their chance to have a very good and prosperous career, but Toney is the one I'm most aware of. I guess he may finally focus, but all evidence is that he will be broke in a couple of years (or maybe he's a savvy investor who hates football and has a great job lined up...?)
I think his biggest flaw as a player is that he moves in a way that is very tough on the joints. So many sudden and explosive cuts that you just don't normally see on the football field. I don't think most people can play that Barry Sanders style without increasing their odds of injury by a significant amount. I think this affected Barkley to some degree as well.
So I don't think him going to the RB position where he'll be cutting even more is going to help.
that I do not have an answer to, but I have a mild opinion.
Who would you rather have right now on the roster?
Kadarius Toney still on his rookie deal $2.5M
Retired Darren Waller and his $7.5M in dead money between this and next season
That original Toney trade is like a chain letter that keeps showing up and cursing them.
They were in a position to draft a top 5 defender, and instead got a few bootie years out of Toney, Waller, Neal, some dead money, Bellinger, and Hawkins.
Toney is the worse first round pick the Giants have made in this century. They have had a ton of bad first round picks but Toney tops them all. He was an athlete and not a wide receiver that ran the full route tree, on top of having character concerns. He was a clearly a gadget player that should not have been touched anywhere near the top 50 picks.
of drafting these WRs from pop gun college offenses too. I remember a lot was made of Toney's lack of route running awareness and he never shored it up.
That isn't mistaken for being lightning quick either, which he is. There's still a lot more to it, and that's what he was struggling with here beyond the attitude issues.
And if he can't pick up Andy Reid's offense, where the routes are often described as backyard football stuff, he won't make it anywhere.
Toney is the worse first round pick the Giants have made in this century. They have had a ton of bad first round picks but Toney tops them all. He was an athlete and not a wide receiver that ran the full route tree, on top of having character concerns. He was a clearly a gadget player that should not have been touched anywhere near the top 50 picks.
A gadget player with a horrific attitude and work ethic. "The Giants Way" gets criticized a lot, but they try to avoid morons like this for good reason.
The fact he passed through all of our character filters AND the football vetting is hard to understand.
RE: Every time I see Toney's name, I'm reminded that
Toney is the worse first round pick the Giants have made in this century. They have had a ton of bad first round picks but Toney tops them all. He was an athlete and not a wide receiver that ran the full route tree, on top of having character concerns. He was a clearly a gadget player that should not have been touched anywhere near the top 50 picks.
Sadly, but true. Especially when you consider we passed on Parsons for "character concerns" in the same draft lol
Or worse, when you are more of a bust than the guy arrested for pulling a gun at a poker game 🤣
Toney is the worse first round pick the Giants have made in this century. They have had a ton of bad first round picks but Toney tops them all. He was an athlete and not a wide receiver that ran the full route tree, on top of having character concerns. He was a clearly a gadget player that should not have been touched anywhere near the top 50 picks.
A gadget player with a horrific attitude and work ethic. "The Giants Way" gets criticized a lot, but they try to avoid morons like this for good reason.
The fact he passed through all of our character filters AND the football vetting is hard to understand.
I think his biggest flaw as a player is that he moves in a way that is very tough on the joints. So many sudden and explosive cuts that you just don't normally see on the football field. I don't think most people can play that Barry Sanders style without increasing their odds of injury by a significant amount. I think this affected Barkley to some degree as well.
So I don't think him going to the RB position where he'll be cutting even more is going to help.
You know he's not putting in the flexibility and core strength work to support that kind of game, either.
of the insiders said Dave wanted Darrisaw who turned out to be a very good OT.
More pro-Gettleman BS. Asshats confirmed that Gettleman wanted a WR in the 1st and Toney was his best-available.
The fact that there is anyone who could even suggest Gettleman was anything other that a curse on the New York Giants organization is stunning. It would be like the Texas School Book Depository saying “yeah but you should have seen the other guys we turned away.”
It was a black period in team history. No need to pretend it was anything different.
RE: Every time I see Toney's name, I'm reminded that
DG passed on Micah Parsons because Parsons had character issues.
Lets just tread lightly here regarding the character issues. I would wager that Mara has a lot to do with making sure our top draft picks will represent the franchise like boy scouts.
RE: Every time I see Toney's name, I'm reminded that
"I'd heard DG wanted Darrisaw, so it almost happened
JonC : 12/20/2022 11:49 am : link
believe Rico's source heard the same, and it's been out there since then. It made a lot more sense than Toney, and still does. Parson as well, obviously would've been a home run pick."
Dave was finishing out his contract. Judge also was the one pushing for the WR's and worked with the key guys in Detroit with the Pats.
When they got jumped for their target, they moved down to a different place of value in round one as they still liked a few players on the board and could pick up some extra draft collateral.
However, by the time they picked again some guys had been selected so at that point they moved Toney up their list to be that weapon they wanted. Despite any risks they assessed or didn't assess properly, and he was the pick.
Nothing more.
The Plantonic ideal of "Million dollar talent, ten cent head."
His one big game as a Giant against the Cowboys perfectly encapsulates him as a player. He was torching DBs in the short/mid game, racking up YAC, talent popping off the screen...until he goes too hard after a whistle and gets himself ejected.
He has all the physical talent, but his motivation seems to be all or nothing. Either disengaged or geeking out with no workable middle ground.
Toney strikes me as a guy who doesn't like getting hit or delivering a hit. Playing with contact on every play is pretty much a pre-requisite of the running back position. He can't just run around on most plays without ever getting touched
"I'd heard DG wanted Darrisaw, so it almost happened
JonC : 12/20/2022 11:49 am : link
believe Rico's source heard the same, and it's been out there since then. It made a lot more sense than Toney, and still does. Parson as well, obviously would've been a home run pick."
Dave was finishing out his contract. Judge also was the one pushing for the WR's and worked with the key guys in Detroit with the Pats.
This is Rico‘s actual post, despite the nonsense that you constantly post on threads about the Toney pick.
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Last year's draft
Rico : 4/23/2022 11:23 am : link
The trade with the Bears seemed to catch us by surprise. We took the deal because our WR's were all gone and it was too good to pass up. But I don't think we had planned for that scenario.
We hoped AVT might drop to us, but once he was taken we weren't sure who to take. Getty was flying by the seat of his pants late in the first round, and that was a setup for a bad decision.
So who’s stupid now? Nothing there about Gettleman wanting Darisaw (he wanted AVT) or about getting overruled by Judge.
And just because Judge liked Toney doesn’t mean Gettleman didn’t like him also. And Gettleman was the GM last I checked. Link - ( New Window )
The answer to your question is you doubled down on stupid.
JonC from my perspective has presented some information in the past and seems to have earned credibility with posters as being accurate with some of that material.
Not sure any insider has a 100% hit rate and I have not commented much on Toney.
Get hit more and paid less.
Who would you rather have right now on the roster?
Kadarius Toney still on his rookie deal $2.5M
Retired Darren Waller and his $7.5M in dead money between this and next season
True that.
So I don't think him going to the RB position where he'll be cutting even more is going to help.
Who would you rather have right now on the roster?
Kadarius Toney still on his rookie deal $2.5M
Retired Darren Waller and his $7.5M in dead money between this and next season
That original Toney trade is like a chain letter that keeps showing up and cursing them.
They were in a position to draft a top 5 defender, and instead got a few bootie years out of Toney, Waller, Neal, some dead money, Bellinger, and Hawkins.
Watch him run the wrong way!
That isn't mistaken for being lightning quick either, which he is. There's still a lot more to it, and that's what he was struggling with here beyond the attitude issues.
And if he can't pick up Andy Reid's offense, where the routes are often described as backyard football stuff, he won't make it anywhere.
A gadget player with a horrific attitude and work ethic. "The Giants Way" gets criticized a lot, but they try to avoid morons like this for good reason.
The fact he passed through all of our character filters AND the football vetting is hard to understand.
Sadly, but true. Especially when you consider we passed on Parsons for "character concerns" in the same draft lol
Or worse, when you are more of a bust than the guy arrested for pulling a gun at a poker game 🤣
He'll be running into Mahomes in that backfield, and I can't see them leaving him in on pass pro.
Maybe he agreed that he would be okay handing the ball off though.
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Toney is the worse first round pick the Giants have made in this century. They have had a ton of bad first round picks but Toney tops them all. He was an athlete and not a wide receiver that ran the full route tree, on top of having character concerns. He was a clearly a gadget player that should not have been touched anywhere near the top 50 picks.
A gadget player with a horrific attitude and work ethic. "The Giants Way" gets criticized a lot, but they try to avoid morons like this for good reason.
The fact he passed through all of our character filters AND the football vetting is hard to understand.
A lot worse has than Toney.
And Darren Waller!
Who would you rather have right now on the roster?
Kadarius Toney still on his rookie deal $2.5M
Retired Darren Waller and his $7.5M in dead money between this and next season
Micah Parsons and neither of the above.
More pro-Gettleman BS. Asshats confirmed that Gettleman wanted a WR in the 1st and Toney was his best-available.
So I don't think him going to the RB position where he'll be cutting even more is going to help.
You know he's not putting in the flexibility and core strength work to support that kind of game, either.
Quote:
of the insiders said Dave wanted Darrisaw who turned out to be a very good OT.
More pro-Gettleman BS. Asshats confirmed that Gettleman wanted a WR in the 1st and Toney was his best-available.
The fact that there is anyone who could even suggest Gettleman was anything other that a curse on the New York Giants organization is stunning. It would be like the Texas School Book Depository saying “yeah but you should have seen the other guys we turned away.”
It was a black period in team history. No need to pretend it was anything different.
Lets just tread lightly here regarding the character issues. I would wager that Mara has a lot to do with making sure our top draft picks will represent the franchise like boy scouts.
Not to mention Deandre Baker.
JonC : 12/20/2022 11:49 am : link
believe Rico's source heard the same, and it's been out there since then. It made a lot more sense than Toney, and still does. Parson as well, obviously would've been a home run pick."
Dave was finishing out his contract. Judge also was the one pushing for the WR's and worked with the key guys in Detroit with the Pats.
However, by the time they picked again some guys had been selected so at that point they moved Toney up their list to be that weapon they wanted. Despite any risks they assessed or didn't assess properly, and he was the pick.
Nothing more.
He has all the physical talent, but his motivation seems to be all or nothing. Either disengaged or geeking out with no workable middle ground.
LoL, the whole world knew that Gettleman wanted to draft Smith, including the Eagles, who traded up to poach him.
JonC : 12/20/2022 11:49 am : link
believe Rico's source heard the same, and it's been out there since then. It made a lot more sense than Toney, and still does. Parson as well, obviously would've been a home run pick."
Dave was finishing out his contract. Judge also was the one pushing for the WR's and worked with the key guys in Detroit with the Pats.
This is Rico‘s actual post, despite the nonsense that you constantly post on threads about the Toney pick.
Rico : 4/23/2022 11:23 am : link
The trade with the Bears seemed to catch us by surprise. We took the deal because our WR's were all gone and it was too good to pass up. But I don't think we had planned for that scenario.
We hoped AVT might drop to us, but once he was taken we weren't sure who to take. Getty was flying by the seat of his pants late in the first round, and that was a setup for a bad decision.
So who’s stupid now? Nothing there about Gettleman wanting Darisaw (he wanted AVT) or about getting overruled by Judge.
And just because Judge liked Toney doesn’t mean Gettleman didn’t like him also. And Gettleman was the GM last I checked.
Link - ( New Window )
JonC from my perspective has presented some information in the past and seems to have earned credibility with posters as being accurate with some of that material.
Not sure any insider has a 100% hit rate and I have not commented much on Toney.
LoL, the whole world knew that Gettleman wanted to draft Smith, including the Eagles, who traded up to poach him.
You know darn well this was about after the trade down. This board has been arguing over this fact for years now