seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
The Giants didn't think highly enough of Milton to draft him in the first 5 rounds. I doubt their opinion has changed much, given that teams haven't even played an exhibition game yet.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
The Giants didn't think highly enough of Milton to draft him in the first 5 rounds. I doubt their opinion has changed much, given that teams haven't even played an exhibition game yet.
Certainly didn't necessarily mean right this second.
As we can all remember too, Milton was flagged on yellow on the Giants board, the only player with that flag.
Maybe tagged him for a position switch? (TE) Would love the answer to what that color represented.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
He overthrew Wan'Dale deep on a busted coverage.
He's never had a rocket, but his arm has been above average. His issue is he is misfiring. We see him nail some of these throws, but the consistency isn't there.
I think that’s the media world we are in, always mixed signals. One day I hear JJ McCarthy is doing terrible, the next day he throws 4 TD’s in practice.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
His willingness?
Yeah, he doesn't throw the rock down the field. I don't know if JJ/Garrett coached it out of him, he's damaged goods from being hit so often that he gets rid of the ball STAT, or whatever.
There was no reason not to take Pratt or Milton in the sixth round
Somehow, the Pats, who actually did get Drake Maye, were sensible enough to also take a developmental quarterback in the sixth round who happens to have a massive ceiling.
It starts with the feet. I haven't seen any videos where it is evident, but I wonder if Jones' base is not quite where it is comfortable for him, and that explains the inconsistency.
I don't think the OL was the complete sh*tshow it was during most of the time Jones was playing in 2023 as it was for TT & De Vito.
Admittedly, finding the "good Giants 2023 offense line" might be a fool's errand, but Jones likely had more than his share of the crappiest OL during the season.
I think that’s the media world we are in, always mixed signals. One day I hear JJ McCarthy is doing terrible, the next day he throws 4 TD’s in practice.
People lean too far into training camp stats. We never really know what the team is trying to do, or test. It's trial and error.
The 49ers Brock Purdy tossed 4 INT's in 5 passes.Lamar and Josh Allen have been mentioned as throwing the most picks so far in camp. It means nothing.
What I find most interesting is how quick teams move off QB
We've heard Schoen reference getting to know QBs in case they become available down the line. We know Daboll works well with QBs.
Who's to say someone like Bryce Young doesn't become available after this season? Could Drake Maye be available via trade a year from now? How does next years QB crop look?
There are a lot of moving parts to acquiring a QB. I'd keep an eye on young, cost controlled QBs who haven't hit.
Do the Pats even have anyone to develop Maye?
Jordan Love was on track to be a bust, now he's the highest paid QB in NFL history. Things change fast.
We've heard Schoen reference getting to know QBs in case they become available down the line. We know Daboll works well with QBs.
Who's to say someone like Bryce Young doesn't become available after this season? Could Drake Maye be available via trade a year from now? How does next years QB crop look?
There are a lot of moving parts to acquiring a QB. I'd keep an eye on young, cost controlled QBs who haven't hit.
Do the Pats even have anyone to develop Maye?
Jordan Love was on track to be a bust, now he's the highest paid QB in NFL history. Things change fast.
It would have been interesting if, for example, the Giants had acquired Sam Howell.
And apparently Malik Willis is having a great camp...😁
But again, if the methodology is "full bloom love" then this isn't the route the Giants are likely to take.
I know I sound like a broken record with this, but I really don't think the Giants brass recognize how out the fan base is on Jone. It just isn't BBIers. My old man-a Giants fan since the early '60s-wants to move on.
It could get really ugly really fast this fall if he doesn't play well.
I was definitely on the bandwagon yelling in rd 5 and 6 for the Giants
Oh, it wasn't. But it wasn't great shakes either. And both TT & DeVito were able to sling it downfield.
And TT badly underthrew all but one deep ball he threw. If you are going to use examples, use ones that are valid. The last one to Slayton(it was a beauty) was the only one he threw that hit a WR in stride. The rest(mostly to Hyatt) were 2 to 3 yards short.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Eric, how can you throw deep when you are on your back?
Well if you process information quickly and make good decisions, maybe you don't wind up on your back to begin with.
Bingo. Peyton Manning and Dan Marino always had great pass blocking o-lines throughout their careers. Just a coincidence.
Jones is not good passing the football and he has an average arm. Somehow this myth developed that he was a great long passer. Total bullshit. He's winding up all he can to get the ball 50-55 yards down field. Lock flicks his wrist and the ball goes 30 yards and Lock is not a great qb. You guys have been watching shit for so long that you all forgot what a great passer looks like.
Oh, it wasn't. But it wasn't great shakes either. And both TT & DeVito were able to sling it downfield.
And TT badly underthrew all but one deep ball he threw. If you are going to use examples, use ones that are valid. The last one to Slayton(it was a beauty) was the only one he threw that hit a WR in stride. The rest(mostly to Hyatt) were 2 to 3 yards short.
Look at Slayton's stats with Danny Checkdown v. Slayton with Taylor and Devito. You would think it is a totally different receiver.
I’m not sure about Devito, but Lock is more of a gunslinger than Jones
I know I sound like a broken record with this, but I really don't think the Giants brass recognize how out the fan base is on Jone. It just isn't BBIers. My old man-a Giants fan since the early '60s-wants to move on.
It could get really ugly really fast this fall if he doesn't play well.
I completely agree with this. The first two games are so important. If they start 0-2 and then the tough stretch of games to follow and everything gets very ugly. And then add Barkley playing well in Philly. Yikes.
Oh, it wasn't. But it wasn't great shakes either. And both TT & DeVito were able to sling it downfield.
And TT badly underthrew all but one deep ball he threw. If you are going to use examples, use ones that are valid. The last one to Slayton(it was a beauty) was the only one he threw that hit a WR in stride. The rest(mostly to Hyatt) were 2 to 3 yards short.
Look at Slayton's stats with Danny Checkdown v. Slayton with Taylor and Devito. You would think it is a totally different receiver.
Yeah, that's great, but has nothing to do with the question. That Jones is underthrowing a lot of his passes in camp is the premise and that his arm is not strong is the answer. In fact, Tyrod Taylor underthrew Hyatt and Slayton several times last year(except one). I give them full credit for making the throws that Jones wouldn't or didn't. They took the shot and completed a few - unfortunately they could have been TDs had they been thrown deeper. I don't remember DeVito underthrowing, but Taylor did on the majority of his deep throws.
What we want from Jones is to take the shots TT and DeVito did take. The more he throws in camp, the better his timing and accuracy will be on those deep chances. He needs to develop the timing with Nabers and Hyatt and get familiar with their speed.
IMHO, if he doesn't start getting some connection with his WRs, Daboll will sit his ass. Schoen and he didn't pick Nabers, Hyatt and Wan'Dale so Jones could throw flats passes to them.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
He overthrew Wan'Dale deep on a busted coverage.
He's never had a rocket, but his arm has been above average. His issue is he is misfiring. We see him nail some of these throws, but the consistency isn't there.
This exactly. Always been accurate with decent arm. Could never ask him to make those throws that require a true rope. I think in camp they had him roll right and throw across his body to the left to Nabers. I don't ever expect him to be good in that situation. He can throw deep, but usually with air, not line drive. The problem is still the same. Bad reads. Either because of inability to process, or inability to pull the trigger, just can't seem to get the ball to the right place after the first read is covered. I still think playing behind a crap OL for 5 years is the problem, but it doesn't really matter why, anymore. It might get fixed. But it seems really unlikely.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
On Hard Knocks he was labeled yellow on their board. Most have taken to mean they think he should to switch positions. They thought so little of his tape at QB, they see him as a TE.
seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
He overthrew Wan'Dale deep on a busted coverage.
He's never had a rocket, but his arm has been above average. His issue is he is misfiring. We see him nail some of these throws, but the consistency isn't there.
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OC Mike Kafka looks at the underthrown deep balls from Daniel Jones this summer as “part of practicing.” He doesn’t think it’s physical. Believes it’s more learning the wide receivers, working on timing and gaining familiarity,
With an average arm, timing, touch, and anticipation are much more important. Less room for error.
Such a good point. When you have a +/++ arm you can away with faulty mechanics, a pocket that's not ideal, and, if you can move, a better chance to execute plays on the move.
"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
Also throwing the ball downfield is not limited to fly/go routes
Posts, flags, deep ins, deep outs, etc. It's willingness to throw more than 20 yards down field, which he has shown incapable and unwilling to do year over year.
Nobody denies the OL has sucked for years. But, there is also too much evidence of bad reads consistently with him. This includes pre-snap reads, like identifying the coverage, blitzes, hot reads, etc. It also includes going through progressions. Jones' processing leaves a lot to be desired.
For me, the excuses are over. They still don't have a great OL. But, they landed 2 good OGs and depth. On top of that, they added a true #1 WR and an athletic TE, to go along with a decent and reliable RB. Depth at RB will be a factor. But, there should be enough in place for this offense to look at least serviceable. A good to better QB should produce, in my opinion.
"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
JFC, can we wait until the guy gets at least five years? Then that will give us a better idea when he heads into that critical sixth season.
"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
JFC, can we wait until the guy gets at least five years? Then that will give us a better idea when he heads into that critical sixth season.
I think we'll be making similar jokes next year about needing a 6th or even 7th year to be sure. Can we be sure about what Tom Brady was after only 23 years in the league? I'm not sure.
I'm not trying to kill Maye based on a week of camp. My concerns with him were based on 2023. I watched a ton of him because you knew if any of the QBs were going to make John and Chris Mara go pitter patter it was going to be Maye.
I just didn't see it. I certainly didn't see enough to value him SO much higher than the 3 guys that went after him. They were willing to trade up for Maye, but I'd bet money they wouldn't have taken any of Penix, McCarthy, or Nix if they'd been there for them in round 2.
For the Giants it was Maye or nothing - what the hell kind of strategy is that???
"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
JFC, can we wait until the guy gets at least five years? Then that will give us a better idea when he heads into that critical sixth season.
I think we'll be making similar jokes next year about needing a 6th or even 7th year to be sure. Can we be sure about what Tom Brady was after only 23 years in the league? I'm not sure.
I'm not trying to kill Maye based on a week of camp. My concerns with him were based on 2023. I watched a ton of him because you knew if any of the QBs were going to make John and Chris Mara go pitter patter it was going to be Maye.
I just didn't see it. I certainly didn't see enough to value him SO much higher than the 3 guys that went after him. They were willing to trade up for Maye, but I'd bet money they wouldn't have taken any of Penix, McCarthy, or Nix if they'd been there for them in round 2.
For the Giants it was Maye or nothing - what the hell kind of strategy is that???
One would think that message board GM who is the end all be all on QB evaluations would know that Maye had a new OC in 2023 along with a very inexperienced receiving core which explains why 23 looked different they 22
And why would John and Chris Mara go pitter patter for Maye?
Oh that right because he is white….
Wonder how Jerry Reese felt about your alleged bull shit about Mara’s philosophy on only drafting QB’s based on race….must have been an interesting conversation with JR
What’s next? Posting your usual stats without context BS?
I think we'll be making similar jokes next year about needing a 6th or even 7th year to be sure. Can we be sure about what Tom Brady was after only 23 years in the league? I'm not sure.
I'm not trying to kill Maye based on a week of camp. My concerns with him were based on 2023. I watched a ton of him because you knew if any of the QBs were going to make John and Chris Mara go pitter patter it was going to be Maye.
I just didn't see it. I certainly didn't see enough to value him SO much higher than the 3 guys that went after him. They were willing to trade up for Maye, but I'd bet money they wouldn't have taken any of Penix, McCarthy, or Nix if they'd been there for them in round 2.
For the Giants it was Maye or nothing - what the hell kind of strategy is that???
I think your last line is more than fair.
But I was a Maye advocate leading into the draft. So, I am found of his talent and would have been pleased to have him replace Jones.
He's got his work cut out for him in New England because the cupboard looks very bare right now.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
The Giants didn't think highly enough of Milton to draft him in the first 5 rounds. I doubt their opinion has changed much, given that teams haven't even played an exhibition game yet.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
The Giants didn't think highly enough of Milton to draft him in the first 5 rounds. I doubt their opinion has changed much, given that teams haven't even played an exhibition game yet.
Certainly didn't necessarily mean right this second.
As we can all remember too, Milton was flagged on yellow on the Giants board, the only player with that flag.
Maybe tagged him for a position switch? (TE) Would love the answer to what that color represented.
Every scouting report seemed to emphasize his size and compare him to Josh Allen. Then you'd watch him play and feel like this...
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
He overthrew Wan'Dale deep on a busted coverage.
He's never had a rocket, but his arm has been above average. His issue is he is misfiring. We see him nail some of these throws, but the consistency isn't there.
As always, time will tell.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
His willingness?
I think that’s the media world we are in, always mixed signals. One day I hear JJ McCarthy is doing terrible, the next day he throws 4 TD’s in practice.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
His willingness?
Yeah, he doesn't throw the rock down the field. I don't know if JJ/Garrett coached it out of him, he's damaged goods from being hit so often that he gets rid of the ball STAT, or whatever.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Eric, how can you throw deep when you are on your back?
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Eric, how can you throw deep when you are on your back?
Somehow TT & DeVito threw deep.
Admittedly, finding the "good Giants 2023 offense line" might be a fool's errand, but Jones likely had more than his share of the crappiest OL during the season.
How much that had to do with the later in the season less terrible OL, the play calling, the maturing of the WRs corps etc. is hard to say.
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say he was hearing good things about Maye?
I think that’s the media world we are in, always mixed signals. One day I hear JJ McCarthy is doing terrible, the next day he throws 4 TD’s in practice.
People lean too far into training camp stats. We never really know what the team is trying to do, or test. It's trial and error.
The 49ers Brock Purdy tossed 4 INT's in 5 passes.Lamar and Josh Allen have been mentioned as throwing the most picks so far in camp. It means nothing.
Who's to say someone like Bryce Young doesn't become available after this season? Could Drake Maye be available via trade a year from now? How does next years QB crop look?
There are a lot of moving parts to acquiring a QB. I'd keep an eye on young, cost controlled QBs who haven't hit.
Do the Pats even have anyone to develop Maye?
Jordan Love was on track to be a bust, now he's the highest paid QB in NFL history. Things change fast.
Mr. Maze and Blue has spoken...
If true, & he looks good Week 1 & Vikes win/while Jones looks meh...
Oh boy.
Who's to say someone like Bryce Young doesn't become available after this season? Could Drake Maye be available via trade a year from now? How does next years QB crop look?
There are a lot of moving parts to acquiring a QB. I'd keep an eye on young, cost controlled QBs who haven't hit.
Do the Pats even have anyone to develop Maye?
Jordan Love was on track to be a bust, now he's the highest paid QB in NFL history. Things change fast.
It would have been interesting if, for example, the Giants had acquired Sam Howell.
And apparently Malik Willis is having a great camp...😁
But again, if the methodology is "full bloom love" then this isn't the route the Giants are likely to take.
It could get really ugly really fast this fall if he doesn't play well.
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He may start week 1.
Mr. Maze and Blue has spoken...
We need an edit function before Dunk gets on your ass.
I know no one is rooting for him to fail more than you. There isn’t an egg big enough in this world to cover your face for it.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Eric, how can you throw deep when you are on your back?
I made my views pretty clear on this in the podcast. We're not talking about a single season here.
And TT badly underthrew all but one deep ball he threw. If you are going to use examples, use ones that are valid. The last one to Slayton(it was a beauty) was the only one he threw that hit a WR in stride. The rest(mostly to Hyatt) were 2 to 3 yards short.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Eric, how can you throw deep when you are on your back?
Well if you process information quickly and make good decisions, maybe you don't wind up on your back to begin with.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Eric, how can you throw deep when you are on your back?
Well if you process information quickly and make good decisions, maybe you don't wind up on your back to begin with.
Jones is not good passing the football and he has an average arm. Somehow this myth developed that he was a great long passer. Total bullshit. He's winding up all he can to get the ball 50-55 yards down field. Lock flicks his wrist and the ball goes 30 yards and Lock is not a great qb. You guys have been watching shit for so long that you all forgot what a great passer looks like.
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Oh, it wasn't. But it wasn't great shakes either. And both TT & DeVito were able to sling it downfield.
And TT badly underthrew all but one deep ball he threw. If you are going to use examples, use ones that are valid. The last one to Slayton(it was a beauty) was the only one he threw that hit a WR in stride. The rest(mostly to Hyatt) were 2 to 3 yards short.
It could get really ugly really fast this fall if he doesn't play well.
I completely agree with this. The first two games are so important. If they start 0-2 and then the tough stretch of games to follow and everything gets very ugly. And then add Barkley playing well in Philly. Yikes.
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Oh, it wasn't. But it wasn't great shakes either. And both TT & DeVito were able to sling it downfield.
And TT badly underthrew all but one deep ball he threw. If you are going to use examples, use ones that are valid. The last one to Slayton(it was a beauty) was the only one he threw that hit a WR in stride. The rest(mostly to Hyatt) were 2 to 3 yards short.
Look at Slayton's stats with Danny Checkdown v. Slayton with Taylor and Devito. You would think it is a totally different receiver.
Yeah, that's great, but has nothing to do with the question. That Jones is underthrowing a lot of his passes in camp is the premise and that his arm is not strong is the answer. In fact, Tyrod Taylor underthrew Hyatt and Slayton several times last year(except one). I give them full credit for making the throws that Jones wouldn't or didn't. They took the shot and completed a few - unfortunately they could have been TDs had they been thrown deeper. I don't remember DeVito underthrowing, but Taylor did on the majority of his deep throws.
What we want from Jones is to take the shots TT and DeVito did take. The more he throws in camp, the better his timing and accuracy will be on those deep chances. He needs to develop the timing with Nabers and Hyatt and get familiar with their speed.
IMHO, if he doesn't start getting some connection with his WRs, Daboll will sit his ass. Schoen and he didn't pick Nabers, Hyatt and Wan'Dale so Jones could throw flats passes to them.
We need an edit function before Dunk gets on your ass.
I know no one is rooting for him to fail more than you. There isn’t an egg big enough in this world to cover your face for it.
LOL - Maize.
Let's be fair. Despite not being on the JJ Mac hype-train, I said I was more than comfortable taking him to replace Jones.
We screwed up.
We screwed up.
I still can't believe Harbaugh didn't draft JJ over Alt at #5.
Herbert is great, but he's no JJ McCarthy...
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
He overthrew Wan'Dale deep on a busted coverage.
He's never had a rocket, but his arm has been above average. His issue is he is misfiring. We see him nail some of these throws, but the consistency isn't there.
This exactly. Always been accurate with decent arm. Could never ask him to make those throws that require a true rope. I think in camp they had him roll right and throw across his body to the left to Nabers. I don't ever expect him to be good in that situation. He can throw deep, but usually with air, not line drive. The problem is still the same. Bad reads. Either because of inability to process, or inability to pull the trigger, just can't seem to get the ball to the right place after the first read is covered. I still think playing behind a crap OL for 5 years is the problem, but it doesn't really matter why, anymore. It might get fixed. But it seems really unlikely.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
On Hard Knocks he was labeled yellow on their board. Most have taken to mean they think he should to switch positions. They thought so little of his tape at QB, they see him as a TE.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
Historically I'd agree but this camp he's been under throwing guys from the clips I've seen.
He overthrew Wan'Dale deep on a busted coverage.
He's never had a rocket, but his arm has been above average. His issue is he is misfiring. We see him nail some of these throws, but the consistency isn't there.
Just fwiw:
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OC Mike Kafka looks at the underthrown deep balls from Daniel Jones this summer as “part of practicing.” He doesn’t think it’s physical. Believes it’s more learning the wide receivers, working on timing and gaining familiarity,
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LOL. LOL. LOL.
Such a good point. When you have a +/++ arm you can away with faulty mechanics, a pocket that's not ideal, and, if you can move, a better chance to execute plays on the move.
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust.
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Nobody denies the OL has sucked for years. But, there is also too much evidence of bad reads consistently with him. This includes pre-snap reads, like identifying the coverage, blitzes, hot reads, etc. It also includes going through progressions. Jones' processing leaves a lot to be desired.
For me, the excuses are over. They still don't have a great OL. But, they landed 2 good OGs and depth. On top of that, they added a true #1 WR and an athletic TE, to go along with a decent and reliable RB. Depth at RB will be a factor. But, there should be enough in place for this offense to look at least serviceable. A good to better QB should produce, in my opinion.
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seems like the best way to pair Nabers and Hyatt is with someone with a big arm.
Trying to trade for Milton isn't the most insane idea.
Arm strength isn't Jones' issue.
It's willingness and accuracy.
His willingness?
Yes, his willingness.
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"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
JFC, can we wait until the guy gets at least five years? Then that will give us a better idea when he heads into that critical sixth season.
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"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
JFC, can we wait until the guy gets at least five years? Then that will give us a better idea when he heads into that critical sixth season.
I think we'll be making similar jokes next year about needing a 6th or even 7th year to be sure. Can we be sure about what Tom Brady was after only 23 years in the league? I'm not sure.
I'm not trying to kill Maye based on a week of camp. My concerns with him were based on 2023. I watched a ton of him because you knew if any of the QBs were going to make John and Chris Mara go pitter patter it was going to be Maye.
I just didn't see it. I certainly didn't see enough to value him SO much higher than the 3 guys that went after him. They were willing to trade up for Maye, but I'd bet money they wouldn't have taken any of Penix, McCarthy, or Nix if they'd been there for them in round 2.
For the Giants it was Maye or nothing - what the hell kind of strategy is that???
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"I watched Drake Maye in college," Holley explained, as shared by Sean Savage of the New York Post. "I loved him in college. You guys know that. He was a tremendous college player. At times in North Carolina, people compared him to Justin Herbert, I said, 'I can see that.' People compared him to Josh Allen. I can see that at North Carolina. Today, in Foxborough, you know who I saw? The ghost of Mac Jones. I saw the ghost of Mac Jones."
This is the guy our front office wanted to trade up for. I didn't understand the love for this guy (over the three drafted after him) in the lead up to the draft, and I don't understand it now. Of the six first rounders I still think Maye is most likely to bust. Link - ( New Window )
JFC, can we wait until the guy gets at least five years? Then that will give us a better idea when he heads into that critical sixth season.
I think we'll be making similar jokes next year about needing a 6th or even 7th year to be sure. Can we be sure about what Tom Brady was after only 23 years in the league? I'm not sure.
I'm not trying to kill Maye based on a week of camp. My concerns with him were based on 2023. I watched a ton of him because you knew if any of the QBs were going to make John and Chris Mara go pitter patter it was going to be Maye.
I just didn't see it. I certainly didn't see enough to value him SO much higher than the 3 guys that went after him. They were willing to trade up for Maye, but I'd bet money they wouldn't have taken any of Penix, McCarthy, or Nix if they'd been there for them in round 2.
For the Giants it was Maye or nothing - what the hell kind of strategy is that???
One would think that message board GM who is the end all be all on QB evaluations would know that Maye had a new OC in 2023 along with a very inexperienced receiving core which explains why 23 looked different they 22
And why would John and Chris Mara go pitter patter for Maye?
Oh that right because he is white….
Wonder how Jerry Reese felt about your alleged bull shit about Mara’s philosophy on only drafting QB’s based on race….must have been an interesting conversation with JR
What’s next? Posting your usual stats without context BS?
I think we'll be making similar jokes next year about needing a 6th or even 7th year to be sure. Can we be sure about what Tom Brady was after only 23 years in the league? I'm not sure.
I'm not trying to kill Maye based on a week of camp. My concerns with him were based on 2023. I watched a ton of him because you knew if any of the QBs were going to make John and Chris Mara go pitter patter it was going to be Maye.
I just didn't see it. I certainly didn't see enough to value him SO much higher than the 3 guys that went after him. They were willing to trade up for Maye, but I'd bet money they wouldn't have taken any of Penix, McCarthy, or Nix if they'd been there for them in round 2.
For the Giants it was Maye or nothing - what the hell kind of strategy is that???
I think your last line is more than fair.
But I was a Maye advocate leading into the draft. So, I am found of his talent and would have been pleased to have him replace Jones.
He's got his work cut out for him in New England because the cupboard looks very bare right now.
It's Daniel Jones's sixth NFL season. Can we stop pretending that he's "early" in his career? This should be his prime.
This. His prime.
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Eli's early practices were far from stellar
It's Daniel Jones's sixth NFL season. Can we stop pretending that he's "early" in his career? This should be his prime.
This. His prime.
Don't worry. Johnny Mara will still be giving Jones excuses in 2032.
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Eli's early practices were far from stellar
It's Daniel Jones's sixth NFL season. Can we stop pretending that he's "early" in his career? This should be his prime.
This. His prime.
He’s most likely referring to Maye’s struggles since the thread is about him.