Welcome to another series thread, this time against the hated Braves. Both teams would be in the playoffs if they started today. There’s even a realistic chance that they could play against each other in the Wildcard round, so this series carries a lot of weight. The Mets have a record of
3-3 against them so far this season. Kodai Senga will be making his season-debut in this series. The Mets completed their road trip against the Marlins & Yankees to start the post All-Star Break portion of the schedule with a record of 4-2. Click
HERE to read a series preview of this series. Enjoy 😊!
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Mets vs. Braves: Game 1 –⚾Severino (R) vs. Sale (L)⚾– 7:10 pm EDT
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Flushing against the Barfs.
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be televised on SNY, as will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for tonight's game at Citi Field is expected to be decent. Showers were expected around gametime before, but that's no longer the case. Click
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-The Mets are 53-48 now & are sitting in the 2nd Wildcard spot in the National League as of the start of business today. Click
HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both leagues. By virtue of their impressive victory yesterday, the Mets are now 5 games over .500, which is their high-water mark of the season. They’re only 1.5 games behind the Braves too, who are in possession of the 1st N.L. Wildcard spot going into this game. The Braves enter this series having lost 7 of their last 10 games; the Mets come into this series having won 7 of their last 10 games.
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-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of
Torrens (R), Bader (R), Nimmo (L), & Gamel (L). 
Senga back from the IL with a Houser DFA.
Nunez to the IL with a pronator strain. Fujinami sent to DFA land. Orze up.
Yup. I don't what a pronator strain is so no idea how long he'll be out.
Stearns probably needs to add 2 more pen arms.
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Yup. I don't what a pronator strain is so no idea how long he'll be out.
Stearns probably needs to add 2 more pen arms.
Flexor Pronator Strain
Not a bad idea. Wonder what SFG would need.
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they are really dropping like flies. if SFG is really desperate to get under the lux tax maybe we take conforto and both rogers off their hands. easy 1 stop shopping.
Not a bad idea. Wonder what SFG would need.
so those 3 would save them around $11m rest of year plus $12m next year with Rogers. they would only need to make 1 or 2 other trades to get themselves under the lux tax.
to save that much money i really dont think mets would have to give up anything of value. throw them ramirez and a few other pupu platter items.
id be interested in jordan hicks if they are willing to move him too. apparently snell is a very popular name on the trade market now that he's pitching better and doesnt have a ton of money left this year. bottomline i guess if they want to save $ it's a place mets could use their financial capabilities instead of giving us much in prospects for some of their guys.
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they are really dropping like flies. if SFG is really desperate to get under the lux tax maybe we take conforto and both rogers off their hands. easy 1 stop shopping.
Not a bad idea. Wonder what SFG would need.
so those 3 would save them around $11m rest of year plus $12m next year with Rogers. they would only need to make 1 or 2 other trades to get themselves under the lux tax.
to save that much money i really dont think mets would have to give up anything of value. throw them ramirez and a few other pupu platter items.
id be interested in jordan hicks if they are willing to move him too. apparently snell is a very popular name on the trade market now that he's pitching better and doesnt have a ton of money left this year. bottomline i guess if they want to save $ it's a place mets could use their financial capabilities instead of giving us much in prospects for some of their guys.
Taking on money to improve is by far our biggest advantage this time of year.
In this scenario (assuming my cost going to SF is in the right ballpark) the Mets give themselves a much better chance of a deep run IMO if they are able to get into the playoffs. Snell/Senga/Severino/Manaea is a pretty legit playoff rotation. They could even use both Scott/Butto as multi inning relievers in the playoffs if needed.
There's a chance it all blows up and you make these deals and miss the playoffs, but if you have a chance to make a run without giving up the farm, then its worth doing IMO.
Taking on money to improve is by far our biggest advantage this time of year.
bingo. mets should have a lot of choices of good players at reduced prices because other teams want to save money.
i wanted puk but i would imagine he brought back more than expected because he has 2 more years of cheap control that were kind of irrelevant for mets bc they could just as easily sign someone like him in the offseason for not that much more than the arb years.
In this scenario (assuming my cost going to SF is in the right ballpark) the Mets give themselves a much better chance of a deep run IMO if they are able to get into the playoffs. Snell/Senga/Severino/Manaea is a pretty legit playoff rotation. They could even use both Scott/Butto as multi inning relievers in the playoffs if needed.
There's a chance it all blows up and you make these deals and miss the playoffs, but if you have a chance to make a run without giving up the farm, then its worth doing IMO.
Interesting as well! I am a prospect hugger obviously so I would be nervy giving up Gilbert even though that probably is fair. I think he can help us down the stretch starting in RF.
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would be a great deadline haul. Can't imagine Snell would be tooo expensive given that offers he got this offseason and how this season has gone. I'd offer up Gilbert, Hamel and another secondary piece (or maybe eating a salary dump of some sort). That'd probably give Mets some flexibility to trade Peterson (and his multiple remaining years of cheap control) if they are feeling a bit lucky with the back end of their rotation depth.
In this scenario (assuming my cost going to SF is in the right ballpark) the Mets give themselves a much better chance of a deep run IMO if they are able to get into the playoffs. Snell/Senga/Severino/Manaea is a pretty legit playoff rotation. They could even use both Scott/Butto as multi inning relievers in the playoffs if needed.
There's a chance it all blows up and you make these deals and miss the playoffs, but if you have a chance to make a run without giving up the farm, then its worth doing IMO.
Interesting as well! I am a prospect hugger obviously so I would be nervy giving up Gilbert even though that probably is fair. I think he can help us down the stretch starting in RF.
I'd rather give then Acuna but I doubt thatd be enough. There'd a chance that Gilbert turns into a Victorino type and we regret that trade, but that can happen trading any prospect.
Are you suggesting the Mets trade Drew Gilbert and 2 other pieces AND take on salary ?? And then trade away David Peterson ??
Ouch !!
remember to save a few mil maton was free.
puk was traded for a guy who was a rule 5 pick in november and returned a few months ago.
the point of taking on money beyond what puk was making is to get players at a lower prospect cost. not a higher one.
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would be a great deadline haul. Can't imagine Snell would be tooo expensive given that offers he got this offseason and how this season has gone. I'd offer up Gilbert, Hamel and another secondary piece (or maybe eating a salary dump of some sort). That'd probably give Mets some flexibility to trade Peterson (and his multiple remaining years of cheap control) if they are feeling a bit lucky with the back end of their rotation depth.
Are you suggesting the Mets trade Drew Gilbert and 2 other pieces AND take on salary ?? And then trade away David Peterson ??
Ouch !!
I'm not going to be mad if you want to stand pat, but I'm not sure how else you can add a cy young winner for the stretch run. Gilbert was traded as part of a package juts last year for an ancient Verlander and has been hurt all year. Borderline top 100 prospect types fly around at the deadline all the time.
And I'd like to keep David Peterson, now that he's found himself.
agreed. my list of guys id be willing to trade includes Stuart, Hamel, Vasil, Ramirez, Parada, Baro, Ewing. Houck and Parada are probably the 2 biggest "names" i'd be willing to move. Ideally you can get a decent package of arms for a Ramirez/Hamel type package.
interesting note from martino btw, have to think if they are "going for it" that means they are willing to spend to buy whatever they can get. Snell + some relievers from SFG would be perfect. If he keeps pitching well he probably opts out anyway.
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I asked a rival exec this morning what he was hearing about the Mets. “They’re going for it.”
I don't know what will happen with Butto going forward, but he is a valuable piece of the bullpen right now. With Nunez on the IL now, he may be 2nd only to Diaz. Maton up there as well.
D'Backs made a strong offer for Puk. Mets couldn't have matched that without having some seriously pissed off fans. De Los Santos is putting up ridiculous numbers. Just turned 21. 28 HR in 87 games between AA/AAA. Hitting .325. Don't know how that will translate to the majors, but wouldn't be surprised if the Mets didn't have a single hitter with that kind of upside in their entire system. Marlins did really well in getting him for a bullpen arm.
I don't know what will happen with Butto going forward, but he is a valuable piece of the bullpen right now. With Nunez on the IL now, he may be 2nd only to Diaz. Maton up there as well.
D'Backs made a strong offer for Puk. Mets couldn't have matched that without having some seriously pissed off fans. De Los Santos is putting up ridiculous numbers. Just turned 21. 28 HR in 87 games between AA/AAA. Hitting .325. Don't know how that will translate to the majors, but wouldn't be surprised if the Mets didn't have a single hitter with that kind of upside in their entire system. Marlins did really well in getting him for a bullpen arm.
De Los Santos is a good lotto ticket for Miami but he also has real flaws. I think Parada is probably the most comparable player in Mets system to him since he's now on a bit of a heater but also has some real flaws. Parada would have been a reasonable price to trade for Puk, though I'm not sure id have done it because i think mets will have better choices than that (adding equal or better players for lesser prospects by eating $).
Here's what Law said about the Miami return - I know nothing about the players beyond what i've read in the last 12 hours but i can only assume De Los Santos was left unprotected in rule 5 last dec (and then returned to AZ) for reasons that arent fully resolved by a good half in great hitting environments.
I don't know about ultimate upside compared to say Clifford Mauricio or Jett but yes Santos is on another level than Parada. Parada hasn't sniffed that level of success in the minors.
pedigree is also part of any prospect conversation and parada has a 937 ops this month in AA and his defense has supposedly gotten better. he got paid/drafted where he did for a reason. nobody is saying he's back to being a top prospect but he clearly has enough ability that something could click in his development and get him back on that path.
pedigree is also part of any prospect conversation and parada has a 937 ops this month in AA and his defense has supposedly gotten better. he got paid/drafted where he did for a reason. nobody is saying he's back to being a top prospect but he clearly has enough ability that something could click in his development and get him back on that path.
Of course floor is part of the consideration. I'd take Jett no doubt over him. I'd probably take Gilbert or Clifford as well. Acuna is a tough one. But all those players can contribute in more ways and have better floors.
That said, De Los Santos' numbers for a young 21 year old are very rarely seen at the levels he is at. If he can improve his plate discipline (I get a big if), he has IMO a higher ceiling than any Met.
My points stand that:
1. The Marlins did very well in getting a player with this kind of upside for Puk.
2. Mets fans would have been pissed if the Mets gave up the equivalent for Puk. My opinion on an equivalent would be probably an Acuna
De Los Santos was going to be extremely difficult to keep on a MLB roster this year as a 20 year old. Acuna is a different story in that he still has MLB useful speed and defensive versatility to where he could find a role on a team if he was selected in the rule 5 draft
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
being closer to the big leagues is im sure more appealing too. they have lacked loud bats forever.
but even with that if i were in their shoes i still may have preferred the catcher because that position capability doubles or triples the value of the upside. parada has also always showed power, at sea level no less.
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
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i think it's at worst debateable. part of that is the mets situation, they dont need a 1b only/dh with power but poor contact. they have clifford, vientos, baty, and heck even mauricio who i think are significantly better prospects than a flash in the pan with a 120rc in the PCL because they have power and contact upside (and position flex).
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
i may have, but i suspect by the end of the deadline we will see that there were preferable moves.
right now maton's era on the year is better than puks and he was free. as a met it's 1.5 through 6 innings and historically he's got a good track record on winning teams in high leverage.
i'd rather spend money to add talent than prospects. nick martinez or rogers from sfg could be free just to dump $ and they are also both a lot more accomplished than puk.
I actually had hopes he would be a reasonable back end starter. Strearns knew him really well from his time in Milwaukee, which also makes this surprising.
Losing Nunez hurts. Hopefully SRF fills the gap.
The comings and goings of the bull pen in 2024
But, yeah.....Parada is tradable.
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i think it's at worst debateable. part of that is the mets situation, they dont need a 1b only/dh with power but poor contact. they have clifford, vientos, baty, and heck even mauricio who i think are significantly better prospects than a flash in the pan with a 120rc in the PCL because they have power and contact upside (and position flex).
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
Agreed. I usually agree with Eric. But Parada would have been gone in a second for Puk
I actually had hopes he would be a reasonable back end starter. Strearns knew him really well from his time in Milwaukee, which also makes this surprising.
Losing Nunez hurts. Hopefully SRF fills the gap.
The comings and goings of the bull pen in 2024
Ooops! Old news I see!
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i think it's at worst debateable. part of that is the mets situation, they dont need a 1b only/dh with power but poor contact. they have clifford, vientos, baty, and heck even mauricio who i think are significantly better prospects than a flash in the pan with a 120rc in the PCL because they have power and contact upside (and position flex).
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
i may have, but i suspect by the end of the deadline we will see that there were preferable moves.
right now maton's era on the year is better than puks and he was free. as a met it's 1.5 through 6 innings and historically he's got a good track record on winning teams in high leverage.
i'd rather spend money to add talent than prospects. nick martinez or rogers from sfg could be free just to dump $ and they are also both a lot more accomplished than puk.
Good point, and I'm fine if we see moves like that, but Puk has been excellent out of the pen.
But, yeah.....Parada is tradable.
Gutierrez as well our top IFA sign from the previous year.
my guess is that stearns is preferring to leverage $ like he did with maton and isn't looking to move early out of desperation for someone who is "affordable" like puk was. i can understand why a team like AZ needed to do that.
if this ends up a situation like 2022 where they strike out and dont add anyone as good as puk then i will i say he screwed up and i would agree, id have done parada if that deal were on table. right now i dont expect that to happen though. i have confidence in stearns not pulling an inept-ppler.
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The Mets top IFA signing is also a Catcher, Yovanny Rodriguez. I realize he's a kid and certainly many years away from even the high minors.
But, yeah.....Parada is tradable.
Gutierrez as well our top IFA sign from the previous year.
can never have enough catchers,
and remember they are usually the slowest position to develop. depth in the low minors is great but it's unlikely we see those guys for 5+ years. alvarez is like 1 in 1000.
toronto trades yimi garcia to SEA
yimi would have been a good add. went for Jonatan Clase who seems somewhat comparable to acuna. maybe a bit lesser. logenhagen just ranked him 14th in their system at at 40 grade a few weeks ago.
#17 Baumeister (2023 2nd round pick)
nr etzel (was a 10th round pick last year, 167k bonus)
logenhagen had them lower on his recent list, he had horvath #25 at a 40 grade and baumeister at #13 with a 40+. etzel again unranked.
if these are the top of market prices for less expensive players, bodes reasonably well for mets. though id imagine tanner scott is probably going to cost more than any of the guys so far.
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Flushing against the Barfs.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be televised on SNY, as will tomorrow’s game.
- The weather for tonight's game at Citi Field is expected to be excellent. Click HERE to keep updated & see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-The Mets are coming off their 7th walk-off win of the season last night & are now only half a game behind the Braves for the 1st Wildcard spot in the National League. The Mets were 10 games behind them on June 3rd. Click HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both leagues. The Braves are cold now, having lost 5 in a row, while the Mets are hot, having won 4 in a row, with a chance to move past the Braves in the standings with a victory tonight in Kodai Senga’s season debut. After last night’s win, the Mets are 21-10 in one-run games this season.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions so far for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Bader (R), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L).
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The 6-man rotation is like so now:
Manaea (LHP)
Quintana (LHP)
Peterson (LHP)
Severino
Senga
**Megill (not added to the 26-man roster yet; will be added tomorrow for his start then)
I could easily see Butto and Megill switching spots soon btw.
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The bullpen consists of the following 8 guys at the moment (it'll be down to 7 tomorrow):
5 Righties:
Díaz
Buttó
Maton
Ottavino
Orze
3 Lefties:
Diekman
*Alex Young
*Danny Young
* = One of these two lefties will be sent down since room needs to be made on the 26-man roster for Megill; both of these lefties have options and the Mets having 3 southpaw relievers is overkill. 2 is more than enough.
07/26/24 - New York Mets placed RHP Dedniel Núñez on the 15-day injured list retroactive to July 24, 2024. Right pronator strain.
07/26/24 - New York Mets designated RHP Shintaro Fujinami for assignment.
07/26/24 - New York Mets activated RHP Kodai Senga from the 60-day injured list.
07/26/24 - New York Mets designated RHP Adrian Houser for assignment.
07/26/24 - New York Mets recalled RHP Eric Orze from Syracuse Mets.
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