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Schoen: We need better in 2024 (re: Jones)

Sean : 7/24/2024 8:31 pm
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So, within the context of that situation and the way the contract is structured, and the way last year went, yeah, I think that's a fair assessment that we need better in 2024.

This is from the press conference today. Not sure if anyone had the chance to watch or read the transcript, but this caught my attention immediately. I don't ever recall Schoen talking about the structure of the Jones contract within these terms.

It's also the first time I'm hearing anyone from the organization call out Jones about needing to be better. This isn't McAdoo calling out Eli, but it's there. It's much more subtle, but the message is there.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I for one don't think its bad  
bw in dc : 7/25/2024 8:51 pm : link
In comment 16559818 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16559742 bw in dc said:


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I don't need to be an NFL GM to know what a real offer sounds like. I have negotiated scores of deals in my field. And in that conversation with Wolf before the draft, Schoen danced around the edges, and never offered a clear, well-thought deal for Wolf to consider.

well, that displays appropriate bw humility, lol. I don't know what your field is, but in mine, or what used to be mine, where the deck is stacked squarely against you, what 'well-thought deal' might have enticed Wolfe's (Wolf's) interest, curious. As I said, Mara set a parameter in either HK 3 or 4 about not giving up the farm. So how exactly would you thread that needle?


I don't care if the "deck is stacked". Make a specific offer where you lay out your exact position and get Wolf/Pats to actually say no. Schoen was sort of daydreaming about picks to offer.

Because you never know what might start a conversation that leads to an actual deal.

Look, I don't want to give the impression that a deal would have been imminent if we did make an actual offer on that call. I just wasn't impressed the way Schoen handled it. I had higher expectations. Then again, I always seem to have higher expectations for this organization... ;)
I tend to think that call to Wolf was made for TV  
Sean : 7/25/2024 9:05 pm : link
It came off as far too casual for the amount of angst Mara had about "if we make this deal I'll have palpitations." It sounds that talks got far along enough that there was some stress for both Schoen & Mara.

Schoen is telling Mara that he's waiting to see what he should do with Elliot. It makes me think the deal was further along and they manufactured that call for TV.
 
christian : 7/25/2024 9:15 pm : link
Sean, I wouldn't be surprised.

I take the whole of the TV program as docudrama. I think most of us are critiquing the characters as developed for the show. I think.
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Sean : 7/25/2024 9:26 pm : link
In comment 16559964 christian said:
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Sean, I wouldn't be surprised.

I take the whole of the TV program as docudrama. I think most of us are critiquing the characters as developed for the show. I think.

Based on that call in a vacuum, Schoen should have made an aggressive offer on the spot. Make Wolf really think it over. And then call back and add another pick. Maybe a player too. Make him keep saying no.

They were within striking distance after all. They don't plan to be in April of 2025.
 
christian : 7/25/2024 10:42 pm : link
In the real world, that is close to the classic unsolicited bid playbook. Make the offer, leak the offer, and create leverage with the most skeptical parties on the other side.

I'd have been really impressed by Schoen if we saw him make a formal offer to Wolf, then they cut to a clip of Garafolo reporting the Giants made a "significant offer" to the Patriots that included multiple first round picks.

Get every voice on the other side questioning what the right thing to do is.
Holy crap, just read  
section125 : 7/26/2024 6:33 am : link
through what was posted after I left last night.

The entire show was made for TV, but you honestly think Schoen called Wolf 4 hours before the draft to waste both of their times?

The single most important sentence in that entire conversation was Wolf saying ... we are staying at #3 after Schoen asked him if they were open to a trade.

No means no.
JS may need to be called out  
giantstock : 7/26/2024 1:44 pm : link
If his belief in regard to results in Jones fails and any of the QB's he passed on shows to be a franchise type of QB, and without a franchise QB in place, he has to get dumped.
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