Greg Van Wroten on FA visit

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after the season:

15. RG GREG VAN ROTEN, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS: 75.3
In his first season in Vegas, Van Roten produced a top-10 interior pass-blocking grade (77.4), the highest of his career. Across 626 pass sets, he earned a quality 98.1 pass-blocking efficiency rating, buoyed by four perfect games with a 100.0 efficiency rating.

to move to RT if Neal fails

Hopefully doesn't foreshadow any injuries to existing Oline on roster.

In comment 16556974 uther99 said:

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to move to RT if Neal fails

and Runyan to play LG which was the position he was generally better at in GB I think.

In comment 16556978 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16556974 uther99 said: Quote: to move to RT if Neal fails and Runyan to play LG which was the position he was generally better at in GB I think.

This is preferable + Eluemunor to RT.

In comment 16556983 Toth029 said:

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In comment 16556978 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16556974 uther99 said: Quote: to move to RT if Neal fails and Runyan to play LG which was the position he was generally better at in GB I think. This is preferable + Eluemunor to RT.

im not positive it's preferable, van roten and eluemunor dont have long track records of being + starters (just last year basically) but it gives them 3 chances instead of 2. the floor is certainly higher with the veterans than neal.

Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
I've been pushing Aaron Stinnie as the guy who would step in at left guard if Jermaine Eluemunor kicks out to right tackle.
If Greg Van Roten is signed, GVR becomes that guy and could be a sign Giants are protecting themselves even more should Evan Neal falter or not be healthy.
GVR played well at RG in Vegas, so perhaps that would bring about a flip of Runyan to LG.
Good to have experienced options when you relied on developmental options that were not up to the jobs last season. Different approach that might not have the higher ceiling, but absolutely the higher floor.

has stayed pretty healthy (a couple foot/toe issues), would come cheap and is a New York native (RVC).
Not a lot of downside.

Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
For what would likely be a minimum contract at this stage, it would make a lot of sense to add a veteran who started 17 games for Carmen Bricillo last season

with Runyan at LG and elumeanor also competing with Neal at RT. Best 2/3 play the right side, left side can remain in tact and Thomas can start getting chemistry with a guy who is likely to be here for 2-3 years. everyone is in their most comfortable positions, elumeanor and van roten in the same positions they played successfully for bricillo last year with neal forced to win his job.

of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

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of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

probably mostly a function of van roten holding out for money that wasnt there until the last minute.

he's 34 years old off the best year of his career and never made a lot of $, probably the last big payday of his life. a $4m offer vs a $3m offer is a big difference for a guy like him.

if neal isnt ready it's definitely a good thing for it to happen now when a guy like van roten is stil avail, and arguably a good thing in general since even healthy he hasnt proven to be better than elumeanor yet.

on Duggan, you bet
and Eric for sure we want the best player at each OL position: but we also do not want a repeat of last year’s camp of musical chairs when no chemistry or feel or trust was built. Gotta let Bricillo be the maestro here.

Galling to see Feliciano there.And the disappointment with Neal threatens to become deeper still

on Duggan, you bet
and Eric for sure we want the best player at each OL position: but we also do not want a repeat of last year’s camp of musical chairs when no chemistry or feel or trust was built. Gotta let Bricillo be the maestro here.

Galling to see Feliciano there.And the disappointment with Neal threatens to become deeper still

my guess is that van roten was hoping he had played well enough to land something like a 3-5m deal as zeitler and other veteran OL did. even someone like bredeson got 3m.

van roten was probably willing to wait until the last minute hoping that a deal like that materialized for him before being willing to sign closer to minimum.

if Neel isn't ready to return.

At least it would appear that they are preparing should that be the case.

It might take a while to completely get Neel back on the field and right - both mentally and physically.

Nothing wrong with having a contingency plan.

Get 5 great OLmen starting....and hopefully 3 backups that can step in and start

if he's got a lot left, but I do know that O'Donnell had all day to pass against the Giants.

isn't this a no-brainer at the right price (close to vet minimum)
Another potential starter and quality back up
No-brainer

The 2023 Raiders would be an outstanding floor for the Giants.

And it doesn't have to have anything to do with Neal. Right now when someone gets hurt, we are quickly relying on guys who were shaky or failed us last year, or are rookies.

securing the right side of this line in tact with Thomas at LT, Runyan at LG likely upgrading Parham, JMS at C, and Neal in the Thayer Munford role either backing up as swing tackle or beating out one of the above is a very ideal situation entering the season.



a more proven backup C in case JMS struggles would be the only remaining area of potential concern.

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

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of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

He might not be. But fans have anticipated (and wanted) Eluemunor to be our new RT since he was signed. If we sign GVW and we find out on Wednesday that Neal is starting the year on PUP and Eluemunor is going to be the RT, not too many people are going to be that upset.

the better..

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In comment 16557035 Gman11 said:

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if he's got a lot left, but I do know that O'Donnell had all day to pass against the Giants.

The fact that, per Eric on Li he's coming off his best year as a pro

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he's 34 years old off the best year of his career and never made a lot of $, probably the last big payday of his life. a $4m offer vs a $3m offer is a big difference for a guy like him

is another confirmation that offensive linemen don't necessarily sail off into the sunset once they reach mid-30s. The examples are legion, NYG just haven't had an OL to reach, or sign at, that stage in a long time. Our OL coaches made sure there was no longevity here, Zeitler (also 34), smh. Go back to Lomas Brown

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

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of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

That's my takeaway, they need to hedge against him not only being a straight-up bust but also not being available.

You could argue that being they were in the guard market and he worked with Bricillo in Oak, that there may have had interest early and our price was to low for him. Being unsigned now he probably is looking for the best fit for him to succeed and its possible he circled back to NYG.

With him and Runyon as our guards, Eluemunor can finally be officially the RT and stop with this talk about “Neal needs one more year to prove himself” because we have seen enough and can’t afford to watch him get Jones killed again this year. Too much is at stake….we have to go with proven guys….not guys who were drafted in the first round who we hope can play like a number one.

Get it done Schoen!

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

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of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

My thought completely

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

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of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

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We may know that soon. I think the lack of news about Neal may be news itself.

In comment 16557113 5BowlsSoon said:

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With him and Runyon as our guards, Eluemunor can finally be officially the RT and stop with this talk about “Neal needs one more year to prove himself” because we have seen enough and can’t afford to watch him get Jones killed again this year. Too much is at stake….we have to go with proven guys….not guys who were drafted in the first round who we hope can play like a number one. Get it done Schoen!

Agreed, would be a great signing. I would certainly let Neal earn a job, but by no means should he be handed a starting position.

Seems kind of high doesn't it or am I wrong?

In comment 16557118 Ivan15 said:

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In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said: Quote: of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready? __________ We may know that soon. I think the lack of news about Neal may be news itself.

This bit I don't buy. Teams keep injury news close to the vest as a matter of course. If Neal is still hobbled, it changes the negotiation with GVW, if there is to be one. Nobody knew that Theo Johnson had a hip issue until last week, but that we didn't know anything wasn't news.

too many offensive lineman. Bring them all on in....

But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT…

Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

I think is a case of hope for the best and plan for the worst with Neal.

Looks like the strategy is to be able to have choices among multiple players at most OL positions and get that group together early in the preseason as opposed to all the rotations they did last year late into the preseason.

If Neal isn’t ready, don’t count on him / bring him back too soon.

Let him be the swing back up tackle while he is getting healthy and be our planB should Thomas or Eluemunor go down.

In comment 16557160 90.Cal said:

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But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT… Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

what they do in the spring hardly matters. no contact, very few team reps. neal wasnt in bc he was hurt. the training camp/preseason reps in pads together is what matters, and id rather not chase whatever the choices were a few weeks ago than put people in their best spots.

that Neal's name was hardly--never?--mentioned. It really is bizarro world with NYG OL. Gotta believe Carmen will instill order and a path toward cohesion, whoever the dance partners are. Priceless to hear his inner thoughts in convo with BD on what he saw in '23 tape and what his plans are to fix this mess.

a few years back he was not a adequate player for the Jets.

and perhaps other posters read between the Tea leaves as well, but there was a lot of smoke about Neal not being ready in the spring, and the giants really weren't clear about saying that he "Should" be ready for camp. I said that when camp started I suspected there was going to be a problem with Neal's health.

Of course, nothing has been confirmed, but this is certainly interesting. Now, maybe they have had a chance to evaluate this spring and feel other depth options won't hurt, but still, I think Neal's health is an issue.

In comment 16557183 dairborn said:

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and perhaps other posters read between the Tea leaves as well, but there was a lot of smoke about Neal not being ready in the spring, and the giants really weren't clear about saying that he "Should" be ready for camp. I said that when camp started I suspected there was going to be a problem with Neal's health. Of course, nothing has been confirmed, but this is certainly interesting. Now, maybe they have had a chance to evaluate this spring and feel other depth options won't hurt, but still, I think Neal's health is an issue.

All of that may be true but Ezeudu has been injured a lot (including neck), Marcus M McKethan has been injured and shown little, we may have decided that keeping the middle protected is far more important with a more north south runners like Singletary and Gray.. Keeping Jones feet and knees clear most important as well..

He is one of their best 5.

AT - JRJ - JMS - GVR - Eluemunor

Of course the hope is Neal wins a spot. But this is very good insurance, especially this late in the off-season.

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But once we sign him to play RG, Runyan moves to LG and Eluemunor moves to RT… Lmao what a stupid stupid idea regarding to playing them out of position all spring… what OL geniuses we have had in our building the past decade

I get the Elumenor criticism, but how the hell is Runyan "out of position" at RG?? Look at his snap counts with the Packers..

evaluation of Neal? While depth is important, would a Van Wroten signing mean Eleumenor(sp?) be needed at right guard - at least for the beginning of the season?

does that count as a roster spot, or would the team need to cut somebody to sign GVW?

In comment 16557007 Eric from BBI said:

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of this is making me nervous.... is Neal not ready?

Maybe I missed it, but has Neal done anything physical at all yet to show he is ready to play? Perhaps we should be more nervous if they think Neal is ready :)

and let him start, but the internship has to end by now.