Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
Because I didn’t agree with not adding more to the CB room but have never called it mismanagement.
I’ve also given several alternatives to a day 3 pick, but if you want to only harp on that one - rolling the dice on a day 3 pick is a smarter decision than rolling the dice on Lock because in both scenarios you’re ending up with DeVito as your QB. The upside of molding the day 3 pick and the die landing on a favorable side has a larger payoff than rolling the dice on Lock and hoping year 5 is any different than years 1-4.
You say the Giants strategy was to find a backup who was cheaper than Taylor but that would still have a chance to win with. Even prior to those drives every Lock data point points to that not being what Lock is. If that was the strategy they either executed it poorly or their QB evaluation skills need a ton of improvement.
There were cheaper and better FA options on the market than paying Lock $5 million. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Lock being the only add to the QB room this spring was a mismanagement.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
Yup.
Actually I said it was unfair but Grey showed me nothing last season, and I wanted the other guys to knock him off the roster. And guess what - Grey said the exact same thing in his press conference - said last year wasn't him and wanted to show the real Eric Grey. And the other guys showed great too. I couldn't have asked for better.
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
i do genuinely appreciate that you're at least taking the time to see obvious counterpoints. every guy on the list above has pros/cons, and every back up is generally going to have more cons than pros which is why they are all back ups who've passed through 2-3-4 different organizations. if picking flawed backups were the criteria for "mismanagement" every team in the nfl is mismanaged.
Well at least you finally admitted they mismanaged
A truly head scratching point is Schoen is waxing on about needing to fortify the durability at quarterback, up to the point of trading up for Maye, and then presents Daboll with his master plan of returning the same quarterback group. Eyeroll.
Thought there were a lot of positives in first 3 quarters from
a variety of players on both sides of ball. A lot of grabbing and holding penalties out there but that isn't surprising in preseason/Sept.
However, it is pretty clear that Lock is a waste of time and money on the QB depth chart. If he plays, his biggest contribution will be that he improves our draft position in 2025.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
So who’s the judge of whether he has proven it or not? If he’s doing it in practice and you don’t know about it is it ok for Daboll to make that decision without your consent?
Saying he shouldn’t see the field until he proves it is the most obvious thing on the planet if you’re ok with practice being the gauge of that, no? You think if he gets consistent reps at tackle and is getting beat like a drum time after time after time he’s seeing the field?
Only disagreement I have is that I think they believe they already have their developmental guy (over a Milton or a Pratt) in Devito. There is only so many snaps to go around to develop people with (which is why they cut the other 4th QB). If they took a late flier, it would have meant good bye Devito.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
I like DeVito, so I think he reasonably fills the developmental slot. He's also exhibited the ability to be a spot starter and be able to function.
If the design was go cheap and go healthy, I'm surprised they didn't opt for DeVito as the presumptive backup, and a roster bubble guy like Tyler Huntley.
Lock in all scenarios is a head scratcher. If they drafted Maye, Lock sucks and is the 3rd QB.
If they don't draft Maye, Lock sucks and is the 2nd QB.
And in all scenarios he costs 5M and is not better than DeVito.
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
Giants looked solid and played really physical in a pre season opener against a good team. And yet, here we are discussing whether Mitch Trubisky is a better backup than Drew Lock. Who cares, they both arent very good. Jones is the quarterback and laughable that some of you thought Lock could be a better option.
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
The following QBs would have cost less than Taylor
Brissett (if Taylor gets his second year)
Mariota
Tribusky
Flacco
Winston
Wentz
Jimmy G
Huntley
All give the Giants the same if not better chance to win than Lock. If it was about saving money and having as much of a chance to win as Taylor, they did a bad job finding that QB.
Jimmy G and Flacco are the only guys on that list that would be clear upgrades over Lock/ Devito. Maybe Trubisky. Maybe Mariota. Maybe. You also don't know if any of these guys wanted to come here or were realistic options. FA isn't a slam dunk. Players do try and go where they want to go. Who knows. I see their FA contracts are in the same ballpark to what Lock got here but you don't know thay they come here for the same exact cost. It's NY. It's different here we should all know that by now. To assume player A comes here for the same deal is crazy.
Only disagreement I have is that I think they believe they already have their developmental guy (over a Milton or a Pratt) in Devito. There is only so many snaps to go around to develop people with (which is why they cut the other 4th QB). If they took a late flier, it would have meant good bye Devito.
I get it, but DeVito has a limited ceiling. So considering him to be a "development" guy is not a great long term investment. I would rather rotate high ceiling guys through the quarterback room annually until we find our elite guy. Clearly, the top three guys were out of reach in 2024, but Schoen could have initiated the process with a high ceiling guy like Milton which would have only cost a late day three pick.
Unfortunately, it appears after last night that Lock may be the "development" guy and DeVito may be the backup in 2024.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
Over Lock. Tyler Huntley is probably equal to Lock but with more developmental upside than lock and provides more in the run game. Current day Wentz is probably better as well. He was better in 2021 and the 22 Washington line was bad.
D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
I didn't want Lock. I wanted a better backup. Didn't happen. I won't focus all my anger and energy on it because it aint worth the time. It's also unknown to what degree NYG wanted a bigger talent behind Jones but they did bring in a pretty decent QB in Taylor a few years ago and he had some pelts on his wall. Don't think it's fair to insinuate that NY didn't want to push Jones or bring in a guy that could "make him nervous" as they did just that to some extent with Taylor. Maybe they just couldn't reel in the bigger name. Who cares it's the fucking backup QB. Devito is better than Lock and that will come to fruition before all is said n done either here or somewhere else.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
I think your sense of humor needs as much work as your view on backup quarterbacks.
But to avoid the risk of getting another time out for being the delightful character that I am, I'll give you the last word.
D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
Dude you said "So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
"
Giants looked solid and played really physical in a pre season opener against a good team. And yet, here we are discussing whether Mitch Trubisky is a better backup than Drew Lock. Who cares, they both arent very good. Jones is the quarterback and laughable that some of you thought Lock could be a better option.
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
Backup quarterback is kinda of important when your boy doesn’t stay healthy.
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
It's like breathing for you. You forget it because you literally do it every single second.
"The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota."
because his only good game was against Philly. So he gets a gold star for that but he's not any good. Maybe Daboll can get the most out of him but I honestly hope we never get to find that out.
RE: doesn't matter if I did or didn't understand it
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
The post you're replying to clearly says "if" so it seems like you might be punching at air here.
When you add the "/when", it implies to me you think there's a good chance it's going to happen. Otherwise, why not just say "if" without the "/when"?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
Get a woman? Touch grass? Half wit and nincompoop are playfully expressed. You can't see that I'm just being goofy? I disagree with him, I wasn't cursing and being miserable because I'm not. I am very happily married and my grass is the best in the neighborhood! Lighten up dude, I'm breaking balls. If you can't see that, perhaps you are the miserable one.
Ok let me do your way. "Dear poster, I disagree with your assessment and that is all" Happy now you miserable turd? Insufferable assholes are everywhere. Pssst..I mean you! And have a good night! I don't dislike you, I just think you are being uptight and judging harshly but do you man. Age quod agis
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
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That's not really true.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
I’ve also given several alternatives to a day 3 pick, but if you want to only harp on that one - rolling the dice on a day 3 pick is a smarter decision than rolling the dice on Lock because in both scenarios you’re ending up with DeVito as your QB. The upside of molding the day 3 pick and the die landing on a favorable side has a larger payoff than rolling the dice on Lock and hoping year 5 is any different than years 1-4.
You say the Giants strategy was to find a backup who was cheaper than Taylor but that would still have a chance to win with. Even prior to those drives every Lock data point points to that not being what Lock is. If that was the strategy they either executed it poorly or their QB evaluation skills need a ton of improvement.
There were cheaper and better FA options on the market than paying Lock $5 million. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Lock being the only add to the QB room this spring was a mismanagement.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
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LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
Yup.
Actually I said it was unfair but Grey showed me nothing last season, and I wanted the other guys to knock him off the roster. And guess what - Grey said the exact same thing in his press conference - said last year wasn't him and wanted to show the real Eric Grey. And the other guys showed great too. I couldn't have asked for better.
And your point is?
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The real reason why Flacco, Brissett, Minshew, etc weren’t signed is fairly obvious and it’s not about the money.
A team that gave Drew Lock $5 million wasn’t concerned about getting someone cheap.
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AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
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The real reason why Flacco, Brissett, Minshew, etc weren’t signed is fairly obvious and it’s not about the money.
A team that gave Drew Lock $5 million wasn’t concerned about getting someone cheap.
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LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
i do genuinely appreciate that you're at least taking the time to see obvious counterpoints. every guy on the list above has pros/cons, and every back up is generally going to have more cons than pros which is why they are all back ups who've passed through 2-3-4 different organizations. if picking flawed backups were the criteria for "mismanagement" every team in the nfl is mismanaged.
However, it is pretty clear that Lock is a waste of time and money on the QB depth chart. If he plays, his biggest contribution will be that he improves our draft position in 2025.
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That's not really true.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
So who’s the judge of whether he has proven it or not? If he’s doing it in practice and you don’t know about it is it ok for Daboll to make that decision without your consent?
Saying he shouldn’t see the field until he proves it is the most obvious thing on the planet if you’re ok with practice being the gauge of that, no? You think if he gets consistent reps at tackle and is getting beat like a drum time after time after time he’s seeing the field?
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
If the design was go cheap and go healthy, I'm surprised they didn't opt for DeVito as the presumptive backup, and a roster bubble guy like Tyler Huntley.
Lock in all scenarios is a head scratcher. If they drafted Maye, Lock sucks and is the 3rd QB.
If they don't draft Maye, Lock sucks and is the 2nd QB.
And in all scenarios he costs 5M and is not better than DeVito.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
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The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
Brissett (if Taylor gets his second year)
Mariota
Tribusky
Flacco
Winston
Wentz
Jimmy G
Huntley
All give the Giants the same if not better chance to win than Lock. If it was about saving money and having as much of a chance to win as Taylor, they did a bad job finding that QB.
Jimmy G and Flacco are the only guys on that list that would be clear upgrades over Lock/ Devito. Maybe Trubisky. Maybe Mariota. Maybe. You also don't know if any of these guys wanted to come here or were realistic options. FA isn't a slam dunk. Players do try and go where they want to go. Who knows. I see their FA contracts are in the same ballpark to what Lock got here but you don't know thay they come here for the same exact cost. It's NY. It's different here we should all know that by now. To assume player A comes here for the same deal is crazy.
I get it, but DeVito has a limited ceiling. So considering him to be a "development" guy is not a great long term investment. I would rather rotate high ceiling guys through the quarterback room annually until we find our elite guy. Clearly, the top three guys were out of reach in 2024, but Schoen could have initiated the process with a high ceiling guy like Milton which would have only cost a late day three pick.
Unfortunately, it appears after last night that Lock may be the "development" guy and DeVito may be the backup in 2024.
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AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
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this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
I think your sense of humor needs as much work as your view on backup quarterbacks.
But to avoid the risk of getting another time out for being the delightful character that I am, I'll give you the last word.
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
Dude you said "So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
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Done bye.
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
Backup quarterback is kinda of important when your boy doesn’t stay healthy.
Dude you said "So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
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Done bye.
I suggest reading your own post from 12:35
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The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
It's like breathing for you. You forget it because you literally do it every single second.
"The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota."
Thx for trying. It's ok, we all have our phobias.
Christian’s post had more to do with Lock than Jones, even Christian would tell you that Lock is worse than Jones
Christian’s post had more to do with Lock than Jones, even Christian would tell you that Lock is worse than Jones
This is a post-game thread about a game Jones didn't play in.
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Went completely over your head and you had a conniption about it.
Christian’s post had more to do with Lock than Jones, even Christian would tell you that Lock is worse than Jones
This is a post-game thread about a game Jones didn't play in.
Nobody is debating Jones in this thread. DJM just didn’t understand a post.
Just win in 24.
Just win in 24.
And yet you chose to. Focus on browsing and not posting, much more beneficial to mankind.
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I didn't have to respond and start more shit.
Just win in 24.
And yet you chose to. Focus on browsing and not posting, much more beneficial to mankind.
I was trying to be nice. Maybe if you didn't vomit the same shit on every thread you wouldn't be pulled into so many arguments.
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I didn't have to respond and start more shit.
Just win in 24.
And yet you chose to. Focus on browsing and not posting, much more beneficial to mankind.
I was trying to be nice. Maybe if you didn't vomit the same shit on every thread you wouldn't be pulled into so many arguments.
The irony here is extremely rich. 90% of your posts are just bitching about what other people post.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
agree, lock is making the roster.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
The post you're replying to clearly says "if" so it seems like you might be punching at air here.
When you add the "/when", it implies to me you think there's a good chance it's going to happen. Otherwise, why not just say "if" without the "/when"?
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
Ok let me do your way. "Dear poster, I disagree with your assessment and that is all" Happy now you miserable turd? Insufferable assholes are everywhere. Pssst..I mean you! And have a good night! I don't dislike you, I just think you are being uptight and judging harshly but do you man. Age quod agis
What a terrible thing to say about their dog.
- babbel > rosetta stone