Here we go again with another series thread. The Mets (49-46) are playing a Marlins team (33-63) that has the worst record in the National League & the second-worst record in MLB; only the White Sox (27-71) have a worse record. The Mets have gone 3-3 against the Marlins so far this season & will not play them again this season after this series. They need to take advantage of the weaker teams left on their schedule over the course of their remaining 67 regular season games such as this Marlins club they’re playing in this four-game set in Miami. Click
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Mets @. Marlins: Game 1 –⚾Manaea (L) vs. Cabrera (R)⚾– 7:10 pm EDT
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Miami against the Fish.
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-Tonight’s game will be televised on SNY, but tomorrow’s game will be on WPIX.
-The weather for tonight's game won’t be an issue since LoanDepot Park has a retractable roof. They have it closed most of the time (70 of 81 home games). The heat will be just too much for it to be open now (click
HERE to see), so thankfully it won’t be a factor in this game or series. They usually retract their roof in early season games in April.
-The Mets have a record of 9-5 so far in July & are 7-3 in their last 10 games. As of the start of play today, they sit in sole possession of the final Wildcard spot, a game ahead of both the defending National League champion Diamondbacks & Padres. Click
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-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of
Torrens (R), Taylor (R), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L). 
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NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
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But, McNeil in right field is not a long term solution in my mind.
What's the story on Marte? He never got hurt in the tradition sense, just suddenly was out with no timetable for a return?
Wonder what DS is think for the next 67 games for RF?
According to MMO, McNeil is 141st out of 142 qualified MLB hitters in OPS at .591. Ouch, especially for a corner outfielder...
According to MMO, McNeil is 141st out of 142 qualified MLB hitters in OPS at .591. Ouch, especially for a corner outfielder...
So... you're saying it can be worse 🤣
Ruh-Roh. I'd give his start to Butto then.
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It will go Manaea, Severino, Scott, Peterson.
Then: Quintana (assuming healthy then), Manaea vs. Yankees.
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It will go Manaea, Severino, Scott, Peterson.
Then: Quintana (assuming healthy then), Manaea vs. Yankees.
Yeppers. Updated on MLB.com too now:
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But, McNeil in right field is not a long term solution in my mind.
What's the story on Marte? He never got hurt in the tradition sense, just suddenly was out with no timetable for a return?
Wonder what DS is think for the next 67 games for RF?
I'd try calling up Luke Ritter, he's starting in LF at SYR tonight. Make the obvious move to clear an OF spot on the 40.
As an additional possible move, I'd monitor Carlos Cortes for 2-3 weeks down in SYR. He's playing RF tonight, and he's at least earned a look-see with the big club.
While all this is happening, I'd give Baty a long look in the corner OF spots. He's playing 2B tonight in SYR.
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Now Carlos Cortes hits a 3-run homer. SYR 4 ROC 1.
Quite a busy 1st Inning.
Wow. Um no.
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1) Díaz
2) Núñez
3) Maton
4) Ottavino
5) Buttó
6) Houser
Lefties:
7) Diekman
8) Young
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*Sean-Reid Foley can't come back soon enough form his injury. I'd guess SRF would take Ottavino's spot if Otto continues to underwhelm.
**Gotta trade for a lefty. Impending FA Tanner Scott from the Fish would be a nice catch. Keep your eyes on him this series when he appears.
***When Senga comes back, they're gonna go to a 6-man rotation. One of these guys has gotta go when that happens in the next couple of weeks or so. Gonna be interesting to see who that would be. Rosters expand to 28 on September 1st, so they'd get an arm back for the pen then.
The WORST hitting team in the league.
Way to be prepared, Manaea.
This is a frustrating game.
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stinks up the joint again. If they resign him, Stearns should get the pink slip.
Wow. Um no.
Um yeah. I'm not paying an aging corner infielder with a WAR of 1, no speed, and a below average defender jack shit. I'd be perfectly fine with Vientos at 1B, and Baty or Mauricio at third. Wouldn't think twice.
1) Díaz
2) Núñez
3) Maton
4) Ottavino
5) Buttó
6) Houser
Lefties:
7) Diekman
8) Young
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*Sean-Reid Foley can't come back soon enough form his injury. I'd guess SRF would take Ottavino's spot if Otto continues to underwhelm.
**Gotta trade for a lefty. Impending FA Tanner Scott from the Fish would be a nice catch. Keep your eyes on him this series when he appears.
***When Senga comes back, they're gonna go to a 6-man rotation. One of these guys has gotta go when that happens in the next couple of weeks or so. Gonna be interesting to see who that would be. Rosters expand to 28 on September 1st, so they'd get an arm back for the pen then.
I don’t think they will get rid of Otto when SRF returns (although they should). They will end up sending down Nunez or Young (because…Mets).
When Senga returns, Scott will be sent packing. That’s my thought.
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Righties:
1) Díaz
2) Núñez
3) Maton
4) Ottavino
5) Buttó
6) Houser
Lefties:
7) Diekman
8) Young
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*Sean-Reid Foley can't come back soon enough form his injury. I'd guess SRF would take Ottavino's spot if Otto continues to underwhelm.
**Gotta trade for a lefty. Impending FA Tanner Scott from the Fish would be a nice catch. Keep your eyes on him this series when he appears.
***When Senga comes back, they're gonna go to a 6-man rotation. One of these guys has gotta go when that happens in the next couple of weeks or so. Gonna be interesting to see who that would be. Rosters expand to 28 on September 1st, so they'd get an arm back for the pen then.
I don’t think they will get rid of Otto when SRF returns (although they should). They will end up sending down Nunez or Young (because…Mets).
When Senga returns, Scott will be sent packing. That’s my thought.
Nunez is not getting sent down unless he has multiple games where he gives up 2+ runs in a row. He's the set up man currently. Scott I'm not sure what they'll do because they want to limit his innings.
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Righties:
1) Díaz
2) Núñez
3) Maton
4) Ottavino
5) Buttó
6) Houser
Lefties:
7) Diekman
8) Young
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*Sean-Reid Foley can't come back soon enough form his injury. I'd guess SRF would take Ottavino's spot if Otto continues to underwhelm.
**Gotta trade for a lefty. Impending FA Tanner Scott from the Fish would be a nice catch. Keep your eyes on him this series when he appears.
***When Senga comes back, they're gonna go to a 6-man rotation. One of these guys has gotta go when that happens in the next couple of weeks or so. Gonna be interesting to see who that would be. Rosters expand to 28 on September 1st, so they'd get an arm back for the pen then.
I don’t think they will get rid of Otto when SRF returns (although they should). They will end up sending down Nunez or Young (because…Mets).
When Senga returns, Scott will be sent packing. That’s my thought.
I hear you about Otto. Definitely because...Mets, lol. As far as Senga is concerned, Stearns has already gone record saying they'd go to a 6-man rotation. If Scott goes down, who takes his spot in the starting rotation?
1) Severino
2) Manaea
3) Quintana
4) Peterson
*5) Senga
**6) Scott
Can it be Stewart?????
P.S. Manaea is done.
If the Mets earn a wild card - I have zero faith that they have the pitching to even win a single game.
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Manaea musta went surfing during the break, lol. He was cheeks tonight.
vs. his last start last week (July 12th):
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NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (July) - DanMetroMan - 7/1/2024 10:17 am
*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am
NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
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stinks up the joint again. If they resign him, Stearns should get the pink slip.
Wow. Um no.
Um yeah. I'm not paying an aging corner infielder with a WAR of 1, no speed, and a below average defender jack shit. I'd be perfectly fine with Vientos at 1B, and Baty or Mauricio at third. Wouldn't think twice.
To add more context to my reply. I was more responding to the Stearns pink slip part. I dont think Alonso will be his decision. I think it will be Cohen’s.
I tend to agree on Alonso re-signing though. So many cheaper options
P.S. Manaea is done.
Id imagine it would be Baty over Gilbert right?
Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for today & tomorrow in Miami against the Fish.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be televised on WPIX & so will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for today's game won’t be an issue since LoanDepot Park has a retractable roof. They have it closed most of the time (70 of 81 home games). The heat will be just too much for it to be open now (click HERE to see), so thankfully it won’t be a factor in this game or series. They usually retract their roof in early season games in April.
-The Mets have lost 4 of the 7 games they’ve played against the Marlins so far this season. Jeff McNeil had a day in the field & with his bat yesterday going 3 for 4 with 2 homers & 3 RBIs. (his 2nd career multi-H.R. game). If he can pick up his play over the last 67 games of the season, it’d be a huge boost to the team going forward. As of the start of the start of business today, the Mets are tied for the third Wildcard spot in the N.L. with the defending National League champion Diamondbacks. Click HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both the NL & the AL.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Taylor (R), Bader (R), & Gamel (L).
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So sick of him. I wish Gilbert was healthy so he could come up in his place.
P.S. Manaea is done.
Id imagine it would be Baty over Gilbert right?
Mets need a left-handed hitting outfield or outfielder, in that order. Baty is neither. Besides, Baty needs to continue getting consistent burn at Cuse. He won't up in the Show the way things are now. It's a shame Gilbert isn't healthy. Maybe DG will be ready to go on September 1st.
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Righties:
1) Díaz
2) Núñez
3) Maton
4) Ottavino
5) Buttó
6) Houser
Lefties:
7) Diekman
8) Young
Notes:
-Factor in the re-additions of Reed Garrett and possibly Sean Reid-Foley off of the Injured List, and you've got at least 1 change that would need to be made. to the list above.
-The trade deadline is another factor too. Who do they realistically look to add in the pen & at what price?
-Which pitchers might they look to promote from the minors to help in the pen so they can avoid paying a premium on the trade market for a top reliever like a Tanner Scott? At the end of the day, the Mets have not operated as a club that's "all-in" this year.
-Ottavino and Houser are both FAs after the season. If the Mets need to get rid of one of them to make additions to the roster it's either trade time or DFA time.
-Megill, Montes de Oca, Orze, Vasil, and Hamel are righties who can come up form Syracuse form the right side. Fujinami and Hartwing are hurt.
-Gage, Alex Young, and Lucchesi are healthy southpaws who can be called up from 'Cuse. Nate Lavender would have been an intriguing option from the left-side, but he's out for the year. Damn shame.
Mets @ Marlins | 4:10 pm EDT start - July 20, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – WPIX: Gary & Keith (thestreameast.to)
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Note: Ron isn’t calling the game today.
Enjoy today's game 😊
All good man. When in doubt, click our links! I'll always post where the games are televised. I know it can get hairy at times. Hope you're re-adjusting well BBNH.
-The streameast one was a lil wonky for me.
They showed a stat earlier that the Nats are 7-0 against them so far this year, lol.
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Instead, they come out of the all star break limping. Get it going, boys.
They showed a stat earlier that the Nats are 7-0 against them so far this year, lol.
Meanwhile, the Marlins have won 4 out of 7 against the Mets.
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Instead, they come out of the all star break limping. Get it going, boys.
They showed a stat earlier that the Nats are 7-0 against them so far this year, lol.
Meanwhile, the Marlins have won 4 out of 7 against the Mets.
Yep. Wild, ain't it? Posted it earlier in my starting lineups post for today. Mets need to win this series. Full stop. They won't play this team again the rest of the year. These turkeys are the worst team in the N.L. and second-worst overall in MLB. 3 out of 4 is imperative against them before they play teams with winning records again soon to conclude this month (the Yanks, Braves, and Twins).
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0 ER
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0 HR
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6 groundouts, 2 flyouts
25 batters faced
I agree. Was about to say this. Leave Butto in there. He can do the job for another inning. Then bring in the closer (gulp).
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Bring in Nunez here? Leave Butto in. Mendoza needs to define these pen roles.
I agree. Was about to say this. Leave Butto in there. He can do the job for another inning. Then bring in the closer (gulp).
Would have saved him and Butto can go multi innings. Nunez might do the job well tonight but seemed unnecessary.
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Bring in Nunez here? Leave Butto in. Mendoza needs to define these pen roles.
I agree. Was about to say this. Leave Butto in there. He can do the job for another inning. Then bring in the closer (gulp).
Would have saved him and Butto can go multi innings. Nunez might do the job well tonight but seemed unnecessary.
Definitely seemed unnecessary. These guys get too cute. Now Nunez won't be available tomorrow. I don't like it one bit.
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Won't lie. I had dee agita, lol.
Totally disagree. It's a house of cards with him a bit and he's getting older. I'd trade him at the deadline.
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him for a few more years.
Totally disagree. It's a house of cards with him a bit and he's getting older. I'd trade him at the deadline.
house of cards does not seem to be the right description. gets a ton of ground balls and very few barrels. a lot of weak contact from a guy throwing upper 90's into the middle/later innings is not a house of cards in my book. walks are manageable. pitching almost exactly to his career era/whip.
he's currently logged the 17th most innings of any SP and most above him have thrown 1 or 2 more games. he is only 15 ip behind #1.
im not giving him a massive extension or anything but im totally comfortable with a QO if he continues pitching to his career avgs while logging heavy innings.
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him for a few more years.
Totally disagree. It's a house of cards with him a bit and he's getting older. I'd trade him at the deadline.
house of cards does not seem to be the right description. gets a ton of ground balls and very few barrels. a lot of weak contact from a guy throwing upper 90's into the middle/later innings is not a house of cards in my book. walks are manageable. pitching almost exactly to his career era/whip.
he's currently logged the 17th most innings of any SP and most above him have thrown 1 or 2 more games. he is only 15 ip behind #1.
im not giving him a massive extension or anything but im totally comfortable with a QO if he continues pitching to his career avgs while logging heavy innings.
Yeah house of cards was a bit too much but long term I don't see this continuing. A QO is fine but I don't really want him here long term. I'd sell while his value is raised but that probably won't be viable.
and on top of that you'd be lowering the odds of success this year.
im curious though, what do you see as not sustainable for Severino? the velocity is there and almost everything works off that for any pitcher spin, movement, etc. by the advanced pitching models he has basically the best stuff/command on the team. 2nd best FB to only megill (sss) and his slider (22%) is the best pitch on the whole team.
in his prior years (when the nyy QO'd him) the problems were non-arm related injuries (obviously havent happened yet, knock on wood) and getting hit very hard (which also hasn't happened yet). the rumor was pitch tipping, and given the velocity/quality of contact suppression so far this year that seems to line up. i believe severino also only just started working with driveline recently, so with his sinker usage at it's highest rate along with gb%, it appears he has made some changes that may be sustainable.
Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for today & tomorrow in Miami against the Fish.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be televised on WPIX again, but tomorrow’s game will be on SNY.
-The weather for today's game won’t be an issue since LoanDepot Park has a retractable roof (there will be thunderstorms outside for the first part of today's game incidentally). They have it closed most of the time (70 of 81 home games). The heat will be just too much for it to be open now (click HERE to see), so thankfully it won’t be a factor in this game or series. They usually retract their roof in early season games in April.
-The Mets have a record of 26-14 since June 1st. Yesterday’s win was only their second shutout of an opponent this season. As of the start of play today, they’re tied with the D-backs for the third & final N.L. Wildcard spot. Click HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both the NL & the AL.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Alvarez (R), McNeil (L), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L).
and on top of that you'd be lowering the odds of success this year.
im curious though, what do you see as not sustainable for Severino? the velocity is there and almost everything works off that for any pitcher spin, movement, etc. by the advanced pitching models he has basically the best stuff/command on the team. 2nd best FB to only megill (sss) and his slider (22%) is the best pitch on the whole team.
in his prior years (when the nyy QO'd him) the problems were non-arm related injuries (obviously havent happened yet, knock on wood) and getting hit very hard (which also hasn't happened yet). the rumor was pitch tipping, and given the velocity/quality of contact suppression so far this year that seems to line up. i believe severino also only just started working with driveline recently, so with his sinker usage at it's highest rate along with gb%, it appears he has made some changes that may be sustainable.
Declining K rate and pitching to contact isn't as sustainable year to year as I would like. You can have a unlucky year and get BABIPd and have your ERA go up a full run plus. It's just not the type of pitcher I'd go for.
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which would functionally mean another pick next year along the lines of Eli Serrano or Trey Snyder. And instead of having to find a player of that quality they like from whatever handful of teams are willing to trade for Sevy, they could pick from an entire draft of players.
and on top of that you'd be lowering the odds of success this year.
im curious though, what do you see as not sustainable for Severino? the velocity is there and almost everything works off that for any pitcher spin, movement, etc. by the advanced pitching models he has basically the best stuff/command on the team. 2nd best FB to only megill (sss) and his slider (22%) is the best pitch on the whole team.
in his prior years (when the nyy QO'd him) the problems were non-arm related injuries (obviously havent happened yet, knock on wood) and getting hit very hard (which also hasn't happened yet). the rumor was pitch tipping, and given the velocity/quality of contact suppression so far this year that seems to line up. i believe severino also only just started working with driveline recently, so with his sinker usage at it's highest rate along with gb%, it appears he has made some changes that may be sustainable.
Declining K rate and pitching to contact isn't as sustainable year to year as I would like. You can have a unlucky year and get BABIPd and have your ERA go up a full run plus. It's just not the type of pitcher I'd go for.
problem is the other type of pitcher is almost impossible to get and if so extremely expensive. everyone wants guys with electric strikeout stuff so they are the most expensive, and also often the most risky in terms of injury. sometimes also the wildest in terms of control and year to year performance fluctuations (like snell).
finding starting pitching is generally selecting from the best of non-ideal options. paying through the roof included as one of those non-ideal options even if its for the best guy. we'd all love to get a CY like burnes in the offseason but he's probably going to cost $200m+ and he too has some declining peripherals relying more on groundballs - plus almost 1k big league innings on his arm.
Yes, I’m kidding. I’m really curious to see how he holds up post-TJ.
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Plus, how do the Mets remain to be the SLOWEST team in the league year after year.
SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS
Yeah. Hauser.
it's mind boggling. he had that one brief hot streak but other than that he has been a total waste of a roster spot no less hitting middle order.
i get that he's unplayable vs LHP and that spot that makes it harder to throw a lefty at him, but that's backwards thinking. if your dog shits all over the house it may be correct to take off your nicest shoes before entering, but it's also missing the point re the real problem.
I have been a big supporter, but....
I have been a big supporter, but....
It’s still very unlikely, but we can’t rule out Alonso accepting the QO and trying again next year to get a big contract. A team giving up a 2nd round pick and paying Alonso $60M+ isn’t a foregone conclusion at this point.
(Hopefully Alonso hits 10HR over the next few weeks and makes this post age poorly)
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Comes up 1st and 3rd one out and I'm thinking, jeez Pete just don't hit into a DP.
I have been a big supporter, but....
It’s still very unlikely, but we can’t rule out Alonso accepting the QO and trying again next year to get a big contract. A team giving up a 2nd round pick and paying Alonso $60M+ isn’t a foregone conclusion at this point.
(Hopefully Alonso hits 10HR over the next few weeks and makes this post age poorly)
the QO has always been an underrated strategy. review any of the names from the 3-7th round this year and they are probably more interesting prospects than the mets would likely have to choose from for a rental having a down season. Dohm (797k) and Serrano (697k) have already signed for close to what the QO return would be. comp picks next year will probably slot about 550k. slot for trey snyder is 476k and he likely gets over that.
alvarez has had some bad at bats. i know vientos isnt playing but they've both hit a tough stretch with some non-competitive k's.
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And all we could do is 1 run on a HBP against that ham ‘n egger?
alvarez has had some bad at bats. i know vientos isnt playing but they've both hit a tough stretch with some non-competitive k's.
I didn't want to mention it but Alvarez has gone ice cold. Not concerned but his ISO is also .50 points lower than last year. Not sure if he's doing something differently but I haven't seen that power we got used to last year. I know overall last year he was below average with the bat and so far not this year but his expected stats are lower than his real numbers. Again not a shred of concern as he's a 22 year old C still playing good D and the bat will come around eventually.
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Comes up 1st and 3rd one out and I'm thinking, jeez Pete just don't hit into a DP.
I have been a big supporter, but....
It’s still very unlikely, but we can’t rule out Alonso accepting the QO and trying again next year to get a big contract. A team giving up a 2nd round pick and paying Alonso $60M+ isn’t a foregone conclusion at this point.
(Hopefully Alonso hits 10HR over the next few weeks and makes this post age poorly)
I'd trade Alonso for a top-notch reliever and a bag of balls. He has zero clue at the plate. Couldn't hit a slider with a 50-inch bat. I wouldn't even offer the QO for the fear he might take it.
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And all we could do is 1 run on a HBP against that ham ‘n egger?
alvarez has had some bad at bats. i know vientos isnt playing but they've both hit a tough stretch with some non-competitive k's.
I didn't want to mention it but Alvarez has gone ice cold. Not concerned but his ISO is also .50 points lower than last year. Not sure if he's doing something differently but I haven't seen that power we got used to last year. I know overall last year he was below average with the bat and so far not this year but his expected stats are lower than his real numbers. Again not a shred of concern as he's a 22 year old C still playing good D and the bat will come around eventually.
these are the offensive ups and downs all young players go through. look at how many years it took bohm.
that's where there is hidden value in a young player who can at least play good d like alvarez. it affords a lot more time to develop consistency with the bat.
(also why i wouldn't be so quick to think vientos would effortlessly replace alonso, or any prospect no matter how highly ranked replace any all star for that matter)
Heck of a nice catch by Bader this inning! Maton looking solid.
That's a way more interesting decision. He's having his best year in a long time and he does have a lengthy injury history I believe which he's avoided so far this year. What's the QO amount for this year? Do you really think he'd get more than the QO on the open market?
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another guy id probably QO and not take for granted being so easily replaced by a young guy (be it acuna or gilbert).
That's a way more interesting decision. He's having his best year in a long time and he does have a lengthy injury history I believe which he's avoided so far this year. What's the QO amount for this year? Do you really think he'd get more than the QO on the open market?
not sure but i assume the QO is around 1 year 18-20m.
he would not get that AAV on the open market but i could see someone offering a 2x25m or 3x36m or something like that, would he take it to have some extra security?
i doubt anyone offers that with the QO attached though, so i think he'd probably accept the QO.
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another guy id probably QO and not take for granted being so easily replaced by a young guy (be it acuna or gilbert).
That's a way more interesting decision. He's having his best year in a long time and he does have a lengthy injury history I believe which he's avoided so far this year. What's the QO amount for this year? Do you really think he'd get more than the QO on the open market?
not sure but i assume the QO is around 1 year 18-20m.
he would not get that AAV on the open market but i could see someone offering a 2x25m or 3x36m or something like that, would he take it to have some extra security?
i doubt anyone offers that with the QO attached though, so i think he'd probably accept the QO.
At that point you're paying him too much then.
Phew got the W. Bring on the yanks again.
more familia than benitez, no long balls and lots of bad fielding. lucky to get out with a split. onward.
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another guy id probably QO and not take for granted being so easily replaced by a young guy (be it acuna or gilbert).
That's a way more interesting decision. He's having his best year in a long time and he does have a lengthy injury history I believe which he's avoided so far this year. What's the QO amount for this year? Do you really think he'd get more than the QO on the open market?
not sure but i assume the QO is around 1 year 18-20m.
he would not get that AAV on the open market but i could see someone offering a 2x25m or 3x36m or something like that, would he take it to have some extra security?
i doubt anyone offers that with the QO attached though, so i think he'd probably accept the QO.
To date, the QO # has never gone down.
20.32 last season, 19.65 the season prior, 18.4 before that. Safe to assume it’s probably closer to 21 than 18
FIP near 5 and underlying data is terrible. Very much doubt they add him
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do the Mets have a shot? He's been solid this year.
FIP near 5 and underlying data is terrible. Very much doubt they add him
Doesn’t get much worse than this
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LA would not have dropped him if they thought he had anything left in the tank.
Don't think this really told us anything that we couldn't figure out on our own. Still going to be an important week for the team playing better teams. Braves are falling though with all their injuries. The lineup they put out yesterday was not good. Even their healthy stars have underperformed.
Imagine where he (and more importantly the Mets) would be if he didn't take the first month and a half of the season off.
like I have said all along, April games matter and it's not ok (to me) to say "he's a slow starter" and shoulder shrug because by the end of the season his personal statistics will be great.
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Francisco Lindor is now 7th in baseball in fWAR, 3rd in the NL and tied for 2nd among NL SS’s (De La Cruz) 129, trailing only Mookie Betts. He’s also 2nd in SB’s among NL SS’s and 1st in HR’s (2nd behind Henderson league wide) #Mets
Imagine where he (and more importantly the Mets) would be if he didn't take the first month and a half of the season off.
like I have said all along, April games matter and it's not ok (to me) to say "he's a slow starter" and shoulder shrug because by the end of the season his personal statistics will be great.
From 5/1 until now he’s 5th in fWAR, from 4/1 until now he’s 6th. To suggest he had a bad 6 weeks is completely false. He had a terrible first 2 weeks. From April 15th aka mid April until the end of the month he was 17th in fWAR.
His OPS over the following 43 games was .804
Players have ups and downs, right down to Ohtani
His OPS over the following 43 games was .804
Players have ups and downs, right down to Ohtani
Yup from April 14 through yesterday he's at .282/.355/.513 with 18 HR and 20 SB. Yes he had a really bad first 2 weeks but he's been money since.
His OPS over the following 43 games was .804
Players have ups and downs, right down to Ohtani
Final note on Lindor is, yes he had a horrendous start but why would he slow start be “what if?” And not the games that followed where he and Nimmo at times have carried the entire lineup. If Lindor didn’t have that slow start he’d probably the favorite for NL MVP. He’s #1 in the NL in fWAR since 5/1, a span of 70 games.
We were starting to touch on this last night. Needs to get going again. Alonso at a 75 wRC+ in July. He at least had a big June.
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Has an 87 wRC+ in July with 0 HR’s and a 32% k% and you almost wouldn’t even know it from fans. Love Alvy but that’s a major benefit of having a player like Lindor on and off the field
We were starting to touch on this last night. Needs to get going again. Alonso at a 75 wRC+ in July. He at least had a big June.
Love Alvarez, not looking to dump on him but it’s been largely gone unnoticed how poorly he’s been hitting in July, JDM as well. Alvarez looks like he’s standing even further from the plate than usual for some reason
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Has an 87 wRC+ in July with 0 HR’s and a 32% k% and you almost wouldn’t even know it from fans. Love Alvy but that’s a major benefit of having a player like Lindor on and off the field
We were starting to touch on this last night. Needs to get going again. Alonso at a 75 wRC+ in July. He at least had a big June.
Love Alvarez, not looking to dump on him but it’s been largely gone unnoticed how poorly he’s been hitting in July, JDM as well. Alvarez looks like he’s standing even further from the plate than usual for some reason
I get it. I was basically saying the same thing last night. Didn't notice him standing further away, interesting.
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another guy id probably QO and not take for granted being so easily replaced by a young guy (be it acuna or gilbert).
That's a way more interesting decision. He's having his best year in a long time and he does have a lengthy injury history I believe which he's avoided so far this year. What's the QO amount for this year? Do you really think he'd get more than the QO on the open market?
not sure but i assume the QO is around 1 year 18-20m.
he would not get that AAV on the open market but i could see someone offering a 2x25m or 3x36m or something like that, would he take it to have some extra security?
i doubt anyone offers that with the QO attached though, so i think he'd probably accept the QO.
To date, the QO # has never gone down.
20.32 last season, 19.65 the season prior, 18.4 before that. Safe to assume it’s probably closer to 21 than 18
thank you i had 18 in my head from last year for some reason but probably thinking back to a prior year with conforto or bassitt.
in his case if you do it you are overpaying for 1 year of flexibility. id agree with you that based on what we've seen from stearns and the market over the last year, i doubt they do that. i might because i like the flexibility of 1 year prove it deals and i do think someone could offer him something like 3x40m in FA which i wouldnt feel so comfortable with bc of his injury history.
just like alvarez he's still a young player so these things are going to happen.
i completely agree with alonso pulling the anti-judge and i would 100% bet that at some point every single day he thinks about the $158m he passed on wishing he could get a do-over. who wouldnt in that situation? anyone who says they wouldnt is a liar.
Good. Pete is arrogant and stupid. Nobody is paying in FA. Let him crawl back to the Mets with his tail between his legs and take less.
I kid, I kid.
Maybe Pete should get out of the Clean-Up spot for a while.
Trouble is.....there's really nobody hot enough right now.
Maybe Mendoza was on to something when he batted McNeil in the Clean-Up spot the first few games of the season.
He hits like Stewart. Does he at least have some glove left is the question.
And Whit promptly injured a finger in pre-game warmups....Ouch.
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RHP Christian Scott has been placed on the 15-day IL, retroactive to July 22, with a right UCL sprain.
LHP Alex Young has been recalled from Triple-A Syracuse.
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News: The Mets put Christian Scott on the IL with a UCL sprain.
No word yet on the severity of the sprain or if he will need surgery.
Lefthander Alex Young is called up from Syracuse.
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RHP Christian Scott has been placed on the 15-day IL, retroactive to July 22, with a right UCL sprain.
LHP Alex Young has been recalled from Triple-A Syracuse.
Does this likely mean Tommy John?
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RHP Christian Scott has been placed on the 15-day IL, retroactive to July 22, with a right UCL sprain.
LHP Alex Young has been recalled from Triple-A Syracuse.
Does this likely mean Tommy John?
It's one possibility depending on the severity of the tear, yes. *If* he needed TJ, he'd likely miss all of 2025.
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News: The Mets put Christian Scott on the IL with a UCL sprain.
No word yet on the severity of the sprain or if he will need surgery.
Lefthander Alex Young is called up from Syracuse.
Oh man. Can't have nice things.
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Mendoza says the Mets are still waiting for clarity on whether Scott has a sprain or a tear.
'd be interested in Detmers. HR's have killed him in the PCL but 11.84 k/9, 2.84 BB/9, 3.98 xFIP, .351 BABIP. I have no clue what the cost would be but he'd be an intriguing target (3 years of control left)
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JBJ to @mets has been rumored/suggested for years now. David Stearns had JBJ with him in Milwaukee in 2021. Bradley his .163/.236/.261 over a full season with the Brewers #Mets
He hits like Stewart. Does he at least have some glove left is the question.
What is it with these guys always wanting to sign under performing nobody’s that used to be in their former organization.
Because I am less concerned with Lindor's fWAR or any individual numbers than I am with the Mets wins/losses.
IMO Lindor's awful start was a key reason for the Mets woes to start the season. Its obviously a team game and I'm not pinning anything just on him, but he's the Mets best player he should bear more of the blame and he was worse than everyone else. Shit, Aaron Judge was booed in Yankee Stadium. Lindor deserved the criticism.
And if you focus on margin between playoffs vs no playoffs or home game in the playoffs vs away game in the playoff or division vs wild card it often comes down to one game. And so often people focus on the last game of the season or the last week of the season, but never acknowledge if that one more win came in April it wouldn't possibly have come down to the last week or last game of the season.
April wins matter as much as September wins.
So, my response to the zero he was offensively and defensively in April is not shoulder shrug "he's a slow starter" - it's not ok. He needs to be better in April and every April he has like this year he should be criticized.
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it was also clear lindor's slump was driven by bad luck over a small sample, which i explained at the time.
his BABIP in march/april was .198. it has been above .270 every month since.
it wasnt a contact quality issue either - his expected stats were also unlucky (still are). his xba is .281, his actual is .255. his xslg is .527, actual slug is .463.
but his babip is .323, exactly the same as it was in June when he batted 60 points higher and ops'd 244 points higher, so it's not his fault. it's just bad luck.
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hitting .212 with a 34% k-rate. just 1 homer and 2 doubles.
but his babip is .323, exactly the same as it was in June when he batted 60 points higher and ops'd 244 points higher, so it's not his fault. it's just bad luck.
sounds like you dont know how babip works. it actually means the exact opposite of what you just said. he has hit poorly despite having the exact same luck, which is actually good luck relative to league average. more of his balls in play have fallen in for hits than typically happens league wide - and he has still put up a bad month.
94 pitches but got through the key part of order. could go either way.
I don't think it works that quick haha. Made up for his awful base running mistake earlier.
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hitting .212 with a 34% k-rate. just 1 homer and 2 doubles.
but his babip is .323, exactly the same as it was in June when he batted 60 points higher and ops'd 244 points higher, so it's not his fault. it's just bad luck.
sounds like you dont know how babip works. it actually means the exact opposite of what you just said. he has hit poorly despite having the exact same luck, which is actually good luck relative to league average. more of his balls in play have fallen in for hits than typically happens league wide - and he has still put up a bad month.
Sounds like you don't know how it works. Every player is not the same. Different type of hitters and player generally find different babip sustainable.
for his 14 year career, almost 1600 games and almost 6000 at-bats JDM has a .341 babip. ~20 points higher than his 2024 July.
lol
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hitting .212 with a 34% k-rate. just 1 homer and 2 doubles.
but his babip is .323, exactly the same as it was in June when he batted 60 points higher and ops'd 244 points higher, so it's not his fault. it's just bad luck.
sounds like you dont know how babip works. it actually means the exact opposite of what you just said. he has hit poorly despite having the exact same luck, which is actually good luck relative to league average. more of his balls in play have fallen in for hits than typically happens league wide - and he has still put up a bad month.
Sounds like you don't know how it works. Every player is not the same. Different type of hitters and player generally find different babip sustainable.
for his 14 year career, almost 1600 games and almost 6000 at-bats JDM has a .341 babip. ~20 points higher than his 2024 July.
uh still wrong. a 20 point difference in babip is not considered substantial, and certainly isnt if a player is already above the normal range in the "lucky" range. there is always going to be a normal deviation and JDM's july was almost exactly the same as his full season last year as well as his june this year.
a 90 point difference in babip below career average is a much more substantial deviation.
the differences between JDM last year (135 rc), this June (153 rc) and this July (< 90 rc after tonight) at almost the exact same .323 babip isn't luck. he struck out more and hit just 3 xbh instead of 11 in june. it's not complicated. he hit for less power and struck out more.
trend is pretty obvious and it should go without needing explanation that how often a batter barrels a baseball has absolutely nothing to do with fielders since the former happens or doesnt before the ball is in play in the first play.
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not named Ottavino. Redemption for Diekman. Maybe he has a better second half. Brooms out tomorrow.
I knew that Diaz wasn't available, but when I saw it was Diekman who had to face Soto and Judge, I thought we were done.
We all did
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