Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
He has to EARN every snap now. He will play this year at some point when he’s healthy. This is the right move. Now just make Ezedu a guard and we have decent depth.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll wouldn’t rule out shifting Jon Runyan from RG to LG. Would make sense to reunite Eluemunor and Van Roten on the right side and put Runyan on his preferred side.
Not ideal to have so many moving pieces on the line, but at least it’s early.
He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
If the most Neal is doing is jogging lightly on the side, he’s not that close to coming back anyway. And when he does, he has to get used to a new OL coach and get in game shape.
He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
I think it harsh to label the Neal pick a mistake. (Very few teams would have passed on him.)
But clearly he has been a disappointment.
Let's see if SOME of his natural talent can be salvaged.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll wouldn’t rule out shifting Jon Runyan from RG to LG. Would make sense to reunite Eluemunor and Van Roten on the right side and put Runyan on his preferred side.
Not ideal to have so many moving pieces on the line, but at least it’s early.
Maybe those posters who say they don't understand about others thinking Runyan at LG will understand more now. 🤷🏽♂️
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
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I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
When Neal comes back it should be at swing tackle now, with an eye
to trying him at G next season. I would hope his days at RT are over. Our G's are improved but old, so if Neal could be good at G that would be a big help moving forward.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
The move isn't necessarily permanent. It's up to Neal.
It's uncharted territory for the Giants, but the NFL allows teams to have 7+ starter quality linemen.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll wouldn’t rule out shifting Jon Runyan from RG to LG. Would make sense to reunite Eluemunor and Van Roten on the right side and put Runyan on his preferred side.
Not ideal to have so many moving pieces on the line, but at least it’s early.
It's unbelievable. They just can't get off the merry-go-round.
to trying him at G next season. I would hope his days at RT are over. Our G's are improved but old, so if Neal could be good at G that would be a big help moving forward.
I hope his days at RT are soon to restart because he gets healthy and shows enough to make Eluemunor first off the bench.
The important thing is the team is no longer relying on that.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
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I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
The good news is our OL coach knows him intimately.
However, you are correct. He's 34 and has played for a ton of teams that have not wanted to retain him.
Are being proactive and not relying on the ‘22 draft class to be the near term solution. I hope Neal can ultimately be salvaged, but not going to count on it.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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Aaron Robinson released. Last practiced in Nov 2022 before a devastating knee injury. Another empty RD3 pick #Giants
We also traded a fifth to move up and take him. But the cost was actually worth it. He could play. He just couldn't stay healthy. Nobody could have predicted what happened to him. Best wishes Aaron.
As was said, at least they're making these changes at the end of July,
which should give the players involved a chance to get used to the system and to playing together. We're not going to have a top o-line, but perhaps an average one.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
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I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
The good news is our OL coach knows him intimately.
However, you are correct. He's 34 and has played for a ton of teams that have not wanted to retain him.
^This. The signing is fine, but I'm dubious that a 34 year old guard many teams didn't want to retain is a starting caliber player.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
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I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
Totally agree. No one beats the clock and at some point a player is going to see his skills decrease. Hopefully they can get a year out of him. What would be better is for Neal to fulfill his potential and get back on the field, pushing Van Roten into a veteran backup role.
So sad about Robinson. Unlike Neal he showed his potential and was denied the opportunity by what appears to have been a devastating knee injury.
Although I would caution that the Raiders run offense stats from last year were not good, lower than the Giants by a lot. Now maybe we got their only 2 good OL players, I hope so, but it does give me pause.
with this signing. I get it. What I will say is that having a vet who know the techinques and calls and knows how to play next to Eluemunor is something that shouldn't be overlooked. Don't look at this like 1 isolated player. Look at this like the glue that holds this unit together. What it does is give us options. Either he can play RG next to Eluemunor or Neal kicks ass and Eluemunor moves down to RG, assuming Runyan moves and stays at LG. It is the most logical move. Worst case is he provides solid depth on the interior. Best case is he starts and allows our OL to function. Just think back to all those years with the lack of communication and how we cannot pick up stunts. That should be a thing if the past with him if he's out there with Eluemunor.
that doesn't want to wish and hope that key starters will a) be healthy and b) play better than they ever have in their careers. Kudos to the folks who don't want to bet their jobs on a shambolic offensive line.
I wish we could draft offensive linemen better than we have in the last 15 years, but we gotta celebrate the small wins.
on one hand they whine about how we never have o-line depth. then they complain about a signing like this. its a low-cost guy who has been at least an adequate starter and is certainly a good depth piece. Its like people expect them to sign pro bowlers for depth.
The thing that kills me about Robinson...he's actually good. He just can't stay healthy. Frustrating AF.
Good one. As someone from Dutch ancestry, I believe "Van" means "from".
So, we can hope that the OL goes "from Roten" to ok or average? Haha. I think we'd all be happy with that!
Just give us AVERAGE!
Football can be mean to a person's body.
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The thing that kills me about Robinson...he's actually good. He just can't stay healthy. Frustrating AF.
He WAS good. He hasn't been good in a long time.
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
@rydunleavy
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Aaron Robinson released. Last practiced in Nov 2022 before a devastating knee injury. Another empty RD3 pick #Giants
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
Nope. The guy hasn’t played football in essentially 2 years. It was a long long shot that he would make the team.
Suddenly feel ALOT better about the depth (Stinnie, Neal, Ezeudu, Kubas, Schlottmann) as well.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
His last good year was 2020. That's an eternity ago. Whether it is injuries or anything else, he's done.
Oh, I am wrong. I thought this was Allen Robinson when people said A. Robinson. Lol
@DDuggan21
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Daboll wouldn’t rule out shifting Jon Runyan from RG to LG. Would make sense to reunite Eluemunor and Van Roten on the right side and put Runyan on his preferred side.
Not ideal to have so many moving pieces on the line, but at least it’s early.
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He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
If the most Neal is doing is jogging lightly on the side, he’s not that close to coming back anyway. And when he does, he has to get used to a new OL coach and get in game shape.
Sounds like they’re preparing accordingly
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He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
I think it harsh to label the Neal pick a mistake. (Very few teams would have passed on him.)
But clearly he has been a disappointment.
Let's see if SOME of his natural talent can be salvaged.
@DDuggan21
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Daboll wouldn’t rule out shifting Jon Runyan from RG to LG. Would make sense to reunite Eluemunor and Van Roten on the right side and put Runyan on his preferred side.
Not ideal to have so many moving pieces on the line, but at least it’s early.
Maybe those posters who say they don't understand about others thinking Runyan at LG will understand more now. 🤷🏽♂️
But, yes, get this shit settled.
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
The move isn't necessarily permanent. It's up to Neal.
It's uncharted territory for the Giants, but the NFL allows teams to have 7+ starter quality linemen.
@DDuggan21
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Daboll wouldn’t rule out shifting Jon Runyan from RG to LG. Would make sense to reunite Eluemunor and Van Roten on the right side and put Runyan on his preferred side.
Not ideal to have so many moving pieces on the line, but at least it’s early.
It's unbelievable. They just can't get off the merry-go-round.
I hope his days at RT are soon to restart because he gets healthy and shows enough to make Eluemunor first off the bench.
The important thing is the team is no longer relying on that.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
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I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
The good news is our OL coach knows him intimately.
However, you are correct. He's 34 and has played for a ton of teams that have not wanted to retain him.
Yup. And we could have drafted Garrett Wilson instead.
Either Neal starts at RT and Eluemunor goes back to LG, or he stays at RT.
Did you hear how much they loved him on HK? He was their #1 rated OL.
He's arguably the 2nd best OL on the team behind Andrew Thomas.
@rydunleavy
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Aaron Robinson released. Last practiced in Nov 2022 before a devastating knee injury. Another empty RD3 pick #Giants
We also traded a fifth to move up and take him. But the cost was actually worth it. He could play. He just couldn't stay healthy. Nobody could have predicted what happened to him. Best wishes Aaron.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
_______________
I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
The good news is our OL coach knows him intimately.
However, you are correct. He's 34 and has played for a ton of teams that have not wanted to retain him.
^This. The signing is fine, but I'm dubious that a 34 year old guard many teams didn't want to retain is a starting caliber player.
3rd round pick, and 2+ years in, apparently unplayable even as a backup G. I'm surprised given what we heard about him when drafted.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants signed veteran guard Greg Van Roten. An obvious fit for both sides: Van Roten should step in as a starting guard, which has been the biggest question mark on the line.
The 34-year-old Van Roten has made 71 career starts, including all 17 games at right guard last season with the Raiders for Giants’ O-line coach Carmen Bricillo. Van Roten has played both guard spots throughout his winding career that began in 2012.
This signing is further evidence that Jermaine Eluemunor’s shift to right tackle is permanent.
_______________
I am very uncomfortable with signing 30+ year old offensive linemen, especially as starters. At some point, everyone reaches the edge of the cliff. If only for one year, I guess it’s a wait and see approach.
Totally agree. No one beats the clock and at some point a player is going to see his skills decrease. Hopefully they can get a year out of him. What would be better is for Neal to fulfill his potential and get back on the field, pushing Van Roten into a veteran backup role.
So sad about Robinson. Unlike Neal he showed his potential and was denied the opportunity by what appears to have been a devastating knee injury.
Although I would caution that the Raiders run offense stats from last year were not good, lower than the Giants by a lot. Now maybe we got their only 2 good OL players, I hope so, but it does give me pause.
The epitome of atrocious play on the right side of the line last year was the play where Jones got hurt.
Bredeson gets rag dolled while Neal just kind of slaps at Crosby, and presumably they both blew their assignment on the stunt.
Anything north of that would be excellent news.
Yikes - ( New Window )
The epitome of atrocious play on the right side of the line last year was the play where Jones got hurt.
Bredeson gets rag dolled while Neal just kind of slaps at Crosby, and presumably they both blew their assignment on the stunt.
Anything north of that would be excellent news. Yikes - ( New Window )
Great follow up after my post about communication.
I wish we could draft offensive linemen better than we have in the last 15 years, but we gotta celebrate the small wins.
Until otherwise proven, Neal simply can't operate in tandem with the right guard.
This is triage time for them.