to LG where he's most comfortable. Van Roten played all year next to Elumanor. It's a net gain across the entire line with one signing. Dicking around outside of that is going to put this team in the same spot it's been in, with moving guys around too much and not gaining cohesion.
But Runyon told Schmeelk he’s “a lot more comfortable” at right guard. At 8:30 of the linked podcast. Link - ( New Window )
and about 15 seconds before that Schmelk says 'I interviewed you before and you said you felt more comfortable on the left side and that has caused a lot of controversy since you've been on the right side..."
Not sure what the truth is but let's just hope they get it right
of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
A most ridiculous statement. Neal was the #1 OT on the Cowboys board - their #2 player behind Thibodeaux.
Did Schoen draft him? Yes. He was a solid choice at #7. That he hasn't panned out is part of the draft. He may still overcome his faults. It just shows what a crap shoot the draft is.
You make it sound like Schoen was stupid or ignorant for that pick. I guarantee you that if the Cowboys had him rated that high, so did most teams. The Cowboys rarely miss on oline.
He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
Well not "you guys," only the folks who believe in the infallibility of the coaches and the common man's inability to question or understand anything they do.
Now that it has happened it will have been the obvious right move, because the coaches did it.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Some thoughts on Greg Van Roten signing with #Giants while walking out to camp practice https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1818292496222331016 - ( New Window )
Van Roten is probably better than all the current OL backups, and any current "starting" OG other than Runyon. AND he knows Bricillo.
Even with the prior starer additions (Runyan, Eluminor), the OL is still thin on talent and depth. Before this signing, they were an injury or two away from Ezudu at OT again 🤦🏻 (not everyone turns in to David Diehl), McKethan, and all the guys who've already proven they can't get it done. And FFS, maybe at least TRY Ezudu at OG at some point -- you know, the position he played well enough at in college that you spent a 3rd pick on him.
When there's a guy who upgrades your position who's available and affordable, you do it. I'm surprised it took so long after Van Roten visited.
In comment 16563400 fish3321 said:
Quote: He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH. /////////
Well not "you guys," only the folks who believe in the infallibility of the coaches and the common man's inability to question or understand anything they do.
Now that it has happened it will have been the obvious right move, because the coaches did it.
Not for nothing as it turns out, and I believe it was Runyon yesterday in his presser who said that the challenges of switching sides R to L or L to R are very much under appreciated and gave some granularity as to why. And we're here because of the unavailability of some of the pieces expected to be available. Hopefully, this all works out for the best, folks now here stay healthy and just sit Neal for the better part of the season.
of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
And right on cue, not one but two posters jump in to pin a player's failure on one man.
of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
In fairness, since then we've heard that multiple teams had him scouted that high. We saw with our own eyes that Dallas had him as the #1 OL on their board. So it's not like Schoen and Co. made some outlier mis-assessment of the guy's potential.
I don't have an agenda @ all against Joe. I'm just not as taken with him as some others are here. A lot of people think we found our GM for the next decade. I just don't see it.
of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
And right on cue, not one but two posters jump in to pin a player's failure on one man.
You need to get your 5 out there together so they can gel. At a certain point you can’t keep shuffling things around because you have a premium pick invested in another player. Historically speaking the odds were always stacked against Neal heading into this year given how bad he has been. That said, this doesn’t mean he won’t get another crack. More likely than not, there will be an injury or multiple injuries on the line, we are highly likely to see him in the starting lineup at some point. Assuming he actually gets out there again this summer, it will be interesting to see if they bother cross training him at guard or they just roll with him as the primary backup OT.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
A most ridiculous statement. Neal was the #1 OT on the Cowboys board - their #2 player behind Thibodeaux.
Did Schoen draft him? Yes. He was a solid choice at #7. That he hasn't panned out is part of the draft. He may still overcome his faults. It just shows what a crap shoot the draft is.
You make it sound like Schoen was stupid or ignorant for that pick. I guarantee you that if the Cowboys had him rated that high, so did most teams. The Cowboys rarely miss on oline.
Was Ryan Leaf a good pick? No, but lot's of teams had him higher than Manning. Results dictate if the pick was good.
View Neal as the same kind of bust as Flowers or Apple, for example. Those two in particular had no business being top ten picks. Neal was pegged as a top 5 guy routinely through the pre draft process.
And I'm glad about the signing, even if it looks like he'll be starting. The scariest part is how thin we are at Tackle. If Neal starts the season on PUP, that puts Ezuedo a heart-beat away from starting at tackle. That basically puts us right back where we were last year. If Ezuedo has to spend any real time at Tackle it's a potential season destroyer. I think signing an adequate swing tackle is just as important.
I'd advocate for a fan becoming the GM instead of a professional. Why the need to defend every pick to the hilt? It looks like a bad miss. Cross was also in the running at 7, and in spite of his own injury woes, has flashed much more than Neal as a starter.
Sy noted that Neal wound up on the ground at the end of plays way more than any of the other top tackle prospects in college. If he noticed, you know other scouts noticed too. Neal was not a "can't miss" prospect.
When did Giants fans get so soft in their critique of the front office?
If Neal being a bust isn't Schoen's fault, then whose is it? And this wasn't some flyer pick in the 3rd round. This is the 7th overall pick who can't even be a starter in his 3rd season. You want a standout player when picking that high...
I want Schoen to be successful here and am hopeful. But I'm still waiting for first truly impressive move.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
A most ridiculous statement. Neal was the #1 OT on the Cowboys board - their #2 player behind Thibodeaux.
Did Schoen draft him? Yes. He was a solid choice at #7. That he hasn't panned out is part of the draft. He may still overcome his faults. It just shows what a crap shoot the draft is.
You make it sound like Schoen was stupid or ignorant for that pick. I guarantee you that if the Cowboys had him rated that high, so did most teams. The Cowboys rarely miss on oline.
Why does this matter? I have never understood this argument.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
I suspect there's not a GM in the league who didn't think Neal was worth a top 10 pick. This site would have exploded if Schoen passed on him. Yet now Schoen is an idiot?
The draft ain't an exact science. And while many think Neal is a bust, we don't know what he could be if he can be healthy for a season with a good coach and a decent guard next to him.
and we are better? Sounds awfully familiar. Should have drafted Beede in the 3rd and will now play for the Cowbooys.
I got scorched on this site for suggesting we had the opportunity to select Beede. Oh, well. Joe Schoen is flailing and failing to re-build his O-line for the long run. Right now, he’s just throwing old sandbags on the levee with the water still rising.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
I suspect there's not a GM in the league who didn't think Neal was worth a top 10 pick. This site would have exploded if Schoen passed on him. Yet now Schoen is an idiot?
The draft ain't an exact science. And while many think Neal is a bust, we don't know what he could be if he can be healthy for a season with a good coach and a decent guard next to him.
Just remember that when it comes to our o-line, Joe Schoen is on the hook for more than Evan Neal. A lot more.
View Neal as the same kind of bust as Flowers or Apple, for example. Those two in particular had no business being top ten picks. Neal was pegged as a top 5 guy routinely through the pre draft process.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
I suspect there's not a GM in the league who didn't think Neal was worth a top 10 pick. This site would have exploded if Schoen passed on him. Yet now Schoen is an idiot?
The draft ain't an exact science. And while many think Neal is a bust, we don't know what he could be if he can be healthy for a season with a good coach and a decent guard next to him.
Just remember that when it comes to our o-line, Joe Schoen is on the hook for more than Evan Neal. A lot more.
Sure, as long as you remember he was saddled with Gettleman's scouts and their reports for the 2022 offseason (both draft and free agents). Not to mention one of the worst cap situations in the NFL.
So it's logical to assume Neal would have been taken top 10. McKethan was a later round dart throw. So Ezeudu is the most logical pick to question. Then you have Schmitz last year, who the final word is still out on. You can question the free agents his first two years, but what alternatives would you have signed instead for the same price? We'll also never know what last year might have looked like without the unbelievable number of injuries.
If Neal turns out okay, and none of us can know if he will or not, Schoen will have added four O line starters and at least three backups in three offseasons.
The Giants got the 2 players that the Raiders chose not to re-sign.
That's not fair Ivan. The Raiders didn't choose not to re-sign. They were UFAs. The most you could say is they chose not to franchise tag.
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It was still the Raiders choice. Eluemunor could have been had for just a bit more than the Giants offered. The price was low for a starting guard and tackle. I think the Raiders low balled or chose not to offer Van Roten what he wanted. Both decided to come home, although I think both would have stayed at something closer to their price.
I don’t understand, A Robinson had a devastating injury. There was a competent affordable average starter at a need.
Neal’s injury isn’t healing, for whatever reason.
Also, this doesn’t mean they won’t upgrade another position. I prefer especially on offense they bring in guys earlier then later due t the complexity of the system.
You need to get your 5 out there together so they can gel. At a certain point you can’t keep shuffling things around because you have a premium pick invested in another player. Historically speaking the odds were always stacked against Neal heading into this year given how bad he has been. That said, this doesn’t mean he won’t get another crack. More likely than not, there will be an injury or multiple injuries on the line, we are highly likely to see him in the starting lineup at some point. Assuming he actually gets out there again this summer, it will be interesting to see if they bother cross training him at guard or they just roll with him as the primary backup OT.
. Call me shocked if he comes off pup during the summer. He seems months away at best.
I don’t understand, A Robinson had a devastating injury. There was a competent affordable average starter at a need.
Neal’s injury isn’t healing, for whatever reason.
Also, this doesn’t mean they won’t upgrade another position. I prefer especially on offense they bring in guys earlier then later due t the complexity of the system.
This is for 1 year.
I think the issue is encapsulated in your very last line: “This is for 1 year.”
It’s a stop-gap move for a GM who has not yet demonstrated he can build an o-line for the long term through the Draft!
He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
They don't need to get him off the roster, but they did need to stop counting on him or planning for him. this takes the pressure off. He can heal, and then they can see what he has when he's better. He's under contract for 2 more years. They may get some useful service out of him, but now they aren't jammed up anymore if that doesn't happen. He could, say, see some action this yea. Maybe he looks good after he knocks the rust off and he's healthy. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he has a bigger role next year, maybe he's gone. This move doesn't just help the O-line immediately, it lets than have some room to maneuver as far as they handle Neal, depending on what they see out of him going forward.
Or they can fall off a cliff as the post SB XLVI offensive line did.
Snee and others seemed to age 3 years after the 2011-2012 season. Of course Jerry Reese tried to Band Aid things rather than full rebuild. I'm sure Mara's fingerprints were all over that plan, trying to be the first team to win a home Super Bowl with the opening of MetLife.
I like that they're taking a different approach; sign multiple "proven" (i.e. serviceable) veterans and not rely on mid / late round pick rookies.
Neal is in a different category. He was a consensus top 10 pick from a strong program (Alabama) in a strong conference (SEC). There was nothing wrong with the pick with the information available at the time.
Between the injuries, sub par offensive line coaching (apparently) and balance issues that have gone unresolved or worsened, the Giants just got mostly unlucky with Neal. I'm glad Neal at RT no longer appears to be "Plan A".
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to LG where he's most comfortable. Van Roten played all year next to Elumanor. It's a net gain across the entire line with one signing. Dicking around outside of that is going to put this team in the same spot it's been in, with moving guys around too much and not gaining cohesion.
But Runyon told Schmeelk he’s “a lot more comfortable” at right guard. At 8:30 of the linked podcast. Link - ( New Window )
and about 15 seconds before that Schmelk says 'I interviewed you before and you said you felt more comfortable on the left side and that has caused a lot of controversy since you've been on the right side..."
Not sure what the truth is but let's just hope they get it right
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of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
Penn alum unite ! What say you Milton, etc…. Hopefully he plays better than the that last stiff, Jeff Hatch.
So good for 7 games in a NYG jersey..
And more band-aids.
Giants just can’t build an o-line from the draft. How many GMs have failed?
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
A most ridiculous statement. Neal was the #1 OT on the Cowboys board - their #2 player behind Thibodeaux.
Did Schoen draft him? Yes. He was a solid choice at #7. That he hasn't panned out is part of the draft. He may still overcome his faults. It just shows what a crap shoot the draft is.
You make it sound like Schoen was stupid or ignorant for that pick. I guarantee you that if the Cowboys had him rated that high, so did most teams. The Cowboys rarely miss on oline.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
Well not "you guys," only the folks who believe in the infallibility of the coaches and the common man's inability to question or understand anything they do.
Now that it has happened it will have been the obvious right move, because the coaches did it.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Some thoughts on Greg Van Roten signing with #Giants while walking out to camp practice https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1818292496222331016 - ( New Window )
What is living on Hughes' right cheek?
Greg Van Roten - ( New Window )
Even with the prior starer additions (Runyan, Eluminor), the OL is still thin on talent and depth. Before this signing, they were an injury or two away from Ezudu at OT again 🤦🏻 (not everyone turns in to David Diehl), McKethan, and all the guys who've already proven they can't get it done. And FFS, maybe at least TRY Ezudu at OG at some point -- you know, the position he played well enough at in college that you spent a 3rd pick on him.
When there's a guy who upgrades your position who's available and affordable, you do it. I'm surprised it took so long after Van Roten visited.
Quote: He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH. /////////
Well not "you guys," only the folks who believe in the infallibility of the coaches and the common man's inability to question or understand anything they do.
Now that it has happened it will have been the obvious right move, because the coaches did it.
Not for nothing as it turns out, and I believe it was Runyon yesterday in his presser who said that the challenges of switching sides R to L or L to R are very much under appreciated and gave some granularity as to why. And we're here because of the unavailability of some of the pieces expected to be available. Hopefully, this all works out for the best, folks now here stay healthy and just sit Neal for the better part of the season.
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of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
Mike from Ohio : 1:28 pm : link : reply
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
And right on cue, not one but two posters jump in to pin a player's failure on one man.
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of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
In fairness, since then we've heard that multiple teams had him scouted that high. We saw with our own eyes that Dallas had him as the #1 OL on their board. So it's not like Schoen and Co. made some outlier mis-assessment of the guy's potential.
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of now, we haven't gotten anything from Neal, Ezeudu, or McKethan. That's on Schoen.
The fact that we have to hope that our OL will be "average" and "functional" is proof of how bad it has been for more than 10 years.
But some here keep arguing that Joe is doing a bang up job. I don't see it. At all.
At this point, after what we've all seen via Hard Knocks, and what most should know from general football knowledge, if this is your take, you must have an agenda.
Schoen takes a collaborative approach to nearly every aspect of scouting and player procurement. As do most GM's in the sport. In addition, a player's success is equally dependent on the player, the coaching, the roster (# of reps), and injury luck.
Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
And right on cue, not one but two posters jump in to pin a player's failure on one man.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
A most ridiculous statement. Neal was the #1 OT on the Cowboys board - their #2 player behind Thibodeaux.
Did Schoen draft him? Yes. He was a solid choice at #7. That he hasn't panned out is part of the draft. He may still overcome his faults. It just shows what a crap shoot the draft is.
You make it sound like Schoen was stupid or ignorant for that pick. I guarantee you that if the Cowboys had him rated that high, so did most teams. The Cowboys rarely miss on oline.
Was Ryan Leaf a good pick? No, but lot's of teams had him higher than Manning. Results dictate if the pick was good.
Sy noted that Neal wound up on the ground at the end of plays way more than any of the other top tackle prospects in college. If he noticed, you know other scouts noticed too. Neal was not a "can't miss" prospect.
That's not fair Ivan. The Raiders didn't choose not to re-sign. They were UFAs. The most you could say is they chose not to franchise tag.
I don’t think you can if he’s on PUP. And I doubt he has any value at this point.
If Neal being a bust isn't Schoen's fault, then whose is it? And this wasn't some flyer pick in the 3rd round. This is the 7th overall pick who can't even be a starter in his 3rd season. You want a standout player when picking that high...
I want Schoen to be successful here and am hopeful. But I'm still waiting for first truly impressive move.
I too want Schoen to succeed here. But I haven’t been blow away in his performance.
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Maybe by some miracle he still pans out but Schoen 100% deserves blame for the Neal pick. I don't care about his draft ranking or injuries, that is an enormous miss by Schoen.
A most ridiculous statement. Neal was the #1 OT on the Cowboys board - their #2 player behind Thibodeaux.
Did Schoen draft him? Yes. He was a solid choice at #7. That he hasn't panned out is part of the draft. He may still overcome his faults. It just shows what a crap shoot the draft is.
You make it sound like Schoen was stupid or ignorant for that pick. I guarantee you that if the Cowboys had him rated that high, so did most teams. The Cowboys rarely miss on oline.
Why does this matter? I have never understood this argument.
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
I suspect there's not a GM in the league who didn't think Neal was worth a top 10 pick. This site would have exploded if Schoen passed on him. Yet now Schoen is an idiot?
The draft ain't an exact science. And while many think Neal is a bust, we don't know what he could be if he can be healthy for a season with a good coach and a decent guard next to him.
I got scorched on this site for suggesting we had the opportunity to select Beede. Oh, well. Joe Schoen is flailing and failing to re-build his O-line for the long run. Right now, he’s just throwing old sandbags on the levee with the water still rising.
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
I suspect there's not a GM in the league who didn't think Neal was worth a top 10 pick. This site would have exploded if Schoen passed on him. Yet now Schoen is an idiot?
The draft ain't an exact science. And while many think Neal is a bust, we don't know what he could be if he can be healthy for a season with a good coach and a decent guard next to him.
Just remember that when it comes to our o-line, Joe Schoen is on the hook for more than Evan Neal. A lot more.
If you can't field better than the worst line with those resources, ya gotta go.
The bar for 'better' is not very high.
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1818395679137390916
Sy had him at an 86, meaning a pro bowl guy.
Sometimes it happens.
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In comment 16563397 JonC said:
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What a wasted pick, to this point.
That is going to go down as a very big whiff for Schoen.
I suspect there's not a GM in the league who didn't think Neal was worth a top 10 pick. This site would have exploded if Schoen passed on him. Yet now Schoen is an idiot?
The draft ain't an exact science. And while many think Neal is a bust, we don't know what he could be if he can be healthy for a season with a good coach and a decent guard next to him.
Just remember that when it comes to our o-line, Joe Schoen is on the hook for more than Evan Neal. A lot more.
Sure, as long as you remember he was saddled with Gettleman's scouts and their reports for the 2022 offseason (both draft and free agents). Not to mention one of the worst cap situations in the NFL.
So it's logical to assume Neal would have been taken top 10. McKethan was a later round dart throw. So Ezeudu is the most logical pick to question. Then you have Schmitz last year, who the final word is still out on. You can question the free agents his first two years, but what alternatives would you have signed instead for the same price? We'll also never know what last year might have looked like without the unbelievable number of injuries.
If Neal turns out okay, and none of us can know if he will or not, Schoen will have added four O line starters and at least three backups in three offseasons.
How so?
If you can't field better than the worst line with those resources, ya gotta go.
That's not a bad take...
You look @ it...right now, the best two dudes on the roster are Dex & AT. And both were drafted by the previous regime.
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The Giants got the 2 players that the Raiders chose not to re-sign.
That's not fair Ivan. The Raiders didn't choose not to re-sign. They were UFAs. The most you could say is they chose not to franchise tag.
It was still the Raiders choice. Eluemunor could have been had for just a bit more than the Giants offered. The price was low for a starting guard and tackle. I think the Raiders low balled or chose not to offer Van Roten what he wanted. Both decided to come home, although I think both would have stayed at something closer to their price.
Neal’s injury isn’t healing, for whatever reason.
Also, this doesn’t mean they won’t upgrade another position. I prefer especially on offense they bring in guys earlier then later due t the complexity of the system.
This is for 1 year.
Neal’s injury isn’t healing, for whatever reason.
Also, this doesn’t mean they won’t upgrade another position. I prefer especially on offense they bring in guys earlier then later due t the complexity of the system.
This is for 1 year.
I think the issue is encapsulated in your very last line: “This is for 1 year.”
It’s a stop-gap move for a GM who has not yet demonstrated he can build an o-line for the long term through the Draft!
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He would not rule out moving Runyon back to Left Guard after this signing.
Making Elemenour the RT.
And you guys RIPPED me for my thread about playing our O line at the natural positions SMH.
The best thing that could happen to this team. They aren’t trying to accommodate Neal anymore. They needed to move on and just admit the mistake.
Snee and others seemed to age 3 years after the 2011-2012 season. Of course Jerry Reese tried to Band Aid things rather than full rebuild. I'm sure Mara's fingerprints were all over that plan, trying to be the first team to win a home Super Bowl with the opening of MetLife.
I like that they're taking a different approach; sign multiple "proven" (i.e. serviceable) veterans and not rely on mid / late round pick rookies.
Neal is in a different category. He was a consensus top 10 pick from a strong program (Alabama) in a strong conference (SEC). There was nothing wrong with the pick with the information available at the time.
Between the injuries, sub par offensive line coaching (apparently) and balance issues that have gone unresolved or worsened, the Giants just got mostly unlucky with Neal. I'm glad Neal at RT no longer appears to be "Plan A".