I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
All Jones has to do is play at his 2022 level in terms of efficiency - however he gets there - and he's back in 2025. Maybe they draft a Cam Ward type in the 2nd or 3rd, but Jones playing like 12-15th best QB in 2024 almost breaks even in value at this point.
His concussion history would scare the fuck out of me.
70% completions, 4600 yards and 29 td's says take a chance. That has been a prolific passing offense. Dolphins are 32-19 in games he has started in his career. They aren't going to complain.
whats crazy is rodgers and russ should also be on this list
but their teams moved on from them less than 2 years after signing their deals so those costs have been sort of split up/revised. jordan love about to get in here too. so there were almost 10x 50m QBs signed in a 2 year period.
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I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
It wasn't just the salary cap, Simms also had an injury and they wanted to see what they had in Dave Brown who they spent the equivalent of a 1st round pick on a couple years prior. They knew they were in rebuild mode
I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
It wasn't just the salary cap, Simms also had an injury and they wanted to see what they had in Dave Brown who they spent the equivalent of a 1st round pick on a couple years prior. They knew they were in rebuild mode
They knew they were in rebuild mode despite having just beaten Minnesota in a playoff game. Times have changed!
starting qbs get to UFA. weird nfl teams are so unanimous in that even as costs have continued to explode forward.
Barnwell had a really good article on Purdy this week if you didn't see it.
just read it, i think his projection is high and he will extend lower than that assuming a comparable season without much deviation from what he's shown already.
obviously a lot of variability though because if he improves and they win a SB, he will reset the position. I still dont think it would be a big reset though, i think it would be more like matching burrow/herbert. remember he hasnt gotten paid at all yet, so it is going to be tough for him to turn down any deal that guarantees him 150m+ before taking another snap. similarly if he has a slightly disappointing year, i think he's going to be pretty hedged into the 50m range by the love/tua deals.
Have to see the guarantees and how it's structured but he's not a QB I would have wanted my team to pay. His stats were pure scheme. He still has a lot to prove, like winning away from Miami, for starters.
I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
It wasn't just the salary cap, Simms also had an injury and they wanted to see what they had in Dave Brown who they spent the equivalent of a 1st round pick on a couple years prior. They knew they were in rebuild mode
They knew they were in rebuild mode despite having just beaten Minnesota in a playoff game. Times have changed!
They were worried about Simms shoulder, Taylors decline, it isn't at all the same.
All Jones has to do is play at his 2022 level in terms of efficiency - however he gets there - and he's back in 2025. Maybe they draft a Cam Ward type in the 2nd or 3rd, but Jones playing like 12-15th best QB in 2024 almost breaks even in value at this point.
It's going to be so fascinating to see how it plays out. On one hand I can see a short hook with a frustrated Daboll. On the other I see a repeat of 2022 with Nabers highlighting the offense and he's back in 2025.
The contract has quickly become mid tier though in terms of AAV and guarantees. You can see why Team Jones wanted $40M, he knew what was coming.
but their teams moved on from them less than 2 years after signing their deals so those costs have been sort of split up/revised. jordan love about to get in here too. so there were almost 10x 50m QBs signed in a 2 year period.
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Surprised Schefter didn't mention Dak is about to join those ranks. Rapoport would have. His wife went to Miss. State so he drinks Dak's dirty bathwater.
They know that Tua is going to struggle in bad weather, they just have to hope they can build a team good enough to get home field. Will that be enough? I have my doubts, but it was wildly unlikely that they would let him walk and start from scratch.
We should be leaving within two years, so good luck carrying the torch on our behalf in 2026!
Every time a team pays a non legendary QB this shit gets thrown around. People need to get used to how much QBs are getting paid. QB hell my ass. They have a good offense with Tua leading the way.
You either pay the QB or you don't pay the QB. Good luck building and sustaining a contender without paying the good and even somewhat imperfect VET QB. Go with the kid over and over again and see how far that takes you.
In the modern cap era. Each new deal within a tier sets the floor for the next contract. Every couple years the ceiling of the mid-tier hits against the floor of the top tier; then the top ratchets up.
We should be leaving within two years, so good luck carrying the torch on our behalf in 2026!
Every time a team pays a non legendary QB this shit gets thrown around. People need to get used to how much QBs are getting paid. QB hell my ass. They have a good offense with Tua leading the way.
You either pay the QB or you don't pay the QB. Good luck building and sustaining a contender without paying the good and even somewhat imperfect VET QB. Go with the kid over and over again and see how far that takes you.
You either have an elite quarterback or you don't. If you do, you pay him top of market. If you don't you quickly pivot and move on. The Tua's, Prescotts, etc are being paid like they are elite and they aren't. They will never win a championship and will just create locker room resentment and force a brutally unbalanced cap situation. The idea that the Cowboys are hemming and hawing on Parsons and Lamb to appease Dak could not be more off base in the salary cap era.
but he simply works for them. Whether it’s processing speed, accuracy, leadership, running, etc. he works for Miami. Trying to “upgrade” from what he does for them is a wild proposition.
His concussion history would scare the fuck out of me.
70% completions, 4600 yards and 29 td's says take a chance. That has been a prolific passing offense. Dolphins are 32-19 in games he has started in his career. They aren't going to complain.
This isn’t a “take a chance” contract. This is top dollar to a deeply flawed QB with an injury history in a very QB friendly offense.
Tua has led one of the NFL's most prolific offenses the last two seasons, put up great numbers and is on the winning side in near 2/3'rd of the games he's started. He's all of 26 years old. According to BBI, he sucks and shouldn't have been re-signed.
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
This has the makings to be as bad as the Jones contract
Tua is one concussion away from retirement. Also last season was the first time that he's played a full season. Another concern is that Tua looks very average when he doesn't have Tyreek Hill taking his short 8 yard passes and turning them into a 60 yard gain.
Tua has led one of the NFL's most prolific offenses the last two seasons, put up great numbers and is on the winning side in near 2/3'rd of the games he's started. He's all of 26 years old. According to BBI, he sucks and shouldn't have been re-signed.
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
someone cheaper and shittier, but there will be less embittered jealousy since it wont be an "overpay".
Tua has led one of the NFL's most prolific offenses the last two seasons, put up great numbers and is on the winning side in near 2/3'rd of the games he's started. He's all of 26 years old. According to BBI, he sucks and shouldn't have been re-signed.
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
You don’t make a noodle arm, one concussion away from retirement QB the third highest paid guy when someone like Skylar Thompson can come in and give you most of what Tua does for a lot less. That offense is very QB friendly. Miami will regret this like the Giants regret paying Jones over a single playoff appearance.
predicting skylar thompson to be anything close to tua is delusional
he was a 7th round pick who in his only limited action, while in the same mcdaniels offense, has thrown more than twice as many picks as TDs and completed only about 50% of his 150 passes.
to expect that there are more than a handful of backup QBs in the NFL who could go into any situation and play as well as any starter, let alone a top 1/3 starter, is just insane.
That is bold move for an oft injured, noodle arm QB.
First, Miami misses on Herbert and now they compound that problem by this massive overpay.
Injury concern is legit, but hell no one bats an eye at Burrow's injury history nor Rodgers. But 4600+ yds, nearly 30 TDs and nearly 70% completion percentage is great production. Even with a noodle arm lol. Montana also had a not so strong arm and produced big time.
I rarely bemoan these guys getting paid. Especially QBs as it is a given that if they can walk and chew gum at the same time, then they are getting paid and will have endless opps to make money. That's what the league has become.
Tua has led one of the NFL's most prolific offenses the last two seasons, put up great numbers and is on the winning side in near 2/3'rd of the games he's started. He's all of 26 years old. According to BBI, he sucks and shouldn't have been re-signed.
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
You don’t make a noodle arm, one concussion away from retirement QB the third highest paid guy when someone like Skylar Thompson can come in and give you most of what Tua does for a lot less. That offense is very QB friendly. Miami will regret this like the Giants regret paying Jones over a single playoff appearance.
What about his 100 pass attempts has locked you into him giving the Dolphins
“most of what Tua does”?
Only on this board can any old player wake up and throw for 5000 yards and 30 TDs.
We should be leaving within two years, so good luck carrying the torch on our behalf in 2026!
Every time a team pays a non legendary QB this shit gets thrown around. People need to get used to how much QBs are getting paid. QB hell my ass. They have a good offense with Tua leading the way.
You either pay the QB or you don't pay the QB. Good luck building and sustaining a contender without paying the good and even somewhat imperfect VET QB. Go with the kid over and over again and see how far that takes you.
You either have an elite quarterback or you don't. If you do, you pay him top of market. If you don't you quickly pivot and move on. The Tua's, Prescotts, etc are being paid like they are elite and they aren't. They will never win a championship and will just create locker room resentment and force a brutally unbalanced cap situation. The idea that the Cowboys are hemming and hawing on Parsons and Lamb to appease Dak could not be more off base in the salary cap era.
“They will never win a championship” is a prediction not at all a fact. Save it. Guys like Kerry Collins got to a Super Bowl and got two 2 conference title games. Guys like Trent dilfer won a Super Bowl. Doug Williams did too. Rypien. Simms. Shit even Kurt Warner counts as he was a nobody until he wasn’t.
Don’t tell me guys who play well in the regular season can’t win a title when history is littered with evidence that they can and do quite often.
Eli manning was a slob until be wasn’t. Millions of people ended up looking like fools when all is said n done. Good players peak and valley all the time. Some peak at the right time. Some don’t.
Is better phrased as you bite a bullet that likely kills the front office if you don’t hit a double or triple in the looming draft and god help you if the qb target isn’t available. Pivot and move on sounds so simple yet no one does it.
Can anyone give an example of pivoting and moving on
with a good QB in their prime? Maybe Skins Cousins but at that point he never beat a team above .500 so that doesn’t count. Who else?
And the skins regret that decision or at least they should. They’d have more division titles and or playoff appearances these last 5 or so seasons if they kept cousins. They draft the guy then FT him like idiots. Twice I believe? Then he walks…
Playoff appearances matter. It’s the only way to step in shit and wind up alive in February. I can’t take these fans that say it’s NFL title or bust. It’s not. It’s playoffs or bust.
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Tua Tagovailoa is now the 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL per year:
1) Joe Burrow: $55M
2) Trevor Lawrence: $55M
3) Tua Tagovailoa: $53.1M
4) Jared Goff: $53M
5) Justin Herbert: $52.5M
6) Lamar Jackson: $52M
7) Jalen Hurts: $51M
I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
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Highest paid QBs in the NFL on a per-year basis:
🏈Joe Burrow: $55M
🏈Trevor Lawrence: $55M
🏈Tua Tagovailoa: $53.1M
🏈Jared Goff: $53M
🏈Justin Herbert: $52.5M
🏈Lamar Jackson: $52M
🏈Jalen Hurts: $51M
Barnwell had a really good article on Purdy this week if you didn't see it.
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they didn't want to pay him $1 million.
I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
It wasn't just the salary cap, Simms also had an injury and they wanted to see what they had in Dave Brown who they spent the equivalent of a 1st round pick on a couple years prior. They knew they were in rebuild mode
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they didn't want to pay him $1 million.
I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
It wasn't just the salary cap, Simms also had an injury and they wanted to see what they had in Dave Brown who they spent the equivalent of a 1st round pick on a couple years prior. They knew they were in rebuild mode
They knew they were in rebuild mode despite having just beaten Minnesota in a playoff game. Times have changed!
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starting qbs get to UFA. weird nfl teams are so unanimous in that even as costs have continued to explode forward.
Barnwell had a really good article on Purdy this week if you didn't see it.
just read it, i think his projection is high and he will extend lower than that assuming a comparable season without much deviation from what he's shown already.
obviously a lot of variability though because if he improves and they win a SB, he will reset the position. I still dont think it would be a big reset though, i think it would be more like matching burrow/herbert. remember he hasnt gotten paid at all yet, so it is going to be tough for him to turn down any deal that guarantees him 150m+ before taking another snap. similarly if he has a slightly disappointing year, i think he's going to be pretty hedged into the 50m range by the love/tua deals.
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they didn't want to pay him $1 million.
I stumbled across the original article about his release from 1994 and my jaw dropped at a line that went something like "the Giants are doing everything they can to get under the $38 million salary cap"
It wasn't just the salary cap, Simms also had an injury and they wanted to see what they had in Dave Brown who they spent the equivalent of a 1st round pick on a couple years prior. They knew they were in rebuild mode
They knew they were in rebuild mode despite having just beaten Minnesota in a playoff game. Times have changed!
They were worried about Simms shoulder, Taylors decline, it isn't at all the same.
It's going to be so fascinating to see how it plays out. On one hand I can see a short hook with a frustrated Daboll. On the other I see a repeat of 2022 with Nabers highlighting the offense and he's back in 2025.
The contract has quickly become mid tier though in terms of AAV and guarantees. You can see why Team Jones wanted $40M, he knew what was coming.
Widely predicted. Just a matter of coming to agreement on the guarantee.
As for that name you brought up, he missed in claiming the Giants and Pats had a deal in place for the #3 pick.
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Highest paid QBs in the NFL on a per-year basis:
🏈Joe Burrow: $55M
🏈Trevor Lawrence: $55M
🏈Tua Tagovailoa: $53.1M
🏈Jared Goff: $53M
🏈Justin Herbert: $52.5M
🏈Lamar Jackson: $52M
🏈Jalen Hurts: $51M
Surprised Schefter didn't mention Dak is about to join those ranks. Rapoport would have. His wife went to Miss. State so he drinks Dak's dirty bathwater.
Every time a team pays a non legendary QB this shit gets thrown around. People need to get used to how much QBs are getting paid. QB hell my ass. They have a good offense with Tua leading the way.
You either pay the QB or you don't pay the QB. Good luck building and sustaining a contender without paying the good and even somewhat imperfect VET QB. Go with the kid over and over again and see how far that takes you.
It's good to be an NFL QB.
First, Miami misses on Herbert and now they compound that problem by this massive overpay.
He went on to do great things elsewhere proving George Young wrong.
First, Miami misses on Herbert and now they compound that problem by this massive overpay.
He makes every throw and leads one of the more explosive and consistent offenses in the league.
496 pts scored last season. That is excellent. Tua is a legit QB. One of the brightest offensive coaches in the league loves him. Why.
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We should be leaving within two years, so good luck carrying the torch on our behalf in 2026!
Every time a team pays a non legendary QB this shit gets thrown around. People need to get used to how much QBs are getting paid. QB hell my ass. They have a good offense with Tua leading the way.
You either pay the QB or you don't pay the QB. Good luck building and sustaining a contender without paying the good and even somewhat imperfect VET QB. Go with the kid over and over again and see how far that takes you.
You either have an elite quarterback or you don't. If you do, you pay him top of market. If you don't you quickly pivot and move on. The Tua's, Prescotts, etc are being paid like they are elite and they aren't. They will never win a championship and will just create locker room resentment and force a brutally unbalanced cap situation. The idea that the Cowboys are hemming and hawing on Parsons and Lamb to appease Dak could not be more off base in the salary cap era.
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That is bold move for an oft injured, noodle arm QB.
First, Miami misses on Herbert and now they compound that problem by this massive overpay.
He makes every throw and leads one of the more explosive and consistent offenses in the league.
496 pts scored last season. That is excellent. Tua is a legit QB. One of the brightest offensive coaches in the league loves him. Why.
He had a very good year - true. Miami has a lot of parts that McDaniel has masterfully stitched together.
But Tua doesn't make every throw, he's small, can't move well, and his injury risk is very high.
So, I wouldn't have rewarded him with this comp and waited to revisit the situation when Tua becomes an URFA in 2025.
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His concussion history would scare the fuck out of me.
70% completions, 4600 yards and 29 td's says take a chance. That has been a prolific passing offense. Dolphins are 32-19 in games he has started in his career. They aren't going to complain.
This isn’t a “take a chance” contract. This is top dollar to a deeply flawed QB with an injury history in a very QB friendly offense.
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
someone cheaper and shittier, but there will be less embittered jealousy since it wont be an "overpay".
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
You don’t make a noodle arm, one concussion away from retirement QB the third highest paid guy when someone like Skylar Thompson can come in and give you most of what Tua does for a lot less. That offense is very QB friendly. Miami will regret this like the Giants regret paying Jones over a single playoff appearance.
to expect that there are more than a handful of backup QBs in the NFL who could go into any situation and play as well as any starter, let alone a top 1/3 starter, is just insane.
he actually played pretty well his 2nd year w/ flores. that was pre-hill and waddle as rookie so it wasnt explosive but he was pretty efficient.
First, Miami misses on Herbert and now they compound that problem by this massive overpay.
Injury concern is legit, but hell no one bats an eye at Burrow's injury history nor Rodgers. But 4600+ yds, nearly 30 TDs and nearly 70% completion percentage is great production. Even with a noodle arm lol. Montana also had a not so strong arm and produced big time.
I rarely bemoan these guys getting paid. Especially QBs as it is a given that if they can walk and chew gum at the same time, then they are getting paid and will have endless opps to make money. That's what the league has become.
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Tua has led one of the NFL's most prolific offenses the last two seasons, put up great numbers and is on the winning side in near 2/3'rd of the games he's started. He's all of 26 years old. According to BBI, he sucks and shouldn't have been re-signed.
If they did no planning at all, Tua's cap hit this season is $53 million. Not to pile on the guy, but Jones' cap hit this season is $47 million. Who would you rather have?
If you aren't going to pay Tua and Mahomes and Allen aren't available, who the hell are you going to get that is an improvement?
You don’t make a noodle arm, one concussion away from retirement QB the third highest paid guy when someone like Skylar Thompson can come in and give you most of what Tua does for a lot less. That offense is very QB friendly. Miami will regret this like the Giants regret paying Jones over a single playoff appearance.
What about his 100 pass attempts has locked you into him giving the Dolphins
“most of what Tua does”?
Only on this board can any old player wake up and throw for 5000 yards and 30 TDs.
That is one of the elite offenses in the NFL with a mad scientist pulling the strings under the headset.
Crazy…
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We should be leaving within two years, so good luck carrying the torch on our behalf in 2026!
Every time a team pays a non legendary QB this shit gets thrown around. People need to get used to how much QBs are getting paid. QB hell my ass. They have a good offense with Tua leading the way.
You either pay the QB or you don't pay the QB. Good luck building and sustaining a contender without paying the good and even somewhat imperfect VET QB. Go with the kid over and over again and see how far that takes you.
You either have an elite quarterback or you don't. If you do, you pay him top of market. If you don't you quickly pivot and move on. The Tua's, Prescotts, etc are being paid like they are elite and they aren't. They will never win a championship and will just create locker room resentment and force a brutally unbalanced cap situation. The idea that the Cowboys are hemming and hawing on Parsons and Lamb to appease Dak could not be more off base in the salary cap era.
“They will never win a championship” is a prediction not at all a fact. Save it. Guys like Kerry Collins got to a Super Bowl and got two 2 conference title games. Guys like Trent dilfer won a Super Bowl. Doug Williams did too. Rypien. Simms. Shit even Kurt Warner counts as he was a nobody until he wasn’t.
Don’t tell me guys who play well in the regular season can’t win a title when history is littered with evidence that they can and do quite often.
Eli manning was a slob until be wasn’t. Millions of people ended up looking like fools when all is said n done. Good players peak and valley all the time. Some peak at the right time. Some don’t.
Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes might be the best example but I don’t think Smith is as good as Tua.
And the skins regret that decision or at least they should. They’d have more division titles and or playoff appearances these last 5 or so seasons if they kept cousins. They draft the guy then FT him like idiots. Twice I believe? Then he walks…
Playoff appearances matter. It’s the only way to step in shit and wind up alive in February. I can’t take these fans that say it’s NFL title or bust. It’s not. It’s playoffs or bust.