAS is a comprehensive look at athletes' relative abilities.

The RAS is a tool to identify superior athletes and to identify those athletes who do not have the prerequisite skills at a given position. There is a baseline that every player needs to achieve at a specific position.

There are problems with the RAS.

RAS relies on data from third parties. Some of the data is inaccurate, inconsistent, and from unreliable sources.

RAS is a snapshot in time. The data is primarily used for drafting purposes and is not updated to represent the NFL player. Barkley is noted as having a 4.4 forty.

The data does not take into consideration injuries. If a player like Nubin was recovering from an injury the data does not distinguish itself.

When rating a team's RAS it should consider starters and reserves separately. You can have backups who have low scores distorting the analysis.

Performance is what you do with those cards. As I noted, KC (who is well postured for a Super Bowl three-peat), is ranked 13th best.

What separates them "from the rest" is a bunch of dudes who want it more and two old farts who know how to win - Andy Reid & Steve Spagnuolo.

Just for "shits & grins", here are the RAS scores for the Giants 2024 draft class -

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-draft-ras-scores-for-giants-6-player-class/

Malik Nabers - 9.57
Tyler Nubin - 3.72
Andru Phillips - 8.13
Theo Johnson - 9.92
Tyrone Tracy - 9.78
Darius Muasau - 5.73

Guys like Nubin defy logic and scientific calculation, they squeeze every little bit out of themselves all the time. They are very easy to root for.

RAS is measure of athleticism, not the same as talent.

In comment 16555891 Toth029 said:

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In comment 16555846 blueblood said: Quote: Now we need to see if that translates to on the field results. The talent and speed between what Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll came into and what they currently have is pretty remarkable. Of course, they still have business to do next spring as well, but they're moving in the right direction.

agree

Are not that far apart as far as their athleticism. But talent for playing NFL QB? They are not in the same hemisphere.

We have a lot of athletes - that’s great. If they don’t have the talent to play football, this team will keep losing.

The Giants are not anywhere close to the 5th most talented team. Athleticism does not equal talent, no matter how many times Manny tries to pretend it does. Mahomes doesn’t “want it more” than Jones. He is just a far better QB.

Mahomes - 8.22; Jones - 8.12 but I would argue that given similar circumstances "Superman" Patrick Mahomes (weakened by an ankle injury and battered by the Bucs in Super Bowl LV) looked very mortal and vulnerable.

That was a one-off by Mahomes, but that's a way-of-life for Jones, under the environment he has had to toil under, in his time with the Giants.

Anybody think Mahomes could be Super Bowl MVP, if he had to endure an 85 sack season ?

Well said.

That having a pile of super talents (what-ever your definition is, there-of ) does Not mean you're going to have a winner.

It's mostly a mental thing - that's why I mention Reid & Spags. Yes it's Xs & Os, but more than that - putting people in situations where they can best succeed, understanding individual motivations, mechanical techniques, key reading and much more.

can get to where he needs to be, before a faster player can get there.

5 in something other than RAS

In comment 16556221 Manny in CA said:

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Mahomes - 8.22; Jones - 8.12 but I would argue that given similar circumstances "Superman" Patrick Mahomes (weakened by an ankle injury and battered by the Bucs in Super Bowl LV) looked very mortal and vulnerable. That was a one-off by Mahomes, but that's a way-of-life for Jones, under the environment he has had to toil under, in his time with the Giants. Anybody think Mahomes could be Super Bowl MVP, if he had to endure an 85 sack season ?