Warren Sharp on Daboll:

It would be a shame if Dabs never got a shot here with a legit QB.

So we are going to force a QB pick in 2025? I thought we couldn't do that.

Over the last 3 years via FA, trade or draft . Oh wait, we were allowed to draft one or FA or trade for one but chose not to.

when this regime gave him the largest contract in franchise history

then Schoen should be on the hot seat. (If they finish 6-11 or worse in year 3, then someone's chair should be starting to feel like a charcoal grill grate.)

Personally, I think the roster is has improved a lot over what Schoen inherited, but I have grave doubts about the QB corps. Jones is hurt a lot, Lock isn't good as good as Tyrod Taylor and DeVito hasn't beaten out Lock (yet.).

"none of these poor preseason expectations are because Daboll can't coach QBs, offense or a team... they're because the roster & QB aren't good"

This is Schoen and Daboll's roster. QB I understand they had different plans in the spring, but they did re-sign him. That said, they are not finishing 4th in the NFCE.

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when this regime gave him the largest contract in franchise history

That's a fair retort & one I don't necessarily disagree with. That said-& I know he hasn't meddled in 'Hard Knocks'-I'd put good $ on Mara all but letting it be known Jones was going nowhere after '22. Just look @ his public comments.

"Lemonade out of lemons" in 2022, with a few good breaks he can do as well, or better this year. Forget the nay-sayers, the man knows what he's doing.

hot seat. This roster was/is a disaster. Yes Jones was not a good resign. The roster appears much better and improving.

Neither is on the hot seat until they're on the hot seat. If this season goes south & the stadium is half empty come December, they'll both be in the hot seat.

They have talent at all the premium positions.

It's young talent that has to play up to expectations, but this team was built how everyone says they want a team built. Now it's time to see if the seeds sprout.

In comment 16564157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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It would be a shame if Dabs never got a shot here with a legit QB.

Please stop with this. Daboll and Schoen chose to commit to Jones as their QB. They may not have drafted him, but they made the decision that he was their guy.

In comment 16564160 Go Terps said:

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So we are going to force a QB pick in 2025? I thought we couldn't do that.

Let me get this straight, picking ANY qb at 6, even the 4th or 5th ranked qb isn’t forcing the pick, but picking any qb next April is forcing a pick.

No question marks as I know the answer.

In comment 16564227 NYGmen58 said:

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In comment 16564157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: It would be a shame if Dabs never got a shot here with a legit QB. Please stop with this. Daboll and Schoen chose to commit to Jones as their QB. They may not have drafted him, but they made the decision that he was their guy.

Eh, I don't necessarily disagree with you. But I think there was a lot of pressure from above to commit to Jones. Of course this is me speculating, but as Eric said on the BBI podcast the other day...it would have been fascinating to have the Giants on Hard Knocks last offseason to see what John said about retaining Jones.

he's throwing Schoen under the bus.

How many Gettleman holdovers are there on the roster?
Jones
Thomas
Dexter
Slayton

Anyone else? Gano?

All of them were extended by Schoen.

Three full drafts/off-seasons in it's his roster now they're calling shitty.

Don't forget Azeez!

In comment 16564227 NYGmen58 said:

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In comment 16564157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: It would be a shame if Dabs never got a shot here with a legit QB. Please stop with this. Daboll and Schoen chose to commit to Jones as their QB. They may not have drafted him, but they made the decision that he was their guy.

Why would anyone believe that signing jones to a deal that sees him paid as a mid level starter and one with escape room literally 7 months from now, actually preclude the team from upgrading the qb position before too long? What the fuck is going on around here?

The giants signed a FA OT that will all but render Neal a backup and he was the 7th overall pick TWO years ago. The Giants have upgraded or replaced highly paid or highly drafted players all the time. They will do so again once they can draft or sign a better QB over jones.

One more time, jones was the best qb the giants could sign in 23 and he’s the best qb on the roster now. He’s gone when the giants find a better player. They tried last April, it didn’t happen.

Are we sure he's the best QB on the roster?

In comment 16564245 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Are we sure he's the best QB on the roster?

He’s easy to forget.

In 2022, Daboll basically took Resume Dave's roster and turned it into a playoff team. Smoke and mirrors and all.

In 2023, Schoen put more fingerprints on the roster, and re-signed Jones, and the team pulled back.

So, who should really be on a hotseat?

In comment 16564239 pjcas18 said:

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he's throwing Schoen under the bus. How many Gettleman holdovers are there on the roster? Jones Thomas Dexter Slayton Anyone else? Gano? All of them were extended by Schoen. Three full drafts/off-seasons in it's his roster now they're calling shitty.

+1

But Schoen is so great! Haha. Listen, of course I want the dude to succeed, but it drives me up the wall when I read BBIers praising him & declaring we got our GM for the next decade. Based on what? I don't get it. And I hope we go 11-6 or something this fall & I'm eating these posts.

Daboll got the job done in 2022 with a low octane QB. He almost got the job done again in 2023 with no octane QBs.

The biggest challenge in my view is whether his ego is convincing him he can get to the promise land with spare parts.

Because we've seen what he can do with a high powered QB.

If given the option of sticking with one of them, it isn't even a ?...it's Dabs.

In comment 16564263 christian said:

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The biggest challenge in my view is whether his ego is convincing him he can get to the promise land with spare parts.

I've said something similar. Daboll seems so confident in his coaching and system that he may believe he can make chicken salad with anyone.

I love the chutzpah, but that doesn't really get you to the biggest prizes.

In comment 16564264 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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If given the option of sticking with one of them, it isn't even a ?...it's Dabs.

I'd take Daboll at head coach, GM, and this point probably quarterback too.

But the Giants don't fire GMs and keep coaches.

In comment 16564261 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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But Schoen is so great! Haha. Listen, of course I want the dude to succeed, but it drives me up the wall when I read BBIers praising him & declaring we got our GM for the next decade. Based on what? I don't get it. And I hope we go 11-6 or something this fall & I'm eating these posts.

What you are describing is the "I'm-so-glad-Gettleman-is-no-longer-hear" syndrome.

Optically, we've gone from having a GM who looks and sounds like the owner of an autobody repair shop to a GM who looks and sounds like a GM should.

Oh, I think of the two...Dabs is much more likely to be shown the door sooner than Joe. But I just don't get that. Dabs has been better @ his job than Schoen.

In comment 16564280 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16564261 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: But Schoen is so great! Haha. Listen, of course I want the dude to succeed, but it drives me up the wall when I read BBIers praising him & declaring we got our GM for the next decade. Based on what? I don't get it. And I hope we go 11-6 or something this fall & I'm eating these posts. What you are describing is the "I'm-so-glad-Gettleman-is-no-longer-hear" syndrome. Optically, we've gone from having a GM who looks and sounds like the owner of an autobody repair shop to a GM who looks and sounds like a GM should.

bw in dc, yup.

While I think Joe is a better GM than Dave, that isn't saying much to me. Gettleman might be the worst GM in NFL history alongside Millen.

Here we are going into year three & over over/under is what...6.5?

In comment 16564281 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Oh, I think of the two...Dabs is much more likely to be shown the door sooner than Joe. But I just don't get that. Dabs has been better @ his job than Schoen.

Schoen may be safer because he's willing to deal and manage Mara's palpitations.

Daboll would probably say, "JFC, John. Are you kidding me? Just STFU and enjoy your money and I will figure this out..."

Soft touch vs hard touch... ;)

That's an argument that's tough to take. It's like saying "Junkin tried to make a good snap". So what? They failed. Three years in and this regime has turned a QB room from

Daniel Jones - $4M

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Jones/Lock/DeVito - $55M

If this is what trying looks like, please stop trying.

In comment 16564160 Go Terps said:

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So we are going to force a QB pick in 2025? I thought we couldn't do that.

Yep. In a down QB year. That’s how we got stuck with Jones.

Fair take. I can't help but laugh that somehow our QB 'room'-& again I hate that term-is worse in '24 than it was in '23.

But...Giants football...FEEL THE EXCITEMENT!

If this team starts off slow this season...oh man. It'll be UGLY fast. They better win Week 1 vs. Minny @ home.

this might be a good spot for a veteran QB to come in and win.

The key would be the OL. If they end up the season looking like a middle-of-the-league line, then you have what looks like a very good young WR group (Nabers-Hyatt-Robinson) and a promising TE group (Bellinger-Johnson).

Over on the defense, you'd have potentially 4 top players in the front 7 (Lawrence-Burns-Okereke-Thibideaux). The secondary has Banks and Pinnock and a bunch of young guys who might look good by the end of the year.

If the team plays well and with promise for the future, they'll have a lot of good players under team control for 2-4 years each.

If Jones can come up with a big year, he'll be in a great spot for his future. If he doesn't, I think he might just be let go with the Giants looking for a veteran to replace him. A developmental QB with a long start-up period looks like a poor choice.

In comment 16564292 The_Boss said:

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In comment 16564160 Go Terps said: Quote: So we are going to force a QB pick in 2025? I thought we couldn't do that. Yep. In a down QB year. That’s how we got stuck with Jones.

I'm still waiting to get a good answer to this question:

If the Giants decide to move on from Jones after (or during) the 2024 season and they're picking around 7-10 in this draft... what do they do then?

In comment 16564303 Go Terps said:

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If the Giants decide to move on from Jones after (or during) the 2024 season and they're picking around 7-10 in this draft... what do they do then?

If Dak is available, I fear we will be in those sweepstakes.

make a trade for a vet, just like any other time a team needs a QB. They tried trading up this year, they didn’t want lesser prospects, it is what it is.

In comment 16564313 UConn4523 said:

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make a trade for a vet, just like any other time a team needs a QB. They tried trading up this year, they didn’t want lesser prospects, it is what it is.

Happy with Cousins?...

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make a trade for a vet, just like any other time a team needs a QB. They tried trading up this year, they didn’t want lesser prospects, it is what it is.

I actually don't think they'll want to move on from Jones. If they weren't going to move on after his horrendous (on the field and health-wise) 2023, why would they move on after a 2024 that figures to be better?

The point is even if they finally come to their senses, they've left themselves few good options.

so what’s the point? If Jones stinks this year and you still think he’s our 2025 starter than there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.

In comment 16564321 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16564313 UConn4523 said: Quote: make a trade for a vet, just like any other time a team needs a QB. They tried trading up this year, they didn’t want lesser prospects, it is what it is. I actually don't think they'll want to move on from Jones. If they weren't going to move on after his horrendous (on the field and health-wise) 2023, why would they move on after a 2024 that figures to be better? The point is even if they finally come to their senses, they've left themselves few good options.

Because the cap implications made cutting him this offseason difficult and they didn’t want to pull what Denver did with Wilson. That is substantially reduced after 2024 so Jones has less leeway. I don’t think they were in a better position after 2024 season if they viewed JJM/Penix/Nix as future DJ types (players you need to surround with talent and scheme properly just to barely coax a playoff appearance). If they are that level we have not improved our QB position and we don’t have the benefit of someone like Nabers. This is not 2018 because guys like Tyreek Hill can make mediocre QB talent look better than they are. There isn’t any RB that has done that consistently in a long time.

In comment 16564325 Mike in NY said:

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Because the cap implications made cutting him this offseason difficult and they didn’t want to pull what Denver did with Wilson.

But Denver is taking their cap medicine right away and starting the process of grooming their first round QB (Nix).

That's not the worst plan.

In comment 16564336 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16564325 Mike in NY said: Quote: Because the cap implications made cutting him this offseason difficult and they didn’t want to pull what Denver did with Wilson. But Denver is taking their cap medicine right away and starting the process of grooming their first round QB (Nix). That's not the worst plan.

It is if you believe that Nix is no better than Daniel Jones. If Nix turns into Case Keenum Denver will not look smart.

Ryan Poles (Chicago): 10-24
-The Bears were so bad in his first year that he earned the first pick in the draft.

Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Minnesota): 20-14
-Very strong 2022, but 0-1 in the playoffs to NYG.

Dave Ziegler (Las Vegas): Fired

Joe Schoen (NYG): 15-18-1
-The only of the group that has a playoff win.

Schoen is a big TBD to me. But, if you don't address how much difficult his job has been based on circumstances you aren't being fair imo. If Schoen drafts Stroud after going 6-11 in 2022, my guess everyone would throw a parade for him.

Any criticism of Schoen is frustration he hasn't solved QB yet and signed Jones to a middling QB contract based on the current market.

In comment 16564303 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16564292 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 16564160 Go Terps said: Quote: So we are going to force a QB pick in 2025? I thought we couldn't do that. Yep. In a down QB year. That’s how we got stuck with Jones. I'm still waiting to get a good answer to this question: If the Giants decide to move on from Jones after (or during) the 2024 season and they're picking around 7-10 in this draft... what do they do then?

Trade a 2nd round pick for Kirk Cousins? Contract is doable and have to imagine the Falcons will want to move to Penix.

coaching for his job. He was not good last year and he is over rated as an offensive coach. His rushing scheme is lackluster and overly reliant on QB runs with his shotgun pass/run option attack. Even in 2022 it fell off significantly after the 7-2 start, especially with the RB's.

I think they will have some good games on offense but he just does not seem to emphasize the physicality that is needed in this division and even more so when it comes to navigating the NFC playoffs imv.

In comment 16564357 Sean said:

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Schoen is a big TBD to me. But, if you don't address how much difficult his job has been based on circumstances you aren't being fair imo. If Schoen drafts Stroud after going 6-11 in 2022, my guess everyone would throw a parade for him. Any criticism of Schoen is frustration he hasn't solved QB yet and signed Jones to a middling QB contract based on the current market.

Schoen is a professional NFL GM getting paid millions of dollars. That's a rare job. So, I'm not buying this sympathy you are trying to sell here.

He's not the GM for the South Sudan basketball team.

All I'm saying he's a TBD. He needs a good year. I'm not ready to fire him yet, I don't think you are either.

In comment 16564287 bw in dc said:

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Oh, I think of the two...Dabs is much more likely to be shown the door sooner than Joe. But I just don't get that. Dabs has been better @ his job than Schoen. Schoen may be safer because he's willing to deal and manage Mara's palpitations. Daboll would probably say, "JFC, John. Are you kidding me? Just STFU and enjoy your money and I will figure this out..." Soft touch vs hard touch... ;)

Watching Daboll on Hard Knocks, he's the really impressive football mind. Schoen is eh.

The level excitement Dabs exhibits with Nabers is making me pumped for the season. New York Basketball Giants baby.

I also think the franchise should be run through the HC, so I hope Daboll has a big year to really solidify himself here.

In comment 16564325 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16564321 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16564313 UConn4523 said: Quote: make a trade for a vet, just like any other time a team needs a QB. They tried trading up this year, they didn’t want lesser prospects, it is what it is. I actually don't think they'll want to move on from Jones. If they weren't going to move on after his horrendous (on the field and health-wise) 2023, why would they move on after a 2024 that figures to be better? The point is even if they finally come to their senses, they've left themselves few good options. Because the cap implications made cutting him this offseason difficult and they didn’t want to pull what Denver did with Wilson. That is substantially reduced after 2024 so Jones has less leeway. I don’t think they were in a better position after 2024 season if they viewed JJM/Penix/Nix as future DJ types (players you need to surround with talent and scheme properly just to barely coax a playoff appearance). If they are that level we have not improved our QB position and we don’t have the benefit of someone like Nabers. This is not 2018 because guys like Tyreek Hill can make mediocre QB talent look better than they are. There isn’t any RB that has done that consistently in a long time.

Who's mediocre? Tua?

Jones couldn't sniff a program like Alabama.

In comment 16564324 UConn4523 said:

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so what’s the point? If Jones stinks this year and you still think he’s our 2025 starter than there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.

The problem won't be if he stinks and makes the decision easy, the problem is if he's somewhat better than stink, the Giants win 7-8 games, and hold the 10th pick next year in what is presumed to be a weak QB draft.

Aside from Jones becoming a star QB he's never been in his entire life, the best case scenario is that he stinks.

Basically, I share the belief that all Jones has to do to be here in 2025 is remain reasonably healthy and perform just well enough to keep the Giants out of the top of the draft.

In comment 16564463 rsjem1979 said:

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Basically, I share the belief that all Jones has to do to be here in 2025 is remain reasonably healthy and perform just well enough to keep the Giants out of the top of the draft.

If the OL is poor again, you can't rule out "Mahomes couldn't win with this team...Part 2".

So, Jones is given another stay of execution by the governor...

In comment 16564361 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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coaching for his job. He was not good last year and he is over rated as an offensive coach. His rushing scheme is lackluster and overly reliant on QB runs with his shotgun pass/run option attack. Even in 2022 it fell off significantly after the 7-2 start, especially with the RB's. I think they will have some good games on offense but he just does not seem to emphasize the physicality that is needed in this division and even more so when it comes to navigating the NFC playoffs imv.

WOW, 100% clueless IMO. I can point out 7 things I completely disagree with here...

Is he more Kent Graham, Dave Brown, or K. Collins???

I agree. You are 100% clueless regarding football.

In comment 16564463 rsjem1979 said:

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Basically, I share the belief that all Jones has to do to be here in 2025 is remain reasonably healthy and perform just well enough to keep the Giants out of the top of the draft.

The wild part is if he suffers an injury with a relatively long rehab, he's probably sticking as well.

If the 23M on the injury guarantee is already his, I could absolutely see them rationalizing paying him the additional 7M. Why not? He'll be ready for camp!

his cost may keep him here, but I can’t fathom thinking Schoen (or the next GM if he’s fired) can actually sit here and not upgrade at all costs if Jones is meh or gets hurt again.

Death, taxes, Jones.

I think the probability Daboll is fired at year end are around a quarter to a third.

What are the odds of any non-first year head coach who missed the playoffs last year getting fired?

Guys like McAdoo and Judge have taught me to have a lot of humility in having confident opinions on coaches staying, lol. A season's a long time.

In comment 16564291 Go Terps said:

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That's an argument that's tough to take. It's like saying "Junkin tried to make a good snap". So what? They failed. Three years in and this regime has turned a QB room from Daniel Jones - $4M to Jones/Lock/DeVito - $55M If this is what trying looks like, please stop trying.

One major area you ignore in all your QB posts is the fact that no devision is made in a vacuum and other parts of tbe team are in play constantly.

You also ignore a team coming off a playoff win in Dabs first year- coach of the year too and no real way you can just tear that down (which is what you are suggesting they should have done). Add to it the Barkley issue and you can see how Jones got what he got.

But, I don't believe Schoen or Dabs are sold on him long term. I suspect they want their own guy after this year- even if we make it to the playoffs.

In comment 16564523 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 16564291 Go Terps said: Quote: That's an argument that's tough to take. It's like saying "Junkin tried to make a good snap". So what? They failed. Three years in and this regime has turned a QB room from Daniel Jones - $4M to Jones/Lock/DeVito - $55M If this is what trying looks like, please stop trying. One major area you ignore in all your QB posts is the fact that no devision is made in a vacuum and other parts of tbe team are in play constantly. You also ignore a team coming off a playoff win in Dabs first year- coach of the year too and no real way you can just tear that down (which is what you are suggesting they should have done). Add to it the Barkley issue and you can see how Jones got what he got. But, I don't believe Schoen or Dabs are sold on him long term. I suspect they want their own guy after this year- even if we make it to the playoffs.

An honest analysis of 2022 would have allowed for letting both Jones and Barkley walk. I believe that was the plan when Schoen took the job. They shouldn't have deviated from it, especially knowing the offense wasn't very good that year.

Hey maybe I'll be completely wrong and they'll be good this year. You can add Warren Sharp to the army of people that think the Giants are going to completely suck.

I can't find any predictions that have them going 12-5 though. Why is that?

and despite recent history, I don't think the Giants see the turnover as an avenue to success. the prior three coaches were all terrible hires and couldn't coach, as reflected in the fact that none of them got a sniff at another HC job, whereas Daboll's clearly an NFL head coach who would get another job in a sec. as for Schoen, I think again, we know the organization sees stability as essential.

if the Giants are bad this year, it will in all likelihood be because Jones is bad. and we remain in the dark about how much of the Jones signing was driven by ownership. but we know now that the football side has made clear their interest in moving on. my guess is Mara does understand his own role in pushing for Jones, and that if Jones face plants he will not actually fire the coach as some sort of cover. and I dont' think Schoen will either. if he is targeting a young qb, daboll is the coach you want on the sideline.

the caveat to all this is whether there remains a nostalgic internal interest to bring in Belichick that would lead them to the blow the whole thing up again.

will change his mind with another disappointing year.

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In comment 16564227 NYGmen58 said: Quote: In comment 16564157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: It would be a shame if Dabs never got a shot here with a legit QB. Please stop with this. Daboll and Schoen chose to commit to Jones as their QB. They may not have drafted him, but they made the decision that he was their guy. Why would anyone believe that signing jones to a deal that sees him paid as a mid level starter and one with escape room literally 7 months from now, actually preclude the team from upgrading the qb position before too long? What the fuck is going on around here? The giants signed a FA OT that will all but render Neal a backup and he was the 7th overall pick TWO years ago. The Giants have upgraded or replaced highly paid or highly drafted players all the time. They will do so again once they can draft or sign a better QB over jones. One more time, jones was the best qb the giants could sign in 23 and he’s the best qb on the roster now. He’s gone when the giants find a better player. They tried last April, it didn’t happen.

1—Regarding your 1st question – Are BD and JS on the Hot Seat THIS YEAR in your opinion? If not why not? Because you don’t expect the G-Men to be any good, right? Or if you do, and they stink, then even more of a reason why they should be, right? And they even have more talent now than the start of 2023, right? So, what was the purpose of signing Jones? In other words, why would you have expected them to win when you don’t even expect them to win now and they have even more talent?

2--- Now that you are dismissing Neal then why not also say the Giants also miss a ton on draft picks in which this Front Office clearly blew the pick with Neal, so why would you trust them now? And when you speak of “all the time” it means you are going back years beyond JS and BD. SO, why not look at recent history the last 7 years in which 6 of them has produced 6 wins or less? That’s the track record you want to rely on? With this recent track record, and understanding how the QB spot is so valuable, what makes you think the G-men can pull it off unless they go in the tank? Six of the last 7 years of poor performance gives you confidence?

3—In regard to your point about signing Jones was the best option, didn’t we hear years before how signing Nate Solder was the best OT on the board thus he was the best option? Then the next year or year after didn’t DG sign one of the top WR”s on the board- The Lions WR, and wasn’t he also a disaster? And while Dave Gettleman might have been the biggest idiot that ever ran a GM Front Office for the Giants, when he left do you recall what he said was his biggest mistake? One of his few coherent comments; He said he tried to win while also trying to rebuild, - and he shouldn’t have tried that. Thus, his evaluation was off. Isn’t it clear the Giants evaluation of the team in 2023 was off and now in 2024 we’re going to have another bad year, and more than likely show that the Giants should have been in rebuild mode after 2022 just as they are right now? So, if the Front Office was competent, why even spend so much for a mid-level guy who is one hit away, not that hard of a hit, to be forced to retire for a team that should have ben in rebuild?

If we are to go back and use history as you have suggested about Giants getting an OL eventually, then why ignore history of the past several years in which they haven’t gotten overall good OL? You speak of the FA now that will play OT, well who is the Guard that will take his place? You think this is somehow a positive that o early you discount Neal? You didn’t even defend him. How is what you stated supposed to be good overall for the entire OL unit? And now doesn’t this weaken the line so now more defensive pressure on Jones? And after this year when the team probably doesn’t do well, you will be making the same post again next year because there is a decent possibility with more talent the Giants will be a 6/7 win team and still not be in reach for a top rated draft- ready QB.

In comment 16564545 PerpetualNervousness said:

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and despite recent history, I don't think the Giants see the turnover as an avenue to success. the prior three coaches were all terrible hires and couldn't coach, as reflected in the fact that none of them got a sniff at another HC job, whereas Daboll's clearly an NFL head coach who would get another job in a sec. as for Schoen, I think again, we know the organization sees stability as essential. if the Giants are bad this year, it will in all likelihood be because Jones is bad. and we remain in the dark about how much of the Jones signing was driven by ownership. but we know now that the football side has made clear their interest in moving on. my guess is Mara does understand his own role in pushing for Jones, and that if Jones face plants he will not actually fire the coach as some sort of cover. and I dont' think Schoen will either. if he is targeting a young qb, daboll is the coach you want on the sideline. the caveat to all this is whether there remains a nostalgic internal interest to bring in Belichick that would lead them to the blow the whole thing up again.

1-- After the 7-2 start, why do you have confidence as to how BD and JS have performed?

2--- If Jones is bad and the team is bad (6/7 win team), while at least one of the 3 QB's they passed on this year appears to be an eventual franchise QB, (reasonable to assume all this could happen, right?), then why would you have confidence in their ability to asseess QB's?

3--- And if BD is as good as you think, then it would more-than-likely mean that the G-Men will be a 6/7 win team. This past year was a heavy QB draft, next year isn't. So, looking at this as of now, there is a good chance, just looking as of this moment, that the Giants won't have the ability to draft a highly-valued QB for next year, correct?

more talent, still rebuilding but he has a better stable of horses than the one he inherited.

They clearly wanted Maye or possibly even Daniels. Problem was Commanders and Patriots had to take QB.

No one could have predicted how much Neal has struggled.

Players he has brought on:
A'Shawn Robinson, Phillips, Jordan Riley
Thibodeau, Burns, Okereke
Banks
Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson.
Schmitz, Eluemunor, Runyan,

And there are still some rookies who may turn out to be plus players.

Phillips and Schmitz? Riley?

That looks like 10 good players over 3 years, when he's been given full autonomy to turn over the roster.

Forgive me if I remain in wait and see mode.

This year is HUGE for a lot of people.

*Is Daboll the year 1 or year 2 guy?

*How good is Jones now that he has an acceptable group of WRs?

*We're 3 offseasons in and Schoen's handed out $350M+ in guaranteed $$$ the last 2 years. Will the results be there?

We'll know a lot more about our key infrastructure (GM, HC and QB) after the year's over.

(Or, we'll be ravaged by injuries right away and frustratingly won't know jack sh#t again.)