Time for another Subway Series: the second & final one this season. Separate threads as usual—Mets fans only on this thread: We go our own way, they go theirs. The Mets somehow split a four-game set with the craptastic Marlins, who they finished their season series against yesterday (5-5 record). Beginning with this game, the Mets are stepping up in weight class. Their next three opponents are the Prison Stripers, Barfs, & Twins. Click
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Mets @ Yankees: Game 1 –⚾Quintana (L) vs. Gil (R)⚾– 7:05 pm EDT
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in the Boogie Down Bronx against the Prison Stripers.
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be on WPIX as well as on YES Network. Out-of-market peeps can also watch it on TBS. Tomorrow’s game will be televised exclusively on national television on ESPN.
-The weather for tonight's game might be a little shaky due to possible thunderstorms. Click
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-The Mets are playing their 100th game of the season tonight. They’ve hit 53 home runs in their last 31 games, the most in MLB during that span. As of the start of play today, the Mets (51-48) are in sole possession of the third & final N.L. Wildcard spot. They’re half a game ahead of the red-hot Pirates—who’ve won 8 of their last 10—and Padres each. Click
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-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of
Alvarez (R), Iglesias (R), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L). 
Are the yanks really going to have 4 players(Cole, Judge, Soto, Stanton) take up more than half their payroll? That doesn't include total dead weight like Rizzo, DJ, and others.
didnt stop them from offering yamamoto $300m knowing they had soto approaching FA.
nobody was louder about their payroll predicament last offseason than i was, but i just cant imagine they made that trade and then were willing to spend another $30m+ per year on yamamaoto only to not offer soto (same age as yamamoto, less injury risk as a pos player) something absolutely massive.
now if cohen offers something obscene will they match it? idk.
the bigger ? may be will stearns allow himself to offer something obscene and unmatchable? even though they were "all in" he obviously didnt with yamamoto since LAD matched.
Soto's contract is going to blow Judge's out of the water. Doubt that stops NYY from trying to keep him, but it's another thing to keep in the back of your head.
i do think their max yamamoto offer was purposely designed to not exceed Cole's deal, but i think this is a different situation. yamamoto was totally unproven in MLB, soto's career so far has been that of a HOF'er. everyone knows his deal will exceed Judge's deal by a lot.
judge's AAV is $40m, if this is a concern what they could do if they want is just match that AAV and add on years that pays soto through the same age as judge's deal which would mean $40m*15 years = $600m. without factoring deferrals that's the biggest deal ever by over $100m, and it sends no inequitable message re judge.
but i dont think that will be a concern. to trade for soto when they did imo means they had to be prepared to pay close to $500m for him over the next decade+. once committed to that, i dont see why anyone would care so much how they structure the payments.
also remember soto is making $31m this year. so unless this roster construction tanks to the point that they decide they need to make big changes, retaining him is only +10-15m for them vs their present construction. letting torres or verdugo walk pays for the difference.
This is a generational player at a position of need. The risk profile here is a lot different here than Yamamoto (as you mentioned above).
NYY might very well keep him, but my point earlier is that the one-year head start they are getting with him isn't going to be worth anything when it comes to Soto's UFA negotiations. Soto is going to the market and all the signs point to zero discount being given to NYY.
This is a generational player at a position of need. The risk profile here is a lot different here than Yamamoto (as you mentioned above).
NYY might very well keep him, but my point earlier is that the one-year head start they are getting with him isn't going to be worth anything when it comes to Soto's UFA negotiations. Soto is going to the market and all the signs point to zero discount being given to NYY.
i agree with your logic across the board, here's where i run into doubting the mets can get him.
what is too much for soto? 40m*15 years doesn't seem like too much to me and that's $600m. more than $100m in present day value than ohtani's record setting deal.
i agree cohen wont get out bid but stearns has been extremely disciplined. what kind of offer would he have to make for the yankees to get outbid? i think it might be more than the $600m suggestion above.
i dont think this is as much a question of cohen getting outbid i think it's where do the yankees get outbid and where does stearns believe it's just not good enough value?
Senga threw a bullpen session on Tuesday and is scheduled to make his season debut against the Atlanta Braves on Friday at Citi Field.
After finishing second in the NL Rookie of the Year race last year, Senga was diagnosed with a right shoulder strain in spring training that has kept him sidelined.
MORNING BRIEFING: SENGA IS ‘100% READY’ | Posted by Shaun Chornobroff | July 24, 2024 | MMO.com - ( New Window )
NFT: MLB Trade Deadline Thread | capone - 7/21/2024 - 12:59 pm
I was thinking of starting one on Saturday though to focus on our stuff. Is that a good idea? Should we just ride with the one posted above or mix in the two? What do you guys think?
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the way I see it, if Cohen really wants him, and Stearns is aligned, will Cohen let himself get outbid?
This is a generational player at a position of need. The risk profile here is a lot different here than Yamamoto (as you mentioned above).
NYY might very well keep him, but my point earlier is that the one-year head start they are getting with him isn't going to be worth anything when it comes to Soto's UFA negotiations. Soto is going to the market and all the signs point to zero discount being given to NYY.
i agree with your logic across the board, here's where i run into doubting the mets can get him.
what is too much for soto? 40m*15 years doesn't seem like too much to me and that's $600m. more than $100m in present day value than ohtani's record setting deal.
i agree cohen wont get out bid but stearns has been extremely disciplined. what kind of offer would he have to make for the yankees to get outbid? i think it might be more than the $600m suggestion above.
i dont think this is as much a question of cohen getting outbid i think it's where do the yankees get outbid and where does stearns believe it's just not good enough value?
As mentioned, hard to understand how the Yankees can pay Cole, Judge, Stanton (signed thru 2027) and Soto....but, look at the smoke and mirrors the Dodgers used to pay Ohtani.
Totally agree that Soto is a generational talent...he would make the Mets a different team in many ways, including the selling seats way.
Uncle Steve has been a good boy of late (Yamamoto aside and he didn't sign anyway), hard to believe he'll be outbid.
It's one thing to pay old pitchers (Scherzer, Verlander) tons of $, that comes with real risk...
Soto brings basically no risk...he is a guaranteed stud, over 900 OPS hitter and strong right fielder. And, has marketing potential to the moon.
I also agree that once free agency opens in November, the Yankees will hold no advantage.....
It was almost like a game without Gary, Keith or Ron. BBI silence.
It was almost like a game without Gary, Keith or Ron. BBI silence.
Haha! You're too kind. We've got a system going now, so any of us can take over and run it. I just put my head down for a little nap and the next thing you know, like 5 or more hours passed. I was like, WTF? I didn't know where I was or what time it was when I woke up, lol. I haven't been feeling well lately, so it was prolly just my body shutting down and telling me something. Sorry about that though last night. I always look forward to these Subway Series games and beating the Prison Stripers down into the dirt.
It started with Optimus and his full Series threads !!
Good work Dude !!
As mentioned, hard to understand how the Yankees can pay Cole, Judge, Stanton (signed thru 2027) and Soto....but, look at the smoke and mirrors the Dodgers used to pay Ohtani.
Totally agree that Soto is a generational talent...he would make the Mets a different team in many ways, including the selling seats way.
Uncle Steve has been a good boy of late (Yamamoto aside and he didn't sign anyway), hard to believe he'll be outbid.
It's one thing to pay old pitchers (Scherzer, Verlander) tons of $, that comes with real risk...
Soto brings basically no risk...he is a guaranteed stud, over 900 OPS hitter and strong right fielder. And, has marketing potential to the moon.
I also agree that once free agency opens in November, the Yankees will hold no advantage.....
at the end of the day ohtani's luxury tax salary is highest in baseball for 10 years. 10x450m i think, which is pretty much exactly as projected.
dont need to worry about deferrals like that with soto, he's not taking that deal with anyone.
re how can they afford to pay everyone, they are paying soto $31m right now. so they are showing exactly how. they are doing it and almost 20 games over .500. and had the price on yamamoto not gone as high, and they gotten him they'd have another $300m player on top of it.
i just see no way they aggressively pursued him in the first place if they didnt plan to try to aggressively resign him too. doesnt mean it will happen but they are the favorite and if they want to remain that way all they have to do is similarly be willing to pay whatever it takes.
Here is a partial list of hitters who at least to some extent are available, according to industry sources briefed on trade discussions:
Tampa Bay Rays: Randy Arozarena, Yandy Díaz, Brandon Lowe, Isaac Paredes.
San Francisco Giants: Michael Conforto, Wilmer Flores, Mike Yastrzemski.
Los Angeles Angels: Taylor Ward, Luis Rengifo.
Baltimore Orioles: Ryan Mountcastle, Cedric Mullins Jr.
Miami Marlins: Jazz Chisholm Jr., Josh Bell.
Washington Nationals: Lane Thomas, Jesse Winker.
It started with Optimus and his full Series threads !!
Good work Dude !!
Did they? lol. When did we start doing these again?
P.S. They're a lot better IMO because we can just consolidate stuff here over a 2 to 4 game span instead of lose momentum conversation-wise from a given singular game-thread to another game-thread.
@Joelsherman1
The current plan for Christian Scott (elbow) is to rest and then rehab with the hope of returning before the end of the season
@Joelsherman1
The current plan for Christian Scott (elbow) is to rest and then rehab with the hope of returning before the end of the season
That's absolutely really good news but the pessimist in me worries that he'll somehow still need TJ come spring 2025 and the delay will affect his 2026 season.
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The Mets surge over the past few weeks didn't start with Grimace.
It started with Optimus and his full Series threads !!
Good work Dude !!
Did they? lol. When did we start doing these again?
P.S. They're a lot better IMO because we can just consolidate stuff here over a 2 to 4 game span instead of lose momentum conversation-wise from a given singular game-thread to another game-thread.
He's right. Don't know the exact timing/numbers, but the team was at or near it's low point and it was determined that daily threads wern't needed and that series threads would be preferable. Things have much turned around since then.
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight in the BX against the Prison Stripers & tomorrow in Flushing against the Barfs.
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be televised exclusively on national television on ESPN. Tomorrow’s game will be back on SNY.
-The forecast for tonight's game in the Bronx looks good during the hours that the game itself is scheduled to be played, but before and afterwards there are thunderstorms and showers expected, so that is something to be aware of as the game goes on. Click HERE to stay updated.
-The Mets are 30-15 since May 30th & are 3-0 against the Yanks so far this season. By virtue of their 3-2 win in Yankee Stadium last night, they’ve won the season series against them. The Mets have won 19 of their last 31 overall games against the Yankees; they’re going for a season-series sweep against the Yankees today in their last game against them this regular season. As of the start of play today, the Mets (52-48) are in sole possession of the third & final N.L. Wildcard spot. They’re half a game ahead of the Padres & one game ahead of the Diamondbacks & Pirates each. Click HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both the NL & the AL.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Bader (R), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L).
They have TBD against us tomorrow
We trail them by 2 games as it stands right now........
(assuming the reports the Reds are shopping their bullpen arms) is Sam Moll. Moll has a 2.94 era/3.07 FIP, 9.7 K/9 over his last 101 appearances
Semantics. A sprain is in fact a tear and he's indeed been diagnosed with a sprain. He probably meant full tear.
Tim Healey
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The Mets and Christian Scott will try to avoid elbow surgery, Carlos Mendoza said.
Scott will try the rest-and-rehab route and they’ll see what happens with his sprained UCL. He’ll be shut down for two weeks to start.
"A ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) sprain is a tear to one of the ligaments on the inner side of your elbow. A UCL sprain usually occurs due to a throwing motion – that typically occurs during sports – or after elbow dislocation or surgery."
They have TBD against us tomorrow
We trail them by 2 games as it stands right now........
They've changed their mind and are holding Sale back to face the Mets tomorrow.
Never ever expect the Braves to give the Mets an inch of a break.
"SNY
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"I want to be able to to come out and help this team compete and win a World Series. I can't do that throwing 8 innings and being shut down in August"
Christian Scott was asked if his UCL injury is something he'll have to manage for the rest of his career:"
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
The Mets and Christian Scott will try to avoid elbow surgery, Carlos Mendoza said.
Scott will try the rest-and-rehab route and they’ll see what happens with his sprained UCL. He’ll be shut down for two weeks to start.
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And Chris Sale goes in the nightcap.
They have TBD against us tomorrow
We trail them by 2 games as it stands right now........
They've changed their mind and are holding Sale back to face the Mets tomorrow.
Never ever expect the Braves to give the Mets an inch of a break.
Now the second game is rained out......Braves did not want to play tonight....
"SNY
@SNYtv
"I want to be able to to come out and help this team compete and win a World Series. I can't do that throwing 8 innings and being shut down in August"
Christian Scott was asked if his UCL injury is something he'll have to manage for the rest of his career:"
If I recall, Scott had this problem late last season also. They had to shut him down for a few weeks, but he came back and pitched in the Playoffs. I don't know if this is going to be a chronic problem with the kid.....but I sure hope he works his way thru it.
Mets @ Yankees | 7:05 pm EDT start - July 24, 2024 – TV Broadcast: National TV feed – ESPN (strfish.xyz)
MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Yankees – July 24, 2024 - 7:05 pm EDT start
Enjoy tonight's game 😊
Luis Severino
RHP
7-3, 3.58 ERA, 88 SO
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Chris Sale
LHP
13-3, 2.70 ERA, 140 SO
Game 2:
Kodai Senga
RHP
0-0, -.-- ERA, 0 SO
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Charlie Morton
RHP
5-5, 3.92 ERA, 101 SO
Game 3:
TBD
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Spencer Schwellenbach
RHP
3-5, 4.62 ERA, 49 SO
Game 4:
David Peterson
LHP
5-0, 3.14 ERA, 36 SO
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Reynaldo López
RHP
7-4, 2.12 ERA, 100 SO
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-Let's see who gets the start for the Mets on Saturday afternoon. Butto? Megill? Lucchesi? Andy Martino (@martinonyc) is saying that Megill is most likely to get the start on Saturday. Click HERE to see the tweet and watch the short video on X.
-Chris Sale is getting the start for the Braves tomorrow. He was supposed to pitch today for the Braves but it was postponed. You can read about it HERE.
@JohnSaponaro
So far, Karl Ravech has said:
• Harrison Bader is hurt, he’s not
• Mets BP is short today, it’s not
• Christian Scott is a RP, he’s not
The world wide leader, indeed 🙄
#LGM #RepBx
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John Saponaro @JohnSaponaro - 8:21 PM · Jul 24, 2024 · 1,263 Views - ( New Window )
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John Saponaro
@JohnSaponaro
So far, Karl Ravech has said:
• Harrison Bader is hurt, he’s not
• Mets BP is short today, it’s not
• Christian Scott is a RP, he’s not
The world wide leader, indeed 🙄
#LGM #RepBx
8:21 PM · Jul 24, 2024 · 1,263 Views
John Saponaro @JohnSaponaro - 8:21 PM · Jul 24, 2024 · 1,263 Views - ( New Window )
I mean I doubt the team would like to throw Diekman today. Probably going to need 3 innings between Danny Young, Buttó, Núñez