People need to go back and look who was starting on that 2022 defense too.
I don’t know if it’s coincidence or a reflection of the makeup of the team (including coaches) but both 22 and 23 seasons seemed to be season long continuations of their respective game 1’s.
Hopefully this week is a confidence booster that carries into a winnable game against the Vikings.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pat's always been a little low on the testosterone.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Embarrassing lack of discipline from both teams at the end of today, after both coaches said they wanted to see less of it. Basically had to cut the last period of practice short because of guys on both sides throwing punches, #Lions running over to #Giants sideline. Khalil Dorsey and Kayvon Thibodeaux exchange late blows
Pat Leonard with the keen eye....is it me or does his tone make you feel like smacking him in the back of the head?
Don't think there's every been a Giants writer that I'd love to smack more in the front of the head than Pat. Can't stand the guy.
Pat’s always been a cunt.
Just as bad when he covered the Rangers. Old videos of John Tortorella talking shit to him after dumb questions are a fun occasional guilty pleasure
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants-Lions Joint Practice 2 thoughts
•Malik Nabers balled out again and then started fighting. Great day for him.
•Nick McCloud had a good practice and then took CB2 reps over Flott for the first time
•Brian Burns had an excellent joint session and blitzes were getting home from other guys
•Kerby Joseph was punched a lot
•Another fun year of camp, thank you guys for supporting
It's Flott's job to lose....
McCloud has always been the fallback
McCloud may be viwed as having a limited ceiling, so if he beats out Flott, then I wouldn't be shocked if a cost effective vet is brought in.
That said, I still think the vets price tag will be too high and the Giants still want to roll with what they have.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Embarrassing lack of discipline from both teams at the end of today, after both coaches said they wanted to see less of it. Basically had to cut the last period of practice short because of guys on both sides throwing punches, #Lions running over to #Giants sideline. Khalil Dorsey and Kayvon Thibodeaux exchange late blows
Pat Leonard with the keen eye....is it me or does his tone make you feel like smacking him in the back of the head?
Don't think there's every been a Giants writer that I'd love to smack more in the front of the head than Pat. Can't stand the guy.
Pat’s always been a cunt.
Just as bad when he covered the Rangers. Old videos of John Tortorella talking shit to him after dumb questions are a fun occasional guilty pleasure
Two clips of big playes by Lions, I noticed #3 making up a lot of ground to make tackles. Had to lood up number, and that's Tae Banks. Don't know if he was making up for someone else's mistakes or those were on him.
After a great comment by Nabers yesterday about how DJ should stay out of fights so he doesn't get hurt, he himself made some stupid decisions today throwing punches at helmets. We don't need him breaking a finger.
With Feliciano at C and Glowinski playing decent right guard his first year and Thomas being healthy for 17 games it held up fairly well.
Last year JMS was not ready week 1 Thomas gets hurt and for some reason I'll never understand we move Erzudu to left tackle after he played guard all spring and get Jones killed. We went from 49 sacks allowed to 85 in 2023
days are a sign of a team that isn't going to be pushed around by the top teams of the NFL anymore, especially the Cowboys and Eagles. Adding Nabers and Burns can be the catalyst. Already looking forward to the joint practice with the Jets.
With Feliciano at C and Glowinski playing decent right guard his first year and Thomas being healthy for 17 games it held up fairly well.
Last year JMS was not ready week 1 Thomas gets hurt and for some reason I'll never understand we move Erzudu to left tackle after he played guard all spring and get Jones killed. We went from 49 sacks allowed to 85 in 2023
That 2022 line was bad, there is no sugar coating it. The best you can say is that it wasn't as much of a shitshow as 2023.
"The Giants' offensive line finished with a Pro Football Focus Pass Blocking Efficiency of 82.8, 26th in the league. That's worse than the 2021 ranking of 83.5, which was 23rd in the league. The Giants also allowed 212 total pressures in 2022, up from the 190 allowed the year prior."
RE: RE: Starting to think that NYG is going to look a lot more like the 2022
team than the 2023 team. Maybe even some more upside given how Nabers looks.
The 2022 team was pretty lucky, so this doesn't mean Giants are going back to the playoffs (much less the divisional round) but I think this is going to be a competitive team in the 8-10 win range. Thinking that the "over" 6.5 wins is a solid wager.
These WRs are WAY, WAY, WAY better than 2022.
The OL is better than 2022.
The defense is better than 2022.
Too many unknowns at secondary to believe that for me. Pass rush has to stand on its head for this to work.
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Exhibit 1-A to support your claim.
Preseason game 2 last year versus Carolina, opening drive.
People went to great lengths last year to explain away their poor performance vs. the Lions in the joint practice.
We won't know anything about this team until the regular season begins. But at least the OL isn't getting destroyed in a joint practice. Plus, we have a WR who has the makings of the other stud WRs from LSU in the league currently (Chase and Jefferson), and we have a legit top NFL pass rusher in Burns wreaking havoc on a good OL.
RE: RE: Starting to think that NYG is going to look a lot more like the 2022
team than the 2023 team. Maybe even some more upside given how Nabers looks.
The 2022 team was pretty lucky, so this doesn't mean Giants are going back to the playoffs (much less the divisional round) but I think this is going to be a competitive team in the 8-10 win range. Thinking that the "over" 6.5 wins is a solid wager.
These WRs are WAY, WAY, WAY better than 2022.
The OL is better than 2022.
The defense is better than 2022.
People got overly doom n gloom about this team based on what happened last year. And they still won 6 games. If healthy they are going to surprise a lot of people.
With Feliciano at C and Glowinski playing decent right guard his first year and Thomas being healthy for 17 games it held up fairly well.
Last year JMS was not ready week 1 Thomas gets hurt and for some reason I'll never understand we move Erzudu to left tackle after he played guard all spring and get Jones killed. We went from 49 sacks allowed to 85 in 2023
JMS was not bad to start the season. He looked extremely competent. He never recovered from the injury and appeared lost after it, too. More Bobby Johnson getting in the way, I believe.
Two clips of big playes by Lions, I noticed #3 making up a lot of ground to make tackles. Had to lood up number, and that's Tae Banks. Don't know if he was making up for someone else's mistakes or those were on him.
After a great comment by Nabers yesterday about how DJ should stay out of fights so he doesn't get hurt, he himself made some stupid decisions today throwing punches at helmets. We don't need him breaking a finger.
Are you talking about the play where the RB was left open down the field? How would that be on Banks???
@SNYGiants
"I have never seen a receiver, rookie or veteran, perform the way that Nabers has to start this summer"
@Connor_J_Hughes
with more from joint practice with the Lions on the "justified" hype coming Malik Nabers' way and the Giants' offensive line https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1820868373724770420 - ( New Window )
I often think that people make incorrect snap judgments of players - before they even play a game.
But I also think that some guys are just so good, you can see it immediately.
I think Nabers is one of those guys.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Malik Nabers really is absurd. A day after the rookie went 8/8 (receptions to targets), he starts today 6/6. He caught four in 7-on-7 and now two to start team drills. It’s not just that #NYG targeting him. He catches everything.
Not just #Giants secondary. #Lions can’t cover him either.
I think this tells you a few things a) Nabers has a chance to be special. The type of player the giants haven’t had. B ) Jones might not be the “Bum” that people claim he is. For the type of numbers he has to be accurate, c) the OL seem to be better but there still is work to do. D) our secondary other than Banks (sucks).
Not sure I agree with this. I really like our safeties. Banks and Phillips look like the real deal. Aren't we really talking about one question mark?
injuries will tell the story for 2024.
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And yet another squirmish.
love it, vintage Patti (:
I cannot even remember who was there - nor do I want to.
I don’t know if it’s coincidence or a reflection of the makeup of the team (including coaches) but both 22 and 23 seasons seemed to be season long continuations of their respective game 1’s.
Hopefully this week is a confidence booster that carries into a winnable game against the Vikings.
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Embarrassing lack of discipline from both teams at the end of today, after both coaches said they wanted to see less of it. Basically had to cut the last period of practice short because of guys on both sides throwing punches, #Lions running over to #Giants sideline. Khalil Dorsey and Kayvon Thibodeaux exchange late blows
Pat Leonard with the keen eye....is it me or does his tone make you feel like smacking him in the back of the head?
Don't think there's every been a Giants writer that I'd love to smack more in the front of the head than Pat. Can't stand the guy.
Pat’s always been a cunt.
Just as bad when he covered the Rangers. Old videos of John Tortorella talking shit to him after dumb questions are a fun occasional guilty pleasure
The Rangers actually had him thrown off the beat
Agree. I think that was Alex Anzalone.
It's Flott's job to lose....
McCloud has always been the fallback...
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants-Lions Joint Practice 2 thoughts
•Malik Nabers balled out again and then started fighting. Great day for him.
•Nick McCloud had a good practice and then took CB2 reps over Flott for the first time
•Brian Burns had an excellent joint session and blitzes were getting home from other guys
•Kerby Joseph was punched a lot
•Another fun year of camp, thank you guys for supporting
It's Flott's job to lose....
McCloud has always been the fallback
McCloud may be viwed as having a limited ceiling, so if he beats out Flott, then I wouldn't be shocked if a cost effective vet is brought in.
That said, I still think the vets price tag will be too high and the Giants still want to roll with what they have.
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People need to go back and look who was starting on that 2022 defense too.
I cannot even remember who was there - nor do I want to.
Tae Crowder, Austin Calitro, Fabian Moreau were starters. The DL depth was atrocious and Lawrence and Williams had to play a ton of snaps.
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People need to go back and look who was starting on that 2022 defense too.
I cannot even remember who was there - nor do I want to.
Tae Crowder, Austin Calitro, Fabian Moreau were starters. The DL depth was atrocious and Lawrence and Williams had to play a ton of snaps.
How did they win 9 games? Calitro was gone quickly. Moreau played reasonably well for basically off the street...
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Embarrassing lack of discipline from both teams at the end of today, after both coaches said they wanted to see less of it. Basically had to cut the last period of practice short because of guys on both sides throwing punches, #Lions running over to #Giants sideline. Khalil Dorsey and Kayvon Thibodeaux exchange late blows
Pat Leonard with the keen eye....is it me or does his tone make you feel like smacking him in the back of the head?
Don't think there's every been a Giants writer that I'd love to smack more in the front of the head than Pat. Can't stand the guy.
Pat’s always been a cunt.
Just as bad when he covered the Rangers. Old videos of John Tortorella talking shit to him after dumb questions are a fun occasional guilty pleasure
He was thrown off for making up stories
@BobbySkinner_
Giants-Lions Joint Practice 2 thoughts
•Kerby Joseph was punched a lot
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Belly. And Ezeudu.
Jae, how can you see that from so far away on a tiny cam shot?
I pause, zoom, and manually scroll through the timeline slowly.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Disagree with that. We'll see where we go but the Giants O hasn't looked great in over a decade, including camp and pre.
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Disagree with that. We'll see where we go but the Giants O hasn't looked great in over a decade, including camp and pre.
Last year beats were wetting themselves over the offense with Waller and then we had that one preseason drive…
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Disagree with that. We'll see where we go but the Giants O hasn't looked great in over a decade, including camp and pre.
Last year beats were wetting themselves over the offense with Waller and then we had that one preseason drive…
We sure as hell didn't look good in joint practices against the Lions last year.
After a great comment by Nabers yesterday about how DJ should stay out of fights so he doesn't get hurt, he himself made some stupid decisions today throwing punches at helmets. We don't need him breaking a finger.
Last year JMS was not ready week 1 Thomas gets hurt and for some reason I'll never understand we move Erzudu to left tackle after he played guard all spring and get Jones killed. We went from 49 sacks allowed to 85 in 2023
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Disagree with that. We'll see where we go but the Giants O hasn't looked great in over a decade, including camp and pre.
Last year beats were wetting themselves over the offense with Waller and then we had that one preseason drive…
We sure as hell didn't look good in joint practices against the Lions last year.
Nope, you are correct. We convinced ourselves that “bouncing back on day 2” erased getting our ass handed to us on day 1.
I gotta admit this feels different but I’m heavily guarded these days.
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Exhibit 1-A to support your claim.
Preseason game 2 last year versus Carolina, opening drive.
Last year JMS was not ready week 1 Thomas gets hurt and for some reason I'll never understand we move Erzudu to left tackle after he played guard all spring and get Jones killed. We went from 49 sacks allowed to 85 in 2023
That 2022 line was bad, there is no sugar coating it. The best you can say is that it wasn't as much of a shitshow as 2023.
"The Giants' offensive line finished with a Pro Football Focus Pass Blocking Efficiency of 82.8, 26th in the league. That's worse than the 2021 ranking of 83.5, which was 23rd in the league. The Giants also allowed 212 total pressures in 2022, up from the 190 allowed the year prior."
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team than the 2023 team. Maybe even some more upside given how Nabers looks.
The 2022 team was pretty lucky, so this doesn't mean Giants are going back to the playoffs (much less the divisional round) but I think this is going to be a competitive team in the 8-10 win range. Thinking that the "over" 6.5 wins is a solid wager.
These WRs are WAY, WAY, WAY better than 2022.
The OL is better than 2022.
The defense is better than 2022.
Too many unknowns at secondary to believe that for me. Pass rush has to stand on its head for this to work.
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I get it, I don't want to jinx anything either. But this is supposed to be entertainment so it's time to allow ourselves to be entertained.
@art_stapleton
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Jon Runyan vs Alim McNeill. Discuss.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1820871981748634020 - ( New Window )
@art_stapleton
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Greg Van Roten vs Kyle Peko. Discuss.
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@SNYGiants
"I have never seen a receiver, rookie or veteran, perform the way that Nabers has to start this summer"
@Connor_J_Hughes
with more from joint practice with the Lions on the "justified" hype coming Malik Nabers' way and the Giants' offensive line
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1820868373724770420 - ( New Window )
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Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Exhibit 1-A to support your claim.
Preseason game 2 last year versus Carolina, opening drive.
People went to great lengths last year to explain away their poor performance vs. the Lions in the joint practice.
We won't know anything about this team until the regular season begins. But at least the OL isn't getting destroyed in a joint practice. Plus, we have a WR who has the makings of the other stud WRs from LSU in the league currently (Chase and Jefferson), and we have a legit top NFL pass rusher in Burns wreaking havoc on a good OL.
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team than the 2023 team. Maybe even some more upside given how Nabers looks.
The 2022 team was pretty lucky, so this doesn't mean Giants are going back to the playoffs (much less the divisional round) but I think this is going to be a competitive team in the 8-10 win range. Thinking that the "over" 6.5 wins is a solid wager.
These WRs are WAY, WAY, WAY better than 2022.
The OL is better than 2022.
The defense is better than 2022.
People got overly doom n gloom about this team based on what happened last year. And they still won 6 games. If healthy they are going to surprise a lot of people.
@nickfalato
Malik Nabers deep touchdown, again https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1820839608847864311 - ( New Window )
Lousy pass. Great catch.
Last year JMS was not ready week 1 Thomas gets hurt and for some reason I'll never understand we move Erzudu to left tackle after he played guard all spring and get Jones killed. We went from 49 sacks allowed to 85 in 2023
JMS was not bad to start the season. He looked extremely competent. He never recovered from the injury and appeared lost after it, too. More Bobby Johnson getting in the way, I believe.
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Even some of the DJ haters are walking back their Bu!! $hit.
Let's go Danny Dimes!
Let's not get the cart ahead of the horse. We have seen similar before.
When?
Any previous DJ camp....looks great in camp and does not carry forward to the season.
Disagree with that. We'll see where we go but the Giants O hasn't looked great in over a decade, including camp and pre.
Last year beats were wetting themselves over the offense with Waller and then we had that one preseason drive…
We sure as hell didn't look good in joint practices against the Lions last year.
Jones threw 5 TDs in the second day of joint practicing with Lions and everyone went crazy about it
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@nickfalato
Malik Nabers deep touchdown, again https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1820839608847864311 - ( New Window )
Lousy pass. Great catch.
WTF are you talking about? It was very good pass. That was a back shoulder toss, IIRC.
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Nick Falato
@nickfalato
Malik Nabers deep touchdown, again https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1820839608847864311 - ( New Window )
Lousy pass. Great catch.
WTF are you talking about? It was very good pass. That was a back shoulder toss, IIRC.
It was a perfect pass.
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OK, I'll play
Locks on but seems to give up too much ground to a back up 305 lbs. DT who was undrafted and on his 5th team in 6 years.
After a great comment by Nabers yesterday about how DJ should stay out of fights so he doesn't get hurt, he himself made some stupid decisions today throwing punches at helmets. We don't need him breaking a finger.
Are you talking about the play where the RB was left open down the field? How would that be on Banks???
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Nick Falato
@nickfalato
Malik Nabers deep touchdown, again https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1820839608847864311 - ( New Window )
Lousy pass. Great catch.
WHAT?
@SNYGiants
"I have never seen a receiver, rookie or veteran, perform the way that Nabers has to start this summer"
@Connor_J_Hughes
with more from joint practice with the Lions on the "justified" hype coming Malik Nabers' way and the Giants' offensive line https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1820868373724770420 - ( New Window )
I often think that people make incorrect snap judgments of players - before they even play a game.
But I also think that some guys are just so good, you can see it immediately.
I think Nabers is one of those guys.
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Nick Falato
@nickfalato
Malik Nabers deep touchdown, again https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1820839608847864311 - ( New Window )
Lousy pass. Great catch.
Tell me you don't know how to evaluate a good pass without telling me you don't know how to evaluate a good pass.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Malik Nabers really is absurd. A day after the rookie went 8/8 (receptions to targets), he starts today 6/6. He caught four in 7-on-7 and now two to start team drills. It’s not just that #NYG targeting him. He catches everything.
Not just #Giants secondary. #Lions can’t cover him either.
I think this tells you a few things a) Nabers has a chance to be special. The type of player the giants haven’t had. B ) Jones might not be the “Bum” that people claim he is. For the type of numbers he has to be accurate, c) the OL seem to be better but there still is work to do. D) our secondary other than Banks (sucks).
Not sure I agree with this. I really like our safeties. Banks and Phillips look like the real deal. Aren't we really talking about one question mark?