Definitely interesting. He would be a huge nickel corner against those big slot WRs or tight ends. Between Simmons, Andru Phillips, Darnay Holmes, McCloud, Alex Johnson it’s going to be a crazy camp battle at nickel corner. All sorts of size and styles lol
Of course we hear that Bowen more frequently wants a "traditional" pass rush from the DL and Edge, with fewer overall and fewer "exotic" blitz packages.
He's out there because he can't work in traffic.
He is a highly athletic guy who just merely an ok football player
Is the CB situation that awful
The big alfa WR or TE should be covered by bigger corners (Hawkins and Simmons)
The quick scatback type WR....match up with our quicker guys(Phillips)
A stud WR by our best (Banks)
How is he versatile? He has the body of a LB but can't utilize his great physical traits there because he hates contact and refuses to take on blockers. Therefore he ends up a one-dimensional player. He's not a true slot corner because he can't cover quick receivers like Welker. He basically is very good at covering bigger, less shifty receivers and tight ends. (Something the Giants need), and blitzing if there is no lineman to block him. How will he hold up when he's facing a pulling guard or tackle on a sweep to that side. History tells us he'll try to run around the blocker.
Said the BBI faction that wanted to draft him when he came out
Seems to be a third down LB/Safety for TEs. Perhaps he should be a deep safety. He has the speed...
Spy the mobile QBs like Hurts
Cover TEs and RBs
Bowen will figure it out.
Our D has indeed been oblivious on run downs ....
A corner with poor football instincts is usually a corner who doesn't even get a UDFA contract, let alone make an NFL roster.
Theoretically, wouldn't the bigger body on the field be Micah McFadden? McFadden's a big hitter and has good instincts, but he struggles in the open field and doesn't recover well with change of direction.
Antrelle Rolle basically did the same thing when he was here At the end of the Day Simmons has to show that his athleticism allows him to play football.
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on the field on early downs, but Simmons is not a physical player. And while he can cover TE’s, what happens when he gets matched up against a slot WR? Bowen has earned the benefit of doubt, so we’ll see how this plays out.
Theoretically, wouldn't the bigger body on the field be Micah McFadden? McFadden's a big hitter and has good instincts, but he struggles in the open field and doesn't recover well with change of direction.
Yes, they are Yin and Yang. If you put McFadden's instincts with Simmons athleticism you'd have Micah Parsons.
A corner with poor football instincts is usually a corner who doesn't even get a UDFA contract, let alone make an NFL roster.
What evidence points to poor football instincts? I see just the opposite - he's always around the ball, and he's in the TEs pocket when asked to cover.
His issue to date is he doesn't deliver the pain you'd expect from a LB or a 240 lb safety.
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on the field on early downs, but Simmons is not a physical player. And while he can cover TE’s, what happens when he gets matched up against a slot WR? Bowen has earned the benefit of doubt, so we’ll see how this plays out.
Theoretically, wouldn't the bigger body on the field be Micah McFadden? McFadden's a big hitter and has good instincts, but he struggles in the open field and doesn't recover well with change of direction.
That depends on who Simmons is replacing. I don’t see the point in taking a good tackler off the field to put in a poor one. My guess is he replaces one of the ER’s.
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The guy is a freakish athlete with poor football instincts. Ultimately, his best use to me is a Joker. Usually rushing the passer from wherever he is on the field, or occasionally faking the pass rush and either falling back in zone or covering tight ends/running backs in man. So a platoon with McFadden feels like his most obvious use, especially in passing situations.
A corner with poor football instincts is usually a corner who doesn't even get a UDFA contract, let alone make an NFL roster.
What evidence points to poor football instincts? I see just the opposite - he's always around the ball, and he's in the TEs pocket when asked to cover.
His issue to date is he doesn't deliver the pain you'd expect from a LB or a 240 lb safety.
He really struggles shedding blockers. Now maybe that’s not as big of an issue at slot CB as it is LB, but it still matters. As will teams game planning to get him matched up with a slot WR.
Like I said, Bowen is a good DC, so I’ll trust his judgement until he shows me I shouldn’t. The other thing to point out is that Simmons was working with the 3rd team yesterday, so we all shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves.
He’s paid like a million a year. He’s being paid like a fringe player. If he can help at all be happy. Hes certainly paid probably a little less than he’s worth so who the fuck cares.
Some guys are more athlete than football player.
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The guy is a freakish athlete with poor football instincts. Ultimately, his best use to me is a Joker. Usually rushing the passer from wherever he is on the field, or occasionally faking the pass rush and either falling back in zone or covering tight ends/running backs in man. So a platoon with McFadden feels like his most obvious use, especially in passing situations.
A corner with poor football instincts is usually a corner who doesn't even get a UDFA contract, let alone make an NFL roster.
What evidence points to poor football instincts? I see just the opposite - he's always around the ball, and he's in the TEs pocket when asked to cover.
His issue to date is he doesn't deliver the pain you'd expect from a LB or a 240 lb safety.
Going around blockers rather than through them, being very slow at processing what he sees thereby slowing his reaction time and nullifying his athletic advantage, making bad decisions in terms of pursuit angles and, as you say, not playing with requisite NFL physicality... I could go on and on, but the Cardinals trading a top ten pick for a seventh round pick two years later pretty much makes the point.
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The guy is a freakish athlete with poor football instincts. Ultimately, his best use to me is a Joker. Usually rushing the passer from wherever he is on the field, or occasionally faking the pass rush and either falling back in zone or covering tight ends/running backs in man. So a platoon with McFadden feels like his most obvious use, especially in passing situations.
A corner with poor football instincts is usually a corner who doesn't even get a UDFA contract, let alone make an NFL roster.
What evidence points to poor football instincts? I see just the opposite - he's always around the ball, and he's in the TEs pocket when asked to cover.
His issue to date is he doesn't deliver the pain you'd expect from a LB or a 240 lb safety.
Going around blockers rather than through them, being very slow at processing what he sees thereby slowing his reaction time and nullifying his athletic advantage, making bad decisions in terms of pursuit angles and, as you say, not playing with requisite NFL physicality... I could go on and on, but the Cardinals trading a top ten pick for a seventh round pick two years later pretty much makes the point.
You've seen all that? Amazing.
No. He doesn't do any of them well.
He’s paid like a million a year. He’s being paid like a fringe player. If he can help at all be happy. Hes certainly paid probably a little less than he’s worth so who the fuck cares.
Some guys are more athlete than football player.
Imagine that, a football board discussing football strategy? News at 11.
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in oblivious run downs.
Our D has indeed been oblivious on run downs ....
Nice...
But safety was the Cards strongest unit; 2 of the 3 highest paid Cardinals are safeties. Extending Jalen Thompson (at $12MM a year) made Simmons a resource-allocation issue.
Shortly before the trade, Gannon said.
"He's been reliable back there, which is the first trait of a safety to me," "He's in the right spot all the time. He shows range and some hitting ability, a little bit of coverage ability, downhill striking ability. Long way to go, but I like where he is at."
[diametrically opposite of his BBI non-fan club].
Simmons stands to benefit from Burns and the scheme change as much as anyone on the team. Bowen wants to rush 4, but that doesn't mean the same 4. If you listen to the DL interviews there's plenty of coverage drops. Simmons said he thinks this scheme is especially fitting.
I don't get the hate. Well I do cause it's BBI -- just not what's behind it.
Simmons is not an instinctual football player. He plays slower than he is unless he is playing a specific role. Me personally I’d have him as a coverage LB and spot blitzer or part of the NASCAR package on 3rd down. Asking him to read plays is going to get you burned
Simmons is not an instinctual football player. He plays slower than he is unless he is playing a specific role. Me personally I’d have him as a coverage LB and spot blitzer or part of the NASCAR package on 3rd down. Asking him to read plays is going to get you burned
You haven't actually watched him have you.
But safety was the Cards strongest unit; 2 of the 3 highest paid Cardinals are safeties. Extending Jalen Thompson (at $12MM a year) made Simmons a resource-allocation issue.
Shortly before the trade, Gannon said.
"He's been reliable back there, which is the first trait of a safety to me," "He's in the right spot all the time. He shows range and some hitting ability, a little bit of coverage ability, downhill striking ability. Long way to go, but I like where he is at."
[diametrically opposite of his BBI non-fan club].
Simmons stands to benefit from Burns and the scheme change as much as anyone on the team. Bowen wants to rush 4, but that doesn't mean the same 4. If you listen to the DL interviews there's plenty of coverage drops. Simmons said he thinks this scheme is especially fitting.
I don't get the hate. Well I do cause it's BBI -- just not what's behind it.
Quoting the HC of a team looking to trade him may not be the best barometer, of course he's going to praise him. At the end of the day, he went for a 7th round pick, which tells you what the NFL thought of him. You may think we're all idiots, but NFL GM's too?
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For AZ in the slot in '22 in his hybrid role; he was 3rd on the team in sacks, picks, and tackles; his 2 forced fumbles led the team. Then Kingsbury got axed; Simmons told Gannon/Ralis he preferred to play and master a single position -- safety.
But safety was the Cards strongest unit; 2 of the 3 highest paid Cardinals are safeties. Extending Jalen Thompson (at $12MM a year) made Simmons a resource-allocation issue.
Shortly before the trade, Gannon said.
"He's been reliable back there, which is the first trait of a safety to me," "He's in the right spot all the time. He shows range and some hitting ability, a little bit of coverage ability, downhill striking ability. Long way to go, but I like where he is at."
[diametrically opposite of his BBI non-fan club].
Simmons stands to benefit from Burns and the scheme change as much as anyone on the team. Bowen wants to rush 4, but that doesn't mean the same 4. If you listen to the DL interviews there's plenty of coverage drops. Simmons said he thinks this scheme is especially fitting.
I don't get the hate. Well I do cause it's BBI -- just not what's behind it.
Quoting the HC of a team looking to trade him may not be the best barometer, of course he's going to praise him. At the end of the day, he went for a 7th round pick, which tells you what the NFL thought of him. You may think we're all idiots, but NFL GM's too?
LOL, he was so dominant that they let him go for potentially Mr Irrelevant.
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LOL, he was so dominant that they let him go for potentially Mr Irrelevant.
What else were they going to do>
Dick.
Shortly before the trade, Gannon said.
"He's been reliable back there, which is the first trait of a safety to me," "He's in the right spot all the time. He shows range and some hitting ability, a little bit of coverage ability, downhill striking ability. Long way to go, but I like where
This is a horrible endorsement
For context, that's more impact plays than McKinney made last year playing every snap -- a guy BBI is ripping Schoen for letting walk for $67,000,000.
He may never be great player, or a pro-bowler as most draft write-ups projected, but it's beyond ludicrous -- full on troll actually -- to say he's not good.
That shouldn’t be hard to understand, but here we are.