Too few have shown big progress year to year (although there are some, KT, McFadden, Wan'Dale etc.),
-but let's see where guys like Banks, Flott, Hyatt, JMS, and yes even Neal stand. If the season is middling record wise, but we have starters that we feel really good about then to me that's a success.
I really like this regime from a competitive perspective, and I like their pro personnel moves even more. The trades, strategy, FA signings, waiver pickups have all shown good process.
The drafts have not moved the needle yet. They haven't been disasters, but now that the roster has a ton of Schoen drafted players starting, we need to see if they're college evaluations and player development are as strong as the rest of the front office.
Also, selfishly, a win against Dallas and a team still in the running after November would be a plus.
Just show steady improvement both in how they play and the players themselves. I despise when people put win totals out there. Lets say we go 7-10 and miss the playoffs. Did we start off 7-0 and then lose 10 straight? That would sucks as opposed to starting off 2-5 and then go 5-5 to end the season with wins against qualaity opponents. Overall win totals for where we are at isn't what we need. We need to see that the players Schoen is bringing in is getting us in the right direction and Daboll is getting the most out of the players.
An innovative offense , more wins than loses. Improved coaching and player development.
In short I’d rather see the current regime show they can get the job done. I rather not start over again.
On offense have the line improve to at least be middle. Run the ball consistently and give Jones a little time.
On defense stop the run and get off the field and not give up 3 downs. If that happens then the offense will get the ball in better field position and more often.
or at least getting a playoff berth. With that, I envision at least 11 wins. And our so-called franchise QB playing like a franchise QB.
Because in order for the above to occur, a large part of accomplishing that rests with the QB.
Last I checked, we have an All-Pro LT, a Pro Bowl-ish Edge, a lottery WR, other dynamic WRs with experience, a rebuilt interior OL, an All-Pro DT, a Pro Bowl-ish LB, a promising secondary, and an offensive minded HC.
That's a lot of parts for the modern game...
In 2024 I would expect 10 wins for it to be successful
We have been bitten too much by guys who flash something and look like they can develop and then the flatten out quick or injuries get in the way and they never get going forward again.
these are also the reflection of this GM/HC. We need to see Thibs take another step now that he is not the only guy. We need to see Neal prove he can stay on the field and put out better efforts then he has. Ezeudu needs to prove he can be healthy and relied on as the 6th man at least. Belly, Flott and Belton all need to adjust to not just be system fits but all around starters.
Guys from the 23 class all need to move forward and cant just be the same level players they were last year. We saw Banks and thought he is a future #1 CB. Cant take a step back
Not only does this progress make us better on the field but it reinforces that the plan and the guys making the plans are geared towards building a consistent contender.
if they could win a road playoff game two years ago
is a loaded term in sports where the goal is to win a title.
To some, me included, success is black and white. You won the title or you didn't.
So I can't define successful any other way than winning a Super Bowl. There can be other goals achieved along the way, that's reasonable, but not success. IMO.
2024 would be an improvement if the Giants demonstrated more consistent good play, indicating the nucleus of the team is getting stronger and the players being picked are proving to be good picks - and the coaching philosophies, strategies, in-game management and team discipline are becoming evident on the field.
But because the word successful is used it's black and white. Some people say playoffs or a win total or improvement, but, in my mind, I see an exit interview for a 11-6 team losing in the 1st round of the playoffs and asking the HC if the season was successful. How could you say yes?
Too few have shown big progress year to year (although there are some, KT, McFadden, Wan'Dale etc.),
-but let's see where guys like Banks, Flott, Hyatt, JMS, and yes even Neal stand. If the season is middling record wise, but we have starters that we feel really good about then to me that's a success.
I really like this regime from a competitive perspective, and I like their pro personnel moves even more. The trades, strategy, FA signings, waiver pickups have all shown good process.
The drafts have not moved the needle yet. They haven't been disasters, but now that the roster has a ton of Schoen drafted players starting, we need to see if they're college evaluations and player development are as strong as the rest of the front office.
Also, selfishly, a win against Dallas and a team still in the running after November would be a plus.
Good post. Captures my thoughts pretty well. Been saying it for years but can they execute on those downs when everyone knows whats coming? Ie; can they block a 5-7 step drop and pick up a third and long? Can they pick up a third or fourth and 1? Can they rush 4 and pressure/sack the QB?
in my mind, I see an exit interview for a 11-6 team losing in the 1st round of the playoffs and asking the HC if the season was successful. How could you say yes?
depends on how that playoff game loss went. Was it a nailbiter with a last second kick or a blowout?
So I could say yes in your scenario to an 11-6 team that demonstrated improved blocking and tackling that loses a close playoff game while otherwise trending up.
whether that’s Daniel Jones revealing he’s a legitimate NFL starter who can lead a high scoring offense, or it being made absolutely clear that he’s not. even if that means we end up with a losing record. winning 9+ games and making the playoffs with the same questions left hanging over the franchise will be a recipe for ongoing mediocrity and disappointment.
An offense that's in the top 10 in the league in scoring. Win 3-4 division games. Win a playoff game.
These are reasonable expectations for a regime that's in year 3, is paying a highly drafted QB, has had several high draft picks, added Burns, etc
Not looking good..expectations are low..this was in the Post this weekend:
The Giants’ two best chances to win a game in the first half of the season are in the first two weeks — as one-point home favorites against the Vikings and as three-point road underdogs against the Commanders, according to DraftKings’ look-ahead betting lines.
I'm not going to put it in temrms of things like playoffs or record. We made the playoffs 2 years ago, but it was a little misleading. So I'll say:
1 - I need to see progress in the young talent Joe Schoen has brought in. There are a lot of question marks on that right now, but it's time to start seeing some tangible positive answers.
2 - Competent Oline play.
3 - In conjunction with #2, I need to see the Brian Daboll's offense playing out. It doesn't have to be 100% there, but we need to be able to clearly see what it's intended to be, including a vertical passing game.
4 - Competent, competitive football. We actually saw signs of this at the end of last year but was overshadowed by early failures. There's going to be down games, but the overall theme needs to be a team that largely competes and is getting closer.
whether its 9-8 or 11-5, to me making the playoffs is the bar. Records get a little subjective due to a game or two, but beating out the other teams for a playoff spot will show growth
no "we need to replace Jones" threads in 2025 would be a sign of a successful season
The Giants could go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. It won't stop the calls to replace Jones. Look at 910. To some, replacing Jones is more important than winning.
The top 3/4 of the league in terms of long term competitiveness...
There must be tangible signs of growth from their draft picks, especially the premiums. There must be signs the Giants belong on the same field as their division rivals, and then the better teams in the NFL. Jones needs to show he revert to 2022 form AND demonstrate much more in the passing game, especially the vertical phase. There must be leaders stepping up on the field to show the way forward and pull the rest of the team with them. Daboll needs a much better season, and the Giants collectively must get out of the chute with a much better start!
a team that is capable of going deep in the playoffs and can legitimately compete with other good teams. If we are not that (spoiler, we're not) I want to be on the path to that.
So I don't really care as much about wins and losses. A repeat of 2022, scraping into the playoffs with a bad team does nothing for me.
On D, I'd like to see a truly excellent pass rush. That is where we placed our chips. It's important. It should be good.
On O, Nabers being great and competent OL play. The realistic best case scenario is that DeVito wins the job from Jones and plays like a credible starter. That would give us some options for the future, whether it's using DeVito as a cheap, adequate QB and/or going after someone in the draft or FA.
Unfortunately, what is likely to happen is that Daniel Jones looks exactly like Daniel Jones, we win 7 or 8 games, and we do this all again next year.
10-11 reg season wins and at least one playoff win. Challenge for the division. I think the eagles will take a step back; possibly cowpies too.
Basically, a little better than 2 years ago in terms of record, but with more decisive wins, much higher scoring offense (due to better OL, Nabers, Wan Dale, Hyatt. We had none of them 2 yrs ago, other than partial season for rookie Wan Dale) and better defense (w/ addition of Burns, Okereke, Banks (didn't have them 2 yrs ago), et al).
Better coaching of OL, better DC and better more experienced roster should make a difference on field.
and offensive line play. Good production and flashes of dominance from Nabers and Hyatt.
Every season seems to be +-3 or 4 wins based on factors unrelated to how good your team is so I'm not going to be excited for another 2022-2023 type record unless I see real improvement in quality of play vs. quality opponents. My expectations will also be capped by our quarterback situation.
At GM or HC. So another way to rephrase the question to me is, what will it take to get there? As far as Jones goes, I've seen enough and don't believe he's the answer. What I do need to see is further evidence that's he's a guy you can win with, ala 2022. I can excuse some of last year due small sample size and what a disaster on Oline and other areas. But if Jones remains a skittish chicken shit opposed to competent transitional QB to true franchise guy, he won't finish the year and will score heavily against others (JS/BD).
9-8 season where we are competitive in most games. Winning 2/4 against Cowboys and Eagles. Having a good enough season where we are on the right track but not good enough to bring Jones back. I don’t want to waste another season on him.
Either making the playoffs and not beating Philly/Dallas
in the regular season, or narrowly missing the playoffs BUT a win against Dallas and a win against Philly. Pretty sure I could feel decent about either of those scenarios.
Just no more 4-13, 5-12, 6-11 seasons. Let's ramp this up, please. Been stuck in that mud bog for too long. That playoff win was a huge tease.
If the team goes 7-10, and the giants lose a bunch of close games and the secondary gets torched but the offense is explosive I’d be okay with it. Would be give confidence that we have an offensive guru for a head coach which is a huge starting point. Can make the QB decision afterward.
That would include a decent record near .500. It would include young players showing they belong. If they lost a couple of heartbreakers but were playing decent ball I’d be ok. Show me they have a future.
which in a nutshell is two things
1) Improved O-line
2) Improved WR play
I will be happy if all the excuse making gets taken away; if Jones happens to thrive and against all odds takes off as a 27 year old - that would be great, but I just cant deal with another off season of "he needs to be upright to judge him" or "no one gets open" or "its the worst supporting cast in the league". I would think with the above we should see an uptick in wins, whether it puts us in the playoffs or not is another question, but I just want to get out of this purgatory we have been in for the last 5 years of trying to figure out what we have at QB.
That would include a decent record near .500. It would include young players showing they belong. If they lost a couple of heartbreakers but were playing decent ball I’d be ok. Show me they have a future.
I'm on board with Bill's assessment. I would add improvement in the coaching as well. Daboll has some things to prove.
.500 IMO - this is the worst case scenario. IF they beat bad teams by a field goal during the course of the season, DJ plays between last year and 2022 and they don't take the out in his contract, the offense is lethargic and not overly productive, but the rest of the team marginally improves...I'm out.
I hope that the OL comes into it's own, the Daboll offensive scheme can be run to it's fullest, DJ has a career year and dispels all the naysayers and previous futility and lights it up to the point where the offense performs at a top 10 level and the defense is respectable....I'm in. Even if they miss the playoffs, don't win a bunch of games, b/c shit happens - I'm ok with it.
I'm also good if the team bottoms out...DJ is clearly the reason they suck and the Giants move on, key guys get hurt but show potential before they do, they get zero bounces and suffer a bunch of close losses. Maybe Daboll survives, maybe he doesn't depending on how things play out. The Giants finish as the worst team in the league and select a QB to officially start over...I'm in
Maybe avoiding a tankathon thread or odds for 1st overall pick or who should we root for thread from Ray in Arlington before Halloween is success for some people.
-Putting up touchdowns and scoring at a high rate to compete in games.
- having the top picks of the last few years truly flash and perform. Prove they are building blocks.
- make the playoffs or compete until the very last game- 9/10 wins.
Not achieving those 3 should call for a true evaluation of new leadership.
An offense that can be explosive and have big/chunk plays, some resulting in long TD's. A defense that can stop the run, not get gashed on 3rd down all the time and can make a stop. A .500ish record (preferably above) that can show they're competing. Also, staying healthy.
That can score early and play with a lead, would take the pressure off the defense and the offense. Defense that can stop run and get off the field...that would equal at least 9-10 wins.
to see more of the playbook from Daboll and not some limited version of it. You can tell he's a good OC based on the limited interactions with QBs on Hard Knocks. I can only imagine what the offense can be with good QB play. Would love to see them in the top 12-15 range and defensively in the top 10. If they can accomplish that, they should be able to win 9-11 games in be in the playoff hunt till Christmas. If not, the season is over at the bye week
When the season is over, I want to feel like the team is headed in the right direction, much like 2022 would be fine. I expect a little more than 2022 for 2024. I want another playoff win and more competitive division play. IDGAF about any players stats. Means nothing to my happiness or satisfaction with the team.
clear development from the 2022 and 2023 draft classes and not being a punching bag for the better teams in the NFL including Dallas and Philly. Vying for a wild card spot in December would be a bonus. Just want to feel like the roster is moving in the right direction talent-wise. Even if Schoen/Daboll they can at least make it easier on the next regime by giving them something to work with.
clear development from the 2022 and 2023 draft classes and not being a punching bag for the better teams in the NFL including Dallas and Philly. Vying for a wild card spot in December would be a bonus. Just want to feel like the roster is moving in the right direction talent-wise. Even if Schoen/Daboll they can at least make it easier on the next regime by giving them something to work with.
That should say "Even if Schoen/Daboll aren't the answer..." Oh, and also add-in clear improvement in o-line play, nothing is going to change until that happens.
Will ownership part with Jones if he doesn't show and prove? They can't fall victim to the "If not him, then who...." conundrum. If he's not the guy, you have to move on. They have a nice defense, pretty promising weapons, and hopefully, a glimmer of hope on the OL. He's got to show he can carry this team when needed.
How about being entertained each week by a Giants team that is still in it before my first bites of Turkey and stuffing? Maybe even to the last week or two of the season? LFGG. Too much of this org’s absolute shite has made me upset and disgusted.
The giants have had only 3 playoff games over the last 10 seasons. There are only 3 teams with 2 which includes Washington and one team with 0 - the jets.
Starting the season without a hole to dig out from
would be a nice place to start. Sick of looking up at week 4 or 5 with a fan decision to make...is it better to tank the rest of the way or fight to become average. Give me a passable 2-2 and hopefully 3-1 in the first 4 games for a damn change. 4 - 0 would be better but I am not a dreamer. Give us a season where the investments we have made prove out to be good ones. Think the investment in the second contract for Andrew Thomas or Sexy Dexy. Think the investment in Okereke at LB in Free Agency. Show me Burns stepping up and making the D line a terror with KT on the other side. We have gifted the league 2 of the best safeties in the previous two off-seasons. Show me that acumen at offensive guard and RT and Ctr. Nabers, Robinson and Hyatt becoming ridiculous threats teams have to game plan for. Give me an answer about Jones. Please either spit the bit or show you belong...I cant take another year of this uncertainty about what we have at QB. Like so many others I prefer to have the decision made. He sucks and not worth investing around him or he is good and this year proved it. I think this year one way or the other proves out the question once and for all. Playoffs would be nice..Proven progress and definition of what we actually have in the fold would be just as good. Go G men
I need to see both the offense and defense ranked somewhere in the middle of the league. We have been ranked at or near the bottom forever. I want to see marked improvement in both squads.
and I want to not get embarassed by even the best teams. I want to see fight where we are going into the second halves of games with a chance consistently.
I also do not want to see any drama between our coaches.
Most of all if Jones cannot put up numbers that are above the league average i'd like him out. Or if he gets injured for more than 4 games.
Draftkings gives the NYG the worst odds in the East for the crown
And just last week had an article saying the best shot for wins in the season’s first half rested in weeks 1 and 2. My sportsbook has the NYG with the 2nd longest NFC championship odds and 5th longest SB odds. The writing is on the wall. Link - ( New Window )
An offensive line that enables the QB to take a 5 step drop
without getting killed, and a running game that moves the chains. It's okay with me if the Giants don't score a ton of points or win ten games. Just demonstrate that you're a competent football team.
When a team is on the rise, during a successful season, often the team’s core players are having a good or career year. Usually when that happens, suddenly the depth players also have a better than expected year.
The Giants still have several key holes, but this year, several players should distinguish themselves as Dex and Thomas have done already. Not all of them will. It should help to guide future decisions toward building a winner.
end the great destruction of the LoS that has been going on for over a decade with poor front office decisions. Long time ago where you felt the Giants very competitively matched up on both fronts with consistency.
context matters. How they get to 8-9 wins matters.
Successful? I'd like to see this team emerge from 2024 with an identity, especially on defense but really both units to some extent.
The D is spending big money and resources on the front 7 and they have 2 high draft picks in the secondary along with a bunch of mid round picks. I can wait for the secondary to find its way on some level but the front 7 needs to carry the day and emerge as the best unit on this team. We need sacks. We need disruption. We need game saving, game swinging and game changing plays from the front 7. We need to come out of 24 knowing we have one of the better pass rushing/impactful front 7s in football.
We need to believe the WRs are game breaking and worthy of being the primary bread winners here. Mailk Nabers and Robinson really need to be the straws stirring the drink on offense. They were drafted high. Robinson has already flawed NFL ability. Nabers looks like a super star in waiting. Prove it here. THe OL needs to be capable.
If we come out of this season with an 8-9 record and beat some big boy teams along the way while forging a legit building block identity on D and offense, we should all take it and run. Some of you with the agenda, bullet point wins and losses nonsense just come off as someone laying the groundwork for future discord.
players that contribute the most to the winning and keep building the team around those players.
Anybody that is not contributing enough and is expensive, get rid of them and look for an upgrade or at least someone cheaper with same approximate ability.
With respect to actual game results: I want them to be legitimately in the hunt (within a game) for making the playoffs heading into December is my floor.
Making the playoffs is a good year.
Winning the division is a great year.
At least one playoff win is outstanding.
I HATE it when the season is essentially over in October and that has happened a lot recently.
-but let's see where guys like Banks, Flott, Hyatt, JMS, and yes even Neal stand. If the season is middling record wise, but we have starters that we feel really good about then to me that's a success.
I really like this regime from a competitive perspective, and I like their pro personnel moves even more. The trades, strategy, FA signings, waiver pickups have all shown good process.
The drafts have not moved the needle yet. They haven't been disasters, but now that the roster has a ton of Schoen drafted players starting, we need to see if they're college evaluations and player development are as strong as the rest of the front office.
Also, selfishly, a win against Dallas and a team still in the running after November would be a plus.
In short I’d rather see the current regime show they can get the job done. I rather not start over again.
On defense stop the run and get off the field and not give up 3 downs. If that happens then the offense will get the ball in better field position and more often.
Because in order for the above to occur, a large part of accomplishing that rests with the QB.
Last I checked, we have an All-Pro LT, a Pro Bowl-ish Edge, a lottery WR, other dynamic WRs with experience, a rebuilt interior OL, an All-Pro DT, a Pro Bowl-ish LB, a promising secondary, and an offensive minded HC.
That's a lot of parts for the modern game...
Time for Schoen’s draft picks to step up
these are also the reflection of this GM/HC. We need to see Thibs take another step now that he is not the only guy. We need to see Neal prove he can stay on the field and put out better efforts then he has. Ezeudu needs to prove he can be healthy and relied on as the 6th man at least. Belly, Flott and Belton all need to adjust to not just be system fits but all around starters.
Guys from the 23 class all need to move forward and cant just be the same level players they were last year. We saw Banks and thought he is a future #1 CB. Cant take a step back
Not only does this progress make us better on the field but it reinforces that the plan and the guys making the plans are geared towards building a consistent contender.
Trying to pass block
Trying to run block
Trying to rush the passer
Trying to stop the run
To some, me included, success is black and white. You won the title or you didn't.
So I can't define successful any other way than winning a Super Bowl. There can be other goals achieved along the way, that's reasonable, but not success. IMO.
2024 would be an improvement if the Giants demonstrated more consistent good play, indicating the nucleus of the team is getting stronger and the players being picked are proving to be good picks - and the coaching philosophies, strategies, in-game management and team discipline are becoming evident on the field.
But because the word successful is used it's black and white. Some people say playoffs or a win total or improvement, but, in my mind, I see an exit interview for a 11-6 team losing in the 1st round of the playoffs and asking the HC if the season was successful. How could you say yes?
-but let's see where guys like Banks, Flott, Hyatt, JMS, and yes even Neal stand. If the season is middling record wise, but we have starters that we feel really good about then to me that's a success.
I really like this regime from a competitive perspective, and I like their pro personnel moves even more. The trades, strategy, FA signings, waiver pickups have all shown good process.
The drafts have not moved the needle yet. They haven't been disasters, but now that the roster has a ton of Schoen drafted players starting, we need to see if they're college evaluations and player development are as strong as the rest of the front office.
Also, selfishly, a win against Dallas and a team still in the running after November would be a plus.
Good post. Captures my thoughts pretty well. Been saying it for years but can they execute on those downs when everyone knows whats coming? Ie; can they block a 5-7 step drop and pick up a third and long? Can they pick up a third or fourth and 1? Can they rush 4 and pressure/sack the QB?
Can they do these in crunch time?
depends on how that playoff game loss went. Was it a nailbiter with a last second kick or a blowout?
So I could say yes in your scenario to an 11-6 team that demonstrated improved blocking and tackling that loses a close playoff game while otherwise trending up.
A pass rush that opponents respect, and a tough overall defense.
All in all, enough positive results to make me feel that the following year we can actually contend and be a playoff factor.
These are reasonable expectations for a regime that's in year 3, is paying a highly drafted QB, has had several high draft picks, added Burns, etc
Defense coming together.. stopping the run.. Getting off the damn field when its third and long..
WR's becoming something teams actually have to worry about.
Figuring out the QB.. either he is the guy or his isnt.. no more wondering...
The offensive being more explosive and far less predicatible.. I should not be calling out the EXACT play coming next.. from my living room
Anything over 9 wins and Im good..
These are reasonable expectations for a regime that's in year 3, is paying a highly drafted QB, has had several high draft picks, added Burns, etc
Not looking good..expectations are low..this was in the Post this weekend:
The Giants’ two best chances to win a game in the first half of the season are in the first two weeks — as one-point home favorites against the Vikings and as three-point road underdogs against the Commanders, according to DraftKings’ look-ahead betting lines.
Compete in the playoffs.
Run a real offense.
1 - I need to see progress in the young talent Joe Schoen has brought in. There are a lot of question marks on that right now, but it's time to start seeing some tangible positive answers.
2 - Competent Oline play.
3 - In conjunction with #2, I need to see the Brian Daboll's offense playing out. It doesn't have to be 100% there, but we need to be able to clearly see what it's intended to be, including a vertical passing game.
4 - Competent, competitive football. We actually saw signs of this at the end of last year but was overshadowed by early failures. There's going to be down games, but the overall theme needs to be a team that largely competes and is getting closer.
These are reasonable expectations for a regime that's in year 3, is paying a highly drafted QB, has had several high draft picks, added Burns, etc
This.
The Giants could go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. It won't stop the calls to replace Jones. Look at 910. To some, replacing Jones is more important than winning.
To me, anything less than that is a failed season. DJ has to step up and perform like a top 10-15 QB, if not then he needs to get released.
So I don't really care as much about wins and losses. A repeat of 2022, scraping into the playoffs with a bad team does nothing for me.
On D, I'd like to see a truly excellent pass rush. That is where we placed our chips. It's important. It should be good.
On O, Nabers being great and competent OL play. The realistic best case scenario is that DeVito wins the job from Jones and plays like a credible starter. That would give us some options for the future, whether it's using DeVito as a cheap, adequate QB and/or going after someone in the draft or FA.
Unfortunately, what is likely to happen is that Daniel Jones looks exactly like Daniel Jones, we win 7 or 8 games, and we do this all again next year.
Basically, a little better than 2 years ago in terms of record, but with more decisive wins, much higher scoring offense (due to better OL, Nabers, Wan Dale, Hyatt. We had none of them 2 yrs ago, other than partial season for rookie Wan Dale) and better defense (w/ addition of Burns, Okereke, Banks (didn't have them 2 yrs ago), et al).
Better coaching of OL, better DC and better more experienced roster should make a difference on field.
Every season seems to be +-3 or 4 wins based on factors unrelated to how good your team is so I'm not going to be excited for another 2022-2023 type record unless I see real improvement in quality of play vs. quality opponents. My expectations will also be capped by our quarterback situation.
Wins will come when we show the build is solid. Once it is shown that we are contenders, then success can be measured in rings.
We’re only 18 months removed from that, by the way.
Just no more 4-13, 5-12, 6-11 seasons. Let's ramp this up, please. Been stuck in that mud bog for too long. That playoff win was a huge tease.
Most importantly, hoping for a healthy season from Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence, and to a slightly lesser degree, Banks.
I think hitting on a few draft picks would go a long way, something that has eluded this team for too long.
1) Improved O-line
2) Improved WR play
I will be happy if all the excuse making gets taken away; if Jones happens to thrive and against all odds takes off as a 27 year old - that would be great, but I just cant deal with another off season of "he needs to be upright to judge him" or "no one gets open" or "its the worst supporting cast in the league". I would think with the above we should see an uptick in wins, whether it puts us in the playoffs or not is another question, but I just want to get out of this purgatory we have been in for the last 5 years of trying to figure out what we have at QB.
I'm on board with Bill's assessment. I would add improvement in the coaching as well. Daboll has some things to prove.
I think I've written something like this for the last 10 years
I know what I definitely don't want..
.500 IMO - this is the worst case scenario. IF they beat bad teams by a field goal during the course of the season, DJ plays between last year and 2022 and they don't take the out in his contract, the offense is lethargic and not overly productive, but the rest of the team marginally improves...I'm out.
I hope that the OL comes into it's own, the Daboll offensive scheme can be run to it's fullest, DJ has a career year and dispels all the naysayers and previous futility and lights it up to the point where the offense performs at a top 10 level and the defense is respectable....I'm in. Even if they miss the playoffs, don't win a bunch of games, b/c shit happens - I'm ok with it.
I'm also good if the team bottoms out...DJ is clearly the reason they suck and the Giants move on, key guys get hurt but show potential before they do, they get zero bounces and suffer a bunch of close losses. Maybe Daboll survives, maybe he doesn't depending on how things play out. The Giants finish as the worst team in the league and select a QB to officially start over...I'm in
Maybe avoiding a tankathon thread or odds for 1st overall pick or who should we root for thread from Ray in Arlington before Halloween is success for some people.
- having the top picks of the last few years truly flash and perform. Prove they are building blocks.
- make the playoffs or compete until the very last game- 9/10 wins.
Not achieving those 3 should call for a true evaluation of new leadership.
2025 draft won’t have to be a QB or OT
Can take best player available. (DT)
It would mean a lot has gone right.
Need to clearly know Jones is the guy for the future or time to move on. Another “incomplete” grade is not good enough.
A winning record as well.
A top 1/3 defense.
As for the Giants, being competitive, possibly winning, and not being blown out, by the best teams on their schedule.
What teams would that be? Baltimore, on 12/15, is the only one that I might ink in, at this time.
Cincinnati? Maybe
Philly? Maybe, if they've replaced the weak links in their chain.
Dallas? Too soon to tell. They might take a huge plunge this year, if their offensive line doesn't come together.
At this time, no other team on the schedule looks like serious deep run playoff material.
That should say "Even if Schoen/Daboll aren't the answer..." Oh, and also add-in clear improvement in o-line play, nothing is going to change until that happens.
Go Giants then gogiants
I would say it was coordinated, but no way.
A winning record would be a nice surprise too.
Since a super bowl win is highly improbable, it's the QB situation ie the organization has a path forward with Jones or a new direction.
I also do not want to see any drama between our coaches.
Most of all if Jones cannot put up numbers that are above the league average i'd like him out. Or if he gets injured for more than 4 games.
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The Giants still have several key holes, but this year, several players should distinguish themselves as Dex and Thomas have done already. Not all of them will. It should help to guide future decisions toward building a winner.
Improvement across the board especially in the areas of weakness.
The unproven players stepping up, talented players showing up.
The coaching staff making a difference in the positive.
Wins. Winning the games that are expected. Winning games against the teams that are viewed better.
Making the playoffs and being competitive in the playoff!
Successful? I'd like to see this team emerge from 2024 with an identity, especially on defense but really both units to some extent.
The D is spending big money and resources on the front 7 and they have 2 high draft picks in the secondary along with a bunch of mid round picks. I can wait for the secondary to find its way on some level but the front 7 needs to carry the day and emerge as the best unit on this team. We need sacks. We need disruption. We need game saving, game swinging and game changing plays from the front 7. We need to come out of 24 knowing we have one of the better pass rushing/impactful front 7s in football.
We need to believe the WRs are game breaking and worthy of being the primary bread winners here. Mailk Nabers and Robinson really need to be the straws stirring the drink on offense. They were drafted high. Robinson has already flawed NFL ability. Nabers looks like a super star in waiting. Prove it here. THe OL needs to be capable.
If we come out of this season with an 8-9 record and beat some big boy teams along the way while forging a legit building block identity on D and offense, we should all take it and run. Some of you with the agenda, bullet point wins and losses nonsense just come off as someone laying the groundwork for future discord.
Build something with staying power.
Not using an IPhone just my own fuck up.
I should add in Hyatt at WR as well but I am not convinced he's anything more than a Jag with speed. Big 2nd year for him.
Anybody that is not contributing enough and is expensive, get rid of them and look for an upgrade or at least someone cheaper with same approximate ability.
Keep doing it until you are in the Super Bowl.
Making the playoffs is a good year.
Winning the division is a great year.
At least one playoff win is outstanding.
I HATE it when the season is essentially over in October and that has happened a lot recently.