If he throws for 200 yards per game, 1 TD, .75 Ints, we have a dull, low-scoring offense. He will start. He earned his $160 M that way. And he'll be the QB for 24 and 25 if he maintains that level.
He’s the QB in 25 with 17 TDS and 13 interceptions? I doubt that
I think that would be enough, sadly.
"Bounceback year after major injury"
"Offense showed signs of life"
"Cap hit lower in 2025 and won't be in position to draft QB"
If Jones sucks, he should be benched. WTF are we even doing if he isn’t? Isn’t the fucking point of this entire exercise to win? If Jones is playing bad football and we are losing, this organization-presumably wanting to win-should sit him and at least try another option.
If Jones sucks, he should be benched. WTF are we even doing if he isn’t? Isn’t the fucking point of this entire exercise to win? If Jones is playing bad football and we are losing, this organization-presumably wanting to win-should sit him and at least try another option.
Manning had a top 10 pick on his heals. Jones has a career backup who was the worst quarterback in the NFL the one time he got his chance, and a former UDFA who got thrown to the wolves and benched last year.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
The injury guarantee. If he doesn't look good for a few games, then the chance that he plays well enough to be back next year would (should) be low. If those chances are low, you don't risk owing him another 23 million
If Jones sucks, he should be benched. WTF are we even doing if he isn’t? Isn’t the fucking point of this entire exercise to win? If Jones is playing bad football and we are losing, this organization-presumably wanting to win-should sit him and at least try another option.
The Giants have chosen Jones. As bad as Jones might be, the other two players represent extreme long shots to outperform him.
The best outcome we can hope for in my view is a DeVito rapidly develops and is a far better player than he was last year.
Manning had a top 10 pick on his heals. Jones has a career backup who was the worst quarterback in the NFL the one time he got his chance, and a former UDFA who got thrown to the wolves and benched last year.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
The injury guarantee. If he doesn't look good for a few games, then the chance that he plays well enough to be back next year would (should) be low. If those chances are low, you don't risk owing him another 23 million
On the surface, I get the logic. But the Giants so far have not operated under any fear of retaining and paying Jones. And I believe that extends into next year as well.
I don't believe a practical economic situation will influence them now.
I don’t know how they justify sticking with Jones if he’s awful. We have eyes.
They've justified it for years. Shit we still have fans on this board justifying it, and I suspect they're a pretty good representation of the fanbase in general. Don't forget the Minnesota game...
This regime has been here for 2 full seasons. Not 6. One of which saw Jones play well. It's not don't forget the Minny game as much as it's what choice do we have and remember he played well for the majority of the 22 season or at least well enough to win 9-10 games. It wasn't one game. HE won 10 that year and was a top 8-9 FF QB in terms of stats so he was doing something right that season.
Again, it's 2 years not 6 and they tried to trade up for a QB.
His high water mark was an efficient season aided by an extraordinary amount of luck.
The best thing going for Jones is they downgraded the backup talent.
It's unfair to say Jones was aided by an extraordinary amount of anything and that included the 22 season.
Jones has played one season with an elite talent alongside him and that was 2022 with Barkley. IF you want to count 2019 fine, count it. HE was so so as a rookie so go ahead and count the 12 games he got to play with Barkley but I think it was less than 12 games.
HE beat decent teams in 2022. He beat GB. Ravens. HE beat Wash who was 500 (or maybe they were 9-8) HE did beat a decent team on the road in Minny. "Extraordinary??" Really? No. Jones, Barkley and Thomas carried a shit team to 9 wins. The D was below average. Look it up.
Manning had a top 10 pick on his heals. Jones has a career backup who was the worst quarterback in the NFL the one time he got his chance, and a former UDFA who got thrown to the wolves and benched last year.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
The injury guarantee. If he doesn't look good for a few games, then the chance that he plays well enough to be back next year would (should) be low. If those chances are low, you don't risk owing him another 23 million
On the surface, I get the logic. But the Giants so far have not operated under any fear of retaining and paying Jones. And I believe that extends into next year as well.
I don't believe a practical economic situation will influence them now.
I agree with you that the Giants haven't operated in a way to indicate that they will analyze this in a objective or practical way, which is the damning part for this regime.
My point is that when Jones plays poorly and still gets multiple months of starts, that is the organization saying Daniel Jones deserves a longer leash than Eli Manning. Fans and the Media should interpret the situation and react as such
if you just allow for the belief that Jones is OK. Maybe even slightly below OK but the type of QB that can navigate a season if things are relatively decent or stable around him, you can allow for the belief that he can win games in 24.
2 years. One good year. One bad year. That's what up and down QBs do. The Giants know that they have in Jones. They will try to replace him at every passing turn but you don't bypass a 90 rated WR for an 82 rated QB.
For all the praise that Daboll and Schoen get here
It should be noted that in 2019, the Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur regime made a tough emotional decision to bench Eli early in the season. Not only was it tough from an emotional lens, but it is also a decision that they knew would leave them with egg on their face after giving Eli and additional $20 million just a few months before it. This wasn't done to try to win more games in 2019, it was done to set up the franchise to be better in future years (by letting a rookie QB get some valuable experience).
What does it say that this regime that almost no one here believes that Jones would be benched after a few bad games even though it would be better for the long term health of the franchise? What does it say that many on here believe that part of the reason is that they don't want to look like they have egg on their face because they gave him that contract? The majority on here believe that this regime won't do the obviously right thing to do for the future of the franchise, when even Gettleman and Shurmur would do it. It's pretty damning
His high water mark was an efficient season aided by an extraordinary amount of luck.
The best thing going for Jones is they downgraded the backup talent.
It's unfair to say Jones was aided by an extraordinary amount of anything and that included the 22 season.
Jones has played one season with an elite talent alongside him and that was 2022 with Barkley. IF you want to count 2019 fine, count it. HE was so so as a rookie so go ahead and count the 12 games he got to play with Barkley but I think it was less than 12 games.
HE beat decent teams in 2022. He beat GB. Ravens. HE beat Wash who was 500 (or maybe they were 9-8) HE did beat a decent team on the road in Minny. "Extraordinary??" Really? No. Jones, Barkley and Thomas carried a shit team to 9 wins. The D was below average. Look it up.
Jones won the Ravens game? Or the defense getting two turnovers did?
The defense didn’t hold the Packers to 22 points? They didn’t hold Washington to 12?
The offense was ranked 15th in PPG and the defense was 17th. They were both fairly average. The defense gave up 18.5 ppg during the 6-1 start, then when the offense fell apart and so did the defense.
Saqoun and the defense deserve just as much credit for 2022 as Jones. This narrative that he led them to where they went has always been nonsense.
I'm probably more bullish on DeVito than most, but I don't think he's better than a healthy Jones.
Disagree. I think DeVito will outplay Jones in camp in August. He’s a better long distance passer, understands leverage and if historical patterns hold will make a big leap in performance this season. I’m not saying he starts week 1, to be clear. Just that he should start week 1.
I'm probably more bullish on DeVito than most, but I don't think he's better than a healthy Jones.
Disagree. I think DeVito will outplay Jones in camp in August. He’s a better long distance passer, understands leverage and if historical patterns hold will make a big leap in performance this season. I’m not saying he starts week 1, to be clear. Just that he should start week 1.
Agreed. I'm confident saying DeVito is a better passer and a more instinctive player.
RE: For all the praise that Daboll and Schoen get here
It should be noted that in 2019, the Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur regime made a tough emotional decision to bench Eli early in the season. Not only was it tough from an emotional lens, but it is also a decision that they knew would leave them with egg on their face after giving Eli and additional $20 million just a few months before it. This wasn't done to try to win more games in 2019, it was done to set up the franchise to be better in future years (by letting a rookie QB get some valuable experience).
What does it say that this regime that almost no one here believes that Jones would be benched after a few bad games even though it would be better for the long term health of the franchise? What does it say that many on here believe that part of the reason is that they don't want to look like they have egg on their face because they gave him that contract? The majority on here believe that this regime won't do the obviously right thing to do for the future of the franchise, when even Gettleman and Shurmur would do it. It's pretty damning
Doesn't say anything about this regime. it says something about fans that see what they want to see and make shit up.
This staff isn't benching Jones unless the guy coming in is a better option.
Eli was showing signs of being cooked early on in 2019. Jones was the younger player with upside. If Devito Or Lock shows things in practice and Jones is struggling one of them will play.
the staff will see it if he does. Stranger things have happened. I am a little bit excited for him as he seems confident and showed something as a rookie.
A north Jersey born Don Bosco grad QB playing well will be a very popular player.
Btw, speaking of vet QBs who could be acquired next offseason, no one is talking about a trade for DeShaun Watson, after a public apology. Is that crazy?
RE: RE: For all the praise that Daboll and Schoen get here
It should be noted that in 2019, the Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur regime made a tough emotional decision to bench Eli early in the season. Not only was it tough from an emotional lens, but it is also a decision that they knew would leave them with egg on their face after giving Eli and additional $20 million just a few months before it. This wasn't done to try to win more games in 2019, it was done to set up the franchise to be better in future years (by letting a rookie QB get some valuable experience).
What does it say that this regime that almost no one here believes that Jones would be benched after a few bad games even though it would be better for the long term health of the franchise? What does it say that many on here believe that part of the reason is that they don't want to look like they have egg on their face because they gave him that contract? The majority on here believe that this regime won't do the obviously right thing to do for the future of the franchise, when even Gettleman and Shurmur would do it. It's pretty damning
Doesn't say anything about this regime. it says something about fans that see what they want to see and make shit up.
This staff isn't benching Jones unless the guy coming in is a better option.
Eli was showing signs of being cooked early on in 2019. Jones was the younger player with upside. If Devito Or Lock shows things in practice and Jones is struggling one of them will play.
It really is that simple.
Let's say the staff deems Jones to be not good enough, and someone they plan of cutting after the year, but they also think he is the best QB they have. In that case, he should still be benched because it is in the best interest of the future of the franchise. At that point it doesn't matter that Jones is the best QB on the roster, if he isn't your future you shouldn't be risking over 8% cap space for next year. Too often this franchise has been more worried about winning games in a lost year to get to 5 or 6 wins than building an actual contender
follow their actions. Follow the money. Jones was coming off the best year of his career are we correct? Yes. OK good. Jones was a UFA coming off that season. He got paid what amounted to about average starting QB money. About 10-12th or so give or take. And the contract allowed for escape by NYG after TWO years. Get that? The guy was 26 years old. Coming off his best season. He gets a deal paying him not top 5, not top 3. Not even top 8 money. And wiggle room after 2 years. If NYG and Jones knew that Jones was better he's getting more years and MUCH more money. They paid Jones like a stopgap but with no other alternative. They didn't pay Jones like you would pay the LB Okereke who got top 3-5 money for his position. They didn't pay Jones like they tagged Barkley as one of the best RBs in the game. They didn't pay Jones like Andrew Thomas got paid as a top 2-3 LT. Maybe you think they should have moved on right there and then, fine, but they didn't. And I have a hard time believing the grass today is oh so green simply because NYG let Jones walk after 22. Great they let Jones walk and look for a QB in 2023 and if that guy isn't any good we're in the same spot today, still looking for a long term answer. Jones has 1-2 more years left on the cap.
Jones isn't long for the Giants unless he has another good season mirroring 2022 or close to it. I will die on that hill. And even then they might just let him play on the last year of his deal and say do it again.
I'm probably more bullish on DeVito than most, but I don't think he's better than a healthy Jones.
Disagree. I think DeVito will outplay Jones in camp in August. He’s a better long distance passer, understands leverage and if historical patterns hold will make a big leap in performance this season. I’m not saying he starts week 1, to be clear. Just that he should start week 1.
Agreed. He may not be a better athlete, but he is more instinctive, processes more quickly and has the courage to stand in the pocket and execute the vertical passing game.
I'm confident in saying Daboll is going to test Jones
I hope you guys get your dream boy QB. We all want that. Above all else I want this roster to be stabilized to he point where we can plug in a decent QB and expect results. Plug in a good or great QB and expect greatness. We all want that. I don't think NYG fans are sitting around dying to be right about Jones as much as they just want Jones to succeed. It's impossible to defend his play in 2023. It's also impossible to defend the elements surrounding him but great QBs elevate the team. Jones hasn't done that.
I selfishly wanted either a WR or edge player in round 1, April. I got my wish. I think the roster is approaching a place where you have some vet star power, (5-6-7 guys here in the fold) some up n coming young players and some decent stops that can help more than hurt. To me that was equally as vital as finding the next great QB.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
I am not sure whether this is serious question or just a rhetorical question designed as click bait. HTF does anybody know. It will depend on how well he plays and how well the Giants do as a team. I suspect he's not on a leash at all unless he does really poorly or gets hurt but that probably goes for most starting QBs in the NFL. And other than the final three games he played last year when he was the most pressured QB literally in the history of the NFL, Jones never played anywhere near that poorly. Obviously he was never great, but you don't bench your starter because he's not great.
Meanwhile, anyone pretending that Drew Lock is in anyway going to bail the team out is living in some fantasy world. He's here literally as an emergency replacement who gives the Giants a chance to win if Jones gets hurt. And rather than secretly hoping he plays one would think in a sane world every one here who claims to be a Giants fan should be hoping that Jones can stay healthy and plays closer to his 2022 level.
This is a message board for fans.
The idea of fans discussing hypothetical scenarios seems to confuse you, and has since you were Snablats.
I like DeVito, but he is a pretty hesitant passer in the pocket as well. On per game basis he took fewer deep shots than 2022 Jones as well.
Graded on curve I thought he was great. Graded on reality he was not.
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I’m not a big DeVito fan simply because he doesn’t fit my image of a NYG QB. However, based on how he looked last year compared to any other rookie in a similar position (coming in to a team clearly out of playoff contention), he deserves another look. There are a lot of starting QBs in this league who don’t fit my image of a NYG QB.
Home - Vikings, Away - Commanders, Away - Browns, Home - Cowboys and Away- Seahawks.
I believe the best we will see is 2 wins (Vikings and Commanders). I don't see 3 or more. The next 3 games are against the Bengals, Eagles and Steelers. I'm concerned this could get ugly. Schoen and Dabold must be evaluating this schedule to assess "Decision Points" on when to fish or cut bait.
In my view this is a tough schedule; especially with the AFC North included. Therefore, I predict a change after game 5.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Exactly. It takes a long time to get eliminated from the playoffs in the NFC now with 7 spots. We were probably the 4th worst team in the league last year and technically "in the hunt" into December.
But it is not because he's not going to be benched, he'll lose his job because of injury. I think Lock or Devito, or whoever will play marginally better than Jones and that will be it.
And I strongly believe both Lock and Cutlets should be allowed to be QB1 to compare how they do with the ones with how Jones’ does.
In other words, based on 2023, I see no reason to give Jones a head start. He hasn’t deserved it….I don’t care how much he makes. That does not translate into competency.
Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Exactly. It takes a long time to get eliminated from the playoffs in the NFC now with 7 spots. We were probably the 4th worst team in the league last year and technically "in the hunt" into December.
That’s what the Maras strive for…‘meaningful December football’.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
Very good post. I agree.
The Giants are heavily in like with Jones. This is not a player on the brink of losing his job to Drew Lock.
In retrospect I think the biggest signal ends up being the Burns trade. A team on a quarterback hunt doesn't trade pick 39. That's a critical asset. A team on the hunt pairs 39 and 47 and gets to 23 like Minnesota did.
With 6, 23, and next year's first round pick in play -- that's a serious offer to New England.
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then he will be the starter.
If he throws for 200 yards per game, 1 TD, .75 Ints, we have a dull, low-scoring offense. He will start. He earned his $160 M that way. And he'll be the QB for 24 and 25 if he maintains that level.
He’s the QB in 25 with 17 TDS and 13 interceptions? I doubt that
I think that would be enough, sadly.
"Bounceback year after major injury"
"Offense showed signs of life"
"Cap hit lower in 2025 and won't be in position to draft QB"
"Let's give him another year"
Blah blah blah blah blah.
It is not just about winning.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
The injury guarantee. If he doesn't look good for a few games, then the chance that he plays well enough to be back next year would (should) be low. If those chances are low, you don't risk owing him another 23 million
The Giants have chosen Jones. As bad as Jones might be, the other two players represent extreme long shots to outperform him.
The best outcome we can hope for in my view is a DeVito rapidly develops and is a far better player than he was last year.
It’s wild that people who are registered on a message board actually use the message board.
What other breaking news do you have for us?
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
The injury guarantee. If he doesn't look good for a few games, then the chance that he plays well enough to be back next year would (should) be low. If those chances are low, you don't risk owing him another 23 million
On the surface, I get the logic. But the Giants so far have not operated under any fear of retaining and paying Jones. And I believe that extends into next year as well.
I don't believe a practical economic situation will influence them now.
And DeVito-while probably no savior himself-was better than Jones last year.
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I don’t know how they justify sticking with Jones if he’s awful. We have eyes.
They've justified it for years. Shit we still have fans on this board justifying it, and I suspect they're a pretty good representation of the fanbase in general. Don't forget the Minnesota game...
This regime has been here for 2 full seasons. Not 6. One of which saw Jones play well. It's not don't forget the Minny game as much as it's what choice do we have and remember he played well for the majority of the 22 season or at least well enough to win 9-10 games. It wasn't one game. HE won 10 that year and was a top 8-9 FF QB in terms of stats so he was doing something right that season.
Again, it's 2 years not 6 and they tried to trade up for a QB.
His high water mark was an efficient season aided by an extraordinary amount of luck.
The best thing going for Jones is they downgraded the backup talent.
It's unfair to say Jones was aided by an extraordinary amount of anything and that included the 22 season.
Jones has played one season with an elite talent alongside him and that was 2022 with Barkley. IF you want to count 2019 fine, count it. HE was so so as a rookie so go ahead and count the 12 games he got to play with Barkley but I think it was less than 12 games.
HE beat decent teams in 2022. He beat GB. Ravens. HE beat Wash who was 500 (or maybe they were 9-8) HE did beat a decent team on the road in Minny. "Extraordinary??" Really? No. Jones, Barkley and Thomas carried a shit team to 9 wins. The D was below average. Look it up.
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Manning had a top 10 pick on his heals. Jones has a career backup who was the worst quarterback in the NFL the one time he got his chance, and a former UDFA who got thrown to the wolves and benched last year.
I think things will have to be really ugly to bench Jones. Why keep him, go through the rehab, skip over 3 red chip prospects, and skip over a handful of tweeners to not give him enough runway?
The injury guarantee. If he doesn't look good for a few games, then the chance that he plays well enough to be back next year would (should) be low. If those chances are low, you don't risk owing him another 23 million
On the surface, I get the logic. But the Giants so far have not operated under any fear of retaining and paying Jones. And I believe that extends into next year as well.
I don't believe a practical economic situation will influence them now.
I agree with you that the Giants haven't operated in a way to indicate that they will analyze this in a objective or practical way, which is the damning part for this regime.
My point is that when Jones plays poorly and still gets multiple months of starts, that is the organization saying Daniel Jones deserves a longer leash than Eli Manning. Fans and the Media should interpret the situation and react as such
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Nice to see a thread about Jones and the Giants QB situation not taken over by SF, Go Terps and their ilk!
It’s wild that people who are registered on a message board actually use the message board.
What other breaking news do you have for us?
Snorkels routinely trys to shut down conversation. I'm not sure he understand the purpose of a fan forum
2 years. One good year. One bad year. That's what up and down QBs do. The Giants know that they have in Jones. They will try to replace him at every passing turn but you don't bypass a 90 rated WR for an 82 rated QB.
What does it say that this regime that almost no one here believes that Jones would be benched after a few bad games even though it would be better for the long term health of the franchise? What does it say that many on here believe that part of the reason is that they don't want to look like they have egg on their face because they gave him that contract? The majority on here believe that this regime won't do the obviously right thing to do for the future of the franchise, when even Gettleman and Shurmur would do it. It's pretty damning
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Jones has never been terrible? LOL.
His high water mark was an efficient season aided by an extraordinary amount of luck.
The best thing going for Jones is they downgraded the backup talent.
It's unfair to say Jones was aided by an extraordinary amount of anything and that included the 22 season.
Jones has played one season with an elite talent alongside him and that was 2022 with Barkley. IF you want to count 2019 fine, count it. HE was so so as a rookie so go ahead and count the 12 games he got to play with Barkley but I think it was less than 12 games.
HE beat decent teams in 2022. He beat GB. Ravens. HE beat Wash who was 500 (or maybe they were 9-8) HE did beat a decent team on the road in Minny. "Extraordinary??" Really? No. Jones, Barkley and Thomas carried a shit team to 9 wins. The D was below average. Look it up.
Jones won the Ravens game? Or the defense getting two turnovers did?
The defense didn’t hold the Packers to 22 points? They didn’t hold Washington to 12?
The offense was ranked 15th in PPG and the defense was 17th. They were both fairly average. The defense gave up 18.5 ppg during the 6-1 start, then when the offense fell apart and so did the defense.
Saqoun and the defense deserve just as much credit for 2022 as Jones. This narrative that he led them to where they went has always been nonsense.
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You give him until they are out of the playoff hunt unless they are losing despite his stellar play.
Unfortunately, with the parody in the NFL, this could be week 14 even for a bad team
Awesome!
Disagree. I think DeVito will outplay Jones in camp in August. He’s a better long distance passer, understands leverage and if historical patterns hold will make a big leap in performance this season. I’m not saying he starts week 1, to be clear. Just that he should start week 1.
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I'm probably more bullish on DeVito than most, but I don't think he's better than a healthy Jones.
Disagree. I think DeVito will outplay Jones in camp in August. He’s a better long distance passer, understands leverage and if historical patterns hold will make a big leap in performance this season. I’m not saying he starts week 1, to be clear. Just that he should start week 1.
Agreed. I'm confident saying DeVito is a better passer and a more instinctive player.
What does it say that this regime that almost no one here believes that Jones would be benched after a few bad games even though it would be better for the long term health of the franchise? What does it say that many on here believe that part of the reason is that they don't want to look like they have egg on their face because they gave him that contract? The majority on here believe that this regime won't do the obviously right thing to do for the future of the franchise, when even Gettleman and Shurmur would do it. It's pretty damning
Doesn't say anything about this regime. it says something about fans that see what they want to see and make shit up.
This staff isn't benching Jones unless the guy coming in is a better option.
Eli was showing signs of being cooked early on in 2019. Jones was the younger player with upside. If Devito Or Lock shows things in practice and Jones is struggling one of them will play.
It really is that simple.
Btw, speaking of vet QBs who could be acquired next offseason, no one is talking about a trade for DeShaun Watson, after a public apology. Is that crazy?
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It should be noted that in 2019, the Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur regime made a tough emotional decision to bench Eli early in the season. Not only was it tough from an emotional lens, but it is also a decision that they knew would leave them with egg on their face after giving Eli and additional $20 million just a few months before it. This wasn't done to try to win more games in 2019, it was done to set up the franchise to be better in future years (by letting a rookie QB get some valuable experience).
What does it say that this regime that almost no one here believes that Jones would be benched after a few bad games even though it would be better for the long term health of the franchise? What does it say that many on here believe that part of the reason is that they don't want to look like they have egg on their face because they gave him that contract? The majority on here believe that this regime won't do the obviously right thing to do for the future of the franchise, when even Gettleman and Shurmur would do it. It's pretty damning
Doesn't say anything about this regime. it says something about fans that see what they want to see and make shit up.
This staff isn't benching Jones unless the guy coming in is a better option.
Eli was showing signs of being cooked early on in 2019. Jones was the younger player with upside. If Devito Or Lock shows things in practice and Jones is struggling one of them will play.
It really is that simple.
Let's say the staff deems Jones to be not good enough, and someone they plan of cutting after the year, but they also think he is the best QB they have. In that case, he should still be benched because it is in the best interest of the future of the franchise. At that point it doesn't matter that Jones is the best QB on the roster, if he isn't your future you shouldn't be risking over 8% cap space for next year. Too often this franchise has been more worried about winning games in a lost year to get to 5 or 6 wins than building an actual contender
Jones isn't long for the Giants unless he has another good season mirroring 2022 or close to it. I will die on that hill. And even then they might just let him play on the last year of his deal and say do it again.
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I'm probably more bullish on DeVito than most, but I don't think he's better than a healthy Jones.
Disagree. I think DeVito will outplay Jones in camp in August. He’s a better long distance passer, understands leverage and if historical patterns hold will make a big leap in performance this season. I’m not saying he starts week 1, to be clear. Just that he should start week 1.
Agreed. He may not be a better athlete, but he is more instinctive, processes more quickly and has the courage to stand in the pocket and execute the vertical passing game.
Graded on curve I thought he was great. Graded on reality he was not.
I selfishly wanted either a WR or edge player in round 1, April. I got my wish. I think the roster is approaching a place where you have some vet star power, (5-6-7 guys here in the fold) some up n coming young players and some decent stops that can help more than hurt. To me that was equally as vital as finding the next great QB.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
I can think of one reason: perpetual losing.
Meanwhile, anyone pretending that Drew Lock is in anyway going to bail the team out is living in some fantasy world. He's here literally as an emergency replacement who gives the Giants a chance to win if Jones gets hurt. And rather than secretly hoping he plays one would think in a sane world every one here who claims to be a Giants fan should be hoping that Jones can stay healthy and plays closer to his 2022 level.
This is a message board for fans.
The idea of fans discussing hypothetical scenarios seems to confuse you, and has since you were Snablats.
Graded on curve I thought he was great. Graded on reality he was not.
One was a UDFA who had zero practice snaps until the week AFTER his 1st start, the other had been a 3-year starter. Who’s being graded on a curve?
Graded on curve I thought he was great. Graded on reality he was not.
I’m not a big DeVito fan simply because he doesn’t fit my image of a NYG QB. However, based on how he looked last year compared to any other rookie in a similar position (coming in to a team clearly out of playoff contention), he deserves another look. There are a lot of starting QBs in this league who don’t fit my image of a NYG QB.
pjcas, thank you for that.
I believe the best we will see is 2 wins (Vikings and Commanders). I don't see 3 or more. The next 3 games are against the Bengals, Eagles and Steelers. I'm concerned this could get ugly. Schoen and Dabold must be evaluating this schedule to assess "Decision Points" on when to fish or cut bait.
In my view this is a tough schedule; especially with the AFC North included. Therefore, I predict a change after game 5.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
Very good post. I agree.
Lock isn’t a good QB and DeVito isn’t very good either. If you’re hoping DJ fails it’s not going to be any better from the bench.
Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Exactly. It takes a long time to get eliminated from the playoffs in the NFC now with 7 spots. We were probably the 4th worst team in the league last year and technically "in the hunt" into December.
Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Yup the 17 game schedule and the extra playoff spot are working as designed.
But it is not because he's not going to be benched, he'll lose his job because of injury. I think Lock or Devito, or whoever will play marginally better than Jones and that will be it.
Until, they bring back Jones to start in 2025.
And I strongly believe both Lock and Cutlets should be allowed to be QB1 to compare how they do with the ones with how Jones’ does.
In other words, based on 2023, I see no reason to give Jones a head start. He hasn’t deserved it….I don’t care how much he makes. That does not translate into competency.
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Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Exactly. It takes a long time to get eliminated from the playoffs in the NFC now with 7 spots. We were probably the 4th worst team in the league last year and technically "in the hunt" into December.
That’s what the Maras strive for…‘meaningful December football’.
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New York Giants (eliminated in Week 16)
Even in a horrible season, the Giants were not "eliminated" unit week 16. If that's the measuring point, then Jones will play all year
Yup the 17 game schedule and the extra playoff spot are working as designed.
And bad teams can make the playoffs, like the Giants did in 2022.
1) If the stars hand aligned the Giants were willing to replace Jones with a blue chip QB
2) They also feel the skill talent and pass protection wasn't adequate, and for Jones to succeed, this needed improvement
Because they ultimately couldn't address number one, they addressed number two. I see no reason they would give Jones a short runway to prove out their thesis.
Very good post. I agree.
The Giants are heavily in like with Jones. This is not a player on the brink of losing his job to Drew Lock.
In retrospect I think the biggest signal ends up being the Burns trade. A team on a quarterback hunt doesn't trade pick 39. That's a critical asset. A team on the hunt pairs 39 and 47 and gets to 23 like Minnesota did.
With 6, 23, and next year's first round pick in play -- that's a serious offer to New England.
So Daniel Jones gets a 'bad' team (your words not mine) to the playoffs but he sucks. You guys have to get your stories straight!