I found it interesting that Barkley called out Schoen specifically saying this is what "Joe thought of me."
I actually do agree with Barkley here. Schoen didn't want him back, and he should have just thanked him and move on. The idea of testing the market and coming back to Schoen just showed Schoen was completely off on the RB market. It's clear Barkley got multiple offers above what Schoen pegged the market at. As a GM, you'd like to have a better idea of where the market is at.
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A) Sign Barkley and keep the OL line pretty much the same.
B) Don't resign Barkley and have the money to sign some good
vet OL men to protect the QB and help the run game with a
little lesser of a running back.
Schoen and Daboll chose B - and I really don't blame him.
Barkley was offered essentially the same thing he signed for this year in the previous season. It was Barkley and his agent that misread the market.
And, if there was a better offer to him, then he would not have signed with the Eagles.
Set a value on a player, let the player see if they can get more, and optionally if the player wants to be on your team, allow them to share their best offer with you for a chance to match or get close to the offer.
this is sports and it's a business.
It was the BEST move for both parties. I've had enough of Giants fans whining and complaining about Saquon on his way out, you just come across as absolute losers.
And if you want to mention the offers the Giants gave him last year, they certainly were not what he ended up getting from the Eagles, so he made the RIGHT move not to sign for less money with us.
Saquon in his time here was the epitome of what being a New York Giant is and should be (the anti-Odell). I choose to look back at that time with a positive outlook and not be a crying baby because of how it ended.
It was the BEST move for both parties. I've had enough of Giants fans whining and complaining about Saquon on his way out, you just come across as absolute losers.
And if you want to mention the offers the Giants gave him last year, they certainly were not what he ended up getting from the Eagles, so he made the RIGHT move not to sign for less money with us.
It was reported that the Giants offered 3 yrs at $12.5 mill and $22 mill gtd - ok, the Eagles offered $26 mill gtd. So the Giants offer, a year and a half earlier was in the ballpark.
Yes, he has some incentives available with the Eagles that may not have been offered by the Giants - we didn't get that far.
Saquon can fuck off. I wanted him at 2 so I have to eat crow but talk about a guy with an inflated ego. He had one great season here and one good one. The rest of it is all very forgettable and now he goes to the Eagles and talks shit starting with that stunt he pulled with his daughter.
Schoen did his best to sign him and would have gladly tagged DJ.
He then fires his agent, and now a year later, he blames Schoen. Give me a break. I'm all set with Saquon the tip toe bandit.
Exactly. The OP can't say Schoen didn't want him back in one breath and in the next breath say he misread the market. It can't be both. Either he didn't want him back and didn't give a shit about the market or he was willing to take him back and needed it to be for their number.
Hey come on now. That's the "face of the franchise" and "identity of the offense" you're talking about there.
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was all class in that interview. I am assuming a bunch of fans will watch one clip and formulate their opinions on that one clip.
It was the BEST move for both parties. I've had enough of Giants fans whining and complaining about Saquon on his way out, you just come across as absolute losers.
And if you want to mention the offers the Giants gave him last year, they certainly were not what he ended up getting from the Eagles, so he made the RIGHT move not to sign for less money with us.
It was reported that the Giants offered 3 yrs at $12.5 mill and $22 mill gtd - ok, the Eagles offered $26 mill gtd. So the Giants offer, a year and a half earlier was in the ballpark.
Yes, he has some incentives available with the Eagles that may not have been offered by the Giants - we didn't get that far.
Quit being a baby, bro.
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And if you want to mention the offers the Giants gave him last year, they certainly were not what he ended up getting from the Eagles, so he made the RIGHT move not to sign for less money with us.
“Per a league source with knowledge of the situation, the Giants extended an offer to Barkley worth $13 million per year, including $26 million over the first two years. “
The Giants offered him more on an APY basis than the Eagles. Less guaranteed And a year earlier. So, no the Eagles offer wasn’t really any better.
Barkley ultimately secured contracts at a value of 47.85M with 36.1M guaranteed for the 2023-2026 seasons.
He took a risk playing on the tender, and at minimum he will earn an additional 14.1M because of it.
Barkley ultimately secured contracts at a value of 47.85M with 36.1M guaranteed for the 2023-2026 seasons.
He took a risk playing on the tender, and at minimum he will earn an additional 14.1M because of it.
These facts seem to be ignored by the upset Giant fan.
It was the BEST move for both parties. I've had enough of Giants fans whining and complaining about Saquon on his way out, you just come across as absolute losers.
And if you want to mention the offers the Giants gave him last year, they certainly were not what he ended up getting from the Eagles, so he made the RIGHT move not to sign for less money with us.
Saquon in his time here was the epitome of what being a New York Giant is and should be (the anti-Odell). I choose to look back at that time with a positive outlook and not be a crying baby because of how it ended.
Totally agree with you!
Barkley ultimately secured contracts at a value of 47.85M with 36.1M guaranteed for the 2023-2026 seasons.
He took a risk playing on the tender, and at minimum he will earn an additional 14.1M because of it.
That $47 is with incentives and the base contract we have seen was 3 yrs, $12.5 mill and $26 mill gtd...not sure where you got you numbers.
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Barkley ultimately secured contracts at a value of 47.85M with 36.1M guaranteed for the 2023-2026 seasons.
He took a risk playing on the tender, and at minimum he will earn an additional 14.1M because of it.
absolutely right, but also this is one of those transactions that worked out well for both the player and the team. people get too emotional to agree.
Saquon gambled on himself and won, and the Giants get to free up $$ and reset the RB position to get a player who is in their prime when the Giants are contending and not pay a RB top of the scale, wasting precious cap dollars, while they're not a contender.
Yes he was their best offensive player and that's the headline for the media, but being the best player on a shitty offense doesn't get the team much.
That with the fact that the Giants pulled an offer from Saquon in 2023 and gave him a worse offer at the end of the season. That offer was actually worse than Barkley being tagged twice.
They also refused to trade him at the deadline to a contender last year and they also negotiated incentives in his tag like amount of TDs - which he fell 1 short of by the way. (I wonder how he felt seeing the Giants desperately try and get Sterling Shephard a TD in the second half of the last game instead of himself ? )
His numbers should dramatically improve in Philly... it was still the right call by Joe and Dabs
After it went down I dug into Barkley vs Singletary and they averaged the same yards per touch, somewhere about 4.3. The big difference is Barkley averaged something like 21 touches per game to Singletary's 14.
I also don't think Daboll wants to give any back 20+ touches a game so if he can match production per snap we shouldnt see much drop off
Barkley ultimately secured contracts at a value of 47.85M with 36.1M guaranteed for the 2023-2026 seasons.
He took a risk playing on the tender, and at minimum he will earn an additional 14.1M because of it.
That $47 is with incentives and the base contract we have seen was 3 yrs, $12.5 mill and $26 mill gtd...not sure where you got you numbers. OTC Barkley - ( New Window )
That's not what I am referring to.
The Giants gave Barley 10.1M guaranteed dollars in 2023 + the Eagles gave him 26M in guarantees over 2024-2026.
The most rational outcome for both sides was Saquon to leave and get the most money he can in what is always a short career and Schoen to use the money that might have been spent retaining Saquon elsewhere on a shitty roster.
The most rational outcome for both sides was Saquon to leave and get the most money he can in what is always a short career and Schoen to use the money that might have been spent retaining Saquon elsewhere on a shitty roster.
Yup and that's really the bottom line.
This ego drama here.
This ego drama here.
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Team Barkley read the market pretty damn well. The Giants reportedly offered 3/33M with 22M guaranteed for the 2023-2025 seasons.
Barkley ultimately secured contracts at a value of 47.85M with 36.1M guaranteed for the 2023-2026 seasons.
He took a risk playing on the tender, and at minimum he will earn an additional 14.1M because of it.
That $47 is with incentives and the base contract we have seen was 3 yrs, $12.5 mill and $26 mill gtd...not sure where you got you numbers. OTC Barkley - ( New Window )
That's not what I am referring to.
The Giants gave Barley 10.1M guaranteed dollars in 2023 + the Eagles gave him 26M in guarantees over 2024-2026.
He turned down basically the same deal in Nov 2022 - but with a smaller $22 m gtd amount. The reported (not verified) numbers were 3 yrs $12 or 12.5 per / $22 m gtd....
It doesn't matter now. Schoen really didn't want him back at those numbers.
It was the BEST move for both parties. I've had enough of Giants fans whining and complaining about Saquon on his way out, you just come across as absolute losers.
And if you want to mention the offers the Giants gave him last year, they certainly were not what he ended up getting from the Eagles, so he made the RIGHT move not to sign for less money with us.
Saquon in his time here was the epitome of what being a New York Giant is and should be (the anti-Odell). I choose to look back at that time with a positive outlook and not be a crying baby because of how it ended.
+1
With the addition that allowing him to test the market was the class move by the team and to SB’s benefit. The Giants could have tagged him again, which he didn’t want. So being sore about that is misplaced on his part imo.
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you posted Saquon's year-by-year productivity here without identifying him, many would be surprised.
After it went down I dug into Barkley vs Singletary and they averaged the same yards per touch, somewhere about 4.3. The big difference is Barkley averaged something like 21 touches per game to Singletary's 14.
I also don't think Daboll wants to give any back 20+ touches a game so if he can match production per snap we shouldnt see much drop off
I find these comparisons misleading. Football isn’t played in a lab. The 2 backs played behind 2 different OL, 2 different QBs, and different game situations.
They are very different backs. They do different things well. A case can be made Singletary fits this team better. But a case that they are the same with one cheaper than the other can’t be.
There are 2 questions:
1) Did Barkley make a good or bad decision turning down that deal? The answer to that is unequivocally "good" decision. He secured the franchise tender of 10.1M and then a contract with more guaranteed money. Instead of 22-23M in guarantees, he secured 36.1M.
2) Did the Giants make a good decision by managing him off the team? That's TBD.
No Ring of Honor now and all the amenities that come with it.
Even with the losing he could’ve cemented himself as an immortal in NY sports history.
And he left over a million $$$ in the short term.
Schoen wanted him back for sure, I don’t think it’s right to say the Giants had zero interest. They were hoping he came back at their price and played the long game.
I agree with you 100%. Move on please.
If it all works out, great. If the qb puts up another mediocre year, not that his fans will know the difference, then it's going to be Schoen's head in the noose. He chose the path.
This x 1,000. We can possibly fault Schoen for not having a read on the RB market, but the reality is that the top of the market was too rich for him. I’m not sure what Saquon is complaining about - Schoen did him a huge favor by allowing him to test the market rather than slapping the FT on him.
At this point, I don’t really care how it went down. Barkley is an Eagle, I don’t see the need to discuss him other than when we’re playing Philly.
There are 2 questions:
1) Did Barkley make a good or bad decision turning down that deal? The answer to that is unequivocally "good" decision. He secured the franchise tender of 10.1M and then a contract with more guaranteed money. Instead of 22-23M in guarantees, he secured 36.1M.
2) Did the Giants make a good decision by managing him off the team? That's TBD.
I never saw the $11 mill and frankly nobody on BBI has ever said that number(well, that I saw). I always read 3 at $12/12.5 and those are the only reported numbers I ever saw here. But 3 at $33 mill would have been light, yes. Rumor I remember was he wanted $13 mill AAV.
I still do not see his $36.1 gtd. OTC has $26 mill. If it was $36 mill gtd, that is a significant boost, absolutely.
He should have known how angry the Giant fanbase is now that he signed with a hated in-division rival. Signing with the Texans would not sting at all, and he could win with them also.
Now he is dead to me. ;-)
Personally, I like the approach. I want the passing game to be the focus and strength of the offense. I want the Giants to put all of the responsibility on Jones.
A) Sign Barkley and keep the OL line pretty much the same.
B) Don't resign Barkley and have the money to sign some good
vet OL men to protect the QB and help the run game with a
little lesser of a running back.
Schoen and Daboll chose B - and I really don't blame him.
Exactly
And the value Barkley had for the Giants was less than for the Eagles. I think they over-paid - but a difference maker is valuable when you are chasing a ring.
The fact Barkley bet on himself, rejected the LT offer, played on the tag and wound up getting another $26M means the right way to look at it is he got $36M guaranteed from 2023 - 2026.
Go Big Blue!