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Dabs expects Gronk like Production from Theo Johnson

KingBlue : 8/1/2024 9:44 am
The Penn State product has the size and speed to be a steal, which is what the Giants’ front office saw in him before selecting him.

Head coach Brian Daboll has made it clear to Johnson that he is expecting Rob Gronkowski-level production from his new tight end.

“There’s countless times where we’ll be in the middle of a meeting and he’ll be like, ‘Theo, Dabs wants to see you,'” Johnson told Art Stapleton of NorthJersey.com. “Pulls me out of the meeting and I’m like, ‘What could this possibly be about?’

“And then he’s got up a clip of Gronk just running somebody over, catching a back shoulder, and he’s like, ‘This is what we expect from you.’ I can tell he puts a lot of intentional eye into the tight end position … I think it goes to show how he feels about me and what he thinks I’m capable of.”
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Oh, is that all?  
George from PA : 8/1/2024 9:47 am : link
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Well...  
bw in dc : 8/1/2024 9:50 am : link
that's very high praise.

In order to do that, of course, requires the QB to do his part.

Which Gronk had...
Been reading up on TJ  
Don from CT : 8/1/2024 9:52 am : link

I like him more and more as I do some research

Big kid with an attitude/decent hands and speed

Blocking is solid

I think he may be a surprise
Nice if it  
section125 : 8/1/2024 9:54 am : link
could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....
Believe it and it will happen  
Optimus-NY : 8/1/2024 10:00 am : link
The power of positive thinking, right? He could've went down the JPP of tight ends road too instead...
RE: Nice if it  
BMac : 8/1/2024 10:03 am : link
In comment 16565726 section125 said:
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could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....


Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.
Hopefully Nabers, Johnson and Tracy  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2024 10:05 am : link
make this a special draft for the offense.
If thats  
Giantsbigblue : 8/1/2024 10:12 am : link
The case we got a steal. I'd take Gronk with the 6th overall pick and still feel like we got a steal.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 10:13 am : link
Dabs needs a new pair of shorts!
RE: Well...  
IchabodGiant : 8/1/2024 10:16 am : link
In comment 16565720 bw in dc said:
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that's very high praise.

In order to do that, of course, requires the QB to do his part.

Which Gronk had...


Hey! Let's turn this into a DJ thread! That sounds fun!
We haven’t had an elite talent at TE  
UConn4523 : 8/1/2024 10:19 am : link
since pre injury Shockey, and that was almost 20 years ago. It’s an extremely difficult position to play at an elite level - something we haven’t had anyone be able to do even with Eli save for a year or two. Would be nice to get a player like that after all this time.
Short Theo interview  
Ira : 8/1/2024 10:20 am : link
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That’s the problem with Daboll  
M.S. : 8/1/2024 10:20 am : link

He expects way too little from his rookies.
RE: RE: Nice if it  
SirLoinOfBeef : 8/1/2024 10:24 am : link
In comment 16565745 BMac said:
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In comment 16565726 section125 said:


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could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....



Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.


Bavaro Was great.

Gronkowski is a HOFer. First ballot.



RE: RE: Nice if it  
Mike from Ohio : 8/1/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16565745 BMac said:
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In comment 16565726 section125 said:


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could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....



Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.


Different games and different eras. Bavaro was perfect for his time and how TEs were used. I love Bavaro but if you told me Theo Johnson could become the next Bavaro or the next Gronk, I would take the next Gronk. It is just s different game now.
Bavaro would be in the HOF too with a healthy knee  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2024 10:26 am : link
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RE: Well...  
djm : 8/1/2024 10:28 am : link
In comment 16565720 bw in dc said:
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that's very high praise.

In order to do that, of course, requires the QB to do his part.

Which Gronk had...


Fresh take.

Never has a TE produced good numbers with a mere mortal QB throwing the ball. Never.
RE: Bavaro would be in the HOF too with a healthy knee  
M.S. : 8/1/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16565782 Greg from LI said:
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Vencie Glenn
Why set the bar so low Coach?  
Section331 : 8/1/2024 10:41 am : link
I loved the Theo pick, but it might be a little early to be making comps to one of the best TE’s to ever lace them up.
Any player in the NFL  
Blueworm : 8/1/2024 11:18 am : link
Not trying to be the best at his position will be replaced shortly.

This is predigested mush.
RE: RE: Nice if it  
bw in dc : 8/1/2024 11:21 am : link
In comment 16565745 BMac said:
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Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.


Where? I love Bavaro but what could he do that Gronk didn't?

Bavaro was 6'4", 245. Gronk was bigger 6'6", 260+. Gronk was basically another RT for the Pats and Scarnecchia.
Gronk's mindset  
Sy'56 : 8/1/2024 11:24 am : link
is what made him different. He was absolute pitbull on the field with no fear, no hestiation - and a sense of bully-ball oozed out of him at all times. One of the toughest players of all time and it showed up as a pass catcher, ball carrier, and blocker.

We will see. if Theo has that mindset.
RE: Gronk's mindset  
Blueworm : 8/1/2024 11:26 am : link
In comment 16565881 Sy'56 said:
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is what made him different. He was absolute pitbull on the field with no fear, no hestiation - and a sense of bully-ball oozed out of him at all times. One of the toughest players of all time and it showed up as a pass catcher, ball carrier, and blocker.

We will see. if Theo has that mindset.


Bully ball-there's a term I haven't heard since coaching HS ball -where sometimes you are bullied, and sometimes you are the bully.
I'd rather have Theo catch the ball, avoid contact, and get YAC.  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 8/1/2024 11:30 am : link
His career will be short trying to run people over.
RE: RE: Nice if it  
Johnny5 : 8/1/2024 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16565745 BMac said:
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In comment 16565726 section125 said:


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could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....



Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.

I know as Giants fans our first tendency is to say this, but realistically it's not true. Both are great, both were great for their era. Gronk was absolutely not in any way a lesser player than Bavaro. And I say this with Bavaro absolutely in the discussion as my favorite Giant ever.
During Gronks  
Giantsbigblue : 8/1/2024 12:08 pm : link
Peak, there was not a single non quarterback
offensive player I would trade him for. Vacuum for hands and could block like an extra lineman. Having that guy with that size and attitude going over the middle was next level.
Dabs expects Gronk like Production from Theo Johnson  
David B. : 8/1/2024 12:11 pm : link
You mean, he'll be the "Gronk of TEs"?


Feels  
Toth029 : 8/1/2024 1:02 pm : link
More like he wants his play style and tenacity from him. Which we'll see.
RE: RE: RE: Nice if it  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2024 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16565876 bw in dc said:
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Gronk was basically another RT for the Pats and Scarnecchia.


So was Bavaro. He sometimes blocked DEs one on one. I know you know that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Nice if it  
Matt M. : 8/1/2024 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16566031 Greg from LI said:
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Gronk was basically another RT for the Pats and Scarnecchia.



So was Bavaro. He sometimes blocked DEs one on one. I know you know that.
Beat me to it. Yes, different eras and different games, especially at the TE position. But, I see a lot of similarities between Bavaro and Gronk. My take has always been with a healthy knee, Bavaro is easily in the HOF. I consider him one of the top 5 TEs in my lifetime.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Nice if it  
bw in dc : 8/1/2024 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16566031 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16565876 bw in dc said:


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Gronk was basically another RT for the Pats and Scarnecchia.



So was Bavaro. He sometimes blocked DEs one on one. I know you know that.


Right - Bavaro was a brilliant blocker. I just wanted to underscore that same skill with Gronk.
RE: RE: RE: Nice if it  
BMac : 8/1/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16565778 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 16565745 BMac said:


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In comment 16565726 section125 said:


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could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....



Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.



Bavaro Was great.

Gronkowski is a HOFer. First ballot.




Bavaro had an injury shortened career. Given a choice between them, and considering the different eras in which they played, it's Bavaro all the way.
RE: Gronk's mindset  
BMac : 8/1/2024 1:46 pm : link
In comment 16565881 Sy'56 said:
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is what made him different. He was absolute pitbull on the field with no fear, no hestiation - and a sense of bully-ball oozed out of him at all times. One of the toughest players of all time and it showed up as a pass catcher, ball carrier, and blocker.

We will see. if Theo has that mindset.


You're right Sy. Bavaro was a comparative pussy. He had to have his jaw wired before he went back ofn the field...Gronk would have just ripped off his jaw and kept going. And I won't even mention Bavaro carrying all those 49ers! Of course Gronk was great, but my preference overall is Bavaro.
I can get over the Neal pick and the Jones extension  
Metnut : 8/1/2024 1:51 pm : link
if Schoen starts turning up some bigtime steals in day 3 of the draft.
Hopefully more Shockey than Adrien Robinson...  
TheOtherManning : 8/1/2024 2:42 pm : link
My big question, though, is if he's a giant who can run like a gazelle - why did he drop to the 4th round when the league has been going crazy over athletic TEs the past several seasons?

Everyone wants a Kelce/Kittle/LaPorta - Johnson must have some warts to his game that the hype is glossing over. However, it's possible the last decade of Giants football has left me slightly jaded...

Bavaro and Grock are polar opposites ....  
Manny in CA : 8/1/2024 2:52 pm : link

Agree, Bavaro was a HOF type but will probably never make it.
He was touchdown oriented all day, if he had to drag tacklers with him, that was OK with

Gronk was a lot more Shockey like, (both MFs). They loved hitting people, whether they were in their way or not.
If this pans out  
BH28 : 8/1/2024 3:32 pm : link
Just another example of why I don't think it's ever worth it to take a first round TE. For instance, Kyle Pitts is definitely not living up to the fourth overall pick after 3 seasons. Still has a way to go to change that. Be interesting to see how Bowers does.
First things first  
bc4life : 8/1/2024 4:28 pm : link
I want to see him develop into a solid blocker. Our TE blocking has been mediocre at best for a while now. That is exacerbated by the absence of a true FB and poor OL.
LOL... no pressure there  
D HOS : 8/1/2024 6:31 pm : link
We have some tv commercials lined up for you too, you ready?
I can’t wait to get a QB  
cjac : 8/1/2024 8:32 pm : link
We’re gonna be good if that ever happens
Bowers will be ALL PRO ....  
Manny in CA : 8/2/2024 5:57 pm : link

(I believe that Sy has also agrees); Theo is probably the better pure athlete RAS Score = 9.93, but Bowers (couldn't test because of injury is pretty close).

What makes Bowers so scarry is his, speed, if you don't control him at the L.O.S. (4.53 forty at 243), he's gone.

I am delighted to have 260 pound Theo, he has all the tools to become the next Gronk.
RE: RE: RE: Nice if it  
Ron Johnson : 8/2/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16565778 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 16565745 BMac said:


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In comment 16565726 section125 said:


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could happen.

I'd take Bavaro level....



Bavaro was better than Gronk in pretty much every way.



Bavaro Was great.

Gronkowski is a HOFer. First ballot.





BMac is right
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