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All-Time ‘Athletic Freak’ but Letdown Team

BleedingBlue2 : 7/25/2024 9:55 am
With all the Isaiah Simmons talks it got me thinking about the players who were great college guys, touted as ‘freakish’ during the combine/draft, but then just never put it together in the NFL.

Taylor Mays came to mind. Who else is worthy of this team?
The JPP of TEs, whatever his name was..  
aquidneck : 7/25/2024 9:56 am : link
I forget.
For the Giants?  
Biteymax22 : 7/25/2024 10:06 am : link
Tim Carter is the first name that comes to mind
Although he was a lineman Mandarich was supposedly a freak athlete  
steve in ky : 7/25/2024 10:08 am : link
He comes to mind
RB  
hopthered : 7/25/2024 10:23 am : link
Sean Bennet
RE: Although he was a lineman Mandarich was supposedly a freak athlete  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/25/2024 10:25 am : link
In comment 16559382 steve in ky said:
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He comes to mind


An obvious steroid user when he was at Michigan State. And GB picked him over Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders and Derrick Thomas, LOFL.
Jason Sehorn  
NJBlueTuna : 7/25/2024 10:45 am : link
I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.
RE: The JPP of TEs, whatever his name was..  
Angel Eyes : 7/25/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16559370 aquidneck said:
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I forget.

Larry Donnell?
RE: Jason Sehorn  
Matt M. : 7/25/2024 10:48 am : link
In comment 16559437 NJBlueTuna said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.
Really? I loved him and think he was a great CB before he was hurt. But, I didn't find anything freakish about his athleticism.
The first name that came to mind was Mandarich  
Matt M. : 7/25/2024 10:49 am : link
But, how much was freakish athleticism vs. obvious steroid use. He has to be one of the top 5 busts of all time.
RE: RE: The JPP of TEs, whatever his name was..  
McNally's_Nuts : 7/25/2024 10:50 am : link
In comment 16559442 Angel Eyes said:
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I forget.


Larry Donnell?


Adrian Robinson. Caught a few passes.
I remember Keith Rivers  
McNally's_Nuts : 7/25/2024 10:52 am : link
being the next big thing for linebackers and he was awful. Afraid of contact.

Aaron Curry came a few years after him.
Vernon Gholston, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Matt Jones,  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/25/2024 10:52 am : link
Saquon Barkley.
Mike  
Giantsbigblue : 7/25/2024 10:57 am : link
Mamula was the first one I remember
RE: RE: Jason Sehorn  
Johnny5 : 7/25/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16559443 Matt M. said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.

Really? I loved him and think he was a great CB before he was hurt. But, I didn't find anything freakish about his athleticism.

Yeah he was incredibly strong for his size, and faster before he tore his knee up. Really an incredible all around athlete. I wouldn't say he let down the Giants though, he had a pretty good career even after he tore up his knee.
RE: Jason Sehorn  
HBart : 7/25/2024 11:17 am : link
In comment 16559437 NJBlueTuna said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.

Absolutely. I was on the sideline for a couple Skins games in his era and met him. He looked like Robocop and was one of the fastest guys on the field. Like Simmons less 20 pounds.
RE: Vernon Gholston, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Matt Jones,  
JayBinQueens : 7/25/2024 11:18 am : link
In comment 16559455 Lafferty, Daniel said:
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Saquon Barkley.


One if these things is not like the others...
RE: Jason Sehorn  
Section331 : 7/25/2024 11:20 am : link
In comment 16559437 NJBlueTuna said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.


True, but he was a very good player, so he doesn’t fit the point of this thread.
RE: Mike  
JohnG in Albany : 7/25/2024 11:21 am : link
In comment 16559459 Giantsbigblue said:
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Mamula was the first one I remember


He's the patron saint of this list. *grin*
We’ve drafted a few of these guys  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/25/2024 11:25 am : link
Adrian Robinson - The JPP of Tight Ends … LOL
Clint Sintim
Oshane Ximenes
Elerson Smith

Big athletic guys that didn’t do anything in the NFL.
RE: RE: Mike  
Section331 : 7/25/2024 11:25 am : link
In comment 16559494 JohnG in Albany said:
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Mamula was the first one I remember



He's the patron saint of this list. *grin*


Definitely, he was the OG of overhyped Combine athletes. So funny that Philly fell for it.
Sehorn wasn’t a letdown, he got hurt  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2024 11:40 am : link
but was very good prior
Does Tim Tebow  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2024 11:53 am : link
qualify? Obviously one of the most decorated college players of all time and probably on the top 50 or so list of best college players of all time.

RE: Does Tim Tebow  
Section331 : 7/25/2024 11:56 am : link
In comment 16559555 pjcas18 said:
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qualify? Obviously one of the most decorated college players of all time and probably on the top 50 or so list of best college players of all time.


Yeah, that’s a good one, but you may get push back from some of the Tebow worshipers here.
Tebow had some success though  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2024 12:11 pm : link
and his warts were known heading into the league. When I think letdown I think of player who didn’t come close to meeting expectations, like a Heyward-Bey. Unreal speed but absolutely stunk.
RE: Tebow had some success though  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2024 12:19 pm : link
In comment 16559583 UConn4523 said:
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and his warts were known heading into the league. When I think letdown I think of player who didn’t come close to meeting expectations, like a Heyward-Bey. Unreal speed but absolutely stunk.


Tebow was a 1st round pick who lasted two seasons with his draft team and less than 3 on an NFL roster.

he played 35 NFL games.

Heyward-Bey lasted 10 years in the NFL and played in 144 games and had over 200 receptions and 16 TDs. Tebow, a QB, had just 17 TD passes, lol.

I get with a QB it may be harder to hang on than WR, but I don't see much difference in their NFL success.

RE: Does Tim Tebow  
Matt M. : 7/25/2024 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16559555 pjcas18 said:
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qualify? Obviously one of the most decorated college players of all time and probably on the top 50 or so list of best college players of all time.
He's a weird one because how many really expected him to have NFL success?
RE: Sehorn wasn’t a letdown, he got hurt  
Matt M. : 7/25/2024 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16559534 UConn4523 said:
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but was very good prior
This.
John Ross  
Mike in NY : 7/25/2024 12:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: Does Tim Tebow  
Semipro Lineman : 7/25/2024 12:36 pm : link
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qualify? Obviously one of the most decorated college players of all time and probably on the top 50 or so list of best college players of all time.


He's a weird one because how many really expected him to have NFL success?


Was Tim Tebow really thought of as an Athletic Freak coming out of college? When it comes to QB Athletic freaks, I then to think of RG3, Justin Fields, and Josh Allen. Guys who everyone believed was going to be runners/passers types. I don't remember Tebow being thought of in that class, more like people believe his pocket passing was better than it was...
Ramses Barden  
SimpleMan : 7/25/2024 12:52 pm : link
His college tape was something else. Granted, he was playing against 8th grade level competition. But wasn't he considered a "freak" athletically?
Jackie Shipp  
Red Dog : 7/25/2024 12:58 pm : link
Miami LB with really serious speed (some say the fastest LB ever, but that's probably overstating it a bit) was was always late to the scene and very rarely made a real play.

Joe Don Looney.  
MOOPS : 7/25/2024 1:09 pm : link
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RE: RE: Tebow had some success though  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2024 1:15 pm : link
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and his warts were known heading into the league. When I think letdown I think of player who didn’t come close to meeting expectations, like a Heyward-Bey. Unreal speed but absolutely stunk.



Tebow was a 1st round pick who lasted two seasons with his draft team and less than 3 on an NFL roster.

he played 35 NFL games.

Heyward-Bey lasted 10 years in the NFL and played in 144 games and had over 200 receptions and 16 TDs. Tebow, a QB, had just 17 TD passes, lol.

I get with a QB it may be harder to hang on than WR, but I don't see much difference in their NFL success.


Two completely different scenarios. Tebow was lucky to be drafted in the 1st by probably the one guy dumb enough to take him and he had a successful season, one far better than anything DHB did despite playing a lot longer (part of why he hung around is due to his elite speed and getting additional chances because of it).

That said we may be answering this question differently so that’s a factor as well.
Brian Bosworth ???  
Spider56 : 7/25/2024 1:22 pm : link
A whole lot of hype coming out of OU …. 2 years, 4 sacks later, career over.
RE: RE: Jason Sehorn  
NJBlueTuna : 7/25/2024 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16559492 Section331 said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.



True, but he was a very good player, so he doesn’t fit the point of this thread.


Then you underestimate his athleticism. If you watched him play, he was a stud for all of approx 2 years and still ascending until they had him do returns and he wrecked his knee. Game over. So yes, he was a “very good player” for 2 years but his potential, as translated to on the field dominance, was seen and just getting better.

It was a letdown from what could have been. As an extreme analogy, Bo Jackson is the poster child for this. Great player, for a few short years, and his injury was a “letdown” for what could have been. Like Sehorn, an athletic freak which translated on the field, ascending re gameday performance, and then total disappointment after injury.
RE: Brian Bosworth ???  
NJBlueTuna : 7/25/2024 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16559653 Spider56 said:
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A whole lot of hype coming out of OU …. 2 years, 4 sacks later, career over.


I don’t think he was ever that good in the pros. Great in college, full marketing hype by early 90s standards, and Bo Jackson literally broke him in the Monday night game. Bo ran directly at him 3x in a row even though he could have ran outside. He had 200 yds in that game. Bo admitted after he wanted to break Bosworths spirit. The game cameras even showed bosworth leaving the field crying from what Bo did to him in the 3 consecutive runs up the middle.
RE: RE: RE: Does Tim Tebow  
mfjmfj : 7/25/2024 1:42 pm : link
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qualify? Obviously one of the most decorated college players of all time and probably on the top 50 or so list of best college players of all time.


He's a weird one because how many really expected him to have NFL success?



Was Tim Tebow really thought of as an Athletic Freak coming out of college? When it comes to QB Athletic freaks, I then to think of RG3, Justin Fields, and Josh Allen. Guys who everyone believed was going to be runners/passers types. I don't remember Tebow being thought of in that class, more like people believe his pocket passing was better than it was...


Tim Tebow RAS 9.92
RG3 9.88
Allen 9.74

Don't think Fields has one reported,but almost certainly lower than Tebow. Tebow was a great athlete, quite possibly the greatest college player of all time, and could not play at the NFL level.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Tim Tebow  
NJBlueTuna : 7/25/2024 1:46 pm : link
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qualify? Obviously one of the most decorated college players of all time and probably on the top 50 or so list of best college players of all time.


He's a weird one because how many really expected him to have NFL success?



Was Tim Tebow really thought of as an Athletic Freak coming out of college? When it comes to QB Athletic freaks, I then to think of RG3, Justin Fields, and Josh Allen. Guys who everyone believed was going to be runners/passers types. I don't remember Tebow being thought of in that class, more like people believe his pocket passing was better than it was...



Tim Tebow RAS 9.92
RG3 9.88
Allen 9.74

Don't think Fields has one reported,but almost certainly lower than Tebow. Tebow was a great athlete, quite possibly the greatest college player of all time, and could not play at the NFL level.


He was a great all around athlete but not a freak at anyone thing. In college, that translates and he was a great leader and teammate. In the pros, being a leader and teammate doesn’t translate if you can’t make the throws. His throwing mechanics and arm were awful. He also had a pretty good supporting cast in college.
RE: RE: RE: Jason Sehorn  
Section331 : 7/25/2024 1:49 pm : link
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.



True, but he was a very good player, so he doesn’t fit the point of this thread.



Then you underestimate his athleticism. If you watched him play, he was a stud for all of approx 2 years and still ascending until they had him do returns and he wrecked his knee. Game over. So yes, he was a “very good player” for 2 years but his potential, as translated to on the field dominance, was seen and just getting better.

It was a letdown from what could have been. As an extreme analogy, Bo Jackson is the poster child for this. Great player, for a few short years, and his injury was a “letdown” for what could have been. Like Sehorn, an athletic freak which translated on the field, ascending re gameday performance, and then total disappointment after injury.


I don’t disagree that he was a tremendous athlete, I disagree that his career was a disappointment. Even after the knee injury, he was a very good CB, and was critical in the SB run in 2000.
David Wilson  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/25/2024 2:02 pm : link
freak athlete but non-NFL caliber vision.

Outside of that one monster performance against the Saints, he really didn't live up to his athletic potential.
RE: Jason Sehorn  
jnoble : 7/25/2024 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16559437 NJBlueTuna said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.


Recently Michael Strahan said Sehorn was the absolute best athlete he ever worked with
RE: Brian Bosworth ???  
jnoble : 7/25/2024 2:11 pm : link
In comment 16559653 Spider56 said:
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A whole lot of hype coming out of OU …. 2 years, 4 sacks later, career over.


His doctor told him he had the shoulders of an elderly man
RE: RE: Jason Sehorn  
penkap75 : 7/25/2024 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16559443 Matt M. said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.

Really? I loved him and think he was a great CB before he was hurt. But, I didn't find anything freakish about his athleticism.



Nobody wants to say it, but he has freakish athleticism for a whiteguy playing DB. But as others have mentioned, he was not a letdown because he was actually a good DB cut down by injuries. He was not a Jane who looked like Tarzan, which I assume was the point of the thread.
"No Gain Dayne"  
Blue21 : 7/25/2024 2:19 pm : link
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TE Travis Beckham  
RomanWH : 7/25/2024 2:40 pm : link
Not all-time combine guy but that one crazy picture of him in mid-air was crazy athletic.

Whomever said Matt Jones above nailed a great one. 6'6", 242 lb QB who ran a 4.37 40. 39.5" vert and a 10'9" broad jump at the combine. Guy was drafted in the 1st rnd by Jax to be a WR at the 21st overall pick even though he played QB at Arkansas his entire college career. His best year in the NFL Jones had 761 rec yards and 2 TDs(2008).
RE: Brian Bosworth ???  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/25/2024 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16559653 Spider56 said:
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A whole lot of hype coming out of OU …. 2 years, 4 sacks later, career over.


My college roommate had this poster LoL


JaMarcus Russell  
VanPelt/Manning#10 : 7/25/2024 7:03 pm : link
As I recall, he could throw the ball a million miles, so he clearly had some athletic freakishness. Too bad he also had some psychological freakiness that led him to let himself go and just not apply himself to the game. Gee, now that I think of it, how come nobody's mentioned our favorite whipping boy, Kadarius Toney?
I remember quite a few:  
DeVito32 : 7/25/2024 11:25 pm : link
Mandarich
Robert Gallery
Brian Bosworth
Mike Mamula
Gholston
Aundrey Bruce
Lavar Arrington - Thought he was gonna be what Parsons is.. maybe even better.
Aaron Curry
Derrick Harvey
Courtney Brown
Keith McCants
Blair Thomas
Curtis Enis
Andre Wadsworth
Ki-jana Carter

This list depresses me because I’m a huge Penn St. fan. They had some elite athletes that really sucked in the NFL


Call me crazy...first to come to mind...Jeremy Shockey  
KingBlue : 7/26/2024 7:45 am : link
When he burst on to the scene, he was electric, physical beast. Letdown team... he fits.
Renaldo Nehemiah  
section302 : 7/26/2024 9:41 am : link
Olympic hurdler. I believe he played a couple of years for San Francisco as a wr way back when.
RE: Renaldo Nehemiah  
nochance : 7/26/2024 10:03 am : link
In comment 16560097 section302 said:
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Olympic hurdler. I believe he played a couple of years for San Francisco as a wr way back when.



All world speed just not a football player
RE: Call me crazy...first to come to mind...Jeremy Shockey  
djm : 7/26/2024 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16560044 KingBlue said:
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When he burst on to the scene, he was electric, physical beast. Letdown team... he fits.


4 time pro bowler with 5-6 playoff seasons and a super bowl ring. HE doesn't fit at all. We all hoped he would be a HOF player but that doesn't mean he was a massive disappointment.

Derrick Brown is a better example.
RE: Mike  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/26/2024 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16559459 Giantsbigblue said:
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Mamula was the first one I remember


This. He wasn't anywhere near a 1st round prospect and shot up in the draft.
RE: Jason Sehorn  
SomeFan : 7/27/2024 11:59 am : link
In comment 16559437 NJBlueTuna said:
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I don’t think people realize what a freak he was athletically.
yes on athleticism but he did not let down the team. He got injured and did not fully return to his old form. I think the OP means players who never were any good though they were great athletes. That is not Sehorn. He dominated some games from the CB position.

Our drafted TE is athletic for the position. I am hoping he isn't one of those looks like Tarzan plays like Jane guys
RE: RE: Call me crazy...first to come to mind...Jeremy Shockey  
SomeFan : 7/27/2024 12:01 pm : link
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When he burst on to the scene, he was electric, physical beast. Letdown team... he fits.



4 time pro bowler with 5-6 playoff seasons and a super bowl ring. HE doesn't fit at all. We all hoped he would be a HOF player but that doesn't mean he was a massive disappointment.

Derrick Brown is a better example.
Shockey? That is just wrong. I agree with Derek Brown. He fits the bill to a T. Not Shockey though.
RE: David Wilson  
SomeFan : 7/27/2024 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16559695 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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freak athlete but non-NFL caliber vision.

Outside of that one monster performance against the Saints, he really didn't live up to his athletic potential.
ueah, agree, he was a track athlete, not an NFL player.
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