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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2024 3:48 pm
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21

John Mara spoke for the first time since March after the mural unveiling at Hackensack University Medical Center. He hit on a bunch of topics, including:

• Mara wouldn’t give specific expectations for the season but said “obviously I want to show significant improvement.”

• Mara on Daniel Jones: “I’m still happy we gave him that contract.” Wants to see Jones with a better O-line and weapons.

• Mara said he was “very surprised” Bill Belichick didn’t get a HC job this offseason. Mara believes the 72-year-old can still coach at a high level.
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Oh oh... Mr. Daboll.... Mr. Bill looms large...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2024 3:49 pm : link
Charlotte Carroll
@charlottecrrll
Giants co-owner John Mara: “I want to walk off the field at the end of the season feeling like we’re moving in the right direction.” #giants
This should go over well…  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2024 3:50 pm : link
@rydunleavy
#Giants John Mara: I’m still glad we gave Daniel Jones that contract. He earned it.
Looking forward to reading all the overreactions  
UConn4523 : 8/1/2024 3:50 pm : link
and variations in interpretation.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 3:52 pm : link
I get it. Owners talk. And I know he isn’t going to publicly piss on Jones.

But his seeming endless affinity for Jones is something I want a 30 for 30 on one day.
RE: Looking forward to reading all the overreactions  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2024 4:00 pm : link
In comment 16566169 UConn4523 said:
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and variations in interpretation.


I'm not sure it is an overreaction to react to (1) I'm glad Jones got that contract. (2) I'm surprised Belichick is still out there. (3) I expect the team to be better.

He should have demurred on the first point (for obvious reasons - he should know the impression he's given off, Mr. Magoo). And if you combine points (2) and (3), there is one obvious prediction.
We are all still happy you gave him that contract too John.  
ThomasG : 8/1/2024 4:04 pm : link
How could we not be?
Imagine Belichick taking over for Daboll  
robbieballs2003 : 8/1/2024 4:05 pm : link
after Belichick gave Mara the thumbs up for Daboll and then Belichick texted Flores that Daboll got the job? I just think that would be very funny.
If you watch the clip he fills the bingo card  
Go Terps : 8/1/2024 4:07 pm : link
B - He played well in '22
I - Last year he got hurt
N - When he was playing we weren't blocking anybody
G - We got some weapons around him
O - Let's give him a chance

How can you feel confident with this guy as the CEO?
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bceagle05 : 8/1/2024 4:10 pm : link
@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”
Like father; like son  
HomerJones45 : 8/1/2024 4:11 pm : link
23 years between 1963 and 1986, so we have a few more to go.
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16566190 bceagle05 said:
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@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”


John, we aren’t fucking idiots. He’s only where he is because he’s The Nephew. Don’t insult our intelligence.
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ThomasG : 8/1/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16566190 bceagle05 said:
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@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”


Can we trade him to another team's front office for a pick?
RE: RE: Looking forward to reading all the overreactions  
Mike from Ohio : 8/1/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16566176 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16566169 UConn4523 said:


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and variations in interpretation.



I'm not sure it is an overreaction to react to (1) I'm glad Jones got that contract. (2) I'm surprised Belichick is still out there. (3) I expect the team to be better.

He should have demurred on the first point (for obvious reasons - he should know the impression he's given off, Mr. Magoo). And if you combine points (2) and (3), there is one obvious prediction.


For a person who pays such close attention to fan feelings and reactions, he has almost no media savvy at all.
Shocked that Ozzie Newsome  
bceagle05 : 8/1/2024 4:17 pm : link
hasn’t tried to poach McDonnell yet.
RE: RE: Looking forward to reading all the overreactions  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16566176 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16566169 UConn4523 said:


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and variations in interpretation.



I'm not sure it is an overreaction to react to (1) I'm glad Jones got that contract. (2) I'm surprised Belichick is still out there. (3) I expect the team to be better.

He should have demurred on the first point (for obvious reasons - he should know the impression he's given off, Mr. Magoo). And if you combine points (2) and (3), there is one obvious prediction.


Yeah. Dabs better win in 24 or BB is here to fix Jones.
At least Mara...  
bw in dc : 8/1/2024 4:20 pm : link
didn't say, "I'm still happy I gave him that contract...

In other words, he still agrees with Schoen's decision.

;)
If his nephew is such a prodigy to be in such a high up position  
Metnut : 8/1/2024 4:24 pm : link
with less experience compared to other similarly situated executives on other teams, then how come the only team he can find this position with happens to be the exact team his uncle owns?

Between this, and the front office having to constantly walk Mara through the draft and FA strategy in depth as we saw during Hard Knocks, it's seems clear that Mara is directly involved in the day to day player/football side of the business.

Teams might've been able to get away with this sort of thing 10-20 years ago, but the league is a lot smarter now and having to constantly placate someone like Mara looks like a competitive disadvantage.
RE: RE: Looking forward to reading all the overreactions  
UConn4523 : 8/1/2024 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16566176 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16566169 UConn4523 said:


Quote:


and variations in interpretation.



I'm not sure it is an overreaction to react to (1) I'm glad Jones got that contract. (2) I'm surprised Belichick is still out there. (3) I expect the team to be better.

He should have demurred on the first point (for obvious reasons - he should know the impression he's given off, Mr. Magoo). And if you combine points (2) and (3), there is one obvious prediction.


I’m sure another owner would say they are unhappy with the contract?

The Belichick comment was the most/only interesting thing he said.
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ajr2456 : 8/1/2024 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16566190 bceagle05 said:
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@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”


His “he doesn’t only have his job because he’s my nephew" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by his shirt.
Belichick looms large  
Sean : 8/1/2024 4:29 pm : link
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christian : 8/1/2024 4:30 pm : link
RE: ... skills, his work ethic and the respect ... around the league  
Trainmaster : 8/1/2024 4:32 pm : link
After the remarks about his nephew Tim McDonnell, John Mara announced the following is for sale:



RE: Belichick looms large  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16566213 Sean said:
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I’d put good $ on him being our head coach in six months or so.
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bw in dc : 8/1/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16566190 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”


That is a very defensive answer by John. I hope that didn't give him palpitations.

We need a reporter to actually check around the league to fact check this claim.
RE: If you watch the clip he fills the bingo card  
jvm52106 : 8/1/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16566185 Go Terps said:
Quote:
B - He played well in '22
I - Last year he got hurt
N - When he was playing we weren't blocking anybody
G - We got some weapons around him
O - Let's give him a chance

How can you feel confident with this guy as the CEO? Link - ( New Window )


Well no matter he says you will have the same response..
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bw in dc : 8/1/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16566209 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16566190 bceagle05 said:


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@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”



His “he doesn’t only have his job because he’s my nephew" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by his shirt.


Tim is S.T.D.

Smart. Tough. Dependable.
Mara  
GF1080 : 8/1/2024 4:38 pm : link
Do people go up to John and tell him I really respect the work your nephew is doing? How the heck would he know. Also people in other organizations would have no idea what little tim actually does for the Giants. What a crock of BS and that's not including the other comments.
 
christian : 8/1/2024 4:40 pm : link
As a fan I don't expect Mara to pretend he's not involved and I don't expect him to pretend he doesn't have an opinion.

But for a CEO who has overseen the worst team in the conference over the last 10 years, a little self awareness and a little less defensiveness would be welcome.
RE: RE: Belichick looms large  
Mike from Ohio : 8/1/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16566219 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16566213 Sean said:


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I’d put good $ on him being our head coach in six months or so.


It would be a very on-brand move for Mara. Looking backwards for answers.
This is where Mara loses all credibility  
The Mike : 8/1/2024 4:41 pm : link
Saying he is happy with Daniel's contract and continuing to excuse his horrific record of performance by blaming everybody else is just beyond ridiculous at this point. The right comment from a competent owner is "We expect Daniel to live up to the contract that was given to him. There are no more excuses this year. It is time to perform at a level commensurate with the percentage of our salary cap that he will be occupying in 2024. A level that requires him to put this team on his back, elevate the players around him and carry this team to a successful year."

Continuing to say that DJ is still on scholarship and putting all of the pressure on his teammates and the coaching staff, even referring fondly to Bill Belichick, just sucks the positive energy out of the locker room at precisely the wrong moment for this team.

Hey John - please do yourself and this franchise a favor and stop speaking to the media!
GF1080.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 4:43 pm : link
Because he thinks we’re idiots. Mara won the gene lottery pool or he’d probably be some associate attorney toiling away at some hole in the wall law firm.
RE: Hey John ... stop speaking to the media!  
Trainmaster : 8/1/2024 4:44 pm : link
^^^

This.

Seems to get more embarrassing as the years go by.

Ugh.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 4:46 pm : link
I actually don’t have a problem with him speaking to the media. Every owner does. What I have a problem with is his thinking we’re all rubes and his complete lack of awareness.
 
christian : 8/1/2024 4:47 pm : link
Mara might as well wear his Super Bowl 46 championship sweatshirt to these things.
It’s not hard to say  
ajr2456 : 8/1/2024 4:51 pm : link
He doesn’t regret the contract but we need Daniel to be better.

It’s the nonstop excuse making like Jones’ is a child that is tiresome.

Nowhere in that clip was any criticism of Jones’ play - just criticism of everyone else’s play. It has to be increasingly frustrating to be another player on the team and constantly getting thrown under the bus while one guy and one guy only gets coddled.
ajr.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 4:54 pm : link
It’s never Daniel’s fault. Don’t you know that?

Of course I expect guys like JMS and Evan Neal to get similar treatment from John, in that they’re given 6 years to finally do something of value….
RE: RE: If you watch the clip he fills the bingo card  
Go Terps : 8/1/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16566223 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 16566185 Go Terps said:


Quote:


B - He played well in '22
I - Last year he got hurt
N - When he was playing we weren't blocking anybody
G - We got some weapons around him
O - Let's give him a chance

How can you feel confident with this guy as the CEO? Link - ( New Window )



Well no matter he says you will have the same response..


I didn't give a response. He said the same things he's been saying for a couple years.

My response is he is telling us what he thinks of Jones. We should start believing him.
RE: It’s not hard to say  
Mbavaro : 8/1/2024 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16566242 ajr2456 said:
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He doesn’t regret the contract but we need Daniel to be better.

It’s the nonstop excuse making like Jones’ is a child that is tiresome.

Nowhere in that clip was any criticism of Jones’ play - just criticism of everyone else’s play. It has to be increasingly frustrating to be another player on the team and constantly getting thrown under the bus while one guy and one guy only gets coddled.



But yet he gave his blessing to trade for his replacement


I’d argue that is more important than what was said in a press conference
RE: This is where Mara loses all credibility  
bw in dc : 8/1/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16566232 The Mike said:
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Saying he is happy with Daniel's contract and continuing to excuse his horrific record of performance by blaming everybody else is just beyond ridiculous at this point. The right comment from a competent owner is "We expect Daniel to live up to the contract that was given to him. There are no more excuses this year. It is time to perform at a level commensurate with the percentage of our salary cap that he will be occupying in 2024. A level that requires him to put this team on his back, elevate the players around him and carry this team to a successful year."



He would never be that bold.

But he could say, "Look, we like Daniel and the work he's put in to get ready for this season. But it's season six and we just need to see more quality..."
bw in dc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 5:00 pm : link
He’s never even saying anything close to that. Mara loves the kid, for reasons I’ll never understand. But it’s pretty apparent every time he opens his mouth on the subject that Mara regards him with son status.
RE: If his nephew is such a prodigy to be in such a high up position  
SirLoinOfBeef : 8/1/2024 5:01 pm : link
In comment 16566203 Metnut said:
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with less experience compared to other similarly situated executives on other teams, then how come the only team he can find this position with happens to be the exact team his uncle owns?

Between this, and the front office having to constantly walk Mara through the draft and FA strategy in depth as we saw during Hard Knocks, it's seems clear that Mara is directly involved in the day to day player/football side of the business.

Teams might've been able to get away with this sort of thing 10-20 years ago, but the league is a lot smarter now and having to constantly placate someone like Mara looks like a competitive disadvantage.


Indeed.

Do you think McVey and Snead have to do this dance with the Rams owner?

I doubt it.
RE: bw in dc.  
Mbavaro : 8/1/2024 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16566253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He’s never even saying anything close to that. Mara loves the kid, for reasons I’ll never understand. But it’s pretty apparent every time he opens his mouth on the subject that Mara regards him with son status.


And yet he was ok with trading to replace him
RE: RE: This is where Mara loses all credibility  
The Mike : 8/1/2024 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16566252 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16566232 The Mike said:


Quote:


Saying he is happy with Daniel's contract and continuing to excuse his horrific record of performance by blaming everybody else is just beyond ridiculous at this point. The right comment from a competent owner is "We expect Daniel to live up to the contract that was given to him. There are no more excuses this year. It is time to perform at a level commensurate with the percentage of our salary cap that he will be occupying in 2024. A level that requires him to put this team on his back, elevate the players around him and carry this team to a successful year."





He would never be that bold.

But he could say, "Look, we like Daniel and the work he's put in to get ready for this season. But it's season six and we just need to see more quality..."


Of course, you are right. I was just projecting my inner George Steinbrenner. But the idea that he is excusing DJ by throwing his teammates and the coaches under the bus could not be more nauseating at this point.
 
christian : 8/1/2024 5:03 pm : link
What Mara really needs to say is "Everyone in this organization earns their contract each year. The results last year speak for themselves. Everyone needs to be better."
RE: RE: It’s not hard to say  
ajr2456 : 8/1/2024 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16566249 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16566242 ajr2456 said:


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He doesn’t regret the contract but we need Daniel to be better.

It’s the nonstop excuse making like Jones’ is a child that is tiresome.

Nowhere in that clip was any criticism of Jones’ play - just criticism of everyone else’s play. It has to be increasingly frustrating to be another player on the team and constantly getting thrown under the bus while one guy and one guy only gets coddled.




But yet he gave his blessing to trade for his replacement


I’d argue that is more important than what was said in a press conference


But he also said he wasn’t totally comfortable with it’s the cost. It’s more likely hes trying to seem impartial.
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Mbavaro : 8/1/2024 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16566259 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16566249 Mbavaro said:


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In comment 16566242 ajr2456 said:


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He doesn’t regret the contract but we need Daniel to be better.

It’s the nonstop excuse making like Jones’ is a child that is tiresome.

Nowhere in that clip was any criticism of Jones’ play - just criticism of everyone else’s play. It has to be increasingly frustrating to be another player on the team and constantly getting thrown under the bus while one guy and one guy only gets coddled.




But yet he gave his blessing to trade for his replacement


I’d argue that is more important than what was said in a press conference



But he also said he wasn’t totally comfortable with it’s the cost. It’s more likely hes trying to seem impartial.


Who cares if he was comfortable with the cost

Bottom line….he gave the blessing to replace him…

That is what matters

Not what he said in a press conference
RE: RE: bw in dc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16566256 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16566253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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He’s never even saying anything close to that. Mara loves the kid, for reasons I’ll never understand. But it’s pretty apparent every time he opens his mouth on the subject that Mara regards him with son status.



And yet he was ok with trading to replace him


Well, he wasn’t exactly totally gung ho about it and I’m sure Joe picked up that vibe too.

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that John really, really likes Jones.
Look  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2024 5:09 pm : link
if you combine these comments with what we saw in Hard Knocks, it's not absurd or a "conspiracy theory" to suggest that Mara has to be managed.

You saw it throughout Hard Knocks.

I just re-watched four of the first five episodes for the BBI podcast tonight. When you re-watch and turn captions on (you have to because Mara mumbles at times), it's not good. I will highlight the relevant parts tonight.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It’s not hard to say  
ajr2456 : 8/1/2024 5:09 pm : link
In comment 16566261 Mbavaro said:
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Who cares if he was comfortable with the cost

Bottom line….he gave the blessing to replace him…

That is what matters

Not what he said in a press conference


Blessing to look, it never got to a point where he had to give his ok on an actual deal, so we don’t know if he actually would have went through with it.
RE: Look  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 5:11 pm : link
In comment 16566267 Eric from BBI said:
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if you combine these comments with what we saw in Hard Knocks, it's not absurd or a "conspiracy theory" to suggest that Mara has to be managed.

You saw it throughout Hard Knocks.

I just re-watched four of the first five episodes for the BBI podcast tonight. When you re-watch and turn captions on (you have to because Mara mumbles at times), it's not good. I will highlight the relevant parts tonight.


I think Mara loves the Giants more than any person alive. I also think he’s the biggest impediment to this team winning.
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