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Sean : 7/23/2024 7:35 am
I found it interesting that Barkley called out Schoen specifically saying this is what "Joe thought of me."

I actually do agree with Barkley here. Schoen didn't want him back, and he should have just thanked him and move on. The idea of testing the market and coming back to Schoen just showed Schoen was completely off on the RB market. It's clear Barkley got multiple offers above what Schoen pegged the market at. As a GM, you'd like to have a better idea of where the market is at.
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RE: RE: Managerial ineptitude of the highest order  
dslayton86 : 7/23/2024 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16557624 RCPhoenix said:
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In comment 16557506 The Mike said:


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This story never ends because of the imbecilic way that Schoen handled this entire episode. First, DJ should have been tagged last year and SB should have been either let go or signed to the two year deal they originally offered him in 2022. Second, Schoen should have traded Barkley at the 2023 trade deadline and gotten some draft compensation while possibly directing Saquon to an AFC destination so as to not materially affect our franchise in the future.

And then, having not done either of these blindingly obvious things, and given that Schoen had no interest in signing SB this year anyway, Schoen should have either tagged Barkley again with the idea of trading him under the tag, or simply let Saquon walk with ZERO drama. This slow drip of syrupy inauthenticity on behalf of fan sentimentality is among the most cringeworthy things I have ever observed in an NFL front office.

So this "story that never ends" is entirely the fault of the management of this team and an indication that they are clueless on how to manage the most simple and basic of tasks.



Is your argument that basically telling Barkley 'get lost' would have had zero drama? I don't think Schoen letting Barkley test the market was a bad decision, or even close to the other two bad decisions made previously. That is, I don't disagree about the mistakes made on not trading Barkley or tagging Jones. Maybe one day we'll get the real story on why those decisions were made.

I think it's pretty clear that there is 0% chance Mara would allow Schoen to trade "our most popular player" in the middle of the season last year. So just think Schoen should get 0 blame for not making a move.
RE: RE: Managerial ineptitude of the highest order  
The Mike : 7/23/2024 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16557624 RCPhoenix said:
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In comment 16557506 The Mike said:


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This story never ends because of the imbecilic way that Schoen handled this entire episode. First, DJ should have been tagged last year and SB should have been either let go or signed to the two year deal they originally offered him in 2022. Second, Schoen should have traded Barkley at the 2023 trade deadline and gotten some draft compensation while possibly directing Saquon to an AFC destination so as to not materially affect our franchise in the future.

And then, having not done either of these blindingly obvious things, and given that Schoen had no interest in signing SB this year anyway, Schoen should have either tagged Barkley again with the idea of trading him under the tag, or simply let Saquon walk with ZERO drama. This slow drip of syrupy inauthenticity on behalf of fan sentimentality is among the most cringeworthy things I have ever observed in an NFL front office.

So this "story that never ends" is entirely the fault of the management of this team and an indication that they are clueless on how to manage the most simple and basic of tasks.



Is your argument that basically telling Barkley 'get lost' would have had zero drama? I don't think Schoen letting Barkley test the market was a bad decision, or even close to the other two bad decisions made previously. That is, I don't disagree about the mistakes made on not trading Barkley or tagging Jones. Maybe one day we'll get the real story on why those decisions were made.


I simply would have treated this man with respect from the beginning. He deserved that from this organization. Blaming him for being drafted second and being referred to as the man touched by the hand of God is ridiculous. He is a very talented player who did his best here to elevate the team. In the end, they didn't value him. So if they didn't want him this year, then either trade him at the 2023 deadline, tag him and trade him to get some value, or let him go. Nickel and diming him last year at the precise moment that they were galactically overpaying DJ was dumb enough. Not learning from this, and the obvious detrimental impact this had on the psychology of the locker room last year, and now trying to act like they really like his popularity but just don't value him, makes the Giants front office look completely out of touch with reality.

But now that they have transmorphed into a pass first offense so it doesn't matter anyway. DJ will just need to pick up the slack and completely carry the offensive load in 2024. Should be a thrill a minute!
THE simplest way to put the Barkely non sense to rest  
Shecky : 7/23/2024 1:47 pm : link
If barkley played for, say the Falcons...

Who here would be upset at Schoen for not offering him 3/$36mm with $25mm guaranteed?

I venture to say not one poster on BBI would have clamoring for that signing this offseason.

Well, unless Mara posts here of course.
RE: THE simplest way to put the Barkely non sense to rest  
Dnew15 : 7/23/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16557649 Shecky said:
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If barkley played for, say the Falcons...

Who here would be upset at Schoen for not offering him 3/$36mm with $25mm guaranteed?

I venture to say not one poster on BBI would have clamoring for that signing this offseason.

Well, unless Mara posts here of course.


Great point.
Oh Poor Saquon  
Bernie : 7/23/2024 1:56 pm : link
Cry me a river. Have fun playing in the cesspool known as Philadelphia. I hope you’re their latest Nnamdi Asamoah. See you week 6
RE: RE: RE: Managerial ineptitude of the highest order  
RCPhoenix : 7/23/2024 3:22 pm : link
In comment 16557644 The Mike said:
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In comment 16557624 RCPhoenix said:


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In comment 16557506 The Mike said:


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This story never ends because of the imbecilic way that Schoen handled this entire episode. First, DJ should have been tagged last year and SB should have been either let go or signed to the two year deal they originally offered him in 2022. Second, Schoen should have traded Barkley at the 2023 trade deadline and gotten some draft compensation while possibly directing Saquon to an AFC destination so as to not materially affect our franchise in the future.

And then, having not done either of these blindingly obvious things, and given that Schoen had no interest in signing SB this year anyway, Schoen should have either tagged Barkley again with the idea of trading him under the tag, or simply let Saquon walk with ZERO drama. This slow drip of syrupy inauthenticity on behalf of fan sentimentality is among the most cringeworthy things I have ever observed in an NFL front office.

So this "story that never ends" is entirely the fault of the management of this team and an indication that they are clueless on how to manage the most simple and basic of tasks.



Is your argument that basically telling Barkley 'get lost' would have had zero drama? I don't think Schoen letting Barkley test the market was a bad decision, or even close to the other two bad decisions made previously. That is, I don't disagree about the mistakes made on not trading Barkley or tagging Jones. Maybe one day we'll get the real story on why those decisions were made.



I simply would have treated this man with respect from the beginning. He deserved that from this organization. Blaming him for being drafted second and being referred to as the man touched by the hand of God is ridiculous. He is a very talented player who did his best here to elevate the team. In the end, they didn't value him. So if they didn't want him this year, then either trade him at the 2023 deadline, tag him and trade him to get some value, or let him go. Nickel and diming him last year at the precise moment that they were galactically overpaying DJ was dumb enough. Not learning from this, and the obvious detrimental impact this had on the psychology of the locker room last year, and now trying to act like they really like his popularity but just don't value him, makes the Giants front office look completely out of touch with reality.

But now that they have transmorphed into a pass first offense so it doesn't matter anyway. DJ will just need to pick up the slack and completely carry the offensive load in 2024. Should be a thrill a minute!


He doesn't 'deserve' anything. Maybe they were interested in him but at a much lower price than he wanted. I'm not blaming Barkley for being drafted where he was. But when you talk about the front office being out of touch with reality, drafting him at #2 and not listening to any trade offers is far worse than letting him test the market and come back with numbers.
RE: RE: Would surely like to know  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/23/2024 3:27 pm : link
In comment 16557468 uther99 said:
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what the Texans and/or other teams offered Barkley. I have a feeling those numbers were close to what he got, and perhaps he could have waited a little and drove his price north a bit.

He should have known how angry the Giant fanbase is now that he signed with a hated in-division rival. Signing with the Texans would not sting at all, and he could win with them also.

Now he is dead to me. ;-)



I doubt pro athletes care what a fanbase thinks of him/her

Maybe they shouldn't care, but it's extremely clear that Barkley absolutely cares what the Giants fanbase thinks of him. He wanted to go get his money, sign with his old team's archrival, and still remain beloved by the original fans. Barkley got the contract he was seeking, so you'd think he'd be happy, but somehow he remains concerned with how he's viewed among Giants fans and he seems surprised that he's not being regarded kindly right now.
RE: RE: RE: Would surely like to know  
Greg from LI : 7/23/2024 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16557715 Gatorade Dunk said:
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somehow he remains concerned with how he's viewed among Giants fans and he seems surprised that he's not being regarded kindly right now.


It's kind of hilarious, really. "Why don't they still love me after I signed with their bitterest rival??"
RE: I'm a huge Barkley fan  
MookGiants : 7/23/2024 3:49 pm : link
In comment 16557364 Pete from Woodstock said:
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but it looks like it came down to:

A) Sign Barkley and keep the OL line pretty much the same.

B) Don't resign Barkley and have the money to sign some good
vet OL men to protect the QB and help the run game with a
little lesser of a running back.

Schoen and Daboll chose B - and I really don't blame him.


I'm genuinely curious how one is a "huge saquon barkley fan" as a Giants fan.

He's been the face of a franchise that has been one of the 2 or 3 worst in the entire sport the 5 years he was here.

They wasted the #2 pick on him. No other way around it he was an absolutely atrocious pick.

He had 2 good years for the Giants. He was either hurt or at best mediocre in the other 3.

It's frightening that people watched this team the last 5 years and still wanted to bring Barkley back or still love him. I've never seen a player more overrated than him in my life, in any sport.
RE: THE simplest way to put the Barkely non sense to rest  
bw in dc : 7/23/2024 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16557649 Shecky said:
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If barkley played for, say the Falcons...

Who here would be upset at Schoen for not offering him 3/$36mm with $25mm guaranteed?

I venture to say not one poster on BBI would have clamoring for that signing this offseason.

Well, unless Mara posts here of course.


Well said. I have made the same point using Jones.

If we needed a QB, and weren't in the best draft position to draft one, would anyone be clamoring for Daniel Jones if he was a FA?

I never get an answer. Which isn't a surprise because the answer is a resounding NFW.
RE: Managerial ineptitude of the highest order  
Eric on Li : 7/23/2024 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16557506 The Mike said:
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This story never ends because of the imbecilic way that Schoen handled this entire episode. First, DJ should have been tagged last year and SB should have been either let go or signed to the two year deal they originally offered him in 2022. Second, Schoen should have traded Barkley at the 2023 trade deadline and gotten some draft compensation while possibly directing Saquon to an AFC destination so as to not materially affect our franchise in the future.

And then, having not done either of these blindingly obvious things, and given that Schoen had no interest in signing SB this year anyway, Schoen should have either tagged Barkley again with the idea of trading him under the tag, or simply let Saquon walk with ZERO drama. This slow drip of syrupy inauthenticity on behalf of fan sentimentality is among the most cringeworthy things I have ever observed in an NFL front office.

So this "story that never ends" is entirely the fault of the management of this team and an indication that they are clueless on how to manage the most simple and basic of tasks.


missed this earlier just want to say i agree with those that called out this excellent post.

1 further point id add, the slow drip of syrupy stupidity resulted in nyg not having control over sending barkley wherever they wanted via trade either now or prior, and ended up with Howie Roseman eating the pancakes. That farther drips this whole saga out and if it directly improves a rival its all the more mismanaged. especially now knowing there were other teams bidding on barkley and presumably would have been fine taking him on the tag even if it were for no more than a vanity pick.
Most of you wanted him gone. He's gone.  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/23/2024 4:41 pm : link
They should have traded him but Mara didn't want That.

He got paid. He's the biggest fucking pussy on the planet. Never healthy and a now a bitchy whiner. They could have tagged him. Lost all respect for him.

Whiny bitch that can't move on. Like some here.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 7/23/2024 4:56 pm : link
1) For what it's worth, in a recent interview with Dianna Russini, Barkley said it was over before he hung up that phone. As soon as Schoen said he should test the market, he knew he wasn't coming back and wasn't really wanted back. That whole charade on Schoen's part was transparent and weak. It doesn't matter if it was to save face for Mara or not.

2) If that really was for Mara's sake, how freaking weak is he already. Get over it.

3) From Barkley's perspective, why wouldn't he leave for the greatest offer? The Giants, as a team and organization don't offer him anywhere near the best chance to win. So go out and get paid. And he did, with a much better chance to win.

4) I admit, I loved the pick. I also think he is still super talented and capable of great seasons. He will probably shine behind that OL. But, it was still the correct decision to not re-sign him.

5) As The Mike said, not re-signing him was the culmination of several mis-steps by the organization the last couple of years with Barkley.
RE: RE: I'm a huge Barkley fan  
RCPhoenix : 7/23/2024 5:04 pm : link
In comment 16557725 MookGiants said:
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In comment 16557364 Pete from Woodstock said:


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but it looks like it came down to:

A) Sign Barkley and keep the OL line pretty much the same.

B) Don't resign Barkley and have the money to sign some good
vet OL men to protect the QB and help the run game with a
little lesser of a running back.

Schoen and Daboll chose B - and I really don't blame him.




I'm genuinely curious how one is a "huge saquon barkley fan" as a Giants fan.

He's been the face of a franchise that has been one of the 2 or 3 worst in the entire sport the 5 years he was here.

They wasted the #2 pick on him. No other way around it he was an absolutely atrocious pick.

He had 2 good years for the Giants. He was either hurt or at best mediocre in the other 3.

It's frightening that people watched this team the last 5 years and still wanted to bring Barkley back or still love him. I've never seen a player more overrated than him in my life, in any sport.


It's not just that they wasted the pick, it's that they didn't even entertain offers to trade down. Instead of building draft capital on what a lousy roster, DG did his man love thing.
Sounds like Philly overpaid for once  
Rudy5757 : 7/23/2024 5:43 pm : link
Considering how many teams needed a RB and he only got 3 offers I think Philly definitely overpaid.

I think Schoen was playing the game for ownerships sake but never really wanted him back or they were hoping the number was $8-$9 mil a season and they would have resigned him. It’s clear the Giants weren’t going to go back to the original offers from a year ago.

If Barkley has a great year it’s still not a bad move for the Giants. The only way it’s a bad move for the Giants is if Philly wins the Super Bowl. Short of that it’s just a player that went to another team. Barkleys track record says that he will have 1 good year out of the next 3. I’d rather have Singletary and the extra cash, I don’t think the stats of the 2 players will be that different.
Lots of folks here  
Mike from Ohio : 7/23/2024 8:30 pm : link
Seem upset about a player with almost no impact on this franchise.

McKinney was a more significant loss to the Giants than Barkley was.
For anyone that’s hanging on to wondering why SB keft  
Shecky : 7/23/2024 11:33 pm : link
There is zero, and I mean ZERO doubts after listening to this.
He was butthurt about how the negotiations went the last 18 months. And hasn’t bled blue since then. And WANTED out, especially to go to the Eagles.

As. Person, one of the nicest athletes I’ve ever met.
As a Giants fan, FUCK SNAQUON!!!!!!!
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Saqoun Barkley  
fanoftheteam : 7/24/2024 12:45 am : link
Is a Perrenial Victim.
When the Giants went 7-2 in 2022  
HardTruth : 7/24/2024 8:56 am : link
Saquon Barkley led the NFL in rushing with 931 yards and 6 TDs. He had an additional 200 yds receiving and 1 game winning 2 pt conversion
RE: When the Giants went 7-2 in 2022  
Shecky : 7/24/2024 9:21 am : link
In comment 16558302 HardTruth said:
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Saquon Barkley led the NFL in rushing with 931 yards and 6 TDs. He had an additional 200 yds receiving and 1 game winning 2 pt conversion


That’s the season he finished with 1,300 on the ground and ten TDs?
I still think the split  
David B. : 7/24/2024 11:12 am : link
was the best thing for both parties. You keep Barkley and McKinney, you don't get to address the OL holes or get Burns. Upgrading the OL and the pass rush probably does more positives for the team than having an injury prone, 27 year-old RB behind a still-shitty O line, and an overpaid Safety.

It wasn't that Schoen "didn't want Barkley back" (at all), he just couldn't bring him back at Barkley's price.

It wasn't personal. It was a business decision, IMO the right one, and I'm glad Schoen made it.

As for Barkley, if he can stay on the field (a big IF), he's certainly set up for more success in Philly's offense.

Barkley is a great guy who's head and heart are in the right place. It's frankly a shame his best years were ultimately wasted with the Giants. I wish him success -- except when he's playing against the Giants.
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