or another experienced RG to kick Runyan to LG. Anything they get from Neal should be considered a bonus. he's 2 years running been outplayed by tyree phillips off the waiver wire.
if they loved Alt they should have considered him but Neal (and to lesser extents JMS/Ezeudu) show the risk of relying on rookies to "fix" things no matter how safe they seem.
part of the draft is projecting your own strengths/weaknesses as an org to develop talent. signing veteran OL was the right way to go. this org has not yet proven it can develop OL and that's a risk that needs to be accounted for in their decision making.
Remember how funny he looked trying to keep his balance against Riddick in the playoff game in Philly? Neal was more off balance in that game than a drunk at closing time at your local bar.
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
Jones being a mediocre QB is a "dopey narrative"? Please enlighten me with the proper narrative
lol. At this point I would love for the guy to kill it this year just so you dopes can slink away again. Or at least STFU about him for 5 consecutive posts/threads.
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
Jones being a mediocre QB is a "dopey narrative"? Please enlighten me with the proper narrative
lol. At this point I would love for the guy to kill it this year just so you dopes can slink away again. Or at least STFU about him for 5 consecutive posts/threads.
Jones is THE reason why every national preseason primer pegs the NYG to be a bottom 5 team in 2024.
but this is f#cking brutal to lose Eluemunor for any stretch of time already.
Reminds me of Pugh, Richburg and Flowers beating their chest about having to stay on the field and by day 3 all of them were sitting out.
Part of the reason this OL has been so bad for so long is they seem to have a new starting 5 every week. And now, after less than a practice, they'll have to reshuffle the starting 5 again.
but this is f#cking brutal to lose Eluemunor for any stretch of time already.
Reminds me of Pugh, Richburg and Flowers beating their chest about having to stay on the field and by day 3 all of them were sitting out.
Part of the reason this OL has been so bad for so long is they seem to have a new starting 5 every week. And now, after less than a practice, they'll have to reshuffle the starting 5 again.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
These injuries are just so demoralizing. And it happens every freaking season to this team.
RE: RE: People are going to spin this as no big deal
but this is f#cking brutal to lose Eluemunor for any stretch of time already.
Reminds me of Pugh, Richburg and Flowers beating their chest about having to stay on the field and by day 3 all of them were sitting out.
Part of the reason this OL has been so bad for so long is they seem to have a new starting 5 every week. And now, after less than a practice, they'll have to reshuffle the starting 5 again.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
These injuries are just so demoralizing. And it happens every freaking season to this team.
The other thing is that Matt Nelso, the other OT they brought in, has also been out and I'm not clear on what his status is at this point. There's always concentrated injuries on the Oline, and always impactful.
We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
I know exactly why they didn't consider Alt. Weapon for Daniel, and they'd already spent a high pick on Neal and don't want to admit he's a miss.
RE: These injuries are just so demoralizing … every freaking season
Art Stapleton
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One lineup surprise for me on Day 1 of Giants camp: rookie DT Elijah Chatman getting a chance to work in first-team rotation with Dexter Lawrence, Ryder Anderson and Rakeem Nunez-Roches.
DL coach Andre Patterson has said height is not a prerequisite for him: Chatman listed at 6-foot, 278 pounds, UDFA from SMU
and then monday dragged because carolina was changing the terms of the deal they'd agreed to on Sunday. good on him for not only embracing hard knocks but being willing to expand a little more context to what we saw. https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1816105477417099699 - ( New Window )
swear by my blankie that Daboll at times in that clip looks like one of the Sinoloa 7 cartel members, that stache just jumps out lol
This bag of dicks is still collecting on the Superbowl runs
Ryan Dunleavy
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#Giants 1st training camp practice takeaways:
- Short pass game served as an extension of the run game. Draft Wan'Dale Robinson in PPR fantasy leagues. That might continue with this RB depth chart.
- Daniel Jones: 8-of-13 passing, no completions more than 5-ish yards. Under duress often, but moved well in first 11-on-11s since tearing his ACL.
- Malik Nabers had a drop on a well-placed throw. Don't expect many of those. He took an end-around and lined up in the backfield to run a route once.
- Is #Giants100 OL just cursed? 3 days ago, I would've listed Evan Neal and Jermaine Eluemunor as starters. Now both are injured (no word yet on Eluemunor's severity) and LG Aaron Stinnie & RT Josh Ezeudu are starters.
- I applaud Schoen and Daboll for their (pre-injury) decision to move Eluemunor from LG to RT. It was clear that Neal will have to earn the job when he returns from PUP instead of getting handed snaps based on draft status. That said, Eluemunor's injury might change things.
- Dane Belton, not rookie second-round pick Tyler Nubin, was the starting safety next to Jason Pinnock.
- Who are CB Cor'Dale Flott's biggest challengers to start on the outside? Tre Hawkins and Darnay Holmes were the second-teamers.
- Drew Lock threw a TD pass to Lawrence Cager (sweet catch) and a pick to Boogie Basham on a tipped pass by Jordan Phillips.
but I've been consistent in saying Flott is not starting material as a boundary CB vs good, quick receivers, part of it is his movement (long and slowish to change direction) and part is his tackling, unless he has improved that big time
We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
I know exactly why they didn't consider Alt. Weapon for Daniel, and they'd already spent a high pick on Neal and don't want to admit he's a miss.
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL, therefore they decided to correct that mistake through FA, and use a #6 pick on a position they consider easier to scout?
Making an offer and having a deal in place are 2 different things
Yes, quite. And Duggan never even claimed his own knowledge of a Giants' offer. He cited the reporting of others on that. "The Giants reportedly offered, etc."
He also said he'd be watching Hard Knocks himself to see how serious negotiations actually got.
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Schoen says he wishes Hard Knocks would have shown the work Kevin Abrams and Ed Triggs did with Brian Burns contract negotiations
Certainly doesn't seem like Schoen views Abrams as dead weight, or an undermining threat. I think he got lucky in inheriting him, if he wanted him gone he would be.
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL
While it's certainly possible they've "admitted" that Neal was a miss, they surely haven't "admitted to themselves that they don't do a good job with scouting college OL." Teams make mistakes all the time when it comes to scouting college prospects, it's an inexact science. The Cowboys had Neal as their #2 prospect overall and while there may have NFL scouting departments that didn't see Neal as a top ten pick, I doubt there was a single team that didn't give him a 1st round grade. Shit happens.
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No. First of all, WR is every bit as tough to scout as OL, maybe even tougher. The first round is littered with WRs that busted. Second of all, the Giants went into the draft with a roster long on young OL still on their learning curve and what it needed was immediate veteran help, not more youth to develop.
RE: a few dump offs in a fucking walk through practice
The intensity is up above last years camp. Maybe it pays off, or it doesn't, but being lax doesn't help.
Josh Ezeudu had a problematic day. I don't begrudge Daboll or Schoen for wanting to use his versatility, but the man is a much better guard than tackle. He's a fourth OT at best at this point. If Neal and Eluemenor aren't in at RT, I feel like Matt Nelson is a better alternative. More experience there, for one.
Biggest play should have been a post play to Nabers and he dropped it.
I do like Bowen trying different alternatives at DL alongside Dex. Phillips may ultimately win the job but Anderson and Chatman in there early is a pleasant surprise. Try them early and see what they have.
Hopefully it's nothing and only day to day.
To me it just looks like he took an unlucky shot to the ribs from Sexy. That's enough to crack a rib. Cracked rib is 2-4 weeks.
Ha! You had me at "Ezeudu is going to play well..."!
if they loved Alt they should have considered him but Neal (and to lesser extents JMS/Ezeudu) show the risk of relying on rookies to "fix" things no matter how safe they seem.
part of the draft is projecting your own strengths/weaknesses as an org to develop talent. signing veteran OL was the right way to go. this org has not yet proven it can develop OL and that's a risk that needs to be accounted for in their decision making.
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Insane we’re doing year 6 of this
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
You guys have called them “dopey narratives” for five years.
“It’s only camp”
“It’s only preseason”
“It’s only week one”
“Player x,y,z were hurt”
“The eagles are just better it’s not Jones’ fault”
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
You guys have called them “dopey narratives” for five years.
“It’s only camp”
“It’s only preseason”
“It’s only week one”
“Player x,y,z were hurt”
“The eagles are just better it’s not Jones’ fault”
And right on cue, said dopey fan responds.
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
Jones being a mediocre QB is a "dopey narrative"? Please enlighten me with the proper narrative
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
Jones being a mediocre QB is a "dopey narrative"? Please enlighten me with the proper narrative
lol. At this point I would love for the guy to kill it this year just so you dopes can slink away again. Or at least STFU about him for 5 consecutive posts/threads.
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
Jones being a mediocre QB is a "dopey narrative"? Please enlighten me with the proper narrative
lol. At this point I would love for the guy to kill it this year just so you dopes can slink away again. Or at least STFU about him for 5 consecutive posts/threads.
Jones is THE reason why every national preseason primer pegs the NYG to be a bottom 5 team in 2024.
Reminds me of Pugh, Richburg and Flowers beating their chest about having to stay on the field and by day 3 all of them were sitting out.
Part of the reason this OL has been so bad for so long is they seem to have a new starting 5 every week. And now, after less than a practice, they'll have to reshuffle the starting 5 again.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
If you don’t like it maybe discussing football on a message board isn’t for you, dope.
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
Thread wouldn't have been complete without Johnny5 coming in to bitch about other fans
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants practice is over. Daniel Jones finished 7 of 12. Final four completions all within three yards of LOS.
Big concern, obviously, is health of Jermaine Eluemunor
Jones rounding into regular season check-down form
Right, all that time he had in the pocket and all those gifted WRs just going to waste.
Smart QBs check it down when there’s nothing else to do.
And mediocre QBs check down when they don't have the confidence or ability to throw into tight windows
And dopey fans harp on every play during the 1st day of camp to further their dopey narratives.
You're so right. Silly is'nt it?
John's looking very thin... I really like him and think he's one of the best media people the Giants have (if not the best). Stay healthy Schmeelk
Reminds me of Pugh, Richburg and Flowers beating their chest about having to stay on the field and by day 3 all of them were sitting out.
Part of the reason this OL has been so bad for so long is they seem to have a new starting 5 every week. And now, after less than a practice, they'll have to reshuffle the starting 5 again.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
These injuries are just so demoralizing. And it happens every freaking season to this team.
Yup. Until Eluemunor is back they'll have gone exactly 0 days with their starting OL on the field. Yawn.
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but this is f#cking brutal to lose Eluemunor for any stretch of time already.
Reminds me of Pugh, Richburg and Flowers beating their chest about having to stay on the field and by day 3 all of them were sitting out.
Part of the reason this OL has been so bad for so long is they seem to have a new starting 5 every week. And now, after less than a practice, they'll have to reshuffle the starting 5 again.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
These injuries are just so demoralizing. And it happens every freaking season to this team.
IOW, at least he isn't throwing to a bunch of scrubs behind a dysfunctional OL. He has a good play caller and weapons.
If Nelson was the swing guy and still not 100% ready, we're already down to our 4th RT. On day 1.
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I found the post -- I'm not sure it is a reliable source
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
Hey, if Dabs chooses Jones to be his man, and we crash and burn, then maybe Dabs should go with Jones…….somewhere out of town.
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We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
I know exactly why they didn't consider Alt. Weapon for Daniel, and they'd already spent a high pick on Neal and don't want to admit he's a miss.
This!
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Before Eluemunor left due to injury, here was the Giants' OL alignment:
1st team
LT Thomas
LG Stinnie
C Schmitz
RG Runyan
RT Eluemunor
2nd team
LT Ezeudu
LG Kubas
C Schlottmann
RG Morrissey
RT Miles
3rd team
LT Nelson
LG Morrissey
C Schlottmann
RG McKethan
RT Cajuste
@art_stapleton
One lineup surprise for me on Day 1 of Giants camp: rookie DT Elijah Chatman getting a chance to work in first-team rotation with Dexter Lawrence, Ryder Anderson and Rakeem Nunez-Roches.
DL coach Andre Patterson has said height is not a prerequisite for him: Chatman listed at 6-foot, 278 pounds, UDFA from SMU
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swear by my blankie that Daboll at times in that clip looks like one of the Sinoloa 7 cartel members, that stache just jumps out lol
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
@rydunleavy
#Giants 1st training camp practice takeaways:
- Short pass game served as an extension of the run game. Draft Wan'Dale Robinson in PPR fantasy leagues. That might continue with this RB depth chart.
- Daniel Jones: 8-of-13 passing, no completions more than 5-ish yards. Under duress often, but moved well in first 11-on-11s since tearing his ACL.
- Malik Nabers had a drop on a well-placed throw. Don't expect many of those. He took an end-around and lined up in the backfield to run a route once.
- Is #Giants100 OL just cursed? 3 days ago, I would've listed Evan Neal and Jermaine Eluemunor as starters. Now both are injured (no word yet on Eluemunor's severity) and LG Aaron Stinnie & RT Josh Ezeudu are starters.
- I applaud Schoen and Daboll for their (pre-injury) decision to move Eluemunor from LG to RT. It was clear that Neal will have to earn the job when he returns from PUP instead of getting handed snaps based on draft status. That said, Eluemunor's injury might change things.
- Dane Belton, not rookie second-round pick Tyler Nubin, was the starting safety next to Jason Pinnock.
- Who are CB Cor'Dale Flott's biggest challengers to start on the outside? Tre Hawkins and Darnay Holmes were the second-teamers.
- Drew Lock threw a TD pass to Lawrence Cager (sweet catch) and a pick to Boogie Basham on a tipped pass by Jordan Phillips.
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We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
I know exactly why they didn't consider Alt. Weapon for Daniel, and they'd already spent a high pick on Neal and don't want to admit he's a miss.
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL, therefore they decided to correct that mistake through FA, and use a #6 pick on a position they consider easier to scout?
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Making an offer and having a deal in place are 2 different things
Yes, quite. And Duggan never even claimed his own knowledge of a Giants' offer. He cited the reporting of others on that. "The Giants reportedly offered, etc."
He also said he'd be watching Hard Knocks himself to see how serious negotiations actually got.
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Hawkins has the physical characteristics of an ideal CB.
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Schoen says he wishes Hard Knocks would have shown the work Kevin Abrams and Ed Triggs did with Brian Burns contract negotiations
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
you expected something else? He sucked in high school ya know.
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and the vultures come out to play, as usual.
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
you expected something else? He sucked in high school ya know.
Nah. Let’s move on.
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
And you come out to complain about it.
Jones is THE reason why every national preseason primer pegs the NYG to be a bottom 5 team in 2024.
Josh Ezeudu had a problematic day. I don't begrudge Daboll or Schoen for wanting to use his versatility, but the man is a much better guard than tackle. He's a fourth OT at best at this point. If Neal and Eluemenor aren't in at RT, I feel like Matt Nelson is a better alternative. More experience there, for one.
Biggest play should have been a post play to Nabers and he dropped it.
I do like Bowen trying different alternatives at DL alongside Dex. Phillips may ultimately win the job but Anderson and Chatman in there early is a pleasant surprise. Try them early and see what they have.