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Interpreting What We've Been Shown On Hard Knocks (QB Vs WR)

Trainmaster : 7/24/2024 11:46 pm
Acknowledging:

1) Hard Knocks is about getting viewers, particularly non-Giants fans, so editing is about making the footage they captured the most interesting / dramatic it can be.

2) The Giants reportedly have some kind of final editorial / ability to delete or "fuzz" information.


How likely is it that the Giants reported interest in selecting a QB, likely involving a trade up, was mostly / entirely a smoke screen to increase the chance that MHJ or Nabers would be available to the Giants at 6th overall without a trade up?

In the scene where Schoen is going over possible draft outcomes on the screen in front of Mara and Tisch (pretty cool by the way), Schoen displayed the "Giants intel on other teams" (obviously intel not uniquely known by the Giants) and how important is was in prediction who would be available at 6th overall.

If the Giants had ignored or done minimal interviews with the QBs and had focused even more strongly on "offensive weapons", how likely is that another team would have traded up to get Nabers?

Given how "loose lipped" the Giants had been in years past, with teams jumping ahead of the Giants multiple times, could the Giants have gone overboard in laying a thick QB interest smoke screen?

Obviously Atlanta stayed very tight lipped about any interest in Penix. Was the Giants QB interest sufficient to keep other teams guessing so that Nabers would fall to them?
The Giants aren't wasting their time for ratings.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2024 12:13 am : link
It really is simple. The Giants need better play all around at every position. Are you suggesting the Giants made it look like they wanted a QB to drop a WR? No offense but that is dumb. If they thought that, they would have been hyping up McCarthy, Penix, and Nix. They obviously had interest in the top 3 QBs. Schoen made it known that Daniels wasn't an option when he talked to his son. That means Maye was the only one left. They aren't wasting their time on draft day for a tv show. It's ridiculous. It isn't one or the other. It is both. They need multiple players at multiple positions.
I'm Not Suggesting The Giants Did Anything Because Of Hard Knocks  
Trainmaster : 7/25/2024 12:19 am : link
My Hard Knocks reference is that the information we're seeing is what got through the Giants "editing filter" and may have been edited to give us a completely different opinion of what the Giants really did / were thinking.

I'm saying did the Giants "lay the QB interest on thick" to keep other teams guessing at the Giants moves more so than the Giants have done recently.
And Of Course The Giants Had To Do Some 'Due Diligence'  
Trainmaster : 7/25/2024 12:20 am : link
on the top 3 QBs in the odd chance one dropped due to some late breaking injury or character concern.
RE: I'm Not Suggesting The Giants Did Anything Because Of Hard Knocks  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2024 12:25 am : link
In comment 16559228 Trainmaster said:
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My Hard Knocks reference is that the information we're seeing is what got through the Giants "editing filter" and may have been edited to give us a completely different opinion of what the Giants really did / were thinking.

I'm saying did the Giants "lay the QB interest on thick" to keep other teams guessing at the Giants moves more so than the Giants have done recently.


I mean that is every team though. It is easy to hide your intentions when you have so many needs. I think this regime throws more smoke than any other regime we have had. I think when news first breaks, that is usually something they don't want getting out and then they follow that up with smoke sort of like the JJM interest. Look at Burns. We didn't hear all that much. Some did. I think Eric got wind but kept it close, but in terms of beats or guys like Garafolo, news didn't really get out until it was agreed to.
I do not think  
TrueBlue56 : 7/25/2024 4:57 am : link
The interest in the quarterbacks was a smokescreen. It was very legitimate, but they wanted one of the top 3. The smokescreen was McCarthy. They felt confident enough that Arizona really wanted Harrison and weren't trading out. The chargers were a bit of a wild card, because even if they felt confident that they wanted an offensive tackle, they knew they could go wide receiver or trade out to a team wanting a wide receiver.

They wanted to draw interest for a team to trade up for a quarterback (McCarthy) if a team was going to trade up.
You guys way overthink what was going on  
ZogZerg : 7/25/2024 6:22 am : link
It was obvious before the draft, after the draft, and after Hard knox that a QB was in play if it was one of the top ones. Otherwise they were going with one of the stud WRs.

They literally spelled it out in graphics on the show.
RE: The Giants aren't wasting their time for ratings.  
Gman11 : 7/25/2024 7:09 am : link
In comment 16559224 robbieballs2003 said:
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It really is simple. The Giants need better play all around at every position. Are you suggesting the Giants made it look like they wanted a QB to drop a WR? No offense but that is dumb. If they thought that, they would have been hyping up McCarthy, Penix, and Nix. They obviously had interest in the top 3 QBs. Schoen made it known that Daniels wasn't an option when he talked to his son. That means Maye was the only one left. They aren't wasting their time on draft day for a tv show. It's ridiculous. It isn't one or the other. It is both. They need multiple players at multiple positions.


The voice of reason. Well said.
RE: I'm Not Suggesting The Giants Did Anything Because Of Hard Knocks  
k2tampa : 7/25/2024 8:25 am : link
In comment 16559228 Trainmaster said:
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My Hard Knocks reference is that the information we're seeing is what got through the Giants "editing filter" and may have been edited to give us a completely different opinion of what the Giants really did / were thinking.

I'm saying did the Giants "lay the QB interest on thick" to keep other teams guessing at the Giants moves more so than the Giants have done recently.


So you think they told their QB they might draft a QB, and risked creating bad blood, because they were trying to deceive other teams? Or Schoen called the Pats and made an offer hoping they would say no?

Fans should understand that most teams know exactly what other teams need and are likely to do in the draft. Teams know which teams are trying to trade up or are willing to trade down.

All these complaints in the past about leaks that 'recealed' who the Giants wanted were pretty silly, especially when the same fans had been talking for months about who the Giants needed. Teams know what other teams need.

Occasionally, there is a curveball (Penix), but wouldn't it be nice to know if other teams were as surprised by that as fans were?


I think it was pretty clear  
Everyone Relax : 7/25/2024 9:07 am : link
in Hard Knocks, unless you believe that was edited to look that way. It was trade up for Maye or sit and hope for Nabers.
It was a trade up for Maye, or stay for Nabers  
JonC : 7/25/2024 9:17 am : link
The End.
RE: It was a trade up for Maye, or stay for Nabers  
AcidTest : 7/25/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16559340 JonC said:
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The End.


You don't think they would have tried to trade up for Daniels if the Commanders had taken Maye?
If you listen to the Hard Knocks podcast...  
D HOS : 7/25/2024 10:06 am : link
Especially the first episode with an interview with John Mara, you get the understanding that while it may not be "complete", it is not dishonest.
RE: RE: It was a trade up for Maye, or stay for Nabers  
JonC : 7/25/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16559371 AcidTest said:
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In comment 16559340 JonC said:


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The End.



You don't think they would have tried to trade up for Daniels if the Commanders had taken Maye?


I think they knew Daniels was going to Wash.
RE: It was a trade up for Maye, or stay for Nabers  
The Mike : 7/25/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16559340 JonC said:
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The End.


This ^
RE: RE: It was a trade up for Maye, or stay for Nabers  
Reale01 : 7/25/2024 11:34 am : link
In comment 16559394 The Mike said:
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In comment 16559340 JonC said:


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The End.



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