Greg Van Wroten on FA visit

on Duggan, you bet
and Eric for sure we want the best player at each OL position: but we also do not want a repeat of last year’s camp of musical chairs when no chemistry or feel or trust was built. Gotta let Bricillo be the maestro here.

Galling to see Feliciano there.And the disappointment with Neal threatens to become deeper still

on Duggan, you bet
and Eric for sure we want the best player at each OL position: but we also do not want a repeat of last year’s camp of musical chairs when no chemistry or feel or trust was built. Gotta let Bricillo be the maestro here.

Galling to see Feliciano there.And the disappointment with Neal threatens to become deeper still

my guess is that van roten was hoping he had played well enough to land something like a 3-5m deal as zeitler and other veteran OL did. even someone like bredeson got 3m.

van roten was probably willing to wait until the last minute hoping that a deal like that materialized for him before being willing to sign closer to minimum.

if Neel isn't ready to return.

At least it would appear that they are preparing should that be the case.

It might take a while to completely get Neel back on the field and right - both mentally and physically.

Nothing wrong with having a contingency plan.

Get 5 great OLmen starting....and hopefully 3 backups that can step in and start

if he's got a lot left, but I do know that O'Donnell had all day to pass against the Giants.

isn't this a no-brainer at the right price (close to vet minimum)
Another potential starter and quality back up
No-brainer

The 2023 Raiders would be an outstanding floor for the Giants.

And it doesn't have to have anything to do with Neal. Right now when someone gets hurt, we are quickly relying on guys who were shaky or failed us last year, or are rookies.

securing the right side of this line in tact with Thomas at LT, Runyan at LG likely upgrading Parham, JMS at C, and Neal in the Thayer Munford role either backing up as swing tackle or beating out one of the above is a very ideal situation entering the season.



a more proven backup C in case JMS struggles would be the only remaining area of potential concern.

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

He might not be. But fans have anticipated (and wanted) Eluemunor to be our new RT since he was signed. If we sign GVW and we find out on Wednesday that Neal is starting the year on PUP and Eluemunor is going to be the RT, not too many people are going to be that upset.

the better..

.

In comment 16557035 Gman11 said:

Quote:

if he's got a lot left, but I do know that O'Donnell had all day to pass against the Giants.

The fact that, per Eric on Li he's coming off his best year as a pro

Quote:

he's 34 years old off the best year of his career and never made a lot of $, probably the last big payday of his life. a $4m offer vs a $3m offer is a big difference for a guy like him

is another confirmation that offensive linemen don't necessarily sail off into the sunset once they reach mid-30s. The examples are legion, NYG just haven't had an OL to reach, or sign at, that stage in a long time. Our OL coaches made sure there was no longevity here, Zeitler (also 34), smh. Go back to Lomas Brown

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

That's my takeaway, they need to hedge against him not only being a straight-up bust but also not being available.

You could argue that being they were in the guard market and he worked with Bricillo in Oak, that there may have had interest early and our price was to low for him. Being unsigned now he probably is looking for the best fit for him to succeed and its possible he circled back to NYG.

With him and Runyon as our guards, Eluemunor can finally be officially the RT and stop with this talk about “Neal needs one more year to prove himself” because we have seen enough and can’t afford to watch him get Jones killed again this year. Too much is at stake….we have to go with proven guys….not guys who were drafted in the first round who we hope can play like a number one.

Get it done Schoen!

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

My thought completely

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

__________
We may know that soon. I think the lack of news about Neal may be news itself.

In comment 16557113 5BowlsSoon said:

Quote:

With him and Runyon as our guards, Eluemunor can finally be officially the RT and stop with this talk about “Neal needs one more year to prove himself” because we have seen enough and can’t afford to watch him get Jones killed again this year. Too much is at stake….we have to go with proven guys….not guys who were drafted in the first round who we hope can play like a number one. Get it done Schoen!

Agreed, would be a great signing. I would certainly let Neal earn a job, but by no means should he be handed a starting position.

Seems kind of high doesn't it or am I wrong?

In comment 16557118 Ivan15 said:

Quote:

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said: Quote: of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready? __________ We may know that soon. I think the lack of news about Neal may be news itself.

This bit I don't buy. Teams keep injury news close to the vest as a matter of course. If Neal is still hobbled, it changes the negotiation with GVW, if there is to be one. Nobody knew that Theo Johnson had a hip issue until last week, but that we didn't know anything wasn't news.

too many offensive lineman. Bring them all on in....

But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT…

Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

I think is a case of hope for the best and plan for the worst with Neal.

Looks like the strategy is to be able to have choices among multiple players at most OL positions and get that group together early in the preseason as opposed to all the rotations they did last year late into the preseason.

If Neal isn’t ready, don’t count on him / bring him back too soon.

Let him be the swing back up tackle while he is getting healthy and be our planB should Thomas or Eluemunor go down.

In comment 16557160 90.Cal said:

Quote:

But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT… Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

what they do in the spring hardly matters. no contact, very few team reps. neal wasnt in bc he was hurt. the training camp/preseason reps in pads together is what matters, and id rather not chase whatever the choices were a few weeks ago than put people in their best spots.

that Neal's name was hardly--never?--mentioned. It really is bizarro world with NYG OL. Gotta believe Carmen will instill order and a path toward cohesion, whoever the dance partners are. Priceless to hear his inner thoughts in convo with BD on what he saw in '23 tape and what his plans are to fix this mess.

a few years back he was not a adequate player for the Jets.

and perhaps other posters read between the Tea leaves as well, but there was a lot of smoke about Neal not being ready in the spring, and the giants really weren't clear about saying that he "Should" be ready for camp. I said that when camp started I suspected there was going to be a problem with Neal's health.

Of course, nothing has been confirmed, but this is certainly interesting. Now, maybe they have had a chance to evaluate this spring and feel other depth options won't hurt, but still, I think Neal's health is an issue.

In comment 16557183 dairborn said:

Quote:

and perhaps other posters read between the Tea leaves as well, but there was a lot of smoke about Neal not being ready in the spring, and the giants really weren't clear about saying that he "Should" be ready for camp. I said that when camp started I suspected there was going to be a problem with Neal's health. Of course, nothing has been confirmed, but this is certainly interesting. Now, maybe they have had a chance to evaluate this spring and feel other depth options won't hurt, but still, I think Neal's health is an issue.

All of that may be true but Ezeudu has been injured a lot (including neck), Marcus M McKethan has been injured and shown little, we may have decided that keeping the middle protected is far more important with a more north south runners like Singletary and Gray.. Keeping Jones feet and knees clear most important as well..

He is one of their best 5.

AT - JRJ - JMS - GVR - Eluemunor

Of course the hope is Neal wins a spot. But this is very good insurance, especially this late in the off-season.

In comment 16557160 90.Cal said:

Quote:

But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT… Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

I get the Elumenor criticism, but how the hell is Runyan "out of position" at RG?? Look at his snap counts with the Packers..

evaluation of Neal? While depth is important, would a Van Wroten signing mean Eleumenor(sp?) be needed at right guard - at least for the beginning of the season?

does that count as a roster spot, or would the team need to cut somebody to sign GVW?

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

Maybe I missed it, but has Neal done anything physical at all yet to show he is ready to play? Perhaps we should be more nervous if they think Neal is ready :)

and let him start, but the internship has to end by now.

Was hoping that by now we’d read that he signed.

Last season they went with the opposite plan of trying to develop all the young players which obviously blew up in their face.

In comment 16557185 jvm52106 said:

Quote:

In comment 16557183 dairborn said: Quote: and perhaps other posters read between the Tea leaves as well, but there was a lot of smoke about Neal not being ready in the spring, and the giants really weren't clear about saying that he "Should" be ready for camp. I said that when camp started I suspected there was going to be a problem with Neal's health. Of course, nothing has been confirmed, but this is certainly interesting. Now, maybe they have had a chance to evaluate this spring and feel other depth options won't hurt, but still, I think Neal's health is an issue. All of that may be true but Ezeudu has been injured a lot (including neck), Marcus M McKethan has been injured and shown little, we may have decided that keeping the middle protected is far more important with a more north south runners like Singletary and Gray.. Keeping Jones feet and knees clear most important as well..

May the names Ezeudu and Mckethan never be echoed here again on this good website because both are poor…..as is Neal. What a horrible draft of OL guys. I guess Bobby Johnson liked them. That explains it.

He grew up on LI
And went to U Penn

In comment 16557153 BlackLight said:

Quote:

In comment 16557118 Ivan15 said: Quote: In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said: Quote: of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready? __________ We may know that soon. I think the lack of news about Neal may be news itself. This bit I don't buy. Teams keep injury news close to the vest as a matter of course. If Neal is still hobbled, it changes the negotiation with GVW, if there is to be one. Nobody knew that Theo Johnson had a hip issue until last week, but that we didn't know anything wasn't news.

________________
What the hell are you babbling about and who is GVW? Do you mean Greg Van Roten?

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

Neal never seems to be ready.I understand continuing to give him a chance at RT to justify the 1st round pick, but unless he's in far better condition than before, he's not quick enough to stop outside rushers. Move him inside where he'd have some protection & they might find out they have a solid RG!

would seem to indicate that all may not be well with Evan Neal. But maybe at this stage the entire Giants organization is desperate to capitalize on the potential of Malik Nabers/Wan'Dale Robinson/Jalin Hyatt/Darius Slayton, and if that means they have to make a very short-term pivot with GVR at Guard and Jermaine Eluemunor at Right Tacke... then so be it.

In comment 16557160 90.Cal said:

Quote:

But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT… Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

Spring practice is meaningless for the lines, it is no contact. Real practice starts tomorrow.

In comment 16557160 90.Cal said:

Quote:

But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT… Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

Spring practice is meaningless for the lines, it is no contact. Nothing is set yet, real practice starts tomorrow.

He is a solid cheap depth signing something this team has done a poor job of also, he has a comfort level with the staff so it probably puts the Giants ahead of other teams at a minimum salary.
The workout could have been a favor by the new O-line coach because he is not getting offers

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

even when he's ready, he's not ready

In comment 16556974 uther99 said:

Quote:

to move to RT if Neal fails

Pretty much. I thought they were a guard short coming into training camp. This would solve it.

P.S. I don't think Neal will finish the season as the starting RT. Hell, he'll be lucky to start the season at this rate IMO.

In comment 16557353 TheMick7 said:

Quote:

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said: Quote: of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready? Neal never seems to be ready.I understand continuing to give him a chance at RT to justify the 1st round pick, but unless he's in far better condition than before, he's not quick enough to stop outside rushers. Move him inside where he'd have some protection & they might find out they have a solid RG!

I think LG would be better for him. It's his natural side and he'd be next to their best OL in Andrew Thomas on his left.