and then monday dragged because carolina was changing the terms of the deal they'd agreed to on Sunday. good on him for not only embracing hard knocks but being willing to expand a little more context to what we saw. https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1816105477417099699 - ( New Window )
swear by my blankie that Daboll at times in that clip looks like one of the Sinoloa 7 cartel members, that stache just jumps out lol
This bag of dicks is still collecting on the Superbowl runs
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#Giants 1st training camp practice takeaways:
- Short pass game served as an extension of the run game. Draft Wan'Dale Robinson in PPR fantasy leagues. That might continue with this RB depth chart.
- Daniel Jones: 8-of-13 passing, no completions more than 5-ish yards. Under duress often, but moved well in first 11-on-11s since tearing his ACL.
- Malik Nabers had a drop on a well-placed throw. Don't expect many of those. He took an end-around and lined up in the backfield to run a route once.
- Is #Giants100 OL just cursed? 3 days ago, I would've listed Evan Neal and Jermaine Eluemunor as starters. Now both are injured (no word yet on Eluemunor's severity) and LG Aaron Stinnie & RT Josh Ezeudu are starters.
- I applaud Schoen and Daboll for their (pre-injury) decision to move Eluemunor from LG to RT. It was clear that Neal will have to earn the job when he returns from PUP instead of getting handed snaps based on draft status. That said, Eluemunor's injury might change things.
- Dane Belton, not rookie second-round pick Tyler Nubin, was the starting safety next to Jason Pinnock.
- Who are CB Cor'Dale Flott's biggest challengers to start on the outside? Tre Hawkins and Darnay Holmes were the second-teamers.
- Drew Lock threw a TD pass to Lawrence Cager (sweet catch) and a pick to Boogie Basham on a tipped pass by Jordan Phillips.
but I've been consistent in saying Flott is not starting material as a boundary CB vs good, quick receivers, part of it is his movement (long and slowish to change direction) and part is his tackling, unless he has improved that big time
We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
I know exactly why they didn't consider Alt. Weapon for Daniel, and they'd already spent a high pick on Neal and don't want to admit he's a miss.
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL, therefore they decided to correct that mistake through FA, and use a #6 pick on a position they consider easier to scout?
Making an offer and having a deal in place are 2 different things
Yes, quite. And Duggan never even claimed his own knowledge of a Giants' offer. He cited the reporting of others on that. "The Giants reportedly offered, etc."
He also said he'd be watching Hard Knocks himself to see how serious negotiations actually got.
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Schoen says he wishes Hard Knocks would have shown the work Kevin Abrams and Ed Triggs did with Brian Burns contract negotiations
Certainly doesn't seem like Schoen views Abrams as dead weight, or an undermining threat. I think he got lucky in inheriting him, if he wanted him gone he would be.
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL
While it's certainly possible they've "admitted" that Neal was a miss, they surely haven't "admitted to themselves that they don't do a good job with scouting college OL." Teams make mistakes all the time when it comes to scouting college prospects, it's an inexact science. The Cowboys had Neal as their #2 prospect overall and while there may have NFL scouting departments that didn't see Neal as a top ten pick, I doubt there was a single team that didn't give him a 1st round grade. Shit happens.
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...therefore they decided to correct that mistake through FA, and use a #6 pick on a position they consider easier to scout?
No. First of all, WR is every bit as tough to scout as OL, maybe even tougher. The first round is littered with WRs that busted. Second of all, the Giants went into the draft with a roster long on young OL still on their learning curve and what it needed was immediate veteran help, not more youth to develop.
RE: a few dump offs in a fucking walk through practice
The intensity is up above last years camp. Maybe it pays off, or it doesn't, but being lax doesn't help.
Josh Ezeudu had a problematic day. I don't begrudge Daboll or Schoen for wanting to use his versatility, but the man is a much better guard than tackle. He's a fourth OT at best at this point. If Neal and Eluemenor aren't in at RT, I feel like Matt Nelson is a better alternative. More experience there, for one.
Biggest play should have been a post play to Nabers and he dropped it.
I do like Bowen trying different alternatives at DL alongside Dex. Phillips may ultimately win the job but Anderson and Chatman in there early is a pleasant surprise. Try them early and see what they have.
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swear by my blankie that Daboll at times in that clip looks like one of the Sinoloa 7 cartel members, that stache just jumps out lol
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
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#Giants 1st training camp practice takeaways:
- Short pass game served as an extension of the run game. Draft Wan'Dale Robinson in PPR fantasy leagues. That might continue with this RB depth chart.
- Daniel Jones: 8-of-13 passing, no completions more than 5-ish yards. Under duress often, but moved well in first 11-on-11s since tearing his ACL.
- Malik Nabers had a drop on a well-placed throw. Don't expect many of those. He took an end-around and lined up in the backfield to run a route once.
- Is #Giants100 OL just cursed? 3 days ago, I would've listed Evan Neal and Jermaine Eluemunor as starters. Now both are injured (no word yet on Eluemunor's severity) and LG Aaron Stinnie & RT Josh Ezeudu are starters.
- I applaud Schoen and Daboll for their (pre-injury) decision to move Eluemunor from LG to RT. It was clear that Neal will have to earn the job when he returns from PUP instead of getting handed snaps based on draft status. That said, Eluemunor's injury might change things.
- Dane Belton, not rookie second-round pick Tyler Nubin, was the starting safety next to Jason Pinnock.
- Who are CB Cor'Dale Flott's biggest challengers to start on the outside? Tre Hawkins and Darnay Holmes were the second-teamers.
- Drew Lock threw a TD pass to Lawrence Cager (sweet catch) and a pick to Boogie Basham on a tipped pass by Jordan Phillips.
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We saw on Hard Knocks that drafting Joe Alt was not a consideration, presumably because we had Evan Neal. Now Duggan is saying Neal probably lost his job.
Sometimes you cannot see the forest because of the trees. Alt was not a consideration because they wanted either Maye or one of the WRs.
They got Eleumunor in FA as back up to Neal. But it was clear as a bell that they wanted to go QB(one of the top 3) or Nabers or Harrison - and even Bowers.
I know exactly why they didn't consider Alt. Weapon for Daniel, and they'd already spent a high pick on Neal and don't want to admit he's a miss.
Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL, therefore they decided to correct that mistake through FA, and use a #6 pick on a position they consider easier to scout?
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Making an offer and having a deal in place are 2 different things
Yes, quite. And Duggan never even claimed his own knowledge of a Giants' offer. He cited the reporting of others on that. "The Giants reportedly offered, etc."
He also said he'd be watching Hard Knocks himself to see how serious negotiations actually got.
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Hawkins has the physical characteristics of an ideal CB.
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Have you considered that the Giants have admitted to themselves that Neal was a miss, admitted to themselves that they don’t do a good job with scouting college OL
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
you expected something else? He sucked in high school ya know.
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and the vultures come out to play, as usual.
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
you expected something else? He sucked in high school ya know.
Nah. Let’s move on.
Bravo.
A walkthrough!
Some of you know so much....
And you come out to complain about it.
Jones is THE reason why every national preseason primer pegs the NYG to be a bottom 5 team in 2024.
Josh Ezeudu had a problematic day. I don't begrudge Daboll or Schoen for wanting to use his versatility, but the man is a much better guard than tackle. He's a fourth OT at best at this point. If Neal and Eluemenor aren't in at RT, I feel like Matt Nelson is a better alternative. More experience there, for one.
Biggest play should have been a post play to Nabers and he dropped it.
I do like Bowen trying different alternatives at DL alongside Dex. Phillips may ultimately win the job but Anderson and Chatman in there early is a pleasant surprise. Try them early and see what they have.