2025 team needs based on Hard Knocks reveals

TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted.

In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said:

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TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted.

Good point. Of course, much depends on Theo Johnson.

What's the old saying? - "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't be lucky at all."

In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said:

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TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted.

I'm pretty sure they revealed either last week or the week before that they had Theo Johnson as TE2 on their board, behind Bowers but not dramatically so.

That doesn't necessarily mean they won't be looking at TE next year depending on the draft class, but I would consider the possibility that Schoen/Daboll currently feel like the position has been addressed.

In comment 16564722 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted. I'm pretty sure they revealed either last week or the week before that they had Theo Johnson as TE2 on their board, behind Bowers but not dramatically so. That doesn't necessarily mean they won't be looking at TE next year depending on the draft class, but I would consider the possibility that Schoen/Daboll currently feel like the position has been addressed.

I don't disagree with these points but look at Eric's opening post. They all end with "Unless they get lucky with one of the guys already on the roster..."

So ...

In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said:

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TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted.

Daboll never seemed to prioritize TE with the Bills. Dawson Knox was the main guy for years and he's pretty average. I think Bellinger and Johnson have it covered. Bowers is just one of those guys you have to do homework on. I think Waller was just because of the free agent WRs and the WR draft class last year.

Meant getting slot CB Phillips in the 3rd would have to be good enough for this draft. (And the pass rush is being counted to reduce the need to upgrade CB #2 right now)

The most telling fact - is that legit starting vet CBs are still out there and the Giants have not signed one.

In comment 16564728 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16564722 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted. I'm pretty sure they revealed either last week or the week before that they had Theo Johnson as TE2 on their board, behind Bowers but not dramatically so. That doesn't necessarily mean they won't be looking at TE next year depending on the draft class, but I would consider the possibility that Schoen/Daboll currently feel like the position has been addressed. I don't disagree with these points but look at Eric's opening post. They all end with "Unless they get lucky with one of the guys already on the roster..." So ...

Right, but the difference is - they scouted the top QBs and didn't take one. They talked about outside corner being a major need and didn't draft or sign one. They talked about DL and didn't add a notable DT.

But they did draft their TE2. So I would say that's more similar to if they had drafted one of the QBs at the top of the draft, it would still technically fall under "unless they get lucky with one of the guys already on the roster" (because you can say that about any position that is addressed via draft and you still don't know if the rookie is going to be good or not), but we wouldn't be looking at that position as a known need going into 2025.

I can't see Singletary being the long-term answer running behind this offensive line. Unless, Tracy surprises and is that big play back.

In comment 16564740 Blue Baas said:

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In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted. Daboll never seemed to prioritize TE with the Bills. Dawson Knox was the main guy for years and he's pretty average. I think Bellinger and Johnson have it covered. Bowers is just one of those guys you have to do homework on. I think Waller was just because of the free agent WRs and the WR draft class last year.

Think Waller and Bowers fell in the "add a Weapon" group. I'm sure WR and TE will both be on the list, as well as RB but maybe we have depth now to make it less of a positional need and more of who is the best playmaker on O.

I think I’d put OL on the list.

We have 3 good ones going forward longer term:

Thomas
Runyon
Eluemunor

Neal of course and even are questions in my mind.

Might need to draft OL in 2025. Not first round, but a second or third round C/OG or RT might be in play, especially if one of the QBs or CBs works out.

I can see DT too. Don’t see TE.

that will turn over after this year. Need to either know we hit on Neal, Ezuedu, JMS or replace them.

That would be a huge get. He’ll be a FA after this season but I’ll take a good year out of him and deal with that later. Don’t really see TE as a big need with Johnson and Bellinger on board. DL is #1 for me.

I agree with your QB, CB, DL assessment --

I think other slots to watch are ER and Oline

but your three are the top three the Giants need to add starters

Belton and Owens are still question marks. I count extending Pinnock as a team need. Him and Nubin for the next 4 years would be nice.

It’s been a constant battle and they have not won it yet. That too will be a critical need, perhaps even after QB.

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Belton and Owens are still question marks. I count extending Pinnock as a team need. Him and Nubin for the next 4 years would be nice.

I could see them letting Pinnock walk. Owens and Belton are next in line and there was not much emphasis placed on resigning

Regarding Owens, I think there is something there with him and will be watching him closely this preseason.

Definitely agree with Eric on the other team needs. The others I’d add are edge as they’ll need a 3rd guy if Ojulari walks, and RB as they are quite thin and can certainly upgrade from Singletary. Tracy is still an unknown at this point, and at the end of the day was a 5th round developmental pick who may never develop into a starter.

In comment 16564740 Blue Baas said:

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In comment 16564717 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: TE. They obviously liked Bowers. Now, maybe we can say that Bowers is a unicorn and it was more about the player than the position, but Schoen also understands positional value. If we believe Schoen understands positional value, then regardless of how good Bowers is, it proves the need at TE is strong. I am pretty sure TE in next year's draft is solid so I would expect another TE to be drafted. Daboll never seemed to prioritize TE with the Bills. Dawson Knox was the main guy for years and he's pretty average. I think Bellinger and Johnson have it covered. Bowers is just one of those guys you have to do homework on. I think Waller was just because of the free agent WRs and the WR draft class last year.

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I recall that Daboll “bragged” that the Bills played the last part of the 2021 season without a Tight End.

Schoen is doing scout reviews.

I'm curious what exactly is reviewed. The depth, timelessness, quality and accuracy of the evaluations? Schoen and/or another direct report disagreeing with conclusions? Etc.

In comment 16565210 bw in dc said:

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Schoen is doing scout reviews. I'm curious what exactly is reviewed. The depth, timelessness, quality and accuracy of the evaluations? Schoen and/or another direct report disagreeing with conclusions? Etc.

Sorry...wrong thread...

Yes.

Based on the fact that Neal still can't get out on the field, OLine would seem to be a need.

In comment 16564754 Dankbeerman said:

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that will turn over after this year. Need to either know we hit on Neal, Ezuedu, JMS or replace them.

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Those 3 players are on 4-year deals. JMS is only starting Year 2. Neal and Ezuedu are starting Year 3. I think only Neal is possibly a cut candidate because it is unlikely that they will pick up his 5th year option and because of the size of the 4th year contract. As a third round pick, Ezuedu’s contract should be manageable unless they decide he is hopeless.

In comment 16564751 Pete44 said:

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I can't see Singletary being the long-term answer running behind this offensive line. Unless, Tracy surprises and is that big play back.

I get tracy has low miles on him as an RB, but he's no spring chicken either, they will be looking for an RB next year.