Thursday, August 1, 2024
Special Teams Coordinator Michael Ghobrial – Approx. 9:15 a.m.
Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen – 9:25 a.m.
Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka – 9:35 a.m.
Practice – 10:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
Players Available – Approx. 12:10 p.m.
Also it is a new defense, so there still may be communication breakdowns between CBs and safeties.
Finally, you got something right! ;)
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Also it is a new defense, so there still may be communication breakdowns between CBs and safeties.
Finally, you got something right! ;)
I am trying Dad.
The more shit I throw against the wall, the better chance something will stick!
This is too complex for the single minded amoebas we have on this board.
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That is exactly what I was talking about on the Podcast. That was a horrible throw by Jones. Tracy has to turn around to get it, making all momentum come to a stop.
That was my first thought too. Those throws need to be in front so they get YAC, not behind where the defender can stop them right away
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Notes from today's Giants practice:
• Veteran offensive lineman Greg Van Roten, who was signed on Tuesday, was thrown right into the mix. Van Roten has mostly been a guard during his career, but he has some experience at center. With John Michael Schmitz sitting out his fourth straight practice, Van Roten was inserted as the starting center.
The 34-year-old is still working into football shape, so he only took the first two reps of team periods before being replaced by Austin Schlottman. Van Roten didn't participate in the final team period of practice, which was an up-tempo move-the-ball period.
Expect Van Roten to settle in at right guard when Schmitz returns, but the Giants clearly have concerns with their backup center options based on the center reps they've given Van Roten and Jon Runyan, who worked exclusively at left guard today.
• Second-round pick Tyler Nubin returned after missing five practices with a calf injury. Nubin split reps on the second-team defense as he ramped up.
• Veteran WR Isaiah McKenzie had his most active practice of camp. He got reps with the first-team offense in 4-WR sets with Darius Slayton's workload reduced. McKenzie caught one pass from Daniel Jones and three passes from Drew Lock.
• The Giants continue to experiment with a ton of different personnel groupings. Running backs Devin Singletary and Tyrone Tracy were on the field together for a few plays today.
• Rookie RB Dante Miller got some first-team reps today. He dropped passes from Jones and Tommy DeVito.
• With this being a heavy second/third-and-long practice, the defense was in dime often. Dru Phillips was the slot corner with Nick McCloud at LB next to Bobby Okereke.
• Dyontae Johnson continues to take advantage of first-team reps with Micah McFadden (hamstring) still on a pitch count and Carter Coughlin (lower body) not practicing. Johnson had an interception of Jones off of an Okereke tip and a sack.
The key for Johnson to make a real push for a roster spot will be on special teams. Coughlin and Matthew Adams are established special teamers and Darius Muasau is a rookie draft pick.
• Kayvon Thibodeaux beat Andrew Thomas twice today. He may have had a sack on the deep TD pass to Malik Nabers and he definitely would have had a sack later in practice. Thibodeaux got in the backfield so quickly on the second play that I had to confirm that it was actually Thomas at LT.
• The Giants practiced full-team kickoff returns for the first time during camp. McKenzie and Gunner Olszewski were the first pair back. They were followed by Miller/Tyrone Tracy and Jacob Saylors/Ayir Asante.
His favorite player of all-time missing action and his least-favorite player of all-time looking good.
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What y’all been waiting for! Daniel Jones to Malik Nabers for the score! #NYGiants https://x.com/BBlueintheBronx/status/1819028617994613234 - ( New Window )
That ball should quiet the arm strength may layers. He looks like he threw that from the left hash mark to the right sideline of the end zone from 50 plus yards out.
That's not arm strength. All NFL QBs can throw lofted deep balls.
Arm strength is being able to throw lasers into tight windows in the 10–30-yard range, especially outside the hashes.
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That is exactly what I was talking about on the Podcast. That was a horrible throw by Jones. Tracy has to turn around to get it, making all momentum come to a stop.
Since when, in football, all passes have to be perfect. Watch games and see how many great catches are made by receivers off bad passes.
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That is exactly what I was talking about on the Podcast. That was a horrible throw by Jones. Tracy has to turn around to get it, making all momentum come to a stop.
Since when, in football, all passes have to be perfect. Watch games and see how many great catches are made by receivers off bad passes.
He does the same thing more often than not in games as well. Go rewatch every game and you’ll see at least 70% of his passes don’t allow guys any opportunity to run after the catch.
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Daniel Jones to Tyrone Tracy Jr https://x.com/TheGiantTakePod/status/1819033811671187772 - ( New Window )
That is exactly what I was talking about on the Podcast. That was a horrible throw by Jones. Tracy has to turn around to get it, making all momentum come to a stop.
Since when, in football, all passes have to be perfect. Watch games and see how many great catches are made by receivers off bad passes.
He does the same thing more often than not in games as well. Go rewatch every game and you’ll see at least 70% of his passes don’t allow guys any opportunity to run after the catch.
Regretfully, you are spot on…..DJ is not proficient at leading receivers….it is a skill to anticipate where the runner will be when you throw it ahead of him….some have it, some don’t…..i think DJ is in that latter camp….sorry to say too
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Daniel Jones to Tyrone Tracy Jr https://x.com/TheGiantTakePod/status/1819033811671187772 - ( New Window )
That is exactly what I was talking about on the Podcast. That was a horrible throw by Jones. Tracy has to turn around to get it, making all momentum come to a stop.
Since when, in football, all passes have to be perfect. Watch games and see how many great catches are made by receivers off bad passes.
He does the same thing more often than not in games as well. Go rewatch every game and you’ll see at least 70% of his passes don’t allow guys any opportunity to run after the catch.
You're fucking comical.
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Daniel Jones to Tyrone Tracy Jr https://x.com/TheGiantTakePod/status/1819033811671187772 - ( New Window )
That is exactly what I was talking about on the Podcast. That was a horrible throw by Jones. Tracy has to turn around to get it, making all momentum come to a stop.
Since when, in football, all passes have to be perfect. Watch games and see how many great catches are made by receivers off bad passes.
wait what? Is that your response to a QB constantly throwing crossing passes behind the receiver? Wow, ok then.
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Actually, Dan on BigBlueBanter, who is most certainly not a Jones apologist, brought this point up. With Jones' injuries and to a lesser extent WanDale's, How much actual game time has Jones' had with the top 3 receivers? It's not as much as you would expect from a starting QB.
Aaron Rodgers seems to have no problem completing passes to Garret Wilson.
You've been following along the daily Jets camp reports on Jets fans' websites?
I’ve been to each teams camp twice
In the undying words of Derrick Coleman, wooopdy damn doo...
Fully expect that with with a great secondary, Detroit has top-tier skill players.
That's not arm strength. All NFL QBs can throw lofted deep balls.
Arm strength is being able to throw lasers into tight windows in the 10–30-yard range, especially outside the hashes.
Jesus Christ, I feel like Tony Soprano listening to Paulie Walnuts bitching about his shoe laces getting wet in the men's restroom. This, while Jones is clearly having himself a day today. I can't even...
This has nothing to do with the day Jones had.
It's about people confusing a long pass with arm strength/talent.
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That's not arm strength. All NFL QBs can throw lofted deep balls.
Arm strength is being able to throw lasers into tight windows in the 10–30-yard range, especially outside the hashes.
Jesus Christ, I feel like Tony Soprano listening to Paulie Walnuts bitching about his shoe laces getting wet in the men's restroom. This, while Jones is clearly having himself a day today. I can't even...
This has nothing to do with the day Jones had.
It's about people confusing a long pass with arm strength/talent.
Imagine being impressed by that throw to Hyatt. The bar for this guy is at the planet's core.
Ruined by me or the people following me around and complaining about me?
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With 1 player that every thread you participate is ruined?
Ruined by me or the people following me around and complaining about me?
By you.
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With 1 player that every thread you participate is ruined?
Ruined by me or the people following me around and complaining about me?
I don't think people are following you around. That isn't how the site works unless someone is clicking on your handle to specifically do that. And it isn't just you. There are a handful that are doing this. We get the point but a lot of threads like this get destroyed when we just want to find out information, not opinions. There are a lot of opinion threads. One like this is about what happened at practice. I don't think you destroyed this thread but it is the same dead horse getting beat. There is nothing that is going to change this year with our group of QBs. Harping on it isn't going to change anything.
I think the word you are looking for is fascinated
I am fascinated how many people are impressed with some of these throws Jones is making.
If you want to be impressed, watch this...
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With 1 player that every thread you participate is ruined?
I think the word you are looking for is fascinated
I am fascinated how many people are impressed with some of these throws Jones is making.
If you want to be impressed, watch this...
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More like flabbergasted that he actually got the ball downfield and it was caught by the same colored jersey...
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With 1 player that every thread you participate is ruined?
I think the word you are looking for is fascinated
I am fascinated how many people are impressed with some of these throws Jones is making.
If you want to be impressed, watch this...
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Our GM implied that guy wouldn't have been able to do anything here last year behind our offensive line.
That's a line which, by the way, he put together and he did not add to in the 2024 draft.
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Actually, Dan on BigBlueBanter, who is most certainly not a Jones apologist, brought this point up. With Jones' injuries and to a lesser extent WanDale's, How much actual game time has Jones' had with the top 3 receivers? It's not as much as you would expect from a starting QB.
Aaron Rodgers seems to have no problem completing passes to Garret Wilson.
You've been following along the daily Jets camp reports on Jets fans' websites?
I’ve been to each teams camp twice
In the undying words of Derrick Coleman, wooopdy damn doo...
He asked a question. How about fuck off?
He does the same thing more often than not in games as well. Go rewatch every game and you’ll see at least 70% of his passes don’t allow guys any opportunity to run after the catch.
You're fucking comical.
I guess it’s funny that it’s true.
He doesn’t lead receivers especially over the middle. Not sure how that’s even up for debate.
His favorite player of all-time missing action and his least-favorite player of all-time looking good.
I refuse to believe this really happened. This is clearly some deep fake BS put out there for who knows why.
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With 1 player that every thread you participate is ruined?
I think the word you are looking for is fascinated
I am fascinated how many people are impressed with some of these throws Jones is making.
If you want to be impressed, watch this...
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Our GM implied that guy wouldn't have been able to do anything here last year behind our offensive line.
That's a line which, by the way, he put together and he did not add to in the 2024 draft.
Yep he did. I suppose he put together the injuries to all five starters for a large part of the season, too, while he was at it.
Now, over all, it was a truly poor line. Add to that all the injuries and you get a disaster - which truly happened. 85 sacks don't happen by mistake.
But the questions for you is, whether or not this current line is better than last years line(sans draft pick). On paper it is noticeably better. Do you think a draft pick was going to do better than the FAs they signed?
You need to chose which position you would have taken(clearly you would have taken Penix) so QB is position 1. When did you plan on upgrading CB, Safety and WR? After OG/OT or later if at all?
Seeing as how Sy'56 had Evan Neal and Joe Alt rated the same(at 87) how do we know Alt isn't another Evan Neal?
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That ball should quiet the arm strength may layers. He looks like he threw that from the left hash mark to the right sideline of the end zone from 50 plus yards out.
Jones’ arm strength isn’t being questioned, it’s his long range accuracy. And that TD pass to Malik was short. Watch the video again. Jones was lucky Flott was beat badly.
Could be and he does seem a fraction late on some throws. However as a QB you NEVER want to overthrow a wide open receiver. A ball that is slightly underthrown can be caught or get a PI. An overthrow will bever be caught. Overthrow is acceptable with tight coverage.
A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
Overthrown cannot be caught, so a waste of time. Underthrown can be caught but also defended or INT'd. I think a slight underthrow is better. At least your guy has a chance to make the catch.
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With 1 player that every thread you participate is ruined?
I think the word you are looking for is fascinated
I am fascinated how many people are impressed with some of these throws Jones is making.
If you want to be impressed, watch this...
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Impressed? That throw had a shitload of air under it and looks like Worthy spent some time lallygagging around until the fukker came down.
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A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
Overthrown cannot be caught, so a waste of time. Underthrown can be caught but also defended or INT'd. I think a slight underthrow is better. At least your guy has a chance to make the catch.
And overthrow can’t be intercepted. A slight underthrow can be. If anything a slight overthrow is the ideal miss because a WR can still try to get under it. Why would anyone prefer a throw the defense has a chance to make a play on?
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Coming from? What has a better chance of getting intercepted:
A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
Overthrown cannot be caught, so a waste of time. Underthrown can be caught but also defended or INT'd. I think a slight underthrow is better. At least your guy has a chance to make the catch.
And overthrow can’t be intercepted. A slight underthrow can be. If anything a slight overthrow is the ideal miss because a WR can still try to get under it. Why would anyone prefer a throw the defense has a chance to make a play on?
Well, that isn't true all the time. If it is cover 2 and you overthrow the WR, you can be getting picked by the safety. Every situation is different. Yes, there are times that you don't want to overthrow the WR and give that player a chance. I played CB and S. The two hardest routes for me to cover were the underthrown fade ball and a dig route. If a fade is underthrown then it often times leads to pass interference. That is in man coverage with no safety help, so yes teams are taught to do that over overthrowing. If it is cover 2 and a safety is over the top, you are throwing to the spot between the CB and S. It is the WRs job to be there and make the play.
With all of that said, I agree that Jones has been off on a lot of throws we have seen this camp. I just find it funny that the passes he is completing deep are the ones getting picked on instead of the one to Tracy today. That was really bad.
Do yourself a favor and bow out. The Jones hate obsession has incredible stamina. They are the irresistible force.
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Coming from? What has a better chance of getting intercepted:
A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
Overthrown cannot be caught, so a waste of time. Underthrown can be caught but also defended or INT'd. I think a slight underthrow is better. At least your guy has a chance to make the catch.
And overthrow can’t be intercepted. A slight underthrow can be. If anything a slight overthrow is the ideal miss because a WR can still try to get under it. Why would anyone prefer a throw the defense has a chance to make a play on?
Well, that isn't true all the time. If it is cover 2 and you overthrow the WR, you can be getting picked by the safety. Every situation is different. Yes, there are times that you don't want to overthrow the WR and give that player a chance. I played CB and S. The two hardest routes for me to cover were the underthrown fade ball and a dig route. If a fade is underthrown then it often times leads to pass interference. That is in man coverage with no safety help, so yes teams are taught to do that over overthrowing. If it is cover 2 and a safety is over the top, you are throwing to the spot between the CB and S. It is the WRs job to be there and make the play.
With all of that said, I agree that Jones has been off on a lot of throws we have seen this camp. I just find it funny that the passes he is completing deep are the ones getting picked on instead of the one to Tracy today. That was really bad.
The throws in discussion nobody was behind Nabers and there was no safety
I would sign up for a questionable OL at this point.
Impressed? That throw had a shitload of air under it and looks like Worthy spent some time lallygagging around until the fukker came down.
Let me make sure I have this correct.
So, Mahomes racing to his left and throwing back across his body - and the field - with a flick of the wrist for a 60-yard strike doesn't impress you?
Forgive me, but you really sound clueless here...
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Coming from? What has a better chance of getting intercepted:
A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
Overthrown cannot be caught, so a waste of time. Underthrown can be caught but also defended or INT'd. I think a slight underthrow is better. At least your guy has a chance to make the catch.
And overthrow can’t be intercepted. A slight underthrow can be. If anything a slight overthrow is the ideal miss because a WR can still try to get under it. Why would anyone prefer a throw the defense has a chance to make a play on?
Well, that isn't true all the time. If it is cover 2 and you overthrow the WR, you can be getting picked by the safety. Every situation is different. Yes, there are times that you don't want to overthrow the WR and give that player a chance. I played CB and S. The two hardest routes for me to cover were the underthrown fade ball and a dig route. If a fade is underthrown then it often times leads to pass interference. That is in man coverage with no safety help, so yes teams are taught to do that over overthrowing. If it is cover 2 and a safety is over the top, you are throwing to the spot between the CB and S. It is the WRs job to be there and make the play.
With all of that said, I agree that Jones has been off on a lot of throws we have seen this camp. I just find it funny that the passes he is completing deep are the ones getting picked on instead of the one to Tracy today. That was really bad.
The throws in discussion nobody was behind Nabers and there was no safety
I get that but you were talking in generalities asking where this is coming from and then said overthrows can't be intercepted. You weren't talking specifically about these throws today.
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Coming from? What has a better chance of getting intercepted:
A throw that over throws a WR with 4 steps on the DB or one that is underthrown?
Overthrown cannot be caught, so a waste of time. Underthrown can be caught but also defended or INT'd. I think a slight underthrow is better. At least your guy has a chance to make the catch.
And overthrow can’t be intercepted. A slight underthrow can be. If anything a slight overthrow is the ideal miss because a WR can still try to get under it. Why would anyone prefer a throw the defense has a chance to make a play on?
Well, that isn't true all the time. If it is cover 2 and you overthrow the WR, you can be getting picked by the safety. Every situation is different. Yes, there are times that you don't want to overthrow the WR and give that player a chance. I played CB and S. The two hardest routes for me to cover were the underthrown fade ball and a dig route. If a fade is underthrown then it often times leads to pass interference. That is in man coverage with no safety help, so yes teams are taught to do that over overthrowing. If it is cover 2 and a safety is over the top, you are throwing to the spot between the CB and S. It is the WRs job to be there and make the play.
With all of that said, I agree that Jones has been off on a lot of throws we have seen this camp. I just find it funny that the passes he is completing deep are the ones getting picked on instead of the one to Tracy today. That was really bad.
robbie we are not talking about crossing routes and digs. We are talking about deep balls. The discussion is about the pass to Hyatt that was slightly underthrown and the others that Jones threw during the past week.
You are correct that an overthrow on routes underneath can be intercepted by the coverage behind those routes if over thrown. But that is not what was being discussed.
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Impressed? That throw had a shitload of air under it and looks like Worthy spent some time lallygagging around until the fukker came down.
Let me make sure I have this correct.
So, Mahomes racing to his left and throwing back across his body - and the field - with a flick of the wrist for a 60-yard strike doesn't impress you?
Forgive me, but you really sound clueless here...
Pfffftttttt. Threw it as high and far as he could. Whoopdedo. That's training camp hoopla.
And by the way, it was a full arm throw (not a flick of the wrist) and he wasn't 'racing' to his left when he released it.
Yup. It's all lining up...