Flott is a backup, McCloud is decent but an upgrade would be nice.
With a few good options available, why not sign one to a 1 year contract.
What One year rental that is still available do you think is going to come in here and lock down a position?? Just let the young guys develop and take their lumps and learn.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Oh, I've liked Phillips from the start (his first interview)
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
#Giants rookie CB Dru Phillips on his rep vs #Lions' Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jameson Williams' reaction and the ensuing fight: “I mean, it was a really good rep by me. So I kind of expect him to get mad. I mean, I’m a rookie. So I think I just did my job well and maybe he didn’t like it. But at the end of the day we’re just out there competing. So I expected it.”
This is great to hear! Can he be the edge corner opposite Banks?
Believe he’s our slot CB. You need three.
I know - he was drafted as a slot/nickel corner. But if he is blanketing St Brown, can he play outside and move Flott back to slot where Flott is probably better suited?
Flott at slot exposes his weakness in the run game.
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants-Lions Joint Practice 1 thoughts...
•Flott got burnt by Jameson Williams early & later Jamo was alone in the endzone on what must have been a busted coverage
Confirms what I've been saying for weeks and back to last year...he's too long and not quick enough vs smaller, quicker WRs. Nor is it clear that Flott was in on the EZ bust. It's early, and he may pick it up, but there was a reason Schoen and def staff groaned when CBs came off the board.
I have a big smile on my face reading all these posts.
Great job today Daniel Jones….keep it up and I will be back in your fan club, even paying back dues
Great job OL, especially Eluemunor ….i knew you just have to be our starting RT, and you proved it today.
Great job, Malik Nabers. I was not disappointed when we selected you over one of the other QBs because I know your talent is very very special. You will make any QB look better, including Jones, Lock, or Cutlets.
Great job Dru Phillips. I love your attitude and fight. You don’t play like a rookie.
Great job Mr Burns. Getting you was such a blessing….it is great to have a pass rushing super star on our team.
Great job Theo Johnson….you just look the part. Stay healthy please…..
Great job Mr Okereke….what a great trade Schoen made getting you to NY…you were the man last year and you never even missed one play. Keep it up and be safe.
I can go on, but I will stop there.
Great job to all our coaches and GM…..I BELIEVE!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Oh, I've liked Phillips from the start (his first interview)
In comment 16568837 The Mike said:I know - he was drafted as a slot/nickel corner. But if he is blanketing St Brown, can he play outside and move Flott back to slot where Flott is probably better suited? [/quote]TMike, Flott is even less suited to the slot than he is on the boundary. He got an extensive look at slot last year and it didn't work.
I have a big smile on my face reading all these posts.
Great job today Daniel Jones….keep it up and I will be back in your fan club, even paying back dues
Great job OL, especially Eluemunor ….i knew you just have to be our starting RT, and you proved it today.
Great job, Malik Nabers. I was not disappointed when we selected you over one of the other QBs because I know your talent is very very special. You will make any QB look better, including Jones, Lock, or Cutlets.
Great job Dru Phillips. I love your attitude and fight. You don’t play like a rookie.
Great job Mr Burns. Getting you was such a blessing….it is great to have a pass rushing super star on our team.
Great job Theo Johnson….you just look the part. Stay healthy please…..
Great job Mr Okereke….what a great trade Schoen made getting you to NY…you were the man last year and you never even missed one play. Keep it up and be safe.
I can go on, but I will stop there.
Great job to all our coaches and GM…..I BELIEVE!
Amen! #LFGNYG!
RE: It just seems like a wasted day if they had to stop
They got twice the work done that they normally do, and they had a practice to PHYSICALLY get them ready for the opener - something they clearly were not ready for last year.
It was a good day.
However, they need to follow this up with another good day.
that I get roped right back into to hoping that it's all changed!
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
In recent years many coaches have said they get a better look out of joint practices than pre-season. Really hope this team can exhibit a physical identity when the games count.
I have a big smile on my face reading all these posts.
Great job today Daniel Jones….keep it up and I will be back in your fan club, even paying back dues
Great job OL, especially Eluemunor ….i knew you just have to be our starting RT, and you proved it today.
Great job, Malik Nabers. I was not disappointed when we selected you over one of the other QBs because I know your talent is very very special. You will make any QB look better, including Jones, Lock, or Cutlets.
Great job Dru Phillips. I love your attitude and fight. You don’t play like a rookie.
Great job Mr Burns. Getting you was such a blessing….it is great to have a pass rushing super star on our team.
Great job Theo Johnson….you just look the part. Stay healthy please…..
Great job Mr Okereke….what a great trade Schoen made getting you to NY…you were the man last year and you never even missed one play. Keep it up and be safe.
I can go on, but I will stop there.
Great job to all our coaches and GM…..I BELIEVE!
Wish you would show a little more enthusiasm! (:-)
Jordan Raanan
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Just looking at my notes: Rookie WR Malik Nabers was targeted eight times at Monday's joint-practice against the Lions. He caught all eight passes (although it was debatable whether one was inbounds).
In comment 16568837 The Mike said:I know - he was drafted as a slot/nickel corner. But if he is blanketing St Brown, can he play outside and move Flott back to slot where Flott is probably better suited?
TMike, Flott is even less suited to the slot than he is on the boundary. He got an extensive look at slot last year and it didn't work. [/quote]
In Bowen Defense.. Nickels have to be able to play the run, be physical and solid tacklers.. Dru Phillips fits that mold better than Flott.
National Media - Pat McAfee take on Jones getting involved in fight
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
#Giants rookie CB Dru Phillips on his rep vs #Lions' Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jameson Williams' reaction and the ensuing fight: “I mean, it was a really good rep by me. So I kind of expect him to get mad. I mean, I’m a rookie. So I think I just did my job well and maybe he didn’t like it. But at the end of the day we’re just out there competing. So I expected it.”
This is great to hear! Can he be the edge corner opposite Banks?
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Phillips plays like Darnay Holmes was supposed to play but without the holding penalties.
from a practice attendee, re-enforces my core thesis about Flott on the boundary (and, no, we're not even going to broach him at slot, for the same basic factors in his build and movement challenges he faces on the boundary): have said, since last year, and nothing that has transpired at camp so far moves me off the basic premises:
- takes too long to get to max speed, in part bec of his length--he's a 440 guy not a 100m or 200m guy
- his length also impedes him from staying with quicker, esp. smaller WRs, reactions are a few beats behind
- not a talented or fearless tackler
this is from X's @KSIXI, who watches a ton of NYG football, and I know he has his detractors here, but his eyes are seeing the same as mine
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KSIXI
@KSIXI
From my vantage point, I saw mostly NYG D vs DET O.
It was pretty evenly matched. NYG DL I think overall had a better day than their OL but definitely some struggles in the secondary.
Flott just can't hang, man. He just can't. Thought Simmons on the 2nd team played well.
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Not sure we have the boundary corner opposite Banks on this roster yet...
prolly right, TMike, and again, from HK, why Bowen, Dabes et al. were apoplectic when the 2nd round didn't fall their way, got Nubin as a (not bad) consolation prize at another DB position of need. Barring a late FA vet signing, not sure how JS handicaps the logjam of wannabe CB#2, other than imo the impossible to cut McCloud, or maybe they Hail Mary Holmes, but he doesn't have the top end. Not sure if he is/would be as grabby outside. Hard to hide that
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Why the hell is the QB running into a fight scrum
Not sure we have the boundary corner opposite Banks on this roster yet...
Disagree with this. Don’t see them bringing in a vet. It’s Flott’s job now and McCloud is still a possibility. He’s had a good camp. A stopgap vet is counterproductive. Just kicks the can down the road and you have the same problem next year. Find out what you have now.
that I get roped right back into to hoping that it's all changed!
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
Come on man...let me have this...
Give us until Oct 1..then we'll deal with being out of the playoff race and discussing tanking for a QB.
Waller pulled a hammy and wasn’t the same player we saw in training camp. Sounds like Theo and Hyatt are looking good, Nabers is looking fantastic and Wan’Dale is healthy, which he wasn’t at the start of last year. Hope this gets your excitement back!
Not sure we have the boundary corner opposite Banks on this roster yet...
Disagree with this. Don’t see them bringing in a vet. It’s Flott’s job now and McCloud is still a possibility. He’s had a good camp. A stopgap vet is counterproductive. Just kicks the can down the road and you have the same problem next year. Find out what you have now.
Flott's not the answer. Maybe Christian Holmes is the guy!
Two neck injuries and a torn ACL would agree with you. It doesn't matter how much your teammates respect you and have a laugh with you getting into a scrum when you're on the sideline with the trainers instead of throwing the football.
There's a reason no coach wants his QB getting hit in practice and why they wear those red jerseys.There's a reason why Daboll went nuclear when he was *almost* hit today. It's because if he goes down injured, the season is done and the odds are already against the Giants this year enough.
Not sure we have the boundary corner opposite Banks on this roster yet...
Disagree with this. Don’t see them bringing in a vet. It’s Flott’s job now and McCloud is still a possibility. He’s had a good camp. A stopgap vet is counterproductive. Just kicks the can down the road and you have the same problem next year. Find out what you have now.
Flott's not the answer. Maybe Christian Holmes is the guy!
@JEluemunor
I love it here haha
Both in the way he looks and the way he moves, I am seeing a lot of Kareem McKenzie in him!
With a few good options available, why not sign one to a 1 year contract.
What One year rental that is still available do you think is going to come in here and lock down a position?? Just let the young guys develop and take their lumps and learn.
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In comment 16568826 The Mike said:
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In comment 16568817 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
#Giants rookie CB Dru Phillips on his rep vs #Lions' Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jameson Williams' reaction and the ensuing fight: “I mean, it was a really good rep by me. So I kind of expect him to get mad. I mean, I’m a rookie. So I think I just did my job well and maybe he didn’t like it. But at the end of the day we’re just out there competing. So I expected it.”
This is great to hear! Can he be the edge corner opposite Banks?
Believe he’s our slot CB. You need three.
I know - he was drafted as a slot/nickel corner. But if he is blanketing St Brown, can he play outside and move Flott back to slot where Flott is probably better suited?
Flott at slot exposes his weakness in the run game.
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
@BobbySkinner_
Giants-Lions Joint Practice 1 thoughts...
•Flott got burnt by Jameson Williams early & later Jamo was alone in the endzone on what must have been a busted coverage
Nabers looks like he’s going to be a big problem for defenses.
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
The real test begins September 8th.
Great job today Daniel Jones….keep it up and I will be back in your fan club, even paying back dues
Great job OL, especially Eluemunor ….i knew you just have to be our starting RT, and you proved it today.
Great job, Malik Nabers. I was not disappointed when we selected you over one of the other QBs because I know your talent is very very special. You will make any QB look better, including Jones, Lock, or Cutlets.
Great job Dru Phillips. I love your attitude and fight. You don’t play like a rookie.
Great job Mr Burns. Getting you was such a blessing….it is great to have a pass rushing super star on our team.
Great job Theo Johnson….you just look the part. Stay healthy please…..
Great job Mr Okereke….what a great trade Schoen made getting you to NY…you were the man last year and you never even missed one play. Keep it up and be safe.
I can go on, but I will stop there.
Great job to all our coaches and GM…..I BELIEVE!
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that I get roped right back into to hoping that it's all changed!
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
Come on man...let me have this...
Give us until Oct 1..then we'll deal with being out of the playoff race and discussing tanking for a QB.
Great job today Daniel Jones….keep it up and I will be back in your fan club, even paying back dues
Great job OL, especially Eluemunor ….i knew you just have to be our starting RT, and you proved it today.
Great job, Malik Nabers. I was not disappointed when we selected you over one of the other QBs because I know your talent is very very special. You will make any QB look better, including Jones, Lock, or Cutlets.
Great job Dru Phillips. I love your attitude and fight. You don’t play like a rookie.
Great job Mr Burns. Getting you was such a blessing….it is great to have a pass rushing super star on our team.
Great job Theo Johnson….you just look the part. Stay healthy please…..
Great job Mr Okereke….what a great trade Schoen made getting you to NY…you were the man last year and you never even missed one play. Keep it up and be safe.
I can go on, but I will stop there.
Great job to all our coaches and GM…..I BELIEVE!
Amen! #LFGNYG!
They got twice the work done that they normally do, and they had a practice to PHYSICALLY get them ready for the opener - something they clearly were not ready for last year.
It was a good day.
However, they need to follow this up with another good day.
Quote:
that I get roped right back into to hoping that it's all changed!
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
In recent years many coaches have said they get a better look out of joint practices than pre-season. Really hope this team can exhibit a physical identity when the games count.
Great job today Daniel Jones….keep it up and I will be back in your fan club, even paying back dues
Great job OL, especially Eluemunor ….i knew you just have to be our starting RT, and you proved it today.
Great job, Malik Nabers. I was not disappointed when we selected you over one of the other QBs because I know your talent is very very special. You will make any QB look better, including Jones, Lock, or Cutlets.
Great job Dru Phillips. I love your attitude and fight. You don’t play like a rookie.
Great job Mr Burns. Getting you was such a blessing….it is great to have a pass rushing super star on our team.
Great job Theo Johnson….you just look the part. Stay healthy please…..
Great job Mr Okereke….what a great trade Schoen made getting you to NY…you were the man last year and you never even missed one play. Keep it up and be safe.
I can go on, but I will stop there.
Great job to all our coaches and GM…..I BELIEVE!
Wish you would show a little more enthusiasm! (:-)
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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Just looking at my notes: Rookie WR Malik Nabers was targeted eight times at Monday's joint-practice against the Lions. He caught all eight passes (although it was debatable whether one was inbounds).
The guy is a stud.
That catch was inbounds.
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Strahan 🤝 Burns
https://x.com/Giants/status/1820531935044837474 - ( New Window )
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I have a big smile on my face reading all these posts.
Don't worry, BBI will wipe that smile off of your face.
I will do my best to not let that happen…I am very picky at what threads I open to read.
In Bowen Defense.. Nickels have to be able to play the run, be physical and solid tacklers.. Dru Phillips fits that mold better than Flott.
oint training camp cause a STIR for Lions vs. Giants | The Pat McAfee Show - ( New Window )
Do you want to get blown out in the opener again?
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Just a thought, is wise to have back-to-back very physical practices with a preseason game coming up a day later?
Do you want to get blown out in the opener again?
Yes, it's wise. The Lions practice like this all the time. Get ready to play NFL football games.
If so, we are down to 3 healthy TE’s and a 4 quarter game to be played this Thursday…
@SNYGiants
Nabers was ruled out of bounds by the joint practice officials
You be the judge 🤔 https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1820480215233220804 - ( New Window )
He was in from that angle
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@SNYGiants
Nabers was ruled out of bounds by the joint practice officials
You be the judge 🤔 https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1820480215233220804 - ( New Window )
He was in from that angle
there seems to be a slight bobble as he rolls on the ground
Yep. Like most, I wanted a new QB, but landing Nabers and Burns with our first two picks is massive.
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Just a thought, is wise to have back-to-back very physical practices with a preseason game coming up a day later?
Do you want to get blown out in the opener again?
Yes, it's wise. The Lions practice like this all the time. Get ready to play NFL football games.
You will see the starters for one series at most on Thursday.
And the Lions don't practice like this all the time, only on the limited number of days they can be in full pads.
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
#Giants rookie CB Dru Phillips on his rep vs #Lions' Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jameson Williams' reaction and the ensuing fight: “I mean, it was a really good rep by me. So I kind of expect him to get mad. I mean, I’m a rookie. So I think I just did my job well and maybe he didn’t like it. But at the end of the day we’re just out there competing. So I expected it.”
This is great to hear! Can he be the edge corner opposite Banks?
Phillips plays like Darnay Holmes was supposed to play but without the holding penalties.
- takes too long to get to max speed, in part bec of his length--he's a 440 guy not a 100m or 200m guy
- his length also impedes him from staying with quicker, esp. smaller WRs, reactions are a few beats behind
- not a talented or fearless tackler
this is from X's @KSIXI, who watches a ton of NYG football, and I know he has his detractors here, but his eyes are seeing the same as mine
KSIXI
@KSIXI
From my vantage point, I saw mostly NYG D vs DET O.
It was pretty evenly matched. NYG DL I think overall had a better day than their OL but definitely some struggles in the secondary.
Flott just can't hang, man. He just can't. Thought Simmons on the 2nd team played well.
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Practice like 8 times for this nonsense
Actually, quite the opposite.
How so?
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After all the shit he's been though and heard, if I were Jones, I'd be ready to rip the guys head off and piss into the bloody hole.
It's not like he's been getting out of a Higgins boat on Omaha beach.
He's getting handsomely paid by an owner who still loves him.
;)
But maybe he should.
Disagree with this. Don’t see them bringing in a vet. It’s Flott’s job now and McCloud is still a possibility. He’s had a good camp. A stopgap vet is counterproductive. Just kicks the can down the road and you have the same problem next year. Find out what you have now.
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that I get roped right back into to hoping that it's all changed!
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
Come on man...let me have this...
Give us until Oct 1..then we'll deal with being out of the playoff race and discussing tanking for a QB.
…at least until real football starts :-)
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Not sure we have the boundary corner opposite Banks on this roster yet...
Disagree with this. Don’t see them bringing in a vet. It’s Flott’s job now and McCloud is still a possibility. He’s had a good camp. A stopgap vet is counterproductive. Just kicks the can down the road and you have the same problem next year. Find out what you have now.
Flott's not the answer. Maybe Christian Holmes is the guy!
Eric, I'm thinking of the physical toll it takes by playing almost 3 games in a row. Regular season gets 1 game a week. The body needs time to heal.
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Just a thought, is wise to have back-to-back very physical practices with a preseason game coming up a day later?
Eric, I'm thinking of the physical toll it takes by playing almost 3 games in a row. Regular season gets 1 game a week. The body needs time to heal.
Can't say I disagree. Three days in a row of game conditions may be tough.
But maybe he should.
Two neck injuries and a torn ACL would agree with you. It doesn't matter how much your teammates respect you and have a laugh with you getting into a scrum when you're on the sideline with the trainers instead of throwing the football.
There's a reason no coach wants his QB getting hit in practice and why they wear those red jerseys.There's a reason why Daboll went nuclear when he was *almost* hit today. It's because if he goes down injured, the season is done and the odds are already against the Giants this year enough.
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that I get roped right back into to hoping that it's all changed!
What the hell - I'm in...
Let's go BIG BLUE baby!
It's total catnip.
Last year, after that preseason game where it looked like Jones to Waller looked formidable, this place was tripping over itself with excitement.
And then the real football started...
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In comment 16568618 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants Videos
@SNYGiants
Nabers was ruled out of bounds by the joint practice officials
You be the judge 🤔 https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1820480215233220804 - ( New Window )
He was in from that angle
there seems to be a slight bobble as he rolls on the ground
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Not sure we have the boundary corner opposite Banks on this roster yet...
Disagree with this. Don’t see them bringing in a vet. It’s Flott’s job now and McCloud is still a possibility. He’s had a good camp. A stopgap vet is counterproductive. Just kicks the can down the road and you have the same problem next year. Find out what you have now.
Flott's not the answer. Maybe Christian Holmes is the guy!
The Mike has spoken. I’ll wait for Daboll.