This is a brief follow up on the previous discussion we had discussing whether TD can beat out DJ. Some here, like myself think he could if it were a fair competition….most thought he can’t because Jones makes 40 million and TD makes about 1 million, and to start Cutlets would make Schoen look bad for resigning Jones for all that money.
Here is my update:
I’ve noticed Jones has been up and down in these 3 days of practice. Of course, we have to cut him some slack seeing that he is about 9 months removed from a serious knee Injury….but his inaccuracy today, throwing longer than a short pass or dump off seems to have many up in arms and you really can’t blame his injury for these errant throws. Not all his throws are errant, so he can and has thrown some very accurate passes……just not as much as we would like. Today he was 1 for 6 in balls over 20 yards.
Unfortunately, I’ve not read much on TD’s three days. The only thing I have read is when he throws a TD pass, like today he threw one to Turbo, and I believe yesterday, he through one to I believe the new kid, Dennis Houston. But I have not found any final numbers for TD like we are hearing for DJ and no one is drawing any conclusions on how TD is looking. I know TD is probably playing with the 3rd team, so it’s not easy making judgments here, but is there anyone here who can give testimony as to how Cutlets is doing so far in these first three days? Again I will say this- I DON’T BELIEVE HIS ACCURACY WITH PASSES OVER 20 YARDS- would be an issue with him, like it is and probably will continue to be with Jones. I would absolutely love to see Cutlets playing with the #1s so that we can juxtapose the numbers of the two QBs on an equal footing.
Any thoughts you would like to tack on?
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In comment 16561092 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16560549 djm said:
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that it's not a fair competition.
Well then let’s make sure we give DeVito 5 more years like his counterpart gets. I like Tommy’s chances to be at or above Jones in half that time.
Exactly TG, it’s one thing to find fault with TD because he went undrafted but it’s another to say a guy who has been poor to mediocre for 5 years has to be better than him because at least he was drafted is another matter.
Give me proof to support why the poor to mediocre guy is better? Why?
I cannot. I saw DeVito have some games last year as a rookie where he made some plays and won a few games, and some games where he was simply outmatched.
I basically saw the same with Jones except it is still happening to him in year 5.
I apologize if you thought I was asking you to give me proof why Jones is better…I knew where you stand on this.
I’m hoping just one guy out there who wants to find fault with Cutlets can support why they believe Jones is better. It’s been 4 hours since I threw that carrot out there and no one has taken the bait.
think even the most ardent Jones supporters don’t want to get involved trying to prove how good Jones is….much easier to trash Cutlets instead.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
DeVito has 6 NFL Starts. Jones has 59.
But what are numbers, really?
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In comment 16561503 Mike from Ohio said:
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
DeVito has 6 NFL Starts. Jones has 59.
But what are numbers, really?
I agree with Mike's premise that neither is that good, though Thomas G has a good point in terms of DJ starts vs. DeVito starts. Truth be told, I'd rather DeVito start, but that isn't happening. DeVito at least is willing to spin the rock downfield. Jones doesn't even do that.
Playing Jones is a waste of time because his body of work clearly indicates he isn’t going to ever QB the team to a championship so we are wasting those starts. Further, there is actually a disincentive since he actually has enough experience, running ability and conservative play that he will beat a few fairly weak teams each year, only killing our chances to get the top 1-2 QB prospects in the next draft.
We are going nowhere on this path, and worse, we are doing it slowly. At least do it quickly so everybody can conclude we are lost and be able to turnaround and get back to drafting QBs.
Would not say they at all. He’s not an NFL starting QB. But he has a spot in the league as a backup. He was a rookie last year and was thrown into the fire. He put up decent numbers and won 3 games - 2 of those games
he played well and made big time throws while also extending drives with his legs. No reason he can’t continue to develop into a very good backup.
Yes, they do have 2022 when the Gmen made the playoffs and Jones did have some great moments, like the two Minny games…..but then he had games like the two Eagles games….so, they kind of balance each other off. And of course, what is fresh in our minds is last year. I know…losing AThomas was huge…I concede that, but do you think you can put all the blame on his performance because we lost that one man? I know there were other injuries but both Taylor and Cutlets had that to deal with as well, and the latter two guy fared much better dealing with that.
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
More than that, I can't say. I think there is a lot of development needed if he has aspirations of being anything more than a backup, but the potential is there.
Anyone who thinks he should start based on those games is not being fair to him or Jones, in my opinion. You can't criticize Jones for a number of warts and ignore the deficiencies in DeVito's game right now. I have been uber-critical of Jones for a few years now. But, I am not prepared to say he should sit in favor of DeVito to start this season. That, to me, is insane.
That said, with a supposed improved OL, a #WR and good WRs behind Nabers, a decent RB, and an intriguing rookie athlete in the mix at TE I think it is time to stop with excuses and start with production.
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
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are there Jones defenders on here?
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
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are there Jones defenders on here?
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
I can agree on Neal, at the moment. Start Jermaine and let Neal work himself into the picture.
IMHO, and as I previously stated, you do not want a dialogue. You have your mind made up and you are dictating the procedure.
Actually it was a good point by pj - are there Jones followers? There really aren't but a handful. Probably 95% want him gone, including me.
So perhaps you are simply preaching to the choir? I suppose the $40 mill contract is the reason Jones is still here and the reason he is starting.
As to the premise of the thread - DeVito as starter. Let me know when he beats Drew Lock out as the #2 - that is my answer and has been my answer. If he cannot pass Lock as the #2 then he cannot be the starter. There isn't a #1 pick and salary issue with Lock that DeVito needs to overcome.
DeVito does remind me of a poor man's Baker Mayfield.
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In comment 16561781 pjcas18 said:
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are there Jones defenders on here?
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
I can agree on Neal, at the moment. Start Jermaine and let Neal work himself into the picture.
IMHO, and as I previously stated, you do not want a dialogue. You have your mind made up and you are dictating the procedure.
Actually it was a good point by pj - are there Jones followers? There really aren't but a handful. Probably 95% want him gone, including me.
So perhaps you are simply preaching to the choir? I suppose the $40 mill contract is the reason Jones is still here and the reason he is starting.
As to the premise of the thread - DeVito as starter. Let me know when he beats Drew Lock out as the #2 - that is my answer and has been my answer. If he cannot pass Lock as the #2 then he cannot be the starter. There isn't a #1 pick and salary issue with Lock that DeVito needs to overcome.
DeVito does remind me of a poor man's Baker Mayfield.
1) Well more than 5% of posters on BBI are Jones "followers" or however you want to label them.
2) I think where DeVito ends up on the depth chart may not be a big deal. They signed Locke and he is almost certain to start the year as the #2. That makes sense. He has actual starting experience and on game day is probably a better choice if Jones should go down. However, after that initial game, I think it is very possible for DeVito, when now given the reps in practice, could start the next game if needed. I think DeVito as the #3 (not PS) makes sense for this year. But, he would have to earn the #2 spot for next year to stick here.
3) As for the comment by 5Bowls before your post - I am optimistic about the OL and the new coach. He had a decent OL in Las Vegas with mostly unherladed and middling players. He does seem to know what he is doing. I am expecting Runyan and Eluemunor to have a big impact, taking this from a bottom 3 OL to middle of the pack, which is a significant 1 season jump and should be good enough to make this offense more than competent.
4) Back to DeVito - I don't know that he reminds me of anyone.
But by all means, let's compare a career loser like DJ to an all-time great like Eli.
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In comment 16560518 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
Jones went 1-3. He got knocked out of two of those losses dur to the crap O-line.
The ACL injury was non-contact.
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
Why are Giants fans allergic to spelling their own players' names? Is DeVito even a particularly difficult name?
DeVito had a better college career than Jones.
DeVito was better than Jones last year during his first season in the NFL.
Maybe DeVito is just better than Jones.
this. you are what your record says you are.
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In comment 16561781 pjcas18 said:
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I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
Eluemunor himself says he is best at OG
He said this? When did he say this? Do you have a link stating such? Not that I don’t believe you…..lol
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
Age doesn't matter as much as football snaps/hits. Jones has a lot more so he's closer to being a finished product.