because confirmed and perceived as irreparable sucktitude usually doesn't manifest overnight. It can take weeks. A team can win a game despite bad play. The QB can get lucky for a few weeks. Things tend to slowly manifest and if the team steals a few games early the staff will likely want to exhaust ever means possible to get Jones cranked up before they bench him for a journeyman like Lock. Again, context matters here. This isn't 2019 where Eli was coming off a decent but flawed 2018 season AND the Giants had the first round QB waiting to play. Yes Jones sucked last season. Even if the team was a mess, Jones struggled and didn't help matters. 100% true he sucked but there is no hot shot QB on the bench. There's Drew Lock and Cutlets. If one or both start showing more in practice the staff will move to that better option problem is they aren't any good either. If Jones is a train wreck week after week and the backups still look like backups I think they bench Jones anyway, but it might take a little longer. So I say if Jones is up and down with a lot of concerning moments, he gets to about week 8 but that's if the team is losing along the way.
As long as the NYG are in the playoff hunt he plays.
If the NYG are out of the playoff hunt, I'd expect to see Lock or Devito put in due to the injury payout clause in his contract, even if he was playing well. But, other than that, Jones plays, even if he plays poorly.
Not a fan but the more I read here how bad he is, the more I think he’ll do alot better than expected. The key for him is staying healthy. If he’s healthy, and can run the ball when he needs to, I think he can have a good year.
I think if we're 1-3 or 0-4 going into the Seattle game on 10.6, a diff QB starts that game. If that's the case, we are looking at another terrible 5-6 win season and there is no point in playing him considering the injury factor contract thing of his going into the next season.
I think he would get 5-7. But with that out there, I think it may be more like 2-4. I can see a scenario where Nabers is getting open repeatedly and DJ isn't getting the ball to him and Daboll makes the change
he's starting out in camp with a very familiar pattern
I really do think this is his final season -- but unless he gets injured or the season is way out of hand -- as in the playoffs are unreachable and we are headed for a top ten pick again -- I do not think he will be benched
I think the leash is longer than lot of people think as long as we are winning games and are in the playoff hunt... If we are out the playoff hunt in October/November I think the leash shortens up... I can't imagine they will bench Jones if he is healthy early in the season...They are too committed to him... whether that is the right approach is another question...
The Vikings will be one of the softer opponents on the schedule, at home, not on primetime. I'm particularly curious about this game because Jones's home splits have been strangly worse throughout his career.
Can't think of a better launch point for DJ's turnaround. If they lose and he looks bad, I have a hard time imagining him getting out the hole.
if we can’t get a win after playing Darnold/McCarthy and Daniels, it’ll pretty much be over if we then fall to 0-3 against the Browns. It’s basically season over and there’s no more reason to play him.
Will he get a longer leash if the team manages to win some games even if he's playing poorly? Coughlin pulled the plug on Warner in 2004 when the team was 5-4, but they had Eli waiting in the wings. There's no golden boy #2 this time.
continues, the leash will be short. 3 games maybe?
The Giants aren't going to risk paying that injury guarantee waiting for him to "turn it around".
I made this comment in another thread and am going to stand by it, I've overreacted to what I've seen in camp before, I'll wait until he looks like this in live game action (I would count pre-season) before I get too excited, but he needs to play better than what's been reported.
I am not sure whether this is serious question or just a rhetorical question designed as click bait. HTF does anybody know. It will depend on how well he plays and how well the Giants do as a team. I suspect he's not on a leash at all unless he does really poorly or gets hurt but that probably goes for most starting QBs in the NFL. And other than the final three games he played last year when he was the most pressured QB literally in the history of the NFL, Jones never played anywhere near that poorly. Obviously he was never great, but you don't bench your starter because he's not great.
Meanwhile, anyone pretending that Drew Lock is in anyway going to bail the team out is living in some fantasy world. He's here literally as an emergency replacement who gives the Giants a chance to win if Jones gets hurt. And rather than secretly hoping he plays one would think in a sane world every one here who claims to be a Giants fan should be hoping that Jones can stay healthy and plays closer to his 2022 level.
Belichick liked to say every year, you don't know what you have in your team until Thanksgiving, but I think teams today, especially losing teams, will not be that patient, so I say 8 games.
but that's just a measurement point. if he and the team are doing well (subjective) he stays at QB.
This is all predicated on his health which is obviously not a reliable variable, so obviously if he's hurt that changes.
Looked at from another angle, generally NFL teams bench their QBs when a) the team is losing and b) the QB is turning the ball over. I've actually never heard of a QB being benched whether winning or losing because their downfield completion rate wasn't high enough! One also gets the feeling that the Giants aren't really going to be running a traditional vertical type passing game this year but more of a spread the field, get the ball in the hands of the playmakers approach.
I have the Giants winning 4-6 games in 2024 but two of those games are the first two of the season.
So if the Giants lose those two and he is terrible, than Lock or DeVito will become the starter and DJ becomes the permanent backup for the rest of the season to avoid injury settlement. If DJ plays to his middling ceiling in those two games, than he will be the starter through the bye week as long as he remains true to his middling self. If he is terrible for any two consecutive games prior to the bye, than I believe he will be benched to see what we have in Lock and/or DeVito for the rest of the way.
After the bye week, the Giants would be nuts to play DJ unless they are still in playoff contention, which I highly doubt will be the case.
how the coaches see every QB they have in practice day after day and week after week. The fans think they know everything but they don't. They don't know when the coaching staff is drooling over some young or unproven QB in practice. All we get is lip service is we get anything at all. We didn't know that Dallas loved Dak Prescott prior to Romo getting injured in that preseason game back in 2016. We may have heard them say nice things but who can believe that. Coaches say shit all the time. We didn't know that Parcells was gushing more and more about some unknown undrafted QB named Tony Romo. The same Romo who was in Dallas for 2-3 years, learning, developing all under the radar. Bledsoe throws a few ducks in that game against the Giants and in comes Romo. That surprised us, but it didn't surprise the Dallas staff because they were warming up to Romo more and more. The second Bledsoe shit the bed he was done there.
If Cutlets or even Lock start kicking ass in practice and Jones isn't kicking ass in the games, I promise you all, that dude will get his chance and soon. You can wrap your heads around some Mara nonsense or other crap but the NFL doesn't work that way 99% of the time. Daboll and Schoen want to win. They need to win. They will play the best QB they see in practice.
I think Jones plays every game he's healthy or until the Giants have clinched a playoff spot.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
Good point Christian; I was going to add the same thing. Barring an injury or if he really terrible which he's never been here Jones is the guy and he's going to play as long as the Giants are in contention. Could we finally just move on!!
I would say as long as we have a playoff shot he is the QB, I don't think Lock or Devito are any better. He has had good long ball accuracy in the past so I don't think that will be a problem and if it is I could see Daboll tightening up the playbook with the after the catch talent on this team.
Once they are out of any playoff chances he is done and they wrap him in bubblewrap.
If he wins the first 2, I see the Giants losing their next 4 games. So he’ll be benched after 6 games, because they won’t play him against the Steeler’s pass rush and risk having to pay that injury guarantee.
Do we really think DeVito or Lock are going to be put in, in place of Jones? Only if he gets hurt again. He’s getting paid far too much money to sit on the bench. That said he either plays his way to sticking around longer or getting replaced after the season IMHO.
If the goal is to get the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, how is Lock not the right answer then?
I can pretty much guarantee right here and now the Giants goal is NOT to get the top QB in the 2025 draft. Its to get back to what they started in 2022 and make the playoffs. get with program and move on!
If the goal is to get the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, how is Lock not the right answer then?
I can pretty much guarantee right here and now the Giants goal is NOT to get the top QB in the 2025 draft. Its to get back to what they started in 2022 and make the playoffs. get with program and move on!
Daniel Jones will go down in NFL history as the worst quarterback ever to play the position with fifty or more starts. And he is the highest paid player in Giants history and the fifth highest cap hit in 2024. All of the individuals who have been part of that "program" thus far have been summarily fired. So I would guess that both Schoen and Daboll are weighing the relative strengths of sticking with that "program" in relation to their future employment.
If the goal is to get the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, how is Lock not the right answer then?
I can pretty much guarantee right here and now the Giants goal is NOT to get the top QB in the 2025 draft. Its to get back to what they started in 2022 and make the playoffs. get with program and move on!
And when they achieve neither goal, Jones gets a 7th season to the delight of many who don't really care about winning.
waving his arms and Danny Checkoff throws the ball to Singletary for a 3 yard gain will be the end.
The problem with Jones is that he is so inconsistent that he gives both sides something to point to in support. If he is putting up his typical 200 yard, less than a 1 td passing a game (and that is what he has been throughout his career) and the team is winning, he will play. If that is what he is putting up and the team is losing, he's going to sit. I just don't see him playing.
I think they very well could start 2-0, but then comes a brutal stretch: Browns on the road, Cowboys, Seattle on the road, Bengals, Eagles, Steelers on the road. I think Jones goes to the bench during that stretch.
0-3 and he has 3 or less TDs he gets stapled to the bench and a bubble wrap suit
Best answer. 0-3 with awful QB play will get him benched. He’s on a short leash IMO. Now, if he’s mediocre and they slog to a 3-5 start, it may take 8 games or so. DJ needs to be average or better and the Giants need to be at or near .500 for him to stay as the starter.
Is losing a bunch of games with Jones back there really the worst thing in the world? Yeah, the injury thing, I get it. But Jones is not my biggest concern. I already know he's not the answer. My biggest concern is getting to a QB who is a legit answer.
waving his arms and Danny Checkoff throws the ball to Singletary for a 3 yard gain will be the end.
Better question will be how long with it take for Nabers to be called a "diva" around here for showing up the QB who either can't or won't make throws with anticipation.
Is losing a bunch of games with Jones back there really the worst thing in the world? Yeah, the injury thing, I get it. But Jones is not my biggest concern. I already know he's not the answer. My biggest concern is getting to a QB who is a legit answer.
Losing a bunch of games with Jones likely ends in Daboll being fired. Moving off Jones quickly may save his job even if the won/loss record isn't great
As long as he wants to play and isn't completely abysmal
If he throws for 200 yards per game, 1 TD, .75 Ints, we have a dull, low-scoring offense. He will start. He earned his $160 M that way. And he'll be the QB for 24 and 25 if he maintains that level.
Jones is in year 3 of a system with a great offensive mind, a stacked group of receivers, and offensive line full of veterans who have played good football. This is his moment.
Is losing a bunch of games with Jones back there really the worst thing in the world? Yeah, the injury thing, I get it. But Jones is not my biggest concern. I already know he's not the answer. My biggest concern is getting to a QB who is a legit answer.
Losing a bunch of games with Jones likely ends in Daboll being fired. Moving off Jones quickly may save his job even if the won/loss record isn't great
I don't agree. I don't think Daboll is on the hot seat. If Jones is the reason for the reason for losses, I don't see that getting pinned on Daboll.
I really do think this is his final season -- but unless he gets injured or the season is way out of hand -- as in the playoffs are unreachable and we are headed for a top ten pick again -- I do not think he will be benched
there will always be excuses
This. 0-3 and he looks mediocre or worse, he's on the bench. I wouldn't put 0-2 out of the question either given that's the soft part of the schedule.
There's a reason MGM has his passing TD o/u at 9.5, and that's not soley due to injury risk.
Can't think of a better launch point for DJ's turnaround. If they lose and he looks bad, I have a hard time imagining him getting out the hole.
The Giants aren't going to risk paying that injury guarantee waiting for him to "turn it around".
I made this comment in another thread and am going to stand by it, I've overreacted to what I've seen in camp before, I'll wait until he looks like this in live game action (I would count pre-season) before I get too excited, but he needs to play better than what's been reported.
Meanwhile, anyone pretending that Drew Lock is in anyway going to bail the team out is living in some fantasy world. He's here literally as an emergency replacement who gives the Giants a chance to win if Jones gets hurt. And rather than secretly hoping he plays one would think in a sane world every one here who claims to be a Giants fan should be hoping that Jones can stay healthy and plays closer to his 2022 level.
Belichick liked to say every year, you don't know what you have in your team until Thanksgiving, but I think teams today, especially losing teams, will not be that patient, so I say 8 games.
but that's just a measurement point. if he and the team are doing well (subjective) he stays at QB.
This is all predicated on his health which is obviously not a reliable variable, so obviously if he's hurt that changes.
If he plays ok and the team is winning some games, his leash is longer.
If he plays really well - he will get the season.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
So if the Giants lose those two and he is terrible, than Lock or DeVito will become the starter and DJ becomes the permanent backup for the rest of the season to avoid injury settlement. If DJ plays to his middling ceiling in those two games, than he will be the starter through the bye week as long as he remains true to his middling self. If he is terrible for any two consecutive games prior to the bye, than I believe he will be benched to see what we have in Lock and/or DeVito for the rest of the way.
After the bye week, the Giants would be nuts to play DJ unless they are still in playoff contention, which I highly doubt will be the case.
If Cutlets or even Lock start kicking ass in practice and Jones isn't kicking ass in the games, I promise you all, that dude will get his chance and soon. You can wrap your heads around some Mara nonsense or other crap but the NFL doesn't work that way 99% of the time. Daboll and Schoen want to win. They need to win. They will play the best QB they see in practice.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
If the goal is to get the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, how is Lock not the right answer then?
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
Good point Christian; I was going to add the same thing. Barring an injury or if he really terrible which he's never been here Jones is the guy and he's going to play as long as the Giants are in contention. Could we finally just move on!!
Once they are out of any playoff chances he is done and they wrap him in bubblewrap.
His high water mark was an efficient season aided by an extraordinary amount of luck.
The best thing going for Jones is they downgraded the backup talent.
I can pretty much guarantee right here and now the Giants goal is NOT to get the top QB in the 2025 draft. Its to get back to what they started in 2022 and make the playoffs. get with program and move on!
Quote:
If the goal is to get the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, how is Lock not the right answer then?
I can pretty much guarantee right here and now the Giants goal is NOT to get the top QB in the 2025 draft. Its to get back to what they started in 2022 and make the playoffs. get with program and move on!
Daniel Jones will go down in NFL history as the worst quarterback ever to play the position with fifty or more starts. And he is the highest paid player in Giants history and the fifth highest cap hit in 2024. All of the individuals who have been part of that "program" thus far have been summarily fired. So I would guess that both Schoen and Daboll are weighing the relative strengths of sticking with that "program" in relation to their future employment.
I'd wager Jones missed 1/4 of the season with a head or neck injury. We'll have more information on DeVito as the off season develops.
But that's a WAG
Quote:
If the goal is to get the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, how is Lock not the right answer then?
I can pretty much guarantee right here and now the Giants goal is NOT to get the top QB in the 2025 draft. Its to get back to what they started in 2022 and make the playoffs. get with program and move on!
And when they achieve neither goal, Jones gets a 7th season to the delight of many who don't really care about winning.
The problem with Jones is that he is so inconsistent that he gives both sides something to point to in support. If he is putting up his typical 200 yard, less than a 1 td passing a game (and that is what he has been throughout his career) and the team is winning, he will play. If that is what he is putting up and the team is losing, he's going to sit. I just don't see him playing.
I think they very well could start 2-0, but then comes a brutal stretch: Browns on the road, Cowboys, Seattle on the road, Bengals, Eagles, Steelers on the road. I think Jones goes to the bench during that stretch.
Best answer. 0-3 with awful QB play will get him benched. He’s on a short leash IMO. Now, if he’s mediocre and they slog to a 3-5 start, it may take 8 games or so. DJ needs to be average or better and the Giants need to be at or near .500 for him to stay as the starter.
Better question will be how long with it take for Nabers to be called a "diva" around here for showing up the QB who either can't or won't make throws with anticipation.
Losing a bunch of games with Jones likely ends in Daboll being fired. Moving off Jones quickly may save his job even if the won/loss record isn't great
If he throws for 200 yards per game, 1 TD, .75 Ints, we have a dull, low-scoring offense. He will start. He earned his $160 M that way. And he'll be the QB for 24 and 25 if he maintains that level.
Quote:
Is losing a bunch of games with Jones back there really the worst thing in the world? Yeah, the injury thing, I get it. But Jones is not my biggest concern. I already know he's not the answer. My biggest concern is getting to a QB who is a legit answer.
Losing a bunch of games with Jones likely ends in Daboll being fired. Moving off Jones quickly may save his job even if the won/loss record isn't great