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John Mara comments on his team

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2024 3:48 pm
Dan Duggan
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John Mara spoke for the first time since March after the mural unveiling at Hackensack University Medical Center. He hit on a bunch of topics, including:

• Mara wouldn’t give specific expectations for the season but said “obviously I want to show significant improvement.”

• Mara on Daniel Jones: “I’m still happy we gave him that contract.” Wants to see Jones with a better O-line and weapons.

• Mara said he was “very surprised” Bill Belichick didn’t get a HC job this offseason. Mara believes the 72-year-old can still coach at a high level.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 7:31 pm : link
Mara just loves Jones. Loves him. I can never recall anything like this in my life. It is beyond mystifying. And frustrating AF. HE ISN'T A GOOD QB!

What has Jones ever done to warrant such affection? Does he call John 'Mr. Mara' & that's all John needs?

If we suck this year-which I fully expect-I can't wait for another coach-probably BB-to be tasked to fixing Jones come year seven.

& if Jones never even amounts to much, I'm sure he'll be in the Giants ROH because Johnny loves him so much.
Didn't  
Giants4me : 8/1/2024 7:33 pm : link
Mara remind Schoen when discussing drafting a qb that was already paying Jones a ton?
If being an unranked high school prospect  
ajr2456 : 8/1/2024 7:57 pm : link
Everyone calling you over drafted on draft night, and defenders openly mocking you isn’t enough of a kick in the ass I don’t know what would be enough.
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DefenseWins : 8/1/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16566271 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16566267 Eric from BBI said:


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if you combine these comments with what we saw in Hard Knocks, it's not absurd or a "conspiracy theory" to suggest that Mara has to be managed.

You saw it throughout Hard Knocks.

I just re-watched four of the first five episodes for the BBI podcast tonight. When you re-watch and turn captions on (you have to because Mara mumbles at times), it's not good. I will highlight the relevant parts tonight.



I think Mara loves the Giants more than any person alive. I also think he’s the biggest impediment to this team winning.


+1 SFGF

I know we make fun of Chris Mara because he spends so much time at the race track. However, I wish he would take John with him.
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4xchamps : 8/1/2024 9:11 pm : link
In comment 16566170 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I get it. Owners talk. And I know he isn’t going to publicly piss on Jones.

But his seeming endless affinity for Jones is something I want a 30 for 30 on one day.


You answered your your own question, then took it back... LOL
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2024 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16566458 4xchamps said:
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In comment 16566170 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I get it. Owners talk. And I know he isn’t going to publicly piss on Jones.

But his seeming endless affinity for Jones is something I want a 30 for 30 on one day.



You answered your your own question, then took it back... LOL


Mara is an awful owner. You disagree?
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Mike from SI : 8/1/2024 9:41 pm : link
In comment 16566380 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Mara just loves Jones. Loves him. I can never recall anything like this in my life. It is beyond mystifying. And frustrating AF. HE ISN'T A GOOD QB!

What has Jones ever done to warrant such affection? Does he call John 'Mr. Mara' & that's all John needs?

If we suck this year-which I fully expect-I can't wait for another coach-probably BB-to be tasked to fixing Jones come year seven.

& if Jones never even amounts to much, I'm sure he'll be in the Giants ROH because Johnny loves him so much.


There's still a solid minority of Giants fans, both on and off this board, who love Daniel Jones, think he never had a chance, would have been/could be good, etc. It's not just the owner. (Although I wish the owner weren't part of that group.)
RE: The Giants have drafted 3 first round quarterbacks in 45 years  
gridirony : 8/1/2024 10:15 pm : link
In comment 16566289 Go Terps said:
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By their standard of "conviction", it's going to be about another 9 years before they draft another QB.

Daniel Jones is not the problem with the Giants. The problem is, and has been, the way John Mara runs the organization.

- He bungled the new stadium
- He bungled the handling of the three best assets he was lucky enough to inherit: Reese, Coughlin, and Manning
- He populated the organization with family members and general mistakes

This organization has lost its way, completely and utterly.
Not completely, as there was that free Pepsi.
Wow I just lost five minutes of my life reading this post  
uconngiant : 8/1/2024 10:41 pm : link
John Mara wants to win and yes he has some of his Father in him regarding his love for certain players. Remember what many former players said about the Wellington Mara's love they had for him and the love he showed them.

I want less of him as well but he is the owner okay one of them.
RE: This is where Mara loses all credibility  
Red Right Hand : 8/2/2024 12:17 am : link
In comment 16566232 The Mike said:
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Saying he is happy with Daniel's contract and continuing to excuse his horrific record of performance by blaming everybody else is just beyond ridiculous at this point. The right comment from a competent owner is "We expect Daniel to live up to the contract that was given to him. There are no more excuses this year. It is time to perform at a level commensurate with the percentage of our salary cap that he will be occupying in 2024. A level that requires him to put this team on his back, elevate the players around him and carry this team to a successful year."

Continuing to say that DJ is still on scholarship and putting all of the pressure on his teammates and the coaching staff, even referring fondly to Bill Belichick, just sucks the positive energy out of the locker room at precisely the wrong moment for this team.

Hey John - please do yourself and this franchise a favor and stop speaking to the media!
I rather like it when he speaks to the media. You think he's dishonest. I don't.
You claim he runs the team, yet don't want any insight from him. I guess maybe it's because once he speaks on a thing like, we did this for XYZ reason" then the haters can't continue to make up their own reasons, it's easier to call him a liar & maintain whatever stance they have on whatever issue, which seems kinda lazy to me.
Ah yes  
Orville Redenbacher : 8/2/2024 12:28 am : link
who doesn’t love a born on 3rd base, objective loser opining on the most important position that he’s negatively affected with his bias?

Some of you really need to take a step back a notice the difference between someone we are stuck with and someone that knows the anything about leadership.

Yes we are stuck the Mara’s and we’d all like them to be competent. But overwhelming evidence says they are not.

You can downplay that all you want but those are the facts. No one can change that they are in control but we certainly do not have to pretend they are doing a good job when they very clearly aren’t.

Just. Stop.

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Mike in NY : 8/2/2024 12:47 am : link
In comment 16566470 Mike from SI said:
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Mara just loves Jones. Loves him. I can never recall anything like this in my life. It is beyond mystifying. And frustrating AF. HE ISN'T A GOOD QB!

What has Jones ever done to warrant such affection? Does he call John 'Mr. Mara' & that's all John needs?

If we suck this year-which I fully expect-I can't wait for another coach-probably BB-to be tasked to fixing Jones come year seven.

& if Jones never even amounts to much, I'm sure he'll be in the Giants ROH because Johnny loves him so much.



There's still a solid minority of Giants fans, both on and off this board, who love Daniel Jones, think he never had a chance, would have been/could be good, etc. It's not just the owner. (Although I wish the owner weren't part of that group.)


John Mara is on a whole different level than the woulda/coulda/shoulda people. As a rookie Jones did flash certain things which regressed completely under Judge. Seeing Mac Jones react similarly does lend credence to that. The difference is the woulda/coulda/shoulda people realize that Jones has not been that and, when combined with his injury history, should never have been offered the contract he was. The woulda/coulda/shoulda people would not prevent the drafting of a QB even once during Jones’s tenure.
Daboll  
BigBlueCane : 8/2/2024 4:10 am : link
the talent evaluator may make the Hoodie, the next coach.
RE: Daboll  
Sean : 8/2/2024 7:21 am : link
In comment 16566563 BigBlueCane said:
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the talent evaluator may make the Hoodie, the next coach.

I think if the season is a disaster we'll see a Belichick & Cousins pairing. Go defense in the first round and you'll have a 3-4 year window to win with Belichick.

Again, this is only if Vegas ends up being correct about the team.
This profile of "leader" is among the worst in the business world  
Jerry in_DC : 8/2/2024 7:45 am : link
Perhaps the raging asshole is worse if he is incompetent.

But what Mara is - mealy-mouthed, passive-aggressive, craves influence, shirks accountability- is an epic disaster. The "you have full autonomy, XYZ looks pretty good to me, I just want it to work, but be careful about XYZ" is so bad. Cowardly, ineffective, morale sucking.
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JT039 : 8/2/2024 8:02 am : link
In comment 16566571 Sean said:
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the talent evaluator may make the Hoodie, the next coach.


I think if the season is a disaster we'll see a Belichick & Cousins pairing. Go defense in the first round and you'll have a 3-4 year window to win with Belichick.

Again, this is only if Vegas ends up being correct about the team.


Not sure Atlanta can trade him so soon. Maybe you’re thinking Dak?
Just finished the series  
OlyWABigBlue : 8/2/2024 8:03 am : link
I found the while thing odd, from the "bro" culture to the office wanderings of sweater vest Eeyore. It was clear that Mara was involved in most things and not just at a titular level.
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rsjem1979 : 8/2/2024 8:07 am : link
In comment 16566279 Eric from BBI said:
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should pull Mara aside and say, "I know you love Jones and Barkley, but there are 51 other players on the team too. Don't we owe it to them too to try to win? And your comments throwing them under the bus are not helping."


The nephew would do it but he's too busy with all the offers he's getting from other teams.
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ajr2456 : 8/2/2024 8:42 am : link
In comment 16566589 JT039 said:
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the talent evaluator may make the Hoodie, the next coach.


I think if the season is a disaster we'll see a Belichick & Cousins pairing. Go defense in the first round and you'll have a 3-4 year window to win with Belichick.

Again, this is only if Vegas ends up being correct about the team.



Not sure Atlanta can trade him so soon. Maybe you’re thinking Dak?


A cousins trade after the season saves the Falcons $2.5 million according to overthecap
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Scooter185 : 8/2/2024 9:11 am : link
If Jones has a bad year the first question John is going to get from a reporter is "are you still happy you have gave him that contract?"
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Essex : 8/2/2024 9:20 am : link
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@DDuggan21
John Mara’s nephew Tim McDonnell, who is the Giants’ director of personnel, was shown in Hard Knocks as a prominent figure in the front office. Mara bristled when asked about what McDonnell brings to his role.

“His talent evaluation skills, his work ethic and the respect that he has, not only in our building, but around the league,” Mara said. “Sometimes I get tired of reading he’s only there because he’s my nephew. You go and check with people around the league, you see what kind of respect he has a personnel executive.”



Can we trade him to another team's front office for a pick?


The notion that Mara thinks someone would go up to him and say "John, your nephew is a buffoon and the only reason he has a job is because he is a part owner and your nephew.," might be peak Mara. I have no idea if he is respected or not around the league, but Mara vouching for him is absurd. I can imagine every person sees an owner and says "Wow, John your nephew is amazing." Most would recognize that people are being nice, but Mara wants us to fall for these niceties as well. I can't!
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The Mike : 8/2/2024 9:30 am : link
In comment 16566620 Scooter185 said:
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If Jones has a bad year the first question John is going to get from a reporter is "are you still happy you have gave him that contract?"


And his answer will be:

"Yes. The problems in 2024 were due to Daboll, the OL and the poor performance of our running game due to Schoen's incompetency in letting Barkley go to the Super Bowl Champion Eagles. Now that we have removed Schoen and Daboll and hired Bill Belichick as our new GM/HC, I am very happy that we have now extended DJ's contract for another decade so we will finally have enough time under the right conditions to prove to the world that we made a very smart draft pick back in 2019!"
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/2/2024 9:46 am : link
In comment 16566620 Scooter185 said:
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If Jones has a bad year the first question John is going to get from a reporter is "are you still happy you have gave him that contract?"


And he’ll make some excuse for Jones.

I’ve never seen anything like this as a Giants fan. It is beyond ridiculous and bizarre.
Belicheck won't come with Cousins  
BigBlueCane : 8/2/2024 3:29 pm : link
He's aware of how much of the job will be managing Mara.

He'll run it back with Jones as the starter but unlike previous coaches, he'll actively go for another QB in the draft.

If he comes, it'll be at the expense of Daboll's job and Schoen's power.

Mara  
Giants4me : 8/2/2024 9:05 pm : link
just looked the part on the whole series.
Reminding the GM about Barkley's popularity......
literally at the last possible minute.

He wasn't smart enough to realize Saquon was about to deliver an FU waiting for the Giants to get real.

Mara should also check his sources for the Bears Rumor.





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