First, I am going to take you back to the benching of Eli for Geno.
If you recall, the fans lost their minds over this. Especially those who were more concerned about a streak for Eli than the future of the team. This is not to say that Geno was the future. However, it was the first step in moving on from a great Giant QB who was not getting it done anymore.
Then, John Mara said and I quote "I did not expect the fans to get so emotional" over the decision. In my opinion, this is why they did not immediately draft his replacement and maybe why the Giants were not willing to draft Mahommes (or any other QB prospect) when available in and around that time.
You see, John wants the team to win but he is also marketing the team. Sometimes he is placing more weight on marketing.
Now, fast forward to the hard knocks clip where John is talking to Joe about Barkley. I am linking to it below. John Mara's concern is that Barkley is "popular".
This is how teams turn into cellar dwellers. Making decisions for the wrong reasons. Thank God Joe is only listening to him now and hopefully will never allow John to influence player personnel decisions.
Am I making too much of this? Maybe.. but we have no idea how much of this has happened behind closed doors.
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see, it’s because you chose not too. However, praising a guy like McAdoo for getting a few things right when his overall body of work sucked is odd.
I think the point is Manning was in decline, and even someone as under-qualified as McAdoo could see it.
I imagine others in the organization could see it, but the at the highest levels the team had been operating through a combination of nostalgia and ignorance.
Yes that’s what I said.
A lot of odd posts in this thread though as I said above too.
Faces come out in the rain.
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People are certainly strange.
Faces come out in the rain.
Love ‘The Doors’ reference.
My comment was intended to let you know how I see it when you consistently bring up Manning being a phony.
I don’t see my view being any more ‘strange’ than yours if indeed you were including me in your ‘strange’ comment. I won’t deny being strange to others.
I’m a big Manning fan, I also can acknowledge that merchandising scheme was pretty lame.
Some people seem to confuse being a fan and a cheerleader. They aren’t the same thing.
And hey if you want to wave your Pom Pom’s around go ahead. Just don’t act like people they don’t share your opinions are bad people. That is even more lame
My comment was intended to let you know how I see it when you consistently bring up Manning being a phony.
I don’t see my view being any more ‘strange’ than yours if indeed you were including me in your ‘strange’ comment. I won’t deny being strange to others.
I think your are seeing ghosts.
I’m a big Manning fan, I also can acknowledge that merchandising scheme was pretty lame.
Some people seem to confuse being a fan and a cheerleader. They aren’t the same thing.
And hey if you want to wave your Pom Pom’s around go ahead. Just don’t act like people they don’t share your opinions are bad people. That is even more lame
I am big fan of Manning the football player. And less of a fan of Manning Inc. the public figure.
The dude literally instructed the team to issue a public statement regarding his choice to not play.
Manning Inc. are experts at using the press and public sentiment to further their business.
Are you ignoring my question to you in regards of voluntarily coming out of a game as an athlete?
Since I’ll be the adult - Mara, Reese, and McAdoo all handled it about as poorly as possible.
You have said you were a division 1 athlete. As was I. If I was told that no matter how I played - I was automatically coming out would something that would not set well with me. So as much as certain posters who forever have shitted on Eli and went as far saying he wasn’t that good - Eli did the right thing by saying - I’m not good enough to finish - then I should t start. He didn’t let the streak affect his mindset.
Him letting Geno start and finish the game was the right way - and in reality it was.
I haven't discussed Eli's actions for that situation. That criticism is coming from the keyboard of others.
And let me say this for clarity. The 2017 season was a total organizational failure. No one is immune from criticism. From the opening kickoff of the season, the season completely spiraled out of control. Injuries, player revolts, lack of professionalism, lack of leadership, etc. You name it.
But my focus has been on Mara's actions and how he fired his GM and HC for doing what they were told to do. I find that appalling. He couldn't handle the media and fan blowback, panicked, and hung his GM and HC out to dry.
I don't why this is in dispute.
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see, it’s because you chose not too. However, praising a guy like McAdoo for getting a few things right when his overall body of work sucked is odd.
I think the point is Manning was in decline, and even someone as under-qualified as McAdoo could see it.
I imagine others in the organization could see it, but the at the highest levels the team had been operating through a combination of nostalgia and ignorance.
And yrt at the end, McAdoo couldn't tell that the team was in decline with his moronic comment that "Geno gives us the bext chance to win. . . " To win what?
Why would he say it, if he didnn't mean it?
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I believe your comment was intended to be insulting. My comments on Manning are how I feel, and in the context of the debate.
My comment was intended to let you know how I see it when you consistently bring up Manning being a phony.
I don’t see my view being any more ‘strange’ than yours if indeed you were including me in your ‘strange’ comment. I won’t deny being strange to others.
I think your are seeing ghosts.
Probably. I am a bit insecure.
This was the whole point of the thread. Thankfully Hard Knocks has reinforced what I always suspected.
Mike "how can you do this to the loyal fans who supported this team for decades?" Mara "If the fans knew the costs we have incurred with the new stadium they would understand".
WTF who told you to build this dump in the first place.
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The very washed version of Manning definitely compares favorably to anything that's followed. That's what the bottom of the barrel looks like.
I think you said it. 2018 Eli > 2022 Jones
With all do respect to both of you as posters, no way. A lot what made Eli's 2018 stats respectable on the surface (YPA, yards) were ran up in garbage time defeats or against weak opponents once the season was basically over, his advanced stats reflect this.
I'm no Jones enthusiast but he was a plus player in 2022.