A. Will he be fully healed and near 100% back from the injury?
B. How well is he playing vs the team ? ie. he could play well and the defense is shit or is his play costing them games?
C. How much pressure is on Schabs to win this year?
D. What is happening in the division?
My bet … if the Giants are not at least 2-2 coming out of September, then I’m starting Drew Lock in Seattle. There’s 10 days between Dallas and the Hawks, and while Lock has warts, he’s light years better than TT.
think eight games at most, especially if his poor or even mediocre play is clearly causing the Giants to lose games. The FO tried to trade up for Maye and likely also would have done so for Daniels. They want to replace Jones, and Lock is a capable backup who had some success last year in Seattle. His lease will be short IMO.
I think Jones plays every game he's healthy or until the Giants have clinched a playoff spot.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
Good point Christian; I was going to add the same thing. Barring an injury or if he really terrible which he's never been here Jones is the guy and he's going to play as long as the Giants are in contention. Could we finally just move on!!
Not sure why discussion around Daniel Jones bothers you so much that you continually try to stifle it.
and the team is winning enough games he will remain the starter with a solid performance for the season.
If the team falls out of contention for the playoffs as the injury guarantee will play a factor imv.
Really slow start through the first 6-8 games I expect heat also on Daboll who will be in the self preservation mode and will go with another QB to create a spark.
I would say till they are out of the playoffs. But the 2025 QB is not on the roster if it is not Jones, so it makes no sense to put in Lock or Devito like they are going to start next year.
The Giants really need to be 2-0. They absolutely have to start fast like 2022. If they don't, the noise will be loud to put in Lock/DeVito.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
The Giants really need to be 2-0. They absolutely have to start fast like 2022. If they don't, the noise will be loud to put in Lock/DeVito.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
This isn’t a patient fan base when it comes to the QB position.
The Giants really need to be 2-0. They absolutely have to start fast like 2022. If they don't, the noise will be loud to put in Lock/DeVito.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
This isn’t a patient fan base when it comes to the QB position.
I don't doubt a slow start will create uneasiness with the fanbase and media. But Daboll the talent evaluator has put Daboll the coach in a tough spot.
Lock is an abomination. He's closer to Fromm than he is Daniel Jones.
Sept. 8 Vikings
Sept. at Commanders
Sept. 22 at Browns
Sept. 26 Thu Cowboys
Sun at Seahawks
Oct. 13 Bengals
Oct. 20 Eagles
Oct. 28 Mon at Steelers
I see the Giants at:
2 - 0, then
2 - 6, maybe 3 - 5 with an upset
Are the Giants 3 - 5 despite above average passing and running from Jones or barely 2 - 6, with Jones poor play costing the Giants multiple games?
I think if the Giants start 0 - 2 and the reason is poor play by Jones, I can see Lock starting in week 3.
If the Giants start 2 - 0, winning in spite of Jones poor play, then get blown out 3 games in a row, losing due to Jones, I could see Lock starting the home game versus the Bengals.
Bottom line he gets at least 2 games and potentially as many as 8.
The Giants really need to be 2-0. They absolutely have to start fast like 2022. If they don't, the noise will be loud to put in Lock/DeVito.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
This isn’t a patient fan base when it comes to the QB position.
I don't doubt a slow start will create uneasiness with the fanbase and media. But Daboll the talent evaluator has put Daboll the coach in a tough spot.
Lock is an abomination. He's closer to Fromm than he is Daniel Jones.
That's the thing. The Giants don't have an exciting alternative that the fans are going to be screaming for.
If I were a cynical man I might even believe the Giants did that on purpose with the express purpose of not threatening Daniel's status as the starter.
I don't doubt a slow start will create uneasiness with the fanbase and media. But Daboll the talent evaluator has put Daboll the coach in a tough spot.
Lock is an abomination. He's closer to Fromm than he is Daniel Jones.
That's the thing. The Giants don't have an exciting alternative that the fans are going to be screaming for.
If I were a cynical man I might even believe the Giants did that on purpose with the express purpose of not threatening Daniel's status as the starter.
I think the way things unfolded is a great indication of intentions. The Giants were open to replacing Jones with a blue chip prospect, otherwise it's Daniel Jones show.
Even having a Spencer Rattler or some later round QB prospect would at least drum up curiosity. It's shocking they did not address the position beyond Lock.
If a high priority was to avoid even a hint of a QB controversy
then the backup solution would look exactly like Drew Lock.
And despite his perfect uninspiring track record and appearance, he still had to be instructed to inform the world that he is not going to compete for the starting job at his 1st media availability.
Even having a Spencer Rattler or some later round QB prospect would at least drum up curiosity. It's shocking they did not address the position beyond Lock.
I don't find it at all shocking given how this franchise treats the QB position.
RE: The Giants have put themselves in a brutal spot
Even having a Spencer Rattler or some later round QB prospect would at least drum up curiosity. It's shocking they did not address the position beyond Lock.
Just depressing AF.
RE: The Giants have put themselves in a brutal spot
Even having a Spencer Rattler or some later round QB prospect would at least drum up curiosity. It's shocking they did not address the position beyond Lock.
I am not sure it wasn't by design, Lock and Devito are not upgrades at all it puts little pressure on the franchise if Jones stumbles at moments if you have an unknown the fanbase and media would be screaming to see what the rookie has.
They will not do that with lock or Devito now if Jones is a trainwreak than of course they will call for lock.
more than a few times, to "just throw the ball", something we've already heard, I think DJ could be out by say, 6 weeks in. The coaches will choose Nabers over Vance at this point...
RE: The Giants have put themselves in a brutal spot
Even having a Spencer Rattler or some later round QB prospect would at least drum up curiosity. It's shocking they did not address the position beyond Lock.
It's shocking if the team is being a logical actor - i.e. every decision is made with an eye towards advancing to Super Bowl contention. But we've seen time and again that's not how they operate.
It actually would have been (pleasantly) shocking if they'd even drafted a Rattler/Milton/Pratt. But...
I don’t know how they justify sticking with Jones if he’s awful. We have eyes.
They've justified it for years. Shit we still have fans on this board justifying it, and I suspect they're a pretty good representation of the fanbase in general. Don't forget the Minnesota game...
At least until they are definitely eliminated from the playoffs.
If they’re in the playoff hunt, I don’t think they move off Jones unless he is awful. Let’s not act like there’s a young Kurt Warner waiting in the wings.
I think Jones plays every game he's healthy or until the Giants have clinched a playoff spot.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
I think horrendous is a bit of an overstatement. I don’t think Lock is necessarily good, Jones is better, but I don’t see THAT much daylight between the 2.
RE: As long as he wants to play and isn't completely abysmal
If he throws for 200 yards per game, 1 TD, .75 Ints, we have a dull, low-scoring offense. He will start. He earned his $160 M that way. And he'll be the QB for 24 and 25 if he maintains that level.
He’s the QB in 25 with 17 TDS and 13 interceptions? I doubt that
The Falcons have Penix sitting there. It's a tradeable contract. If the rest of the roster shows promise, I could see NYG trading a 2nd round pick for Cousins.
What are their options really going to be in 2025? We know two things for certain:
1. This organization takes a full bloom love approach to drafting first round quarterbacks. Is there a QB in this class that merits full bloom love? Even if there is, what are the odds the Giants will be in position to draft him?
2. Here's the list of FA QBs who, as of today, are available:
Who on this list is so appealing that the Giants will be willing to pay him AND eat ~$25M in dead money for cutting Jones? From the Giants' perspective wouldn't it just make sense to go with Jones another year?
From a "Let's get a QB" perspective, 2024 was a far more fertile landscape to do so. Even if the Giants want to get one in 2025, the options figure to be really limited.
that Jones will play/start as long as he's healthy.
I think that's what they have to do after Schoen half-assed the trade opportunity with Wolf and continued our recent "tradition" of not drafting a QB.
Remember the draft mantra from Schoen: we need to get a weapon for Daniel. Well, Daniel should get a full season to see how he can operate with a new offensive team.
Buckle in BBI for the Daniel Jones Experience, Season 6.
In 2019, Eli got 2 games before being benched. I see no reason why Jones should have a leash longer than Eli. In both situations, the Giants have an incentive to bench the starter (in 2019 it was to let the rookie play, in 2024 it's the injury guarantee). If Jones is bad and the Giants are 0-2, he should be benched. To say otherwise is to say that Daniel Jones has earned a longer leash than Eli Manning.
Interesting to note that in those 2 games Eli averaged 278 passing yards (higher than the per game total yards for Jones in any year of his career) and 1 TD (higher than Jones per game average for every year of his career since 2019). So even if Jones plays to his career averages, history tells us that he should be benched, unless you want to argue that Daniel Jones should have a longer leash than Eli Manning
RE: If a high priority was to avoid even a hint of a QB controversy
then the backup solution would look exactly like Drew Lock.
And despite his perfect uninspiring track record and appearance, he still had to be instructed to inform the world that he is not going to compete for the starting job at his 1st media availability.
Manning had a top 10 pick on his heals. Jones has a career backup who was the worst quarterback in the NFL the one time he got his chance, and a former UDFA who got thrown to the wolves and benched last year.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
B. How well is he playing vs the team ? ie. he could play well and the defense is shit or is his play costing them games?
C. How much pressure is on Schabs to win this year?
D. What is happening in the division?
My bet … if the Giants are not at least 2-2 coming out of September, then I’m starting Drew Lock in Seattle. There’s 10 days between Dallas and the Hawks, and while Lock has warts, he’s light years better than TT.
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I think Jones plays every game he's healthy or until the Giants have clinched a playoff spot.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
Good point Christian; I was going to add the same thing. Barring an injury or if he really terrible which he's never been here Jones is the guy and he's going to play as long as the Giants are in contention. Could we finally just move on!!
Not sure why discussion around Daniel Jones bothers you so much that you continually try to stifle it.
Unfortunately, with the parody in the NFL, this could be week 14 even for a bad team
Shoot me to the moon if that happens.
If the team falls out of contention for the playoffs as the injury guarantee will play a factor imv.
Really slow start through the first 6-8 games I expect heat also on Daboll who will be in the self preservation mode and will go with another QB to create a spark.
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You give him until they are out of the playoff hunt unless they are losing despite his stellar play.
Unfortunately, with the parody in the NFL, this could be week 14 even for a bad team
I hope I’m wrong, but that’s how I think it will play out.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
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You give him until they are out of the playoff hunt unless they are losing despite his stellar play.
Unfortunately, with the parody in the NFL, this could be week 14 even for a bad team
I noticed that but couldn't figure out the edit. Anyway, "parody" works as well
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The Giants really need to be 2-0. They absolutely have to start fast like 2022. If they don't, the noise will be loud to put in Lock/DeVito.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
This isn’t a patient fan base when it comes to the QB position.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
This isn’t a patient fan base when it comes to the QB position.
I don't doubt a slow start will create uneasiness with the fanbase and media. But Daboll the talent evaluator has put Daboll the coach in a tough spot.
Lock is an abomination. He's closer to Fromm than he is Daniel Jones.
If he is not cooking by then and has a bad game he will be tied to the bench for the rest of the year.
If he puts it together and beats Dallas he may be able to go on a roll but I wont believe it till it happens.
Sept. at Commanders
Sept. 22 at Browns
Sept. 26 Thu Cowboys
Sun at Seahawks
Oct. 13 Bengals
Oct. 20 Eagles
Oct. 28 Mon at Steelers
I see the Giants at:
2 - 0, then
2 - 6, maybe 3 - 5 with an upset
Are the Giants 3 - 5 despite above average passing and running from Jones or barely 2 - 6, with Jones poor play costing the Giants multiple games?
I think if the Giants start 0 - 2 and the reason is poor play by Jones, I can see Lock starting in week 3.
If the Giants start 2 - 0, winning in spite of Jones poor play, then get blown out 3 games in a row, losing due to Jones, I could see Lock starting the home game versus the Bengals.
Bottom line he gets at least 2 games and potentially as many as 8.
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The Giants really need to be 2-0. They absolutely have to start fast like 2022. If they don't, the noise will be loud to put in Lock/DeVito.
I think the most likely outcome is an appeal to patience as Jones is returning from injury, 3/5 of the offensive line will be new, and the number of new skill players.
I think Daboll is in the very rare position where overloading the quarterback and concentrating the blame their helps his chances.
This isn’t a patient fan base when it comes to the QB position.
I don't doubt a slow start will create uneasiness with the fanbase and media. But Daboll the talent evaluator has put Daboll the coach in a tough spot.
Lock is an abomination. He's closer to Fromm than he is Daniel Jones.
That's the thing. The Giants don't have an exciting alternative that the fans are going to be screaming for.
If I were a cynical man I might even believe the Giants did that on purpose with the express purpose of not threatening Daniel's status as the starter.
The press would go wild with his benching. That's the main reason why I think the Giants won't bench him.
I seriously doubt they'd pull him after 3 or 4 games.
I don't doubt a slow start will create uneasiness with the fanbase and media. But Daboll the talent evaluator has put Daboll the coach in a tough spot.
Lock is an abomination. He's closer to Fromm than he is Daniel Jones.
That's the thing. The Giants don't have an exciting alternative that the fans are going to be screaming for.
If I were a cynical man I might even believe the Giants did that on purpose with the express purpose of not threatening Daniel's status as the starter.
I think the way things unfolded is a great indication of intentions. The Giants were open to replacing Jones with a blue chip prospect, otherwise it's Daniel Jones show.
And despite his perfect uninspiring track record and appearance, he still had to be instructed to inform the world that he is not going to compete for the starting job at his 1st media availability.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
I don't find it at all shocking given how this franchise treats the QB position.
Just depressing AF.
I am not sure it wasn't by design, Lock and Devito are not upgrades at all it puts little pressure on the franchise if Jones stumbles at moments if you have an unknown the fanbase and media would be screaming to see what the rookie has.
They will not do that with lock or Devito now if Jones is a trainwreak than of course they will call for lock.
It's shocking if the team is being a logical actor - i.e. every decision is made with an eye towards advancing to Super Bowl contention. But we've seen time and again that's not how they operate.
It actually would have been (pleasantly) shocking if they'd even drafted a Rattler/Milton/Pratt. But...
They've justified it for years. Shit we still have fans on this board justifying it, and I suspect they're a pretty good representation of the fanbase in general. Don't forget the Minnesota game...
You know he has durability issues. Not career threatening issues. But durability issues.
These players are UFAs: Brissett, Darnold, Mariota, and Trubisky. Also Fields is available for a late round pick.
And you end up with Drew Lock.
I don't understand what they're thinking is at the QB position.
Daboll isn't going to put his job in the hands of a trainwreck like Lock willingly. Lock is a horrendous quarterback.
I think horrendous is a bit of an overstatement. I don’t think Lock is necessarily good, Jones is better, but I don’t see THAT much daylight between the 2.
If he throws for 200 yards per game, 1 TD, .75 Ints, we have a dull, low-scoring offense. He will start. He earned his $160 M that way. And he'll be the QB for 24 and 25 if he maintains that level.
He’s the QB in 25 with 17 TDS and 13 interceptions? I doubt that
1. This organization takes a full bloom love approach to drafting first round quarterbacks. Is there a QB in this class that merits full bloom love? Even if there is, what are the odds the Giants will be in position to draft him?
2. Here's the list of FA QBs who, as of today, are available:
Who on this list is so appealing that the Giants will be willing to pay him AND eat ~$25M in dead money for cutting Jones? From the Giants' perspective wouldn't it just make sense to go with Jones another year?
From a "Let's get a QB" perspective, 2024 was a far more fertile landscape to do so. Even if the Giants want to get one in 2025, the options figure to be really limited.
I think that's what they have to do after Schoen half-assed the trade opportunity with Wolf and continued our recent "tradition" of not drafting a QB.
Remember the draft mantra from Schoen: we need to get a weapon for Daniel. Well, Daniel should get a full season to see how he can operate with a new offensive team.
Buckle in BBI for the Daniel Jones Experience, Season 6.
Interesting to note that in those 2 games Eli averaged 278 passing yards (higher than the per game total yards for Jones in any year of his career) and 1 TD (higher than Jones per game average for every year of his career since 2019). So even if Jones plays to his career averages, history tells us that he should be benched, unless you want to argue that Daniel Jones should have a longer leash than Eli Manning
And despite his perfect uninspiring track record and appearance, he still had to be instructed to inform the world that he is not going to compete for the starting job at his 1st media availability.
Great point.
2) if he gets injured…and misses multiple games especially if mid season or later, I think they’ll bench him for the injury guarantee.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?