Daboll’s opinion of Barkley?

Because no sensible person in the giants org is going to publicly display their honest thoughts or emotions on a reality television show.

Well never know until he retires and writes a book.

I think after the Giants didn’t offer him the contract he expected last offseason, he was just bidding his time and wanted out.

“It [his time with the Giants] was over after that phone call, in my opinion,” Barkley told Russini in a snippet of a podcast interview released Monday. “I never in my heart truly believed that they were going to match it or they only wanted me for a lower price. So, no matter what I probably wasn’t going to go back.”

the Giants guys tend to be pretty tight lipped about their time in NY.

In comment 16557063 fanoftheteam said:

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Because no sensible person in the giants org is going to publicly display their honest thoughts or emotions on a reality television show. Well never know until he retires and writes a book.

He might be asked in an interview, but I doubt he”ll give his honest opinion.

i think we can assume we know the answer, but id be really fascinated to have any clues as to the thought process since we have clues as to schoens ($/value) and they probably dont apply as much to daboll.

Im so sick of the freaking Barkley Soap opera..

people are going overboard on this show.. Its not a freaking expose'. Its snippets of conversations.. We know how they felt.. they would bring him back at the right price.. its amazing people just to grasp that.

Most comments seem to think the Giants not resigning him was an indictment on his ability or value as a player. "Not that big a loss" says the OP.

They are not mutually exclusive. The Giants can think he is a great player and big loss - but at the same time believe that signing him would not be the best use of money now and especially longer term. If Barkley has a great year - it does not mean the Giants were wrong.

In comment 16557080 Reale01 said:

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Most comments seem to think the Giants not resigning him was an indictment on his ability or value as a player. "Not that big a loss" says the OP. They are not mutually exclusive. The Giants can think he is a great player and big loss - but at the same time believe that signing him would not be the best use of money now and especially longer term. If Barkley has a great year - it does not mean the Giants were wrong.

This. He basically signed for the same money they offered him 2 Yees ago. He has another season of wear and tear and had their price.

# 2 Barkley is a butt hurt bitch. They might have matched. There isn't a person on the planet who knew what he would get offered. I hope all these guys get as much as they can but everyone bargains for what they think is best.

I wanted them to sign him a year ago. This year easterly happy to let him walk. Always banged up. Soooo many people wa tee him gone. Hated the pick. The. When he goes the whining is nuts.

Philly is desperate to take the heat off of Hurts. And their window is shrinking. He was worth more to Philly than NY. Simple

Daboll was asked by Joe multiple times if we was OK with "motor" talking about Singletary

And he answered "YES" without even a small pause.
It was like the scene in Step Brothers when one character asks if they just became best friends.

So I think we totally on board with the decision.

It was only under Dabs that I ever saw 26 put his head down and run into the back of the O-line for the gritty 2 yd gain. Thats when it became apparent he has shitty hole vision for a RB. He relied on dancing too much which worked great in college.

In comment 16557119 penkap75 said:

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It was only under Dabs that I ever saw 26 put his head down and run into the back of the O-line for the gritty 2 yd gain. Thats when it became apparent he has shitty hole vision for a RB. He relied on dancing too much which worked great in college.

Or maybe it’s be because the o-line was crap

Dabs was in the room when Schoen and Brown were talking about the allocation of cap space. He seemed to agree that the higher priorities were attempting to improve the offensive line and pass rush. Once money was spent on the offensive line and Burns, it was clear that signing Barkley was going to be difficult. Then Barkley got the big offer that the Giants could not match. You will never know what Dabs said in private, but he did not seem to object that Barkley was not the highest priority for allocating cap space. If he did object, you would never see that on camera.

the Giants were right to pass. At best Barkley was a luxury the Giants cannot afford at this time. At worst, he was an injury prone RB who never fulfilled his draft position. Either way, wish him the best except for two games each year and applaud the Giants for not using money desperately need elsewhere.

In comment 16557189 norripe said:

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Dabs was in the room when Schoen and Brown were talking about the allocation of cap space. He seemed to agree that the higher priorities were attempting to improve the offensive line and pass rush. Once money was spent on the offensive line and Burns, it was clear that signing Barkley was going to be difficult. Then Barkley got the big offer that the Giants could not match. You will never know what Dabs said in private, but he did not seem to object that Barkley was not the highest priority for allocating cap space. If he did object, you would never see that on camera.

Daboll seemed very bullish on Motor. Which tells me he's very comfortable solving the running game without Barkley.

I suspect we'll never REALLY know.

He’s gone and that’s that!
Not signing him gave us room to improve the O-Line, get Burns and sign him to a new deal improving the defense. So in my opinion, and we know about opinions😂 we’re better off.
Does this answer the OP absolutely not, but I will say by the look on Daboll’s face, and his silence says it all.

Afterthought. The Bills running game while Dabes was there. He's one of these newfangled coaches that's all about the passing game. Having a running game is like a luxury to these guys. So when he got here, he had to 'adapt'. But deep down he probably doesn't think it matters much. That ownership was in full bloom love with their RB at the time was just something he had to deal with. But given a choice, he'll likely put almost all the resources into the passing game.

Or failed to look downfield at streaking wide open receivers, BD would point to the blue tablet, then toss it aside as DJ responded with a blank stare, In Buffalo BD had Josh Allen……here…..he inherited DG’s golden ticket pick. The new O line has got to give Jones time, to wipe away his severe QB PTSD.

In comment 16557123 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16557119 penkap75 said: Quote: It was only under Dabs that I ever saw 26 put his head down and run into the back of the O-line for the gritty 2 yd gain. Thats when it became apparent he has shitty hole vision for a RB. He relied on dancing too much which worked great in college. Or maybe it’s be because the o-line was crap

We did have a shit o-line. But JAG rbs like Gallman were able to grind 3-4 yards with same shit O-line. Saquon has some the worse NFL rb vision/instincts when it comes to hitting the right holes hard.

In comment 16557189 norripe said:

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Dabs was in the room when Schoen and Brown were talking about the allocation of cap space. He seemed to agree that the higher priorities were attempting to improve the offensive line and pass rush. Once money was spent on the offensive line and Burns, it was clear that signing Barkley was going to be difficult. Then Barkley got the big offer that the Giants could not match. You will never know what Dabs said in private, but he did not seem to object that Barkley was not the highest priority for allocating cap space. If he did object, you would never see that on camera.

my theory is daboll said burn the boats. yes barkley would have cost some resources they could spend elsewhere, but i think more important he was a crutch daboll didnt want. when things werent going well it may have been tempting to try to just lean on barkley, give him carries waiting for a home run, and eek out wins like the houston game in 2022.

i dont think that's the offense daboll wants to run and i think he wanted to force the adaptation, sink or swim, without any life jacket.

sean payton made a similar decision in cutting russell wilson. he told ownership he was cutting him knowing he's still a good player, but he didnt care. he didnt fit what he wanted so he did it.

Then you have to believe there are more sophisticated data driven discussions off camera. Hard knocks focuses on market value and the obvious things that aren't insulting to Barkley. But I have to believe that when the camera is off...or where they are denying the use of footage...that there are some honest discussions about the probability of his next injury and other discussions about his running style. Perhaps the Giants offense simply can't function well with an RB who can break a big gain but loses yards on too many plays. They have stats on holes missed. They have his game speed decreasing over the season.

There is much more to it than we see.

and doesnt want it to be built around a RB, he wants to spread you out and beat you with the passing game with the Running game playing off of that..

I believe Philly is in decline overall. Their OL lost their leader, they 2nd best OL is 34. The young players they have drafted the last 3 years have not been as good as their predecessors. Since Hurts injured his shoulder in 2022 he hasn’t been very good.

If Philly doesn’t improve this season with Barkley and his top of market salary I think it will look bad on Barkley. He was their prize signing.

In comment 16557345 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16557189 norripe said: Quote: Dabs was in the room when Schoen and Brown were talking about the allocation of cap space. He seemed to agree that the higher priorities were attempting to improve the offensive line and pass rush. Once money was spent on the offensive line and Burns, it was clear that signing Barkley was going to be difficult. Then Barkley got the big offer that the Giants could not match. You will never know what Dabs said in private, but he did not seem to object that Barkley was not the highest priority for allocating cap space. If he did object, you would never see that on camera. my theory is daboll said burn the boats. yes barkley would have cost some resources they could spend elsewhere, but i think more important he was a crutch daboll didnt want. when things werent going well it may have been tempting to try to just lean on barkley, give him carries waiting for a home run, and eek out wins like the houston game in 2022. i dont think that's the offense daboll wants to run and i think he wanted to force the adaptation, sink or swim, without any life jacket. sean payton made a similar decision in cutting russell wilson. he told ownership he was cutting him knowing he's still a good player, but he didnt care. he didnt fit what he wanted so he did it.

That's a great way to phrase it, and I agree. Dabs was ready to close the Barkley chapter and invest the savings in protecting and the getting after QBs.

was Dabolls fast and emphatic sign off on bringing in Singletary to replace him. Believe his response was "hell yeah" when asked if he was OK with Singletary. Certainly didn't sound concerned. I'm sure he likes Saquon, I think he'd just prefer to build the team differetly.