and the play of the RB's, especially Gray and Turbo.. Both looked really good. Gray had a few explosive plays, and Turbo looks like a fast bowling ball. He also ran out the clock with his running.
Johnson was also a stud, the guy just looked too good for the rest of the backups around him (on both teams)
oline, but they looked really good. Mayfield knocked the snot out of a few people.
If the 2nd team line looks coherent, that should mean the 1st team should be vastly improved.
oline, but they looked really good. Mayfield knocked the snot out of a few people.
If the 2nd team line looks coherent, that should mean the 1st team should be vastly improved.
Mayfield was a 2021 3rd rd pick. Maybe some untapped potential still there?
oline, but they looked really good. Mayfield knocked the snot out of a few people.
If the 2nd team line looks coherent, that should mean the 1st team should be vastly improved.
Coaching matters. A lot. Bricillo knows what he’s doing.
tracy and turbo looked legitimately exciting.
dyontae johnson, whitley, rogers, chatman, muasau all flashed.
devito is going to be qb2.
No he isn’t.
since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
devito was 3-3 in 6 starts last year while throwing 8 tds and 3 ints (9 total games). he's also got the advantage of being in the 2nd year in a complicated system.
drew's spot on the depth chart is the opposite of his last name.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants seem confident QB Drew Lock (hip) will be fine. Joe Schoen was optimistic on the broadcast. Brian Daboll didn’t seem overly concerned, aside from saying he’s “sore.”
RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
Matt Citak
@MattCitak
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RB Eric Gray said tonight’s performance was to “show who Eric Gray is.” Gray said he feels more comfortable being in Year 2 in the system.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito. he can keep devloping into a QB2 and save us 10-12m cap savings over the next 2 years.
but there’s a lot to be optimistic about. This team has a lot of young talent and is a much better roster than some folks think. Looking forward to development this year.
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
He'd be a decent guard yes. But he can play either as long as he just gets reps at one position.
I think he will be fine when Bricillo gets time with him. No Scholarship. Stupid phrase. Guy was hurt a lot and shown too many positions to ever get one down. Right now he is third best OT on the team and it isn't close.
that this was just a blatant glorified scrimmage? The whole game was very vanilla on both sides. That said, it was good to see the performance of the depth players. Coaching and execution allowed the players to play to their strengths. Looks like there is some talent there.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
If you listened tonight, Banks and Simms fully expect 3 QBs because of all the QB injuries last year. They felt Schoen and Dabs aren't going to take a chance on losing him.
Point taken, but it's definitely a compounding problem. The initial problem is he's no good at football.
I initially thought durability was the reason they moved on from Taylor, but per Hard Knocks it was money.
Jets offered $7 mill, Giants $5 mill. I thought it was mentioned he was pissed that DeVito kept starting after he cleared is health.
IMHO, good riddance. Always hurt. Missed too many short passes by spiking at open WRs feet. I liked his deep shots, but that was it.
For a 13 yr vet, he blew the Buffalo game. Think there was another one he had a bad brainfart in.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
If you listened tonight, Banks and Simms fully expect 3 QBs because of all the QB injuries last year. They felt Schoen and Dabs aren't going to take a chance on losing him.
i expect 3 qbs through at least midseason but salary shouldnt impact the depth chart. there's a reason lock was paid a lot less than a bunch of other backups this offseason, inclduing Tyrod who cant even get through more than a few games at a time.
devito continuing to outperform lock would be a good thing all around. if lock is QB 3 entering week 10 then they'd have to consider whether or not it's worth carrying him or trying to get an extra day 3 pick. it would be 1 of the last picks of the 7th round so not a big deal either way but having picks is better than not having them.
RE: RE: lock will likely make the roster but if they cut him before week 10
i think they get a comp pick back unless that qualifying period rule changed.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
interesting thought but i have no idea how that rule reacts if he gets traded (and i doubt anyone trades an unconditional pick for him). if the contract is active he's probably still a qualifier, meaning no comp pick, and trading him costs more than you get by cutting him.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll said Flott’s quad injury is why Nick McCloud was with the first-team defense on Tuesday. Daboll said McCloud isn’t hurt. The explanation for why McCloud didn’t play was hard to follow
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Cor'Dale Flott has a quad injury, per Brian Daboll. He would have played tonight if he was not banged up.
Sounds like Giants held Nick McCloud out due to his workload on defense and special teams. Looked like he went through warmups and then was held out as a precaution.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
that this was just a blatant glorified scrimmage? The whole game was very vanilla on both sides. That said, it was good to see the performance of the depth players. Coaching and execution allowed the players to play to their strengths. Looks like there is some talent there.
For almost 30 years, I've called the first preseason game a "glorified scrimmage" in my game previews. I'd be shocked if there was one where I didn't.
Like this before. Call it what you will but something in the air tonight just feels refreshing. Even this site sort of banded together for the most part.
Art Stapleton
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I assume DT Elijah Chatman did not fly back to team hotel from MetLife, but the undrafted rookie was soaring after the game. Got his first sack, a true hustle play.
I'll have more on Chatman from our 1-on-1 in the coming days. He's got a real opportunity. #Giants100
The original plan nevertheless was to keep Taylor.
DeVito is an extremely cost controlled backup. He's not lasting on the practice squad.
Hopefully there's some offset language in Lock's deal, and they get some money back if he's cut.
There's also the unorthodox outcome where he's cut and signs to the Giants practice squad.
Yes, that is correct, TT was the plan.
They are keeping 3 QBs. Why would you cut Lock and lose $5 mill and then put him on PS at some silly number and pay more.
If Lock gets cut, some team will pick him up and use the Giants contract as the offset.
Like this before. Call it what you will but something in the air tonight just feels refreshing. Even this site sort of banded together for the most part.
knock wood we don't jinx it, but the fact that the oline looked competent is probably why.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Talked briefly to Giants ILB Dyontae Johnson in the locker room as he was headed to the training room. Was an ankle, but Brian Daboll said Johnson was lobbying to get back in there in the fourth quarter. Seems like he was OK.
RE: That - but also some of the plays made on the D side
prorated for however many weeks were left the giants would get that amount credited back against the 2.95m salary they guaranteed him. think that would be about 66k per game under contract elsewhere.
so say they cut him right before week 10 the max upside if he signed right away with a team who already had their bye would be about $600k of credits in 2025 plus a 7th round pick. its a pretty remote possibility but every now and then stuff like that happens.
But I’m not sure how that works from a contract standpoint.
You need 3 QBs, but ideally one is on the PS. Tommy D ain’t making it through waivers unclaimed like last year so it’s either 3 on the 53 are we can cut the vested vet and sign him on the PS.
Eric. Looking good in a glorified scrimmage is no guarantee of success
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
See what a difference a good coach can have?! It's huge.
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll said Flott’s quad injury is why Nick McCloud was with the first-team defense on Tuesday. Daboll said McCloud isn’t hurt. The explanation for why McCloud didn’t play was hard to follow
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
I have been saying for a while that the real issue with our OL could be coaching. It seems almost impossible to miss on virtually every draft pick and free agent pickup (excl Thomas) in all of these years. There had to be something else. This is a single pre season game of backups, but we shall see.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
I have been saying for a while that the real issue with our OL could be coaching. It seems almost impossible to miss on virtually every draft pick and free agent pickup (excl Thomas) in all of these years. There had to be something else. This is a single pre season game of backups, but we shall see.
Agree with you and I have said the same thing. When players leave an org and remarkably do better on the next team it isn't the player most likely. Or when a player like Tyre gets cut, goes to the Eagles for 6 or 8 weeks and comes back noticeably better it is a warning sign.
Been missing from Giants play on both sides of the LOS pretty consistently for over a decade and the root cause of most of the teams issues imv. Some dope on here said it was coach speak but physical play was the foundation of the "Giants Way."
RE: RE: lock will likely make the roster but if they cut him before week 10
i think they get a comp pick back unless that qualifying period rule changed.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
Hey 125….who would want him? I didn’t want him and was disappointed we grabbed him to supposedly be our back up (you know I’m a Cutlets fan). Anyhow, teams will cut or place on their PS more promising players than Lock. I doubt NY can pick any up which is a shame. Let’s hope DJ stays healthy so that we can unload Lock after the season and then pick up a much better QB during the off-season to compete.
i think they get a comp pick back unless that qualifying period rule changed.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
Hey 125….who would want him? I didn’t want him and was disappointed we grabbed him to supposedly be our back up (you know I’m a Cutlets fan). Anyhow, teams will cut or place on their PS more promising players than Lock. I doubt NY can pick any up which is a shame. Let’s hope DJ stays healthy so that we can unload Lock after the season and then pick up a much better QB during the off-season to compete.
Simple answer is both the Seahawks and Giants wanted him, so there will be others.
Any team with a decimated QB room. He is not that great but he is a NFL QB with experience. He is erratic but has also won.
But I’m not sure how that works from a contract standpoint.
You need 3 QBs, but ideally one is on the PS. Tommy D ain’t making it through waivers unclaimed like last year so it’s either 3 on the 53 are we can cut the vested vet and sign him on the PS.
I just never understand this theory. Why does one have to be on the practice squad? How often is the 53rd man on the roster active for a game? Who would you rather risk losing - DeVito, who has shown he can play in a league where QBs are constantly getting hurt, or a fourth tight end? If your third QB has shown he can play you don't put him on the practice squad and make him available to other teams. Especially when you can elevate two guys from the PS each game.
- Eric Gray had exactly 1 run last year where he looked like an NFL running back. Last night the speed and elusiveness he showed made him look like a starter. All RB's looked pretty good, this can be a fun group to watch this season
- Really disappointed we didn't see a Nabers catch, more dissappointed Lock missed him open more than once
- Lock simply looks like he doesn't know the offense as well as DeVito
- While I can see where some of our back ups still are physically limited and lose 1 on 1's, the OL as a whole was more cohesive than we've seen in past years, all groupings were able to run block effectively
- Defense played physical, we saw some good hits from guys like Johnson, Phillips, Nubin and Owens
- Only injury we seem to have to hold our breath on is Ryder Anderson, that isn't bad from a preseason game, I hope he's okay because he has a role in the defense
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll said Flott’s quad injury is why Nick McCloud was with the first-team defense on Tuesday. Daboll said McCloud isn’t hurt. The explanation for why McCloud didn’t play was hard to follow
Not sure why that is hard to follow.
I think it's because he was saying Flott is first team and McCloud is second team, so that doesn't explain why he didn't play, especially when Banks played and all the 2nd and 3rd teamers play.
Didn’t Bricillio comment early on that he didn’t understand why Johnson had the olinemen take such wide splits. Could it be just something as simple as this in the perceived improvement in line play?
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
He'd be a decent guard yes. But he can play either as long as he just gets reps at one position.
I think he will be fine when Bricillo gets time with him. No Scholarship. Stupid phrase. Guy was hurt a lot and shown too many positions to ever get one down. Right now he is third best OT on the team and it isn't close.
Ezeudu got plenty of reps at LT last season and was horrible against starters. He wasn't blocking first team (or, at times even second team) guys last night. Maybe i'm wrong and the new coach can eliminate his deficiencies. But until he shows he can hold his own against starter quality players he should never see the field in a regular season game at tackle barring a tragedy involving the starting and swing tackles.
Many here are wringing their hands over the idea a Jones injury could screw the 2025 cap. Well, Ezeudu at LT increases the odds that might happen.
I saw that comment someone posted about the spacing with the OL. Be nice to see one of the beats follow up on that. I think it has more to do with Daboll's scheme but maybe we get more details regarding it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
He'd be a decent guard yes. But he can play either as long as he just gets reps at one position.
I think he will be fine when Bricillo gets time with him. No Scholarship. Stupid phrase. Guy was hurt a lot and shown too many positions to ever get one down. Right now he is third best OT on the team and it isn't close.
Ezeudu got plenty of reps at LT last season and was horrible against starters. He wasn't blocking first team (or, at times even second team) guys last night. Maybe i'm wrong and the new coach can eliminate his deficiencies. But until he shows he can hold his own against starter quality players he should never see the field in a regular season game at tackle barring a tragedy involving the starting and swing tackles.
Many here are wringing their hands over the idea a Jones injury could screw the 2025 cap. Well, Ezeudu at LT increases the odds that might happen.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
The biggest positive is seeing the backup offensive line group not have any glaring miscommunications or disasters. That's a reflection of coaching and presumably will carryover to the first group as well.
That sets an atmosphere where the younger players can develop their skills and acclimate to the NFL.
The Giants have had a terrible track record developing young players from at least the time Flaherty left.
Bricillo strikes me as the type of guy who isn't going to bitch about the resources invested in the group, but just focus on getting the best of the guys he has.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
I've been thinking for months, Bricillo, Nabers & Burns, make this a very different team.
Significantly better than not just the '23 team, but the '22 that won a road playoff game.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
I'm hopeful we finally have an OL coach. Not that I have a backlog of preseason memories from the last decade+ but I don't remember the Giants being consistent there through multiple units in a preseason game. Also encouraged by some of the reports about the run game in camp/joint practices where they're consistently getting yards. Nothing flashy just consistency.
The biggest positive is seeing the backup offensive line group not have any glaring miscommunications or disasters. That's a reflection of coaching and presumably will carryover to the first group as well.
That sets an atmosphere where the younger players can develop their skills and acclimate to the NFL.
The Giants have had a terrible track record developing young players from at least the time Flaherty left.
Bricillo strikes me as the type of guy who isn't going to bitch about the resources invested in the group, but just focus on getting the best of the guys he has.
It looked like a functional OL throughout the game. Huge difference from last year's preseason.
In the draft. Paying $5 million to a backup QB who may not be better than an UDFA (and may be significantly worse) is a gross mismanagement of the QB room.
I’m not saying he’s a good QB. But he’s going to be the backup QB.
If devito outplays him and specifically knows the offense better having been in it in 2 years, he could very easily be 3rd qb.
I'd be shocked if that happens, he was signed to be the backup QB. And that's a lot - a LOT - of money to pay to a 3rd string QB. Again - I don't think Lock is particularly good or talented, but this board tends to overemphasize DeVito's talent level. Neither QB was particularly good last night.
In the Nabers plays we don’t know what his progressions were. It was also raining and he was playing without Andrew Thomas
it's not 1 play - the version of drew lock we saw last night was the same version he's always been, good tools no tool box. the sack he ran himself into was a good example. it was his first preseason game in a new offense so im sure there's room for improvement, but the expectation level for him should be realistic. the amount he got paid was realistic to his ability level, which is a mid to low end backup. he got half of what tyrod got gtd and tyrod cant even stay on the field for a month at a time.
RE: Which brings us back to the issue of not bringing in a QB somewhere
In the draft. Paying $5 million to a backup QB who may not be better than an UDFA (and may be significantly worse) is a gross mismanagement of the QB room.
they were going to have some kind of veteran in the room behind jones, esp before they knew hed be cleared for camp. if they wanted a cheap lotto ticket id have preferred fields or if they wanted a vet to get through a game flacco, but the odds are any day 3 pick would get beat out by devito even easier than lock will be.
you only have reps to develop so many QBs in camp, the decision was basically develop devito or someone else, not both.
think of lock like an expensive day 3 pick. he has better tools and more experience than most day 3 picks and is only a few years older than most of them.
In the Nabers plays we don’t know what his progressions were. It was also raining and he was playing without Andrew Thomas
it's not 1 play - the version of drew lock we saw last night was the same version he's always been, good tools no tool box. the sack he ran himself into was a good example. it was his first preseason game in a new offense so im sure there's room for improvement, but the expectation level for him should be realistic. the amount he got paid was realistic to his ability level, which is a mid to low end backup. he got half of what tyrod got gtd and tyrod cant even stay on the field for a month at a time.
It was a joke.
RE: RE: Which brings us back to the issue of not bringing in a QB somewhere
In the draft. Paying $5 million to a backup QB who may not be better than an UDFA (and may be significantly worse) is a gross mismanagement of the QB room.
they were going to have some kind of veteran in the room behind jones, esp before they knew hed be cleared for camp. if they wanted a cheap lotto ticket id have preferred fields or if they wanted a vet to get through a game flacco, but the odds are any day 3 pick would get beat out by devito even easier than lock will be.
you only have reps to develop so many QBs in camp, the decision was basically develop devito or someone else, not both.
think of lock like an expensive day 3 pick. he has better tools and more experience than most day 3 picks and is only a few years older than most of them.
While true, a day three pick at least has upside so there’s a potential ROI. Lock is basically an burned $5 million
RE: RE: RE: Which brings us back to the issue of not bringing in a QB somewhere
While true, a day three pick at least has upside so there’s a potential ROI. Lock is basically an burned $5 million
no day 3 pick's upside is going to be dramatically different than devito's, and their downside is going to be dramatically lower than both devito/lock (think jake fromm).
the 2023 draft had a bunch of day 3 QBs play, some who the nyg were tied to like DTR, and devito outplayed pretty much all of them. DTR had 1 td and 4 ints in 8 games. Clayton Tune was another i think they were linked to he had 2 ints and 0 tds. out of 10 day 3 qbs drafted aidan occonnell is basically the only other day 3 who played somewhat comparable to devito.
I'd keep Tommy and go with 2 QBs. I don't expect that to happen though. I think they want an experienced veteran back up and want to keep developing Devito.
We know they wanted Taylor back, and he either didn't want to or was too expensive. He signed for 6M AAV vs. the 5M Lock received, so my guess is the sticking point was the 2nd year the Jets offered.
Their plan was always to go into the draft with a veteran. So I think the calculation was draft Maye and then: Jones/Maye/Vet or don't draft Maye and Jones/Vet/DeVito.
They clearly feel DeVito > than late round project.
The rub is Drew Lock fucking sucks, and if Jones gets hurt, he's going to come in and suck.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Which brings us back to the issue of not bringing in a QB somewhere
While true, a day three pick at least has upside so there’s a potential ROI. Lock is basically an burned $5 million
no day 3 pick's upside is going to be dramatically different than devito's, and their downside is going to be dramatically lower than both devito/lock (think jake fromm).
the 2023 draft had a bunch of day 3 QBs play, some who the nyg were tied to like DTR, and devito outplayed pretty much all of them. DTR had 1 td and 4 ints in 8 games. Clayton Tune was another i think they were linked to he had 2 ints and 0 tds. out of 10 day 3 qbs drafted aidan occonnell is basically the only other day 3 who played somewhat comparable to devito.
Disagree that a day 3 pick’s upside isn’t that much higher than Devito’s. Daboll got what he glut last year out of a guy who wasn’t even a very good college player. The upside for a guy like Travis or Pratt with Dabolls track record is much higher than Devitos upside.
On the other side a day 3 pick has much more upside than Lock
Tribusky got half the amount of money and Jimmy G got $2 million less. A flyer on Huntley would have provide more potential upside for a quarter of the cost. Even Mariota was probably a better option than Lock.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Which brings us back to the issue of not bringing in a QB somewhere
Disagree that a day 3 pick’s upside isn’t that much higher than Devito’s. Daboll got what he glut last year out of a guy who wasn’t even a very good college player. The upside for a guy like Travis or Pratt with Dabolls track record is much higher than Devitos upside.
i liked travis but that is wishful thinking. he's 24 years old and just as undertalented a thrower as devito, also coming off majory injury (was red on their board, started camp on PUP, is currently on NFI list). are you so confident in travis that you'd trade tracy for him right now?
any day 3 QBs upside beyond what devito already appears to be, a playable backup QB, is mostly imagined. especially specifically in their rookie year. the odds of getting a brock purdy are a lot worse than 1 in 100 and if they are available on day 3 that means there isnt a single GM who believes their odds of success are better than that.
The additional downside to Luck being awful after 5 chances to develop, is if Schoen operates from the perspective he wants to pay his cap bills as much as possible today, Lock is the economic difference between getting a vet corner and not.
RE: Tribusky and Jimmy G would have been better options than lock
Tribusky got half the amount of money and Jimmy G got $2 million less. A flyer on Huntley would have provide more potential upside for a quarter of the cost. Even Mariota was probably a better option than Lock.
lock was a weird choice i wouldnt have made. by proxy of age alone he has more upside than the guys you mentioned, also better tools. i assume they rolled the dice on a younger guy with "upside" vs older guys who are better players because they felt comfortable also having devito as an option.
Notwithstanding the obvious caveats that it is preseason and this game was played against many players who will be out of the NFL in a couple of weeks, this was a positive step forward. I feel like Daboll's weight loss might be a metaphor for the 2024 Giants - a lighter, faster and a much more energetic version of this group than we have seen in his first two years. Maybe Daboll will in fact beat that seven second forty time after all!
The Good:
- The running game committee approach took a big step forward. Bricillo's OL appeared to be opening holes and Gray, Tracy and Turbo all looked good. I had been thinking that Turbo was making a strong case to make the roster with Gray the odd man out, but Gray put that thesis to rest last night. I now fully expect all four RBs to make the roster.
- The team speed on defense looks fantastic. Especially against the run. Johnson, Whitley, Oghoufo and Chatman were literally flying to the ball carrier. Quickly filling holes, taking on and shedding blockers and making impactful tackles. And these are the backups! Banks, Nubin and Phillips looked fantastic when they were on the field. Nubin clearly has the ceiling to be as good or even better than McKinney.
- DeVito played competently. He has a limited ceiling and makes some annoying mistakes (the premature slide) but he may be the best quarterback on the roster. The kid has moxie and his enthusiasm clearly energizes the offense. He is a virtual lock to make the roster or at the very least be protected on the practice squad.
The Not So Good:
- Drew Lock looked terrible last night. The whole point with his cannon is to take shots downfield. And Nabers was running wide open! Instead, we got a check down charlie performance and an interception the one time he threw the ball down field! The thesis that Daboll could elevate Lock's game ala Josh Allen appears to be pure folly so far. He needs to step up big time in the next two weeks or DeVito will be the backup and Lock will be dead weight on the roster. In the Giants current situation, not drafting a Milton or a Pratt in the sixth round was a mistake.
- Ojulari was overshadowed by both Basham and Whitley on the edge. Does he even make this roster? He seemed slow and ineffective and seemed to disappear during this game.
- While the OL did not have a bad game and the overall coordination seemed significantly improved, I am still not confident in Ezeudu and Miles at OT. If this were against Hutchinson and Davenport they would have gotten killed last night. Assuming Neal is out and/or ineffectual, I am afraid we have to hope that AT and JE remain healthy this year.
Overall, the positives outweigh the negatives. It was a solid start to the 2024 season.
The additional downside to Luck being awful after 5 chances to develop, is if Schoen operates from the perspective he wants to pay his cap bills as much as possible today, Lock is the economic difference between getting a vet corner and not.
tyrod was just as wasteful in 2022 when they were even more cap strapped, he got 1 chance to play and got hurt in his first series. right or wrong all 3 years they prioritized a veteran option on bench at QB early in FA, and after having watched the frommplosion i understand it even if i havent always agreed with their choices.
The down right hilarious part is someone in the play thought Drew Lock was a legitimate threat enough to challenge Jones as the starter, that it was said or implied.
That either speaks volumes on how Jones is viewed, or someone had recently visited Kanye's dentist.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
I wouldn't assume anything with these decision makers in place.
Just go work in an NFL front office already. I mean, you're so great, you're really depriving the NFL and by extension the entire world of your talents by not having done so already.
Sam Darnold brought back a 5th round comp pick to SF this past offseason after starting just 1 game for them. overall on the season in 2023 he completed 28/46 passes, 2 tds, 1 int, took 6 sacks, ran for 1 td, and threw for 297 yards.
they signed him for 1 year 4.5m ahead of 2023, and somehow by virtue of some part luck of circumstances (kirk leaving MIN) and some part perception that he looked better on tape in his limited action, he got his salary doubled.
obviously there is no guarantee Lock works out, but i assume part of why they felt he was worth the risk is because he is still young and does have tools that give him upside. if they can successfully develop him and even if he only plays a very limited amount this year, he could bring them back a decent pick next year. that's not as much the case with older guys like trubisky/flacco.
The difference between Taylor and Lock, is it's a coin flip Taylor will play, but the 50% of the time he does he can function.
100% of the time Lock plays he's the worst quarterback playing in the NFL that day.
he's not 100% the worst qb, it's probably more like 60% to tyrod's 50% which is why they first wanted tyrod. when there became a 2x difference in the years/guarantees they decided the value wasnt worth it.
credit where it's due, his 2 starts last year were against SF and PHI and he went 1-1 with 90+ qb ratings in both games.
If the Giants are viewing the back up quarterback position as a comp pick opportunity, when we heard Schoen say Jones was a health liability about a dozen times on Hard Knocks, these aren't serious people.
If you are serious about competing for a championship and you have a guy with durability issues starting, you need to go get a durable and quality backup.
That's not Tyrod Taylor, but it's sure as fuck not Drew Lock.
RE: RE: Tribusky and Jimmy G would have been better options than lock
Tribusky got half the amount of money and Jimmy G got $2 million less. A flyer on Huntley would have provide more potential upside for a quarter of the cost. Even Mariota was probably a better option than Lock.
lock was a weird choice i wouldnt have made. by proxy of age alone he has more upside than the guys you mentioned, also better tools. i assume they rolled the dice on a younger guy with "upside" vs older guys who are better players because they felt comfortable also having devito as an option.
It’s a risky dice roll when the other options are a guy who is always hurt and a guy who probably isn’t any good.
If the Giants are viewing the back up quarterback position as a comp pick opportunity, when we heard Schoen say Jones was a health liability about a dozen times on Hard Knocks, these aren't serious people.
If you are serious about competing for a championship and you have a guy with durability issues starting, you need to go get a durable and quality backup.
That's not Tyrod Taylor, but it's sure as fuck not Drew Lock.
so who would you have had them sign better and more durable than tyrod? if you are complaining about locks $5m, surely whoever checks those boxes is going to be worth more than that.
RE: RE: RE: Tribusky and Jimmy G would have been better options than lock
Tribusky got half the amount of money and Jimmy G got $2 million less. A flyer on Huntley would have provide more potential upside for a quarter of the cost. Even Mariota was probably a better option than Lock.
lock was a weird choice i wouldnt have made. by proxy of age alone he has more upside than the guys you mentioned, also better tools. i assume they rolled the dice on a younger guy with "upside" vs older guys who are better players because they felt comfortable also having devito as an option.
It’s a risky dice roll when the other options are a guy who is always hurt and a guy who probably isn’t any good.
all dice rolls are risky. it's still less risky than a day 3 QB. just more expensive.
The biggest positive is seeing the backup offensive line group not have any glaring miscommunications or disasters. That's a reflection of coaching and presumably will carryover to the first group as well....
The Giants have had a terrible track record developing young players from at least the time Flaherty left.
Bricillo strikes me as the type of guy who isn't going to bitch about the resources invested in the group, but just focus on getting the best of the guys he has.
yep, and maybe he can add a different set of eyes on OL prospects in the draft and FA, where it already seems to be positive (after DG's awful trolling): fewer Day 1 and more Day 2/3 picks with his acumen to assess prospects he thinks he can develop. We get on Schoen a lot for his OL picks thus far, rightfully so, but some of that has to be he was working with the inherited, incumbent 'experts', no (he says hopefully)?
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Tribusky and Jimmy G would have been better options than lock
all dice rolls are risky. it's still less risky than a day 3 QB. just more expensive.
Don’t agree that it’s less risky in every scenario but hypothetically let’s say that’s true, rolling the dice on Lock when there were better options on the market is mismanagement.
Given Jones injury history they needed someone who could give them better than Tyrod/Devito gave them last year if they were dead set on bringing in a vet. Jimmy G, Tribusky, Winston, and Mariota all fit that description and Huntley probably fits that description with some potential upside.
if tyrod were still here and devito continues playing the way he looked yesterday, would you want to see devito off the bench first ahead of tyrod (or any other vet fill in)?
same as ive said re lock, for pretty much any of the backup QBs who were available this offseason in FA or day 3 of draft my answer would be that devito should be #2. part of saving money on lock/tyrod was likely because they knew that was a distinct possibility. signing lock makes the most sense as a "what is the least we can spend on a guy who gives us a chance to win".
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
The following QBs would have cost less than Taylor
Brissett (if Taylor gets his second year)
Mariota
Tribusky
Flacco
Winston
Wentz
Jimmy G
Huntley
All give the Giants the same if not better chance to win than Lock. If it was about saving money and having as much of a chance to win as Taylor, they did a bad job finding that QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tribusky and Jimmy G would have been better options than lock
all dice rolls are risky. it's still less risky than a day 3 QB. just more expensive.
Don’t agree that it’s less risky in every scenario but hypothetically let’s say that’s true, rolling the dice on Lock when there were better options on the market is mismanagement.
Given Jones injury history they needed someone who could give them better than Tyrod/Devito gave them last year if they were dead set on bringing in a vet. Jimmy G, Tribusky, Winston, and Mariota all fit that description and Huntley probably fits that description with some potential upside.
daboll has won games with 3 different qbs and was competitive against the NFC champs with davis freaking webb. lock wasnt my choice and hed be behind devito on my depth chart but calling his signing "mismanagement" after a few preseason drives seems a little over dramatic no?
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
I wouldn't assume anything with these decision makers in place.
Just go work in an NFL front office already. I mean, you're so great, you're really depriving the NFL and by extension the entire world of your talents by not having done so already.
God fucking damn your act is tired.
You don't need to be a savant to see the quality of the job these guys are doing; you just need to put the blue pom poms down. Sorry to make you sad.
I get you feel the need to defend every move the organization makes
But I don’t see how it’s unreasonable to call the QB room a mismanagement, even after a few pre season drives, because Locks entire career isn’t much different than those preseason drives. Hes 27 and in his 5th year in the league. We have a pretty good idea of what Drew Lock is, there’s no reason to roll the dice on him.
There were 3 different ways to manage the QB room this spring:
1) bring in one of the top rookie QBs as the potential future
2) bring in a vet to legitimately compete for the QB who can be a competent backup.
3) bring in someone whose floor is higher than Devito’s because if Jones gets hurt, Devito probably isn’t good enough if you want to sneak into the playoffs
As of now, it looks like they did zero of those things. It’s safe to say they mismanaged the QB room from the vantage point we have at the moment.
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
The post you're replying to clearly says "if" so it seems like you might be punching at air here.
RE: I get you feel the need to defend every move the organization makes
But I don’t see how it’s unreasonable to call the QB room a mismanagement, even after a few pre season drives, because Locks entire career isn’t much different than those preseason drives. Hes 27 and in his 5th year in the league. We have a pretty good idea of what Drew Lock is, there’s no reason to roll the dice on him.
There were 3 different ways to manage the QB room this spring:
1) bring in one of the top rookie QBs as the potential future
2) bring in a vet to legitimately compete for the QB who can be a competent backup.
3) bring in someone whose floor is higher than Devito’s because if Jones gets hurt, Devito probably isn’t good enough if you want to sneak into the playoffs
As of now, it looks like they did zero of those things. It’s safe to say they mismanaged the QB room from the vantage point we have at the moment.
i get that you feel the need to call any move you disagree with "mismanagement" but that's just not reality. nobody bats 1.000. pointing out that out isnt defending the organization it's defending reality.
ive made at least 10 posts in this thread stipulating how little i like lock (and dozens of others stretching back to his draft year) so i hardly see how you view my comments as some kind of bias. one can not like lock while also accepting the reality that wishfully thinking a day 3 qb will be better than him (or devito) in their rookie year doesnt make it so.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
Because I didn’t agree with not adding more to the CB room but have never called it mismanagement.
I’ve also given several alternatives to a day 3 pick, but if you want to only harp on that one - rolling the dice on a day 3 pick is a smarter decision than rolling the dice on Lock because in both scenarios you’re ending up with DeVito as your QB. The upside of molding the day 3 pick and the die landing on a favorable side has a larger payoff than rolling the dice on Lock and hoping year 5 is any different than years 1-4.
You say the Giants strategy was to find a backup who was cheaper than Taylor but that would still have a chance to win with. Even prior to those drives every Lock data point points to that not being what Lock is. If that was the strategy they either executed it poorly or their QB evaluation skills need a ton of improvement.
There were cheaper and better FA options on the market than paying Lock $5 million. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Lock being the only add to the QB room this spring was a mismanagement.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
Yup.
Actually I said it was unfair but Grey showed me nothing last season, and I wanted the other guys to knock him off the roster. And guess what - Grey said the exact same thing in his press conference - said last year wasn't him and wanted to show the real Eric Grey. And the other guys showed great too. I couldn't have asked for better.
LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
i do genuinely appreciate that you're at least taking the time to see obvious counterpoints. every guy on the list above has pros/cons, and every back up is generally going to have more cons than pros which is why they are all back ups who've passed through 2-3-4 different organizations. if picking flawed backups were the criteria for "mismanagement" every team in the nfl is mismanaged.
Well at least you finally admitted they mismanaged
A truly head scratching point is Schoen is waxing on about needing to fortify the durability at quarterback, up to the point of trading up for Maye, and then presents Daboll with his master plan of returning the same quarterback group. Eyeroll.
Thought there were a lot of positives in first 3 quarters from
a variety of players on both sides of ball. A lot of grabbing and holding penalties out there but that isn't surprising in preseason/Sept.
However, it is pretty clear that Lock is a waste of time and money on the QB depth chart. If he plays, his biggest contribution will be that he improves our draft position in 2025.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
So who’s the judge of whether he has proven it or not? If he’s doing it in practice and you don’t know about it is it ok for Daboll to make that decision without your consent?
Saying he shouldn’t see the field until he proves it is the most obvious thing on the planet if you’re ok with practice being the gauge of that, no? You think if he gets consistent reps at tackle and is getting beat like a drum time after time after time he’s seeing the field?
Only disagreement I have is that I think they believe they already have their developmental guy (over a Milton or a Pratt) in Devito. There is only so many snaps to go around to develop people with (which is why they cut the other 4th QB). If they took a late flier, it would have meant good bye Devito.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
I like DeVito, so I think he reasonably fills the developmental slot. He's also exhibited the ability to be a spot starter and be able to function.
If the design was go cheap and go healthy, I'm surprised they didn't opt for DeVito as the presumptive backup, and a roster bubble guy like Tyler Huntley.
Lock in all scenarios is a head scratcher. If they drafted Maye, Lock sucks and is the 3rd QB.
If they don't draft Maye, Lock sucks and is the 2nd QB.
And in all scenarios he costs 5M and is not better than DeVito.
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
Quote:
since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
Giants looked solid and played really physical in a pre season opener against a good team. And yet, here we are discussing whether Mitch Trubisky is a better backup than Drew Lock. Who cares, they both arent very good. Jones is the quarterback and laughable that some of you thought Lock could be a better option.
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
The following QBs would have cost less than Taylor
Brissett (if Taylor gets his second year)
Mariota
Tribusky
Flacco
Winston
Wentz
Jimmy G
Huntley
All give the Giants the same if not better chance to win than Lock. If it was about saving money and having as much of a chance to win as Taylor, they did a bad job finding that QB.
Jimmy G and Flacco are the only guys on that list that would be clear upgrades over Lock/ Devito. Maybe Trubisky. Maybe Mariota. Maybe. You also don't know if any of these guys wanted to come here or were realistic options. FA isn't a slam dunk. Players do try and go where they want to go. Who knows. I see their FA contracts are in the same ballpark to what Lock got here but you don't know thay they come here for the same exact cost. It's NY. It's different here we should all know that by now. To assume player A comes here for the same deal is crazy.
Only disagreement I have is that I think they believe they already have their developmental guy (over a Milton or a Pratt) in Devito. There is only so many snaps to go around to develop people with (which is why they cut the other 4th QB). If they took a late flier, it would have meant good bye Devito.
I get it, but DeVito has a limited ceiling. So considering him to be a "development" guy is not a great long term investment. I would rather rotate high ceiling guys through the quarterback room annually until we find our elite guy. Clearly, the top three guys were out of reach in 2024, but Schoen could have initiated the process with a high ceiling guy like Milton which would have only cost a late day three pick.
Unfortunately, it appears after last night that Lock may be the "development" guy and DeVito may be the backup in 2024.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
Over Lock. Tyler Huntley is probably equal to Lock but with more developmental upside than lock and provides more in the run game. Current day Wentz is probably better as well. He was better in 2021 and the 22 Washington line was bad.
D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
I didn't want Lock. I wanted a better backup. Didn't happen. I won't focus all my anger and energy on it because it aint worth the time. It's also unknown to what degree NYG wanted a bigger talent behind Jones but they did bring in a pretty decent QB in Taylor a few years ago and he had some pelts on his wall. Don't think it's fair to insinuate that NY didn't want to push Jones or bring in a guy that could "make him nervous" as they did just that to some extent with Taylor. Maybe they just couldn't reel in the bigger name. Who cares it's the fucking backup QB. Devito is better than Lock and that will come to fruition before all is said n done either here or somewhere else.
AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
I think your sense of humor needs as much work as your view on backup quarterbacks.
But to avoid the risk of getting another time out for being the delightful character that I am, I'll give you the last word.
D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
Dude you said "So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
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Giants looked solid and played really physical in a pre season opener against a good team. And yet, here we are discussing whether Mitch Trubisky is a better backup than Drew Lock. Who cares, they both arent very good. Jones is the quarterback and laughable that some of you thought Lock could be a better option.
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
Backup quarterback is kinda of important when your boy doesn’t stay healthy.
The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
It's like breathing for you. You forget it because you literally do it every single second.
"The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota."
because his only good game was against Philly. So he gets a gold star for that but he's not any good. Maybe Daboll can get the most out of him but I honestly hope we never get to find that out.
RE: doesn't matter if I did or didn't understand it
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
The post you're replying to clearly says "if" so it seems like you might be punching at air here.
When you add the "/when", it implies to me you think there's a good chance it's going to happen. Otherwise, why not just say "if" without the "/when"?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
Get a woman? Touch grass? Half wit and nincompoop are playfully expressed. You can't see that I'm just being goofy? I disagree with him, I wasn't cursing and being miserable because I'm not. I am very happily married and my grass is the best in the neighborhood! Lighten up dude, I'm breaking balls. If you can't see that, perhaps you are the miserable one.
Ok let me do your way. "Dear poster, I disagree with your assessment and that is all" Happy now you miserable turd? Insufferable assholes are everywhere. Pssst..I mean you! And have a good night! I don't dislike you, I just think you are being uptight and judging harshly but do you man. Age quod agis
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ezedeu and McKethan both look like cut candidates
Johnson was also a stud, the guy just looked too good for the rest of the backups around him (on both teams)
@PLeonardNYDN
Joe Schoen said during the broadcast that Drew Lock’s hip injury isn’t serious and he could have gone back in if needed
#Giants 14 #Lions 3 in the preseason opener
Gray, Miller and Tracy all ran well tonight. Defense forced three turnovers on downs. Boogie Basham, Dyontae Johnson among those who stood out
Locker room next
If the 2nd team line looks coherent, that should mean the 1st team should be vastly improved.
If the 2nd team line looks coherent, that should mean the 1st team should be vastly improved.
Mayfield was a 2021 3rd rd pick. Maybe some untapped potential still there?
devito we have control for 3+ years of backup QB vet min salary.
thats 5-6m cap savings over the next 2 seasons.
If the 2nd team line looks coherent, that should mean the 1st team should be vastly improved.
Coaching matters. A lot. Bricillo knows what he’s doing.
Credit Schoen? Bricillo? both?
dyontae johnson, whitley, rogers, chatman, muasau all flashed.
devito is going to be qb2.
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Here judge the team play to play. Honestly the back up line looked so much better….most preseasons they can barley move the ball…
Credit Schoen? Bricillo? both?
Ooops. Obviously replied wrong pot.
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Here judge the team play to play. Honestly the back up line looked so much better….most preseasons they can barley move the ball…
Credit Schoen? Bricillo? both?
Schoen got players and Bricillo can coach them. Maybe a reason to have hope for Evan Neal???
Beats all week said the line looked good.
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Here judge the team play to play. Honestly the back up line looked so much better….most preseasons they can barley move the ball…
Little of both I’d say
Credit Schoen? Bricillo? both?
dyontae johnson, whitley, rogers, chatman, muasau all flashed.
devito is going to be qb2.
No he isn’t.
Let’s fucking go!
@PLeonardNYDN
Joe Schoen said during the broadcast that Drew Lock’s hip injury isn’t serious and he could have gone back in if needed
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
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tracy and turbo looked legitimately exciting.
dyontae johnson, whitley, rogers, chatman, muasau all flashed.
devito is going to be qb2.
No he isn’t.
since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
devito was 3-3 in 6 starts last year while throwing 8 tds and 3 ints (9 total games). he's also got the advantage of being in the 2nd year in a complicated system.
drew's spot on the depth chart is the opposite of his last name.
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The Giants seem confident QB Drew Lock (hip) will be fine. Joe Schoen was optimistic on the broadcast. Brian Daboll didn’t seem overly concerned, aside from saying he’s “sore.”
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
@Dan_Salomone
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Daboll said Eric Gray got stronger as camp went on, and it showed up tonight.
@MattCitak
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RB Eric Gray said tonight’s performance was to “show who Eric Gray is.” Gray said he feels more comfortable being in Year 2 in the system.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
agree, lock is making the roster.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito. he can keep devloping into a QB2 and save us 10-12m cap savings over the next 2 years.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
I wouldn't assume anything with these decision makers in place.
Nubin is going to be hard to keep off the field, i saw him throw an OLineman to make aplay in the whole..
Dru Phillips is not your average slot corner, he looks built like a mac truck and not afraid to stick is nose in on running plays..
Dyontae Johnson will be starting next to Okereke before we know it, kid was everywhere and was physical in the running game and has the closing speed
Owens was all over the field when he was in, seemed to be in on every tackle..
Offe sively obviously we know about the WR trio of Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson but Tracy and Gray really showed somethkng
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
He'd be a decent guard yes. But he can play either as long as he just gets reps at one position.
I think he will be fine when Bricillo gets time with him. No Scholarship. Stupid phrase. Guy was hurt a lot and shown too many positions to ever get one down. Right now he is third best OT on the team and it isn't close.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
I wouldn't assume anything with these decision makers in place.
Same shit different day
But DeVito look much better tonight.
Point taken, but it's definitely a compounding problem. The initial problem is he's no good at football.
I initially thought durability was the reason they moved on from Taylor, but per Hard Knocks it was money.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
If you listened tonight, Banks and Simms fully expect 3 QBs because of all the QB injuries last year. They felt Schoen and Dabs aren't going to take a chance on losing him.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
Point taken, but it's definitely a compounding problem. The initial problem is he's no good at football.
I initially thought durability was the reason they moved on from Taylor, but per Hard Knocks it was money.
Jets offered $7 mill, Giants $5 mill. I thought it was mentioned he was pissed that DeVito kept starting after he cleared is health.
IMHO, good riddance. Always hurt. Missed too many short passes by spiking at open WRs feet. I liked his deep shots, but that was it.
For a 13 yr vet, he blew the Buffalo game. Think there was another one he had a bad brainfart in.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
If you listened tonight, Banks and Simms fully expect 3 QBs because of all the QB injuries last year. They felt Schoen and Dabs aren't going to take a chance on losing him.
i expect 3 qbs through at least midseason but salary shouldnt impact the depth chart. there's a reason lock was paid a lot less than a bunch of other backups this offseason, inclduing Tyrod who cant even get through more than a few games at a time.
devito continuing to outperform lock would be a good thing all around. if lock is QB 3 entering week 10 then they'd have to consider whether or not it's worth carrying him or trying to get an extra day 3 pick. it would be 1 of the last picks of the 7th round so not a big deal either way but having picks is better than not having them.
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i think they get a comp pick back unless that qualifying period rule changed.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
interesting thought but i have no idea how that rule reacts if he gets traded (and i doubt anyone trades an unconditional pick for him). if the contract is active he's probably still a qualifier, meaning no comp pick, and trading him costs more than you get by cutting him.
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Daboll said Flott’s quad injury is why Nick McCloud was with the first-team defense on Tuesday. Daboll said McCloud isn’t hurt. The explanation for why McCloud didn’t play was hard to follow
DeVito is an extremely cost controlled backup. He's not lasting on the practice squad.
Hopefully there's some offset language in Lock's deal, and they get some money back if he's cut.
There's also the unorthodox outcome where he's cut and signs to the Giants practice squad.
@art_stapleton
Cor'Dale Flott has a quad injury, per Brian Daboll. He would have played tonight if he was not banged up.
Sounds like Giants held Nick McCloud out due to his workload on defense and special teams. Looked like he went through warmups and then was held out as a precaution.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
For almost 30 years, I've called the first preseason game a "glorified scrimmage" in my game previews. I'd be shocked if there was one where I didn't.
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I assume DT Elijah Chatman did not fly back to team hotel from MetLife, but the undrafted rookie was soaring after the game. Got his first sack, a true hustle play.
I'll have more on Chatman from our 1-on-1 in the coming days. He's got a real opportunity. #Giants100
DeVito is an extremely cost controlled backup. He's not lasting on the practice squad.
Hopefully there's some offset language in Lock's deal, and they get some money back if he's cut.
There's also the unorthodox outcome where he's cut and signs to the Giants practice squad.
Yes, that is correct, TT was the plan.
They are keeping 3 QBs. Why would you cut Lock and lose $5 mill and then put him on PS at some silly number and pay more.
If Lock gets cut, some team will pick him up and use the Giants contract as the offset.
knock wood we don't jinx it, but the fact that the oline looked competent is probably why.
@art_stapleton
Talked briefly to Giants ILB Dyontae Johnson in the locker room as he was headed to the training room. Was an ankle, but Brian Daboll said Johnson was lobbying to get back in there in the fourth quarter. Seems like he was OK.
Yes, true.
Funny how that works.
so say they cut him right before week 10 the max upside if he signed right away with a team who already had their bye would be about $600k of credits in 2025 plus a 7th round pick. its a pretty remote possibility but every now and then stuff like that happens.
Wow is he going to be a stud.
You need 3 QBs, but ideally one is on the PS. Tommy D ain’t making it through waivers unclaimed like last year so it’s either 3 on the 53 are we can cut the vested vet and sign him on the PS.
but it beats the hell out of looking bad in a glorified scrimmage.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
See what a difference a good coach can have?! It's huge.
Funny how that works.
Oh man why would u say this? You're playing with fire
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two really physical practices and a preseason game in the span of a few days and came out of this game remarkably healthy.
Funny how that works.
Oh man why would u say this? You're playing with fire
Ehh...I'm tired of putting these players in bubble wrap and worrying about injuries. Just play baby.
But if you are not looking to Nabers as your first option on every single play you are doing football wrong.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
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In comment 16571955 bigbluewillrise said:
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
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Daboll said Flott’s quad injury is why Nick McCloud was with the first-team defense on Tuesday. Daboll said McCloud isn’t hurt. The explanation for why McCloud didn’t play was hard to follow
Not sure why that is hard to follow.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
I have been saying for a while that the real issue with our OL could be coaching. It seems almost impossible to miss on virtually every draft pick and free agent pickup (excl Thomas) in all of these years. There had to be something else. This is a single pre season game of backups, but we shall see.
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Carmine Bricillo.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
I have been saying for a while that the real issue with our OL could be coaching. It seems almost impossible to miss on virtually every draft pick and free agent pickup (excl Thomas) in all of these years. There had to be something else. This is a single pre season game of backups, but we shall see.
Agree with you and I have said the same thing. When players leave an org and remarkably do better on the next team it isn't the player most likely. Or when a player like Tyre gets cut, goes to the Eagles for 6 or 8 weeks and comes back noticeably better it is a warning sign.
Been missing from Giants play on both sides of the LOS pretty consistently for over a decade and the root cause of most of the teams issues imv. Some dope on here said it was coach speak but physical play was the foundation of the "Giants Way."
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i think they get a comp pick back unless that qualifying period rule changed.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
Hey 125….who would want him? I didn’t want him and was disappointed we grabbed him to supposedly be our back up (you know I’m a Cutlets fan). Anyhow, teams will cut or place on their PS more promising players than Lock. I doubt NY can pick any up which is a shame. Let’s hope DJ stays healthy so that we can unload Lock after the season and then pick up a much better QB during the off-season to compete.
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i think they get a comp pick back unless that qualifying period rule changed.
Some team will be short a QB by then. Trade him.
Hey 125….who would want him? I didn’t want him and was disappointed we grabbed him to supposedly be our back up (you know I’m a Cutlets fan). Anyhow, teams will cut or place on their PS more promising players than Lock. I doubt NY can pick any up which is a shame. Let’s hope DJ stays healthy so that we can unload Lock after the season and then pick up a much better QB during the off-season to compete.
Simple answer is both the Seahawks and Giants wanted him, so there will be others.
Any team with a decimated QB room. He is not that great but he is a NFL QB with experience. He is erratic but has also won.
Not much to whine about...
You need 3 QBs, but ideally one is on the PS. Tommy D ain’t making it through waivers unclaimed like last year so it’s either 3 on the 53 are we can cut the vested vet and sign him on the PS.
I just never understand this theory. Why does one have to be on the practice squad? How often is the 53rd man on the roster active for a game? Who would you rather risk losing - DeVito, who has shown he can play in a league where QBs are constantly getting hurt, or a fourth tight end? If your third QB has shown he can play you don't put him on the practice squad and make him available to other teams. Especially when you can elevate two guys from the PS each game.
- Eric Gray had exactly 1 run last year where he looked like an NFL running back. Last night the speed and elusiveness he showed made him look like a starter. All RB's looked pretty good, this can be a fun group to watch this season
- Really disappointed we didn't see a Nabers catch, more dissappointed Lock missed him open more than once
- Lock simply looks like he doesn't know the offense as well as DeVito
- While I can see where some of our back ups still are physically limited and lose 1 on 1's, the OL as a whole was more cohesive than we've seen in past years, all groupings were able to run block effectively
- Defense played physical, we saw some good hits from guys like Johnson, Phillips, Nubin and Owens
- Only injury we seem to have to hold our breath on is Ryder Anderson, that isn't bad from a preseason game, I hope he's okay because he has a role in the defense
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Daboll said Flott’s quad injury is why Nick McCloud was with the first-team defense on Tuesday. Daboll said McCloud isn’t hurt. The explanation for why McCloud didn’t play was hard to follow
Not sure why that is hard to follow.
I think it's because he was saying Flott is first team and McCloud is second team, so that doesn't explain why he didn't play, especially when Banks played and all the 2nd and 3rd teamers play.
BTW- Brian Burns has brought a swagger, a leader by example mentality to this defense that was sorely needed.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
He'd be a decent guard yes. But he can play either as long as he just gets reps at one position.
I think he will be fine when Bricillo gets time with him. No Scholarship. Stupid phrase. Guy was hurt a lot and shown too many positions to ever get one down. Right now he is third best OT on the team and it isn't close.
Ezeudu got plenty of reps at LT last season and was horrible against starters. He wasn't blocking first team (or, at times even second team) guys last night. Maybe i'm wrong and the new coach can eliminate his deficiencies. But until he shows he can hold his own against starter quality players he should never see the field in a regular season game at tackle barring a tragedy involving the starting and swing tackles.
Many here are wringing their hands over the idea a Jones injury could screw the 2025 cap. Well, Ezeudu at LT increases the odds that might happen.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
He'd be a decent guard yes. But he can play either as long as he just gets reps at one position.
I think he will be fine when Bricillo gets time with him. No Scholarship. Stupid phrase. Guy was hurt a lot and shown too many positions to ever get one down. Right now he is third best OT on the team and it isn't close.
Ezeudu got plenty of reps at LT last season and was horrible against starters. He wasn't blocking first team (or, at times even second team) guys last night. Maybe i'm wrong and the new coach can eliminate his deficiencies. But until he shows he can hold his own against starter quality players he should never see the field in a regular season game at tackle barring a tragedy involving the starting and swing tackles.
Many here are wringing their hands over the idea a Jones injury could screw the 2025 cap. Well, Ezeudu at LT increases the odds that might happen.
^This.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
agree, lock is making the roster.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
That sets an atmosphere where the younger players can develop their skills and acclimate to the NFL.
The Giants have had a terrible track record developing young players from at least the time Flaherty left.
Bricillo strikes me as the type of guy who isn't going to bitch about the resources invested in the group, but just focus on getting the best of the guys he has.
Yes, it’s one meaningless preseason game with and against backups, but our OL looked ready to play, were firing off the ball, got to the 2nd level consistently and mostly controlled the line of scrimmage. Lot of big blocks and some great holes for our guys to run through
Just hope that translates to having the starters ready for week 1
I've been thinking for months, Bricillo, Nabers & Burns, make this a very different team.
Significantly better than not just the '23 team, but the '22 that won a road playoff game.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
agree, lock is making the roster.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
I'm counting on it
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
Yep. No Saquon either. Patrick Mahomes would have struggled too
That sets an atmosphere where the younger players can develop their skills and acclimate to the NFL.
The Giants have had a terrible track record developing young players from at least the time Flaherty left.
Bricillo strikes me as the type of guy who isn't going to bitch about the resources invested in the group, but just focus on getting the best of the guys he has.
It looked like a functional OL throughout the game. Huge difference from last year's preseason.
If devito outplays him and specifically knows the offense better having been in it in 2 years, he could very easily be 3rd qb.
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I’m not saying he’s a good QB. But he’s going to be the backup QB.
If devito outplays him and specifically knows the offense better having been in it in 2 years, he could very easily be 3rd qb.
I'd be shocked if that happens, he was signed to be the backup QB. And that's a lot - a LOT - of money to pay to a 3rd string QB. Again - I don't think Lock is particularly good or talented, but this board tends to overemphasize DeVito's talent level. Neither QB was particularly good last night.
it's not 1 play - the version of drew lock we saw last night was the same version he's always been, good tools no tool box. the sack he ran himself into was a good example. it was his first preseason game in a new offense so im sure there's room for improvement, but the expectation level for him should be realistic. the amount he got paid was realistic to his ability level, which is a mid to low end backup. he got half of what tyrod got gtd and tyrod cant even stay on the field for a month at a time.
they were going to have some kind of veteran in the room behind jones, esp before they knew hed be cleared for camp. if they wanted a cheap lotto ticket id have preferred fields or if they wanted a vet to get through a game flacco, but the odds are any day 3 pick would get beat out by devito even easier than lock will be.
you only have reps to develop so many QBs in camp, the decision was basically develop devito or someone else, not both.
think of lock like an expensive day 3 pick. he has better tools and more experience than most day 3 picks and is only a few years older than most of them.
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In the Nabers plays we don’t know what his progressions were. It was also raining and he was playing without Andrew Thomas
it's not 1 play - the version of drew lock we saw last night was the same version he's always been, good tools no tool box. the sack he ran himself into was a good example. it was his first preseason game in a new offense so im sure there's room for improvement, but the expectation level for him should be realistic. the amount he got paid was realistic to his ability level, which is a mid to low end backup. he got half of what tyrod got gtd and tyrod cant even stay on the field for a month at a time.
It was a joke.
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In the draft. Paying $5 million to a backup QB who may not be better than an UDFA (and may be significantly worse) is a gross mismanagement of the QB room.
they were going to have some kind of veteran in the room behind jones, esp before they knew hed be cleared for camp. if they wanted a cheap lotto ticket id have preferred fields or if they wanted a vet to get through a game flacco, but the odds are any day 3 pick would get beat out by devito even easier than lock will be.
you only have reps to develop so many QBs in camp, the decision was basically develop devito or someone else, not both.
think of lock like an expensive day 3 pick. he has better tools and more experience than most day 3 picks and is only a few years older than most of them.
While true, a day three pick at least has upside so there’s a potential ROI. Lock is basically an burned $5 million
While true, a day three pick at least has upside so there’s a potential ROI. Lock is basically an burned $5 million
no day 3 pick's upside is going to be dramatically different than devito's, and their downside is going to be dramatically lower than both devito/lock (think jake fromm).
the 2023 draft had a bunch of day 3 QBs play, some who the nyg were tied to like DTR, and devito outplayed pretty much all of them. DTR had 1 td and 4 ints in 8 games. Clayton Tune was another i think they were linked to he had 2 ints and 0 tds. out of 10 day 3 qbs drafted aidan occonnell is basically the only other day 3 who played somewhat comparable to devito.
Their plan was always to go into the draft with a veteran. So I think the calculation was draft Maye and then: Jones/Maye/Vet or don't draft Maye and Jones/Vet/DeVito.
They clearly feel DeVito > than late round project.
The rub is Drew Lock fucking sucks, and if Jones gets hurt, he's going to come in and suck.
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While true, a day three pick at least has upside so there’s a potential ROI. Lock is basically an burned $5 million
no day 3 pick's upside is going to be dramatically different than devito's, and their downside is going to be dramatically lower than both devito/lock (think jake fromm).
the 2023 draft had a bunch of day 3 QBs play, some who the nyg were tied to like DTR, and devito outplayed pretty much all of them. DTR had 1 td and 4 ints in 8 games. Clayton Tune was another i think they were linked to he had 2 ints and 0 tds. out of 10 day 3 qbs drafted aidan occonnell is basically the only other day 3 who played somewhat comparable to devito.
Disagree that a day 3 pick’s upside isn’t that much higher than Devito’s. Daboll got what he glut last year out of a guy who wasn’t even a very good college player. The upside for a guy like Travis or Pratt with Dabolls track record is much higher than Devitos upside.
Whether it was not brining in a rookie, or the vet QB they signed, the QB room was bungled this offseason. Don’t think that’s debatable.
Disagree that a day 3 pick’s upside isn’t that much higher than Devito’s. Daboll got what he glut last year out of a guy who wasn’t even a very good college player. The upside for a guy like Travis or Pratt with Dabolls track record is much higher than Devitos upside.
i liked travis but that is wishful thinking. he's 24 years old and just as undertalented a thrower as devito, also coming off majory injury (was red on their board, started camp on PUP, is currently on NFI list). are you so confident in travis that you'd trade tracy for him right now?
any day 3 QBs upside beyond what devito already appears to be, a playable backup QB, is mostly imagined. especially specifically in their rookie year. the odds of getting a brock purdy are a lot worse than 1 in 100 and if they are available on day 3 that means there isnt a single GM who believes their odds of success are better than that.
lock was a weird choice i wouldnt have made. by proxy of age alone he has more upside than the guys you mentioned, also better tools. i assume they rolled the dice on a younger guy with "upside" vs older guys who are better players because they felt comfortable also having devito as an option.
The Good:
- The running game committee approach took a big step forward. Bricillo's OL appeared to be opening holes and Gray, Tracy and Turbo all looked good. I had been thinking that Turbo was making a strong case to make the roster with Gray the odd man out, but Gray put that thesis to rest last night. I now fully expect all four RBs to make the roster.
- The team speed on defense looks fantastic. Especially against the run. Johnson, Whitley, Oghoufo and Chatman were literally flying to the ball carrier. Quickly filling holes, taking on and shedding blockers and making impactful tackles. And these are the backups! Banks, Nubin and Phillips looked fantastic when they were on the field. Nubin clearly has the ceiling to be as good or even better than McKinney.
- DeVito played competently. He has a limited ceiling and makes some annoying mistakes (the premature slide) but he may be the best quarterback on the roster. The kid has moxie and his enthusiasm clearly energizes the offense. He is a virtual lock to make the roster or at the very least be protected on the practice squad.
The Not So Good:
- Drew Lock looked terrible last night. The whole point with his cannon is to take shots downfield. And Nabers was running wide open! Instead, we got a check down charlie performance and an interception the one time he threw the ball down field! The thesis that Daboll could elevate Lock's game ala Josh Allen appears to be pure folly so far. He needs to step up big time in the next two weeks or DeVito will be the backup and Lock will be dead weight on the roster. In the Giants current situation, not drafting a Milton or a Pratt in the sixth round was a mistake.
- Ojulari was overshadowed by both Basham and Whitley on the edge. Does he even make this roster? He seemed slow and ineffective and seemed to disappear during this game.
- While the OL did not have a bad game and the overall coordination seemed significantly improved, I am still not confident in Ezeudu and Miles at OT. If this were against Hutchinson and Davenport they would have gotten killed last night. Assuming Neal is out and/or ineffectual, I am afraid we have to hope that AT and JE remain healthy this year.
Overall, the positives outweigh the negatives. It was a solid start to the 2024 season.
tyrod was just as wasteful in 2022 when they were even more cap strapped, he got 1 chance to play and got hurt in his first series. right or wrong all 3 years they prioritized a veteran option on bench at QB early in FA, and after having watched the frommplosion i understand it even if i havent always agreed with their choices.
That either speaks volumes on how Jones is viewed, or someone had recently visited Kanye's dentist.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
I wouldn't assume anything with these decision makers in place.
Just go work in an NFL front office already. I mean, you're so great, you're really depriving the NFL and by extension the entire world of your talents by not having done so already.
God fucking damn your act is tired.
100% of the time Lock plays he's the worst quarterback playing in the NFL that day.
they signed him for 1 year 4.5m ahead of 2023, and somehow by virtue of some part luck of circumstances (kirk leaving MIN) and some part perception that he looked better on tape in his limited action, he got his salary doubled.
obviously there is no guarantee Lock works out, but i assume part of why they felt he was worth the risk is because he is still young and does have tools that give him upside. if they can successfully develop him and even if he only plays a very limited amount this year, he could bring them back a decent pick next year. that's not as much the case with older guys like trubisky/flacco.
100% of the time Lock plays he's the worst quarterback playing in the NFL that day.
he's not 100% the worst qb, it's probably more like 60% to tyrod's 50% which is why they first wanted tyrod. when there became a 2x difference in the years/guarantees they decided the value wasnt worth it.
credit where it's due, his 2 starts last year were against SF and PHI and he went 1-1 with 90+ qb ratings in both games.
If you are serious about competing for a championship and you have a guy with durability issues starting, you need to go get a durable and quality backup.
That's not Tyrod Taylor, but it's sure as fuck not Drew Lock.
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Tribusky got half the amount of money and Jimmy G got $2 million less. A flyer on Huntley would have provide more potential upside for a quarter of the cost. Even Mariota was probably a better option than Lock.
lock was a weird choice i wouldnt have made. by proxy of age alone he has more upside than the guys you mentioned, also better tools. i assume they rolled the dice on a younger guy with "upside" vs older guys who are better players because they felt comfortable also having devito as an option.
It’s a risky dice roll when the other options are a guy who is always hurt and a guy who probably isn’t any good.
If you are serious about competing for a championship and you have a guy with durability issues starting, you need to go get a durable and quality backup.
That's not Tyrod Taylor, but it's sure as fuck not Drew Lock.
so who would you have had them sign better and more durable than tyrod? if you are complaining about locks $5m, surely whoever checks those boxes is going to be worth more than that.
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Tribusky got half the amount of money and Jimmy G got $2 million less. A flyer on Huntley would have provide more potential upside for a quarter of the cost. Even Mariota was probably a better option than Lock.
lock was a weird choice i wouldnt have made. by proxy of age alone he has more upside than the guys you mentioned, also better tools. i assume they rolled the dice on a younger guy with "upside" vs older guys who are better players because they felt comfortable also having devito as an option.
It’s a risky dice roll when the other options are a guy who is always hurt and a guy who probably isn’t any good.
all dice rolls are risky. it's still less risky than a day 3 QB. just more expensive.
The Giants have had a terrible track record developing young players from at least the time Flaherty left.
Bricillo strikes me as the type of guy who isn't going to bitch about the resources invested in the group, but just focus on getting the best of the guys he has.
yep, and maybe he can add a different set of eyes on OL prospects in the draft and FA, where it already seems to be positive (after DG's awful trolling): fewer Day 1 and more Day 2/3 picks with his acumen to assess prospects he thinks he can develop. We get on Schoen a lot for his OL picks thus far, rightfully so, but some of that has to be he was working with the inherited, incumbent 'experts', no (he says hopefully)?
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
all dice rolls are risky. it's still less risky than a day 3 QB. just more expensive.
Don’t agree that it’s less risky in every scenario but hypothetically let’s say that’s true, rolling the dice on Lock when there were better options on the market is mismanagement.
Given Jones injury history they needed someone who could give them better than Tyrod/Devito gave them last year if they were dead set on bringing in a vet. Jimmy G, Tribusky, Winston, and Mariota all fit that description and Huntley probably fits that description with some potential upside.
same as ive said re lock, for pretty much any of the backup QBs who were available this offseason in FA or day 3 of draft my answer would be that devito should be #2. part of saving money on lock/tyrod was likely because they knew that was a distinct possibility. signing lock makes the most sense as a "what is the least we can spend on a guy who gives us a chance to win".
Brissett (if Taylor gets his second year)
Mariota
Tribusky
Flacco
Winston
Wentz
Jimmy G
Huntley
All give the Giants the same if not better chance to win than Lock. If it was about saving money and having as much of a chance to win as Taylor, they did a bad job finding that QB.
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all dice rolls are risky. it's still less risky than a day 3 QB. just more expensive.
Don’t agree that it’s less risky in every scenario but hypothetically let’s say that’s true, rolling the dice on Lock when there were better options on the market is mismanagement.
Given Jones injury history they needed someone who could give them better than Tyrod/Devito gave them last year if they were dead set on bringing in a vet. Jimmy G, Tribusky, Winston, and Mariota all fit that description and Huntley probably fits that description with some potential upside.
daboll has won games with 3 different qbs and was competitive against the NFC champs with davis freaking webb. lock wasnt my choice and hed be behind devito on my depth chart but calling his signing "mismanagement" after a few preseason drives seems a little over dramatic no?
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
The team isn’t going to lose someone who looks substantially better over that
I wouldn't assume anything with these decision makers in place.
Just go work in an NFL front office already. I mean, you're so great, you're really depriving the NFL and by extension the entire world of your talents by not having done so already.
God fucking damn your act is tired.
You don't need to be a savant to see the quality of the job these guys are doing; you just need to put the blue pom poms down. Sorry to make you sad.
There were 3 different ways to manage the QB room this spring:
1) bring in one of the top rookie QBs as the potential future
2) bring in a vet to legitimately compete for the QB who can be a competent backup.
3) bring in someone whose floor is higher than Devito’s because if Jones gets hurt, Devito probably isn’t good enough if you want to sneak into the playoffs
As of now, it looks like they did zero of those things. It’s safe to say they mismanaged the QB room from the vantage point we have at the moment.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
agree, lock is making the roster.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
The post you're replying to clearly says "if" so it seems like you might be punching at air here.
There were 3 different ways to manage the QB room this spring:
1) bring in one of the top rookie QBs as the potential future
2) bring in a vet to legitimately compete for the QB who can be a competent backup.
3) bring in someone whose floor is higher than Devito’s because if Jones gets hurt, Devito probably isn’t good enough if you want to sneak into the playoffs
As of now, it looks like they did zero of those things. It’s safe to say they mismanaged the QB room from the vantage point we have at the moment.
i get that you feel the need to call any move you disagree with "mismanagement" but that's just not reality. nobody bats 1.000. pointing out that out isnt defending the organization it's defending reality.
ive made at least 10 posts in this thread stipulating how little i like lock (and dozens of others stretching back to his draft year) so i hardly see how you view my comments as some kind of bias. one can not like lock while also accepting the reality that wishfully thinking a day 3 qb will be better than him (or devito) in their rookie year doesnt make it so.
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That's not really true.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
I’ve also given several alternatives to a day 3 pick, but if you want to only harp on that one - rolling the dice on a day 3 pick is a smarter decision than rolling the dice on Lock because in both scenarios you’re ending up with DeVito as your QB. The upside of molding the day 3 pick and the die landing on a favorable side has a larger payoff than rolling the dice on Lock and hoping year 5 is any different than years 1-4.
You say the Giants strategy was to find a backup who was cheaper than Taylor but that would still have a chance to win with. Even prior to those drives every Lock data point points to that not being what Lock is. If that was the strategy they either executed it poorly or their QB evaluation skills need a ton of improvement.
There were cheaper and better FA options on the market than paying Lock $5 million. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Lock being the only add to the QB room this spring was a mismanagement.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
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LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
I.laughed out loud reading this!
He was bad.
Just got fun got on Twitter and checked the thoughts of many people who cover this team for a living almost all mentioned ezedeu lowlight on the line so yeah not just me. He was categorically bad.
1,000 people saying the same stupid thing doesn't make it right. I guess they need to start teaching that in school.
Ezudu was textbook. Learn something.
Remind me. Weren't you the one who said yesterday that Gray was garbage and you couldn't wait till he got cut?
Yup.
Actually I said it was unfair but Grey showed me nothing last season, and I wanted the other guys to knock him off the roster. And guess what - Grey said the exact same thing in his press conference - said last year wasn't him and wanted to show the real Eric Grey. And the other guys showed great too. I couldn't have asked for better.
And your point is?
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The real reason why Flacco, Brissett, Minshew, etc weren’t signed is fairly obvious and it’s not about the money.
A team that gave Drew Lock $5 million wasn’t concerned about getting someone cheap.
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AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
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The real reason why Flacco, Brissett, Minshew, etc weren’t signed is fairly obvious and it’s not about the money.
A team that gave Drew Lock $5 million wasn’t concerned about getting someone cheap.
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LOL. Yes, Drew Lock, the guy with one win over the last two seasons as you pointed out above gives them a credible chance to win. Eric, I'd like to introduce you to my friend the shark. He's eager to gauge your jumping ability.
the only thing jumping the shark is any prior credibility i assumed you had to comprehend very basic numbers.
how many starts has your deity tyrod won the last 2 years? would you be surprised to realize it's just 1 more than lock at 2 (philly as you pointed out and the rousing 14-7 win vs washington).
was tyrod's 1 extra win worth an extra year guaranteed to you?
It's amazing the point is going over your head so easily given the launch angle of your water skis.
This isn't a Tyrod Taylor vs. Drew Lock question. Taylor has obvious durability issues and Drew Lock is abysmal.
If the Giants were as concerned about Jones's durability as Schoen expressed in Hard Knocks, the Giants should have pursued a more durable and better backup, even if that cost more money.
Minshew, Brissett, Darnold, Flacco, Trubisky, and Mariota have all exhibited a better combination of durability and ability than Taylor or Lock.
The response will be something around Minshew getting $25 million over two years, but if the Giants end up moving on from Jones and drafting a QB, they’re probably signing a backup to a similar contract that Minshew would be on for next year.
i do genuinely appreciate that you're at least taking the time to see obvious counterpoints. every guy on the list above has pros/cons, and every back up is generally going to have more cons than pros which is why they are all back ups who've passed through 2-3-4 different organizations. if picking flawed backups were the criteria for "mismanagement" every team in the nfl is mismanaged.
However, it is pretty clear that Lock is a waste of time and money on the QB depth chart. If he plays, his biggest contribution will be that he improves our draft position in 2025.
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That's not really true.
Ezeudu did not practice at LT at during camp last year. They threw him out at LT early in 2023 when Thomas went down. He played five games before ending up on IR again.
So if you equate no camp and five games with "plenty", I guess you could have a point.
Not to mention, he says that Ezeuda should not see the field until he proves that he can do it against staters. Hmmm. Makes it difficult to prove that if he’s not allowed on the field, no?
If you read my post you'll see I said 'should not see the field in a regular season game'. There are two more preseason games for him to get reps against another team's starters. And a practice against the Jets. And some more practice in pads. How is he doing against Burns and Thibs, if he is even getting the chance? All we read is about Burns and Thibs against Thomas.
This is a guy who looked terrible at tackle last year and nearly got Jones killed.
So who’s the judge of whether he has proven it or not? If he’s doing it in practice and you don’t know about it is it ok for Daboll to make that decision without your consent?
Saying he shouldn’t see the field until he proves it is the most obvious thing on the planet if you’re ok with practice being the gauge of that, no? You think if he gets consistent reps at tackle and is getting beat like a drum time after time after time he’s seeing the field?
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
If the design was go cheap and go healthy, I'm surprised they didn't opt for DeVito as the presumptive backup, and a roster bubble guy like Tyler Huntley.
Lock in all scenarios is a head scratcher. If they drafted Maye, Lock sucks and is the 3rd QB.
If they don't draft Maye, Lock sucks and is the 2nd QB.
And in all scenarios he costs 5M and is not better than DeVito.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
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The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
Brissett (if Taylor gets his second year)
Mariota
Tribusky
Flacco
Winston
Wentz
Jimmy G
Huntley
All give the Giants the same if not better chance to win than Lock. If it was about saving money and having as much of a chance to win as Taylor, they did a bad job finding that QB.
Jimmy G and Flacco are the only guys on that list that would be clear upgrades over Lock/ Devito. Maybe Trubisky. Maybe Mariota. Maybe. You also don't know if any of these guys wanted to come here or were realistic options. FA isn't a slam dunk. Players do try and go where they want to go. Who knows. I see their FA contracts are in the same ballpark to what Lock got here but you don't know thay they come here for the same exact cost. It's NY. It's different here we should all know that by now. To assume player A comes here for the same deal is crazy.
I get it, but DeVito has a limited ceiling. So considering him to be a "development" guy is not a great long term investment. I would rather rotate high ceiling guys through the quarterback room annually until we find our elite guy. Clearly, the top three guys were out of reach in 2024, but Schoen could have initiated the process with a high ceiling guy like Milton which would have only cost a late day three pick.
Unfortunately, it appears after last night that Lock may be the "development" guy and DeVito may be the backup in 2024.
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AJ, you're trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
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this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
This is just the latest chapter in LI's novella What Other Choice Did They Have?: How The Giants Rationalized Sucking at Quarterback
this is actually just the latest chapter in how mentally imprisoned you are to making any mole hill into the same daniel jones arguments we've all seen one thousand times before and werent in need of in the post game thread of the first preseason game he didnt even play in.
yesterday it's twisting yourself into an intellectually dishonest pretzel hypothesizing azeez ojulari's next contract, today it's drew lock having a bad quarter. cant wait to see what next triggers you tomorrow.
You were making more sense earlier little buddy.
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since 2021 drew lock has gone 1-4 while throwing 5 tds and 5 ints in his 5 starts (10 total games).
Azeez Ojulari isn't getting paid like a top 10 edge rusher, Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback on a poor contract, and Drew Lock sucks monkey butt.
I'm here all weekend to help you untwist your own knots.
If there was a RAS chart of me vs. you, I'd be all green baby. Go take a screen shot of that post it for yourself, sucker!
you have really gone off the deep end. i missed whatever put you in timeout a few weeks ago but seems like you may not have taken advantage of whatever perspective came from taking a step back.
I think your sense of humor needs as much work as your view on backup quarterbacks.
But to avoid the risk of getting another time out for being the delightful character that I am, I'll give you the last word.
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D was very poor the last seven games. I wouldn't take a lot from offensive performances against them whoever the QB was.
Logic alert. Logic alert. Be aware logic has entered this stupid ass discussion.
So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
. What about the Ravens win where Jones OUTPLAYED Jackson. OR the GB game. Or the Jags game. Or both Vikings game where he put up good numbers.
How the fuck can you summon up the daily energy to rehash the same stupid ass shit ill never know. Focus on inside Knicks info it's much more beneficial to mankind.
You brought up Daniel Jones in this thread when he wasn’t even being talked about in your post before that.
I’ll focus on whatever the fuck I want to, thank you very much.
Dude you said "So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
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Done bye.
I was watching for line of scrimmage/run game and run defense, and defense was flying around all night.
I’d say Daboll should be quite pleased with what he saw last night.
Backup quarterback is kinda of important when your boy doesn’t stay healthy.
Dude you said "So that applies to the Vikings game too then?
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Done bye.
I suggest reading your own post from 12:35
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The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota.
The same Philly team Taylor put a gem on in week 18.
But again, the problem is Lock vs. Taylor. The problem is having a low level backup when the GM was ready to replace the starter due to durability concerns.
Lock has had what, maybe 2 good games in his entire career. Jones had a good season in 22. Not one damn game.
So tiring.
Nowhere in that post did it say Lock has had more success than Jones. It’s not even a Lock vs Jones post
It's like breathing for you. You forget it because you literally do it every single second.
"The only game in recent memory a guy gets more miles on than Lock vs. Philly, is Jones vs. Minnesota."
Thx for trying. It's ok, we all have our phobias.
Christian’s post had more to do with Lock than Jones, even Christian would tell you that Lock is worse than Jones
Christian’s post had more to do with Lock than Jones, even Christian would tell you that Lock is worse than Jones
This is a post-game thread about a game Jones didn't play in.
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Went completely over your head and you had a conniption about it.
Christian’s post had more to do with Lock than Jones, even Christian would tell you that Lock is worse than Jones
This is a post-game thread about a game Jones didn't play in.
Nobody is debating Jones in this thread. DJM just didn’t understand a post.
Just win in 24.
Just win in 24.
And yet you chose to. Focus on browsing and not posting, much more beneficial to mankind.
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I didn't have to respond and start more shit.
Just win in 24.
And yet you chose to. Focus on browsing and not posting, much more beneficial to mankind.
I was trying to be nice. Maybe if you didn't vomit the same shit on every thread you wouldn't be pulled into so many arguments.
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I didn't have to respond and start more shit.
Just win in 24.
And yet you chose to. Focus on browsing and not posting, much more beneficial to mankind.
I was trying to be nice. Maybe if you didn't vomit the same shit on every thread you wouldn't be pulled into so many arguments.
The irony here is extremely rich. 90% of your posts are just bitching about what other people post.
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
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is he has $5 mill gtd. Not going anywhere.
But DeVito look much better tonight.
agree, lock is making the roster.
but if/when season is over and DJ injury guarantees come into focus, play devito...
You're a real optimist, huh? Is it possible that with a legit OL coach, decent OL, very good WR corps (3 things DJ's never had), that, oh I don't know, maybe Jones leads them to the playoffs and even wins 1 or more playoff games?
Is that really so crazy?
The post you're replying to clearly says "if" so it seems like you might be punching at air here.
When you add the "/when", it implies to me you think there's a good chance it's going to happen. Otherwise, why not just say "if" without the "/when"?
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shame for the regimes draft picks, but there are better players on the roster than them for the big 9 OL spots.
McKethan, probably. Ezeudu? What were you watching?
he looked bad at T. hes not a T.
i think he had a shot at being a good G, but he never settled in at one position and now hes going to get cut or have to be given a roster scholarship.
i watched every snap.
Were you wearing an eye patch? Do you not know his number? Have you fallen and can't get up? Good fucking Christ you half wit, Ezeudu was dominant at LT. Lock stepped BACK in the pocket to a guy he had ridden outside and I'm guessing that's what your barely functioning eyes register as game long success. Big blue may rise, let's hope you don't tomorrow or you lose power so we don't have to read your inane ramblings. Have a good night you nincompoop.
You are one angry person. Go outside & touch grass. Or get a woman. But please us all a favor & stop being just a miserable prick.
God forbid people voice their opinions. And if you disagree, you don't need to call them 'half wit' or 'nincompoop'.
Ok let me do your way. "Dear poster, I disagree with your assessment and that is all" Happy now you miserable turd? Insufferable assholes are everywhere. Pssst..I mean you! And have a good night! I don't dislike you, I just think you are being uptight and judging harshly but do you man. Age quod agis
What a terrible thing to say about their dog.
- babbel > rosetta stone