| So, within the context of that situation and the way the contract is structured, and the way last year went, yeah, I think that's a fair assessment that we need better in 2024. |
This is from the press conference today. Not sure if anyone had the chance to watch or read the transcript, but this caught my attention immediately. I don't ever recall Schoen talking about the structure of the Jones contract within these terms.
It's also the first time I'm hearing anyone from the organization call out Jones about needing to be better. This isn't McAdoo calling out Eli, but it's there. It's much more subtle, but the message is there.
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I think it's clear their plan is for him to be here at least through 2024, and quite possibly 2025. To reverse on that decision is a tough one to answer to ownership for, especially when they love the player in question. What's the most $ the Giants have ever eaten on a contract? And, how quickly did it occur from signing.
I've resigned myself to him being here. It's one reason I've posted less and less since the draft, interest is waned.
I wish John Mara could read that last line. The Giants are uninteresting with Jones at QB. There is a reason the stadium is half empty or filled with rival fans the last 6 weeks of the season. They have built a team that is difficult to be excited about.
I used to be pumped up every Sunday because there was a Giants game. Now I watch out of obligation/curiosity because I have just done it my whole life.
Yep. They do nothing well, no identity to hang their hat on, unfun to watch, some young bucks are promising but we know historically it's a 50/50 hit rate in the first round, etc. They've been so bad for so long half the fanbase has no idea what promising or good actually looks like.
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What was incorrect that I said?
Dak has been a failure in the playoffs with one of the best rosters in football, year in and year out. He has one win vs a 8-9 Tampa team that was putrid. FWIW, Jones beat a 13-4 team, which did have a bad defense, but clearly superior to Tampa.
Is Dak better than Jones? Yes in regular season play, absolutely. Dak also has had one of the best olines in football and has had tremendous weapons about him.
Would I prefer Dak to Jones? Yes. But I would not expect that great an improvement to the record. Dak is not worth $50 mill per. He is a mid-level QB, so an upgrade to Jones.
Maybe scroll up to the comment I initially replied to in which it was proudly stated that Daniel Jones has won a road playoff game and Dak Prescott has not.
Does not answer what I asked. Since I stated that Dak did beat an awful Tampa, that part was acknowledged.
This belief that Dak is some amazing QB is just not true. IMV, he is marginally better than Jones. Take him off Dallas, and see how well he would do. His propensity to throw INTs under pressure is well documented.
For the record, I am not saying Jones is better. I am just saying Dak is a good in season QB mainly because of where he is. Put against playoff teams - meh.
Didn't the Cowboys win only 5 games when Dak missed a season. The Cowboys without Dak are the Giants.
Right, bw, because you've been in Schoen's seat so often, you would have told Wolfe where to get off, is that what you're saying?
From what snippets we heard, it sounded very similar to the 'cordial' back and forth Schoen had with Dan Morgan (?) in the BB negotiation, gentlemanly, respectful. You don't get that Wolfe had all the leverage in that discussion, all of it and that he and Schoen wanted the same player? Now, you'll argue like Terps that JS should have mortgaged the future in a Ricky Williams deal and given up multiple '25s, but there was clearly no appetite for that in the building. Schoen said he'd have to go back to John.
I don't think Schoen ever 'wanted' Jones. 2023 negotiations were a clusterfuck. The Giants 'were back', there was relief and outpouring and Mara was the 3rd party at the table in each of the SB and DJ negotiations. To me it was clear that SB's negotiation team (he changed agents midstream, yes?) rankled Schoen and that failed negotiation (leading to Barkley's tag) left Schoen with no option when it came to Jones. The mistake he made, a rookie mistake, a big one, was not meeting SB's demands and tagging Jones. (Mara wanted them both. Only after the '23 debacle does it appear that Mara has really retreated to the woodshed.) Will we ever get the skinny on how those two deals went down and why Schoen didn't just give in to the cheaper (fewer $$), more expensive deal and give the RB most of what he wanted?
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What was incorrect that I said?
Dak has been a failure in the playoffs with one of the best rosters in football, year in and year out. He has one win vs a 8-9 Tampa team that was putrid. FWIW, Jones beat a 13-4 team, which did have a bad defense, but clearly superior to Tampa.
Is Dak better than Jones? Yes in regular season play, absolutely. Dak also has had one of the best olines in football and has had tremendous weapons about him.
Would I prefer Dak to Jones? Yes. But I would not expect that great an improvement to the record. Dak is not worth $50 mill per. He is a mid-level QB, so an upgrade to Jones.
Maybe scroll up to the comment I initially replied to in which it was proudly stated that Daniel Jones has won a road playoff game and Dak Prescott has not.
Does not answer what I asked. Since I stated that Dak did beat an awful Tampa, that part was acknowledged.
This belief that Dak is some amazing QB is just not true. IMV, he is marginally better than Jones. Take him off Dallas, and see how well he would do. His propensity to throw INTs under pressure is well documented.
For the record, I am not saying Jones is better. I am just saying Dak is a good in season QB mainly because of where he is. Put against playoff teams - meh.
Didn't the Cowboys win only 5 games when Dak missed a season. The Cowboys without Dak are the Giants.
This is fact.
People hate Dak...but he's not much different than Lamar Jackson
He's just not as much fun to watch.
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...Because that last call Scoen had with Wolf in E4 was about as milquetoast as it gets for a negotiation. To me, it looked like Schoen checked his box, told his owners he tried, and happily found Jones a weapon at #6.
Right, bw, because you've been in Schoen's seat so often, you would have told Wolfe where to get off, is that what you're saying?
From what snippets we heard, it sounded very similar to the 'cordial' back and forth Schoen had with Dan Morgan (?) in the BB negotiation, gentlemanly, respectful. You don't get that Wolfe had all the leverage in that discussion, all of it and that he and Schoen wanted the same player? Now, you'll argue like Terps that JS should have mortgaged the future in a Ricky Williams deal and given up multiple '25s, but there was clearly no appetite for that in the building. Schoen said he'd have to go back to John.
I don't think Schoen ever 'wanted' Jones. 2023 negotiations were a clusterfuck. The Giants 'were back', there was relief and outpouring and Mara was the 3rd party at the table in each of the SB and DJ negotiations. To me it was clear that SB's negotiation team (he changed agents midstream, yes?) rankled Schoen and that failed negotiation (leading to Barkley's tag) left Schoen with no option when it came to Jones. The mistake he made, a rookie mistake, a big one, was not meeting SB's demands and tagging Jones. (Mara wanted them both. Only after the '23 debacle does it appear that Mara has really retreated to the woodshed.) Will we ever get the skinny on how those two deals went down and why Schoen didn't just give in to the cheaper (fewer $$), more expensive deal and give the RB most of what he wanted?
I don't need to be an NFL GM to know what a real offer sounds like. I have negotiated scores of deals in my field. And in that conversation with Wolf before the draft, Schoen danced around the edges, and never offered a clear, well-thought deal for Wolf to consider.
Could there have been another call where he did that? Sure. But in the sequence of events that were shown in E4, four hours before the draft, it sure sounded like Schoen decided he was at a dead-end with Wolf and it was time to get a weapon for Jones. Just re-watch his meeting with Tisch, Mara and Daboll. Did Schoen remotely sound like he was ready to re-engage with Wolf? I say NFW.
As for your remarks about the 2023 off-season, I agree Schoen got it backwards with Barkley and Jones. But I do not believe Jones was foisted on him by Mara, and he had no choice but to keep him. There is too much content out there before free agency began in March of 2023 where Schoen sounded genuinely interested in retaining Jones.
I really don't know why people can't accept the possibility Schoen actually liked Jones just as much as Mara. And why do we assume Schoen is good at this GM thing? It's his maiden voyage as a GM with no prior GM experience to evaluate.
Yes, Schoen had already resigned to the fact that the trade was over unless they went Rickey Williams...
That line by Schoen was a combination of dumb and throwing in the towel. The Ditka offer for Ricky Williams was the outlier of outliers.
So, because Schoen never offered Wolf a real deal to consider, he has no idea where the negotiations could have gone. He just assumed the worst outcome. Frankly, it showed a sign of Schoen that was very unimpressive.
So, because Schoen never offered Wolf a real deal to consider"
This is opinion presented as fact.
All of these counter-arguments seem to hinge on believing that you can convince a franchise that needs a QB and specifically wants this QB to pass up on that opportunity for lottery tickets.
The kind of trade that would take is absurd and complex, as it should be. There is no real reason to believe further conversations did not take place just because we didnt see them.
I'm don't blame Schoen. What can you do when the other party apologizes for not communicating with you?
But that was not an offer.
I have to disagree that a more aggressive trade offer would have made a difference to Wolf. Kraft was never trading out of that position. They are just as desperate as we are for a quarterback and Drake Maye is a legitimate top tier prospect. Can you imagine if we were in that position and Schoen traded back for a bunch of picks?! A fireable offense for the ages no doubt!. And if Wolf had any real interest he would have outlined on that call precisely what it would have taken to move back knowing how desperate Schoen is. Wolf didn't do that. He actually apologized to Schoen for being so aloof. AKA, disinterested. There was no trade possibility.
I know I would take it. PS, INTs have to be the most overstated ding on a QB's record ever. They don't really matter unless they do matter. You'll know if they matter when you see them. If a Qb throws 300, 2 TDs and 3 INTs but puts up 28 pts in a win, did the INTs really hurt?
Not all INTs are created equal. Same with TDs. Same with passing yards. CONTEXT.
I have to disagree that a more aggressive trade offer would have made a difference to Wolf. Kraft was never trading out of that position. They are just as desperate as we are for a quarterback and Drake Maye is a legitimate top tier prospect. Can you imagine if we were in that position and Schoen traded back for a bunch of picks?! A fireable offense for the ages no doubt!. And if Wolf had any real interest he would have outlined on that call precisely what it would have taken to move back knowing how desperate Schoen is. Wolf didn't do that. He actually apologized to Schoen for being so aloof. AKA, disinterested. There was no trade possibility.
Remember, Schoen did the original reach out, not Wolf. So, you make the other party say no. It's negotiation 101.
I've resigned myself to him being here. It's one reason I've posted less and less since the draft, interest is waned.
Well at least there's one benefit to him staying...
:) kidding!
So, because Schoen never offered Wolf a real deal to consider"
This is opinion presented as fact.
All of these counter-arguments seem to hinge on believing that you can convince a franchise that needs a QB and specifically wants this QB to pass up on that opportunity for lottery tickets.
The kind of trade that would take is absurd and complex, as it should be. There is no real reason to believe further conversations did not take place just because we didnt see them.
That phone call shown was not a real offer. Not even close. And I acknowledged earlier that maybe another occurred.
My opinion, however, is another phone call very likely didn't occur based on what Schoen said in his draft strategy meeting with ownership and Daboll.
Now, maybe E5 will reveal something to the contrary. We'll see.
I know I would take it. PS, INTs have to be the most overstated ding on a QB's record ever. They don't really matter unless they do matter. You'll know if they matter when you see them. If a Qb throws 300, 2 TDs and 3 INTs but puts up 28 pts in a win, did the INTs really hurt?
Not all INTs are created equal. Same with TDs. Same with passing yards. CONTEXT.
I'm doubtful Jones will get 500 yds rushing this year, I just don't see them calling his number too often. But 3,700 yds and 25+ TD's would be pretty good production.
You lost me at INT's not mattering. Granted, not ALL INT's matter - like throwing a hail Mary at the end of the half or game that gets picked off - but by and large, INT's matter very much.
In your scenario, sure 28 pts sounds great, but what if those INT's lead to points and you lose 31-28, you're saying those INT's didn't matter?
Extra possessions are poison to a defense, and the team that turns the ball over least almost always wins. Yes, INT's matter, almost all the time.
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So, because Schoen never offered Wolf a real deal to consider"
This is opinion presented as fact.
All of these counter-arguments seem to hinge on believing that you can convince a franchise that needs a QB and specifically wants this QB to pass up on that opportunity for lottery tickets.
The kind of trade that would take is absurd and complex, as it should be. There is no real reason to believe further conversations did not take place just because we didnt see them.
That phone call shown was not a real offer. Not even close. And I acknowledged earlier that maybe another occurred.
My opinion, however, is another phone call very likely didn't occur based on what Schoen said in his draft strategy meeting with ownership and Daboll.
Now, maybe E5 will reveal something to the contrary. We'll see.
I think some are splitting hairs. Schoen had several conversations with Wolf, it seems. The last one was feeling if the Patriots were considering moving #3. Basically Wolf said no that they were sitting at #3 unless he got a crazy offer - I think he said like 1, 2, 3 and next years 1, 2, 3 (and then said well I am exaggerating).
So technically you could say no offer from the Giants was made because the beginning point was "ridiculously" high. But that doesn't mean they didn't want to make a trade with NE, it just means NE needed to be blown away with a return so crazy they could not turn it down.
It would be like asking an owner if his 1963 split window Corvette was for sale and the owner said yes, for $1 million. If the expected value was $500k, there is no point in proceeding.
I think some are splitting hairs. Schoen had several conversations with Wolf, it seems. The last one was feeling if the Patriots were considering moving #3. Basically Wolf said no that they were sitting at #3 unless he got a crazy offer - I think he said like 1, 2, 3 and next years 1, 2, 3 (and then said well I am exaggerating).
So technically you could say no offer from the Giants was made because the beginning point was "ridiculously" high. But that doesn't mean they didn't want to make a trade with NE, it just means NE needed to be blown away with a return so crazy they could not turn it down.
It would be like asking an owner if his 1963 split window Corvette was for sale and the owner said yes, for $1 million. If the expected value was $500k, there is no point in proceeding.
That's exactly how I see it. I negotiate for a living, if someone makes a ridiculous offer, I'll walk away. If they want to get serious, they know how to find me.
And who knows, maybe it gets revisited on draft night. I doubt it, but you never know.
I really don't know why people can't accept the possibility Schoen actually liked Jones just as much as Mara. And why do we assume Schoen is good at this GM thing? It's his maiden voyage as a GM with no prior GM experience to evaluate.
I think some are splitting hairs. Schoen had several conversations with Wolf, it seems. The last one was feeling if the Patriots were considering moving #3. Basically Wolf said no that they were sitting at #3 unless he got a crazy offer - I think he said like 1, 2, 3 and next years 1, 2, 3 (and then said well I am exaggerating).
So technically you could say no offer from the Giants was made because the beginning point was "ridiculously" high. But that doesn't mean they didn't want to make a trade with NE, it just means NE needed to be blown away with a return so crazy they could not turn it down.
That's defeatist talk to me.
Wolf is was/is brand new at the job. In fact, at the time of the draft, he was wearing the interim title. And that was manifest in the phone call where Wolf sounded disheveled. So, Schoen wasn't dealing with a seasoned pro like Howie Rosen.
Put your best offer on the table and make Wolf take it back to the Krafts. I want to hear them say no.
Say something like:
"Let's do this. I have to meet with my team in a few minutes but let me tell you our offer and give you and your team time to review it. We are prepared to offer you X,Y,Z, etc...
Talk it over with Robert and Jonthan and text me your feedback. And if it's further conversation, we can get back on the phone..."
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I think some are splitting hairs. Schoen had several conversations with Wolf, it seems. The last one was feeling if the Patriots were considering moving #3. Basically Wolf said no that they were sitting at #3 unless he got a crazy offer - I think he said like 1, 2, 3 and next years 1, 2, 3 (and then said well I am exaggerating).
So technically you could say no offer from the Giants was made because the beginning point was "ridiculously" high. But that doesn't mean they didn't want to make a trade with NE, it just means NE needed to be blown away with a return so crazy they could not turn it down.
That's defeatist talk to me.
Wolf is was/is brand new at the job. In fact, at the time of the draft, he was wearing the interim title. And that was manifest in the phone call where Wolf sounded disheveled. So, Schoen wasn't dealing with a seasoned pro like Howie Rosen.
Put your best offer on the table and make Wolf take it back to the Krafts. I want to hear them say no.
Say something like:
"Let's do this. I have to meet with my team in a few minutes but let me tell you our offer and give you and your team time to review it. We are prepared to offer you X,Y,Z, etc...
Talk it over with Robert and Jonthan and text me your feedback. And if it's further conversation, we can get back on the phone..."
Sure, you can do that, but not so early. Make them your best offer, and they’ll shop it around to see if they can get a better one. Make that offer when they’re on the clock, which we may see happen.
The thought of him having a middling '24 campaign & just rolling it back in '25 is so depressing...I don't even want to think more on it.
They had already gone through the bid-ask period and they weren't even close. And Wolf also was far from impressive and admitted to being poor with his own communications so Schoen read it all as this was all likely never going to happen. But Schoen still did what he should have and that was check-in to see if anything was still worth talking about.
That may not be how the negotiating experts view things on BBI but not sure Schoen should be thrown under the bus based on this scene.
He should be thrown under the bus because he gave Jones that contract.
But the Jones contract-to me-is like a cloud that blots out the sun. A huge tell to me will be what happens if Jones is just blah in '24...neither great nor horrendous...do we run it back for YEAR SEVEN?
its gonna be tough to say QB, Head Coach and GM all return again.
I have a feeling that at least two of them will leave together. Which two remain to be decided.
I give the character of GM played by Schoen an incomplete.
The most likely outcome was no dice. But he doesn't get the coveted "Did Everything He Could to Replace Jones" award for that performance.
But the Jones contract-to me-is like a cloud that blots out the sun. A huge tell to me will be what happens if Jones is just blah in '24...neither great nor horrendous...do we run it back for YEAR SEVEN?
SFG, it is just plain crazy. When Schoen didn't think clearly about how to handle Saquon and Jones last offseason he just showed how "green" he was at either player evaluation or contract negotiations, or both.
And I am also not interested in the Mara-influence at this point as Schoen is digging his own grave if he is just simply following the lead from a boss who adds zero football-value to decision making. And if Schoen isn't being influenced then its on him anyway.
And even if Schoen sucks at figuring out what to do with Daniel Jones, how the hell do you not draft a QB in any round of any draft since he was hired? It is inexcusable not to try to get better at QB through the draft.
This is rounding into yet another example of what not to do if you are the GM of the NY Giants.
I give the character of GM played by Schoen an incomplete.
The most likely outcome was no dice. But he doesn't get the coveted "Did Everything He Could to Replace Jones" award for that performance.
Why? Exactly what would you have done?
Wolf flat out said they weren't trading, they needed a QB. Wolf held the pick. He wanted Maye and had the right of 1st refusal. So what was Schoen to do?
I give the character of GM played by Schoen an incomplete.
The most likely outcome was no dice. But he doesn't get the coveted "Did Everything He Could to Replace Jones" award for that performance.
Why? Exactly what would you have done?
Wolf flat out said they weren't trading, they needed a QB. Wolf held the pick. He wanted Maye and had the right of 1st refusal. So what was Schoen to do?
Wolf didn't just say flat out they weren't trading. He stumbled and mumbled.
Doing everything you can goes something like: Eliot, I understand you're probably not trading the pick, but this is what I'm willing to offer [fill in the blank]. We think that's a really compelling offer and if you guys have any more questions I'm ready to talk.
I think JS wanted Jones. He seems a little stubborn imv with his positional values and there were ways he could have worked the NEFT and still had the money he wanted to make other moves. He also had Tisch to leverage (carefully).
Maybe he just decided to go with giving him a contract. There were some downsides to the NEFT that he probably considered as well.
The conversation being scrutinized occured ~300 minutes before New England turned in their envelope.
The date the decision needed to be made was pretty obvious.
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Wolf was the guy behind the guy, behind the guy, so I doubt anything would have mattered. But there is an art and science to the unsolicited bid. The first step, is of course the bid.
I give the character of GM played by Schoen an incomplete.
The most likely outcome was no dice. But he doesn't get the coveted "Did Everything He Could to Replace Jones" award for that performance.
Why? Exactly what would you have done?
Wolf flat out said they weren't trading, they needed a QB. Wolf held the pick. He wanted Maye and had the right of 1st refusal. So what was Schoen to do?
Wolf didn't just say flat out they weren't trading. He stumbled and mumbled.
Doing everything you can goes something like: Eliot, I understand you're probably not trading the pick, but this is what I'm willing to offer [fill in the blank]. We think that's a really compelling offer and if you guys have any more questions I'm ready to talk.
I do not know Wolf, Schoen does. I don't know his normal dictation, so that may be his personality. Remember, Wolf likely had been distracted by the draft pressure, too. Ever try to speak to someone while you are deeply focused elsewhere? He knew he wasn't trading - his staff and ownership had decided to go with Maye.
IMV, Schoen could read he wasn't moving. Sometimes, people are realists. They can read the other person, especially if they know each other. Wolf said they were staying at 3. And Wolf basically said they would need to get 1, 2, 3 this year and next year and chuckled about it, saying he was exaggerating a bit....but he wasn't.
Wolf: It was Schoen
Kraft: He still after you about the pick?
Wolf: Yup
Kraft: What did he offer?
Wolf: Nothing really
Kraft: Okie dokie
I hate to sound like a broken record, but Gettleman coming out PUBLICLY & saying he wouldn't even entertain offers for the 2nd overall pick in '18...THAT'S A FIREABLE OFFENSE! FFS! WHO SAYS THAT PUBLICLY? & WHO THINKS THAT?!?!!?!?!?!
Don't you dare talk about Rabbit Foot Dave like that.
Wolf: It was Schoen
Kraft: He still after you about the pick?
Wolf: Yup
Kraft: What did he offer?
Wolf: Nothing really
Kraft: Okie dokie
Nobody made more draft day trades the last twenty years than Belichick. If any owner would know how trade discussions should go, it's Kraft.
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A step up for the office of NYG GM.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but Gettleman coming out PUBLICLY & saying he wouldn't even entertain offers for the 2nd overall pick in '18...THAT'S A FIREABLE OFFENSE! FFS! WHO SAYS THAT PUBLICLY? & WHO THINKS THAT?!?!!?!?!?!
I've really enjoyed these Hard Knocks episodes. But I can't imagine how much more entertaining they would be with Resume Dave as the GM.
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A step up for the office of NYG GM.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but Gettleman coming out PUBLICLY & saying he wouldn't even entertain offers for the 2nd overall pick in '18...THAT'S A FIREABLE OFFENSE! FFS! WHO SAYS THAT PUBLICLY? & WHO THINKS THAT?!?!!?!?!?!
Q. What moron(s) gives Daniel Jones 4 years $160M and $92M guaranteed?
A. The NY Giant Front Office and a few questionable posters on BBI
Wolf: It was Schoen
Kraft: He still after you about the pick?
Wolf: Yup
Kraft: What did he offer?
Wolf: Nothing really
Kraft: Okie dokie
Nobody made more draft day trades the last twenty years than Belichick. If any owner would know how trade discussions should go, it's Kraft.
You're assuming Bill didn't lock Bobby in the massage room on draft day : )
That shit would win an Emmy. I mentioned to BBI Eric that night, watching the PR guy get the bends prepping Dave for a new conference would be gold.
- Clownshoes HC in McAdoo
- Defensive players fighting each other (namely Collins, Casillas and others with Apple and the HC not doing shit to stop it); Casillas said this happened in 2016 and McAdoo didn't change his coaching style
- Drafting a TE who can't block in the 1st round with qualified OL available
- signing old ass WR's
- Jerry Reese telling Pro Bowl LT Andrew Whitworth they were not interested, because hey, we have fucking Ereck Flowers
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I don't need to be an NFL GM to know what a real offer sounds like. I have negotiated scores of deals in my field. And in that conversation with Wolf before the draft, Schoen danced around the edges, and never offered a clear, well-thought deal for Wolf to consider.
well, that displays appropriate bw humility, lol. I don't know what your field is, but in mine, or what used to be mine, where the deck is stacked squarely against you, what 'well-thought deal' might have enticed Wolfe's (Wolf's) interest, curious. As I said, Mara set a parameter in either HK 3 or 4 about not giving up the farm. So how exactly would you thread that needle?
I don't care if the "deck is stacked". Make a specific offer where you lay out your exact position and get Wolf/Pats to actually say no. Schoen was sort of daydreaming about picks to offer.
Because you never know what might start a conversation that leads to an actual deal.
Look, I don't want to give the impression that a deal would have been imminent if we did make an actual offer on that call. I just wasn't impressed the way Schoen handled it. I had higher expectations. Then again, I always seem to have higher expectations for this organization... ;)
Schoen is telling Mara that he's waiting to see what he should do with Elliot. It makes me think the deal was further along and they manufactured that call for TV.
I take the whole of the TV program as docudrama. I think most of us are critiquing the characters as developed for the show. I think.
I take the whole of the TV program as docudrama. I think most of us are critiquing the characters as developed for the show. I think.
Based on that call in a vacuum, Schoen should have made an aggressive offer on the spot. Make Wolf really think it over. And then call back and add another pick. Maybe a player too. Make him keep saying no.
They were within striking distance after all. They don't plan to be in April of 2025.
I'd have been really impressed by Schoen if we saw him make a formal offer to Wolf, then they cut to a clip of Garafolo reporting the Giants made a "significant offer" to the Patriots that included multiple first round picks.
Get every voice on the other side questioning what the right thing to do is.
The entire show was made for TV, but you honestly think Schoen called Wolf 4 hours before the draft to waste both of their times?
The single most important sentence in that entire conversation was Wolf saying ... we are staying at #3 after Schoen asked him if they were open to a trade.
No means no.