Answer now or please STFU
I keep hearing - if JJM, Penix or Nix turn out to be franchise QBs, then Schoen really fked up.
But- he could have only drafted one (and then would not have Nabers).
So, instead of whining about the 3 QBs he should have taken - go on record now-
WHICH QB SHOULD THE GIANTS HAVE DRAFTED
(And no Caleb, Daniel’s for Maye)
IE Nabers must be the right because the professionals made it and they had conviction and as the poster put it everyone else should STFU.
But if you want to be that kind of annoying person carrying around largely useless additions to a conversation then you must also accept that if those experts prove wrong they deserve criticism.
QB is the most important position on the field if we missed a guy that could have been our future to continue to trot out our below average, off injured QB fans deserve to criticize. We aren’t paid to do this, but many of us do pay to support it.
Sorry if you’d rather worship false idols but some of us just want people to perform well to be supportive as fans. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept for people to get or why you are so angry and defensive about people being held accountable
IE Nabers must be the right because the professionals made it and they had conviction and as the poster put it everyone else should STFU.
But if you want to be that kind of annoying person carrying around largely useless additions to a conversation then you must also accept that if those experts prove wrong they deserve criticism.
QB is the most important position on the field if we missed a guy that could have been our future to continue to trot out our below average, off injured QB fans deserve to criticize. We aren’t paid to do this, but many of us do pay to support it.
Sorry if you’d rather worship false idols but some of us just want people to perform well to be supportive as fans. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept for people to get or why you are so angry and defensive about people being held accountable
Excellent mumbo jumbo POV!
I'm guessing the league was fine with Penix's health.
Didn’t something come out during the combine that teams were fine by his medical checks?
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really as a way to avoid any accountability for the decision making because they don’t like people criticizing the team.
IE Nabers must be the right because the professionals made it and they had conviction and as the poster put it everyone else should STFU.
But if you want to be that kind of annoying person carrying around largely useless additions to a conversation then you must also accept that if those experts prove wrong they deserve criticism.
QB is the most important position on the field if we missed a guy that could have been our future to continue to trot out our below average, off injured QB fans deserve to criticize. We aren’t paid to do this, but many of us do pay to support it.
Sorry if you’d rather worship false idols but some of us just want people to perform well to be supportive as fans. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept for people to get or why you are so angry and defensive about people being held accountable
Excellent mumbo jumbo POV!
So you give someone a non-response and accuse them of mumbo jumbo? I’m sorry people like you have their heads too far up the Giants FO’s bums they can’t see what it looks like to breath the free air
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really as a way to avoid any accountability for the decision making because they don’t like people criticizing the team.
IE Nabers must be the right because the professionals made it and they had conviction and as the poster put it everyone else should STFU.
But if you want to be that kind of annoying person carrying around largely useless additions to a conversation then you must also accept that if those experts prove wrong they deserve criticism.
QB is the most important position on the field if we missed a guy that could have been our future to continue to trot out our below average, off injured QB fans deserve to criticize. We aren’t paid to do this, but many of us do pay to support it.
Sorry if you’d rather worship false idols but some of us just want people to perform well to be supportive as fans. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept for people to get or why you are so angry and defensive about people being held accountable
Excellent mumbo jumbo POV!
So you give someone a non-response and accuse them of mumbo jumbo? I’m sorry people like you have their heads too far up the Giants FO’s bums they can’t see what it looks like to breath the free air
Re-read your post. Then explain to me what your point is. It is mumbo jumbo - a confusing mass of words. I haven't a clue as to what you are saying.
What I am saying is I am not qualified to say "they should have taken player x instead" because *I* don't have enough knowledge to know.
I am NOT saying Nabers was the right pick simply because Schoen made it. lol. If Nabers busts and Jones doesn't play better with better talent around him and the Giants are picking top 10 again in 2025, I think Schoen and Daboll's jobs should be on the line.
I am just not arrogant enough to believe my opinion matters enough to "go on record" like it's a threat.
You and everyone else in the US (I will not include our UK brethren in here for reasons I won't mention) are of course free to opine on what you would do and denigrate the picks that were made and people who made them all you want.
I choose not to and I do think almost all the fans are pretty clueless. So who gives a shit who goes "on record"?
does that clarify it or will we get another word salad?
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
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...IE Nabers must be the right because the professionals made it and they had conviction and as the poster put it everyone else should STFU. ..
What I am saying is I am not qualified to say "they should have taken player x instead" because *I* don't have enough knowledge to know.
I am NOT saying Nabers was the right pick simply because Schoen made it. lol. If Nabers busts and Jones doesn't play better with better talent around him and the Giants are picking top 10 again in 2025, I think Schoen and Daboll's jobs should be on the line.
I am just not arrogant enough to believe my opinion matters enough to "go on record" like it's a threat.
You and everyone else in the US (I will not include our UK brethren in here for reasons I won't mention) are of course free to opine on what you would do and denigrate the picks that were made and people who made them all you want.
I choose not to and I do think almost all the fans are pretty clueless. So who gives a shit who goes "on record"?
does that clarify it or will we get another word salad?
I wasn’t at all talking to you. I think this go on record stuff is dumb. The Giants should be held accountable for being right or wrong regardless of people’s draft prognostications
But very happy with Nabers, and pleasantly surprised to hear how well Jones is doing in training camp.
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
That was a clearer post, thank you.
About me, you are semi-right. I do trust them a hell of a lot more than the couch potatoes(means all of us) posting their opinions as fact. Some posters are one trick ponies and cannot see the forest because of the trees, especially on QB. Most of us, probably vast majority, do not think highly of Jones. However, getting a QB in the 1st round to take a QB is stupid especially when a guy like Nabers is there.
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
You lost all credibility with “this bozo”.
If I had to choose between those 3 QBs at 6 I would have taken JJ. To me the WR selection had more value.
I think that McCarthy will be the best QB of the draft.
His greatest asset was also a liability.
JJM is only 21. You have to project his upside and he may not be ready to start for a year.
The Giants pay scouts, analysts and front office personnel a lot of money to make these decisions. They need to get it right. Time will tell if they did.
The “tell me who you wanted right now or STFU” stuff sounds like an angry 6 year old throwing a tantrum on the floor. Delete this and stop embarrassing yourself.
Admittedly, both a selfish and futile attempt.
Do you have a Plan B?
Yeah, but we also heard Schoen spout some foolishness about scouting QBs differently, and that NY was somehow tougher for QBs.
Can we agree that Schoen is past the "I was there when Josh Allen was drafted" seal of freshness? What are we doing here at QB? And I'm not just talking about Jones.
i disagree with the ny stuff being foolishness - just look across town at the foolishness they've suffered from sanchez through wilson.
i personally dont tie QB decisions to schoen as much as daboll. he is the QB expert. either he is asserting that expertise or he is a passenger who will fail. that's why he was clearly the one leading the QB interviews.
Do you have a Plan B?
Unfortunately, no.
Do you have a Plan B?
Unfortunately, no.
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Yeah, but we also heard Schoen spout some foolishness about scouting QBs differently, and that NY was somehow tougher for QBs.
Can we agree that Schoen is past the "I was there when Josh Allen was drafted" seal of freshness? What are we doing here at QB? And I'm not just talking about Jones.
i disagree with the ny stuff being foolishness - just look across town at the foolishness they've suffered from sanchez through wilson.
i personally dont tie QB decisions to schoen as much as daboll. he is the QB expert. either he is asserting that expertise or he is a passenger who will fail. that's why he was clearly the one leading the QB interviews.
GT is the one spouting foolishness. With QBs failing left and right, perhaps a different scouting method on drafting QBs is warranted.
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that the Giants have hired professionals to make decisions and fan opinions are irrelevant next to the “experts.”
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
That was a clearer post, thank you.
About me, you are semi-right. I do trust them a hell of a lot more than the couch potatoes(means all of us) posting their opinions as fact. Some posters are one trick ponies and cannot see the forest because of the trees, especially on QB. Most of us, probably vast majority, do not think highly of Jones. However, getting a QB in the 1st round to take a QB is stupid especially when a guy like Nabers is there.
I think that is reasonable. Everyone should be allowed to trust as much or as little as they feel comfortable with. We need to be more respectful of that around here if people don’t share that.
Where we disagree is calling people couch potatoes because they aren’t football professionals. A lot of people can be successful in careers leaning on analytical abilities that would make their inferences better than even average performers in the NFL.
I don’t know what is so hard to understand about that, these people aren’t of any remote level of genius. They exposed themselves on hard knocks. People on BBI are certainly capable of putting in better thought, you should respect people’s beliefs on that not talk down to them because you revere the Giants front office more than them
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that the Giants have hired professionals to make decisions and fan opinions are irrelevant next to the “experts.”
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
That was a clearer post, thank you.
About me, you are semi-right. I do trust them a hell of a lot more than the couch potatoes(means all of us) posting their opinions as fact. Some posters are one trick ponies and cannot see the forest because of the trees, especially on QB. Most of us, probably vast majority, do not think highly of Jones. However, getting a QB in the 1st round to take a QB is stupid especially when a guy like Nabers is there.
I think that is reasonable. Everyone should be allowed to trust as much or as little as they feel comfortable with. We need to be more respectful of that around here if people don’t share that.
Where we disagree is calling people couch potatoes because they aren’t football professionals. A lot of people can be successful in careers leaning on analytical abilities that would make their inferences better than even average performers in the NFL.
I don’t know what is so hard to understand about that, these people aren’t of any remote level of genius. They exposed themselves on hard knocks. People on BBI are certainly capable of putting in better thought, you should respect people’s beliefs on that not talk down to them because you revere the Giants front office more than them
What was “exposed “ on Hard Knocks?
Where we disagree is calling people couch potatoes because they aren’t football professionals. A lot of people can be successful in careers leaning on analytical abilities that would make their inferences better than even average performers in the NFL.
I don’t know what is so hard to understand about that, these people aren’t of any remote level of genius. They exposed themselves on hard knocks. People on BBI are certainly capable of putting in better thought, you should respect people’s beliefs on that not talk down to them because you revere the Giants front office more than them
Maybe it is you that should step back. I don't "revere" the FO and haven't a clue where that comes from. That I believe the FO knows better than 99% of BBI is simply the fact that if all the BBIers were that good, they'd be in the business scouting or coaching. Some have coached and have a better eye than I do, obviously.
Not sure what you saw on Hard Knocks but that is a wild take to believe BBIers know more than the pros. Some throw a lot against the wall and some of it sticks, true. Lot of smart people here whose opinions I do respect. Some are clowns and one trick ponies.
But since we beat that horse to death, I will leave it there.
We've seen proof of that with the tennants.
I wasn’t against taking a QB. Barring one or nearly miraculous developments (DJ staying healthy and raising his game; Lock improving dramatically; DeVito becoming a starting-caliber QB), they’re going to need one after this season. They know that. Please, please not Dak. I just didn’t want any of them enough to pay the price to get them. Apparently the Giants felt the same way.
I might have gone for a developmental QB in the middle rounds but they have too many needs. And apparently they like DeVito so he’s their developmental prospect.
Sorry, not allowed to have that opinion....
I wonder if there is a scenario where Schoen goes but Daboll stays.
we just got a better look at it than any fanbase ever has with HK. we saw daboll drilling all the QBs on terminology, how they'd make sight adjustments, on their thought process, their favorite plays, and just generally processing information. we saw like 2 minutes each of what were hours and hours of that. that's the how.
we can all state our preferences as we have in this thread based on what we see, but the off field is obviously foreign to us. We dont see 99.9% of what they see and even if we did we arent qualified to understand it. thanks to HK we got to see all their designations on the final draft picks board so we will have our chance to see how they did.
We never got an answer but in the 2nd to last Hard Knocks episode, it was strongly implied Minnesota offered the Giants picks 11 and 23.
In that scenario I would want them to pick Nic at 11 and Thomas at 23.
I said prior to the draft that if they couldn’t swing the trade with NE for Maye, they should consider swapping #6 for Minny’s 2 1st rounders. I think Nabers is going to be a stud, but getting 2 starters would have been the better play, IMO.
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that the Giants have hired professionals to make decisions and fan opinions are irrelevant next to the “experts.”
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
That was a clearer post, thank you.
About me, you are semi-right. I do trust them a hell of a lot more than the couch potatoes(means all of us) posting their opinions as fact. Some posters are one trick ponies and cannot see the forest because of the trees, especially on QB. Most of us, probably vast majority, do not think highly of Jones. However, getting a QB in the 1st round to take a QB is stupid especially when a guy like Nabers is there.
I think that is reasonable. Everyone should be allowed to trust as much or as little as they feel comfortable with. We need to be more respectful of that around here if people don’t share that.
Where we disagree is calling people couch potatoes because they aren’t football professionals. A lot of people can be successful in careers leaning on analytical abilities that would make their inferences better than even average performers in the NFL.
I don’t know what is so hard to understand about that, these people aren’t of any remote level of genius. They exposed themselves on hard knocks. People on BBI are certainly capable of putting in better thought, you should respect people’s beliefs on that not talk down to them because you revere the Giants front office more than them
What was “exposed “ on Hard Knocks?
I’ve actually answered this question for you already. If you don’t even bother to remember conversations you’ve had it isn’t my job to remind you
We never got an answer but in the 2nd to last Hard Knocks episode, it was strongly implied Minnesota offered the Giants picks 11 and 23.
In that scenario I would want them to pick Nic at 11 and Thomas at 23.
I said prior to the draft that if they couldn’t swing the trade with NE for Maye, they should consider swapping #6 for Minny’s 2 1st rounders. I think Nabers is going to be a stud, but getting 2 starters would have been the better play, IMO.
I agree, and I thought pound for pound Nabers pretty close to MHJr as the best player in the draft, regardless of position.
But resetting the clock with a red chip quarterback and a play making receiver in his own right would have been an excellent outcome.
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that the Giants have hired professionals to make decisions and fan opinions are irrelevant next to the “experts.”
Then those professionals should get things right and if not be held accountable.
Not complicated. This bozo thinks fans need to be smarter than the professionals or they have no right to criticize. Then you have people like yourself on the other side acting like the Giants should be trusted when they haven’t earned that trust.
A lot of poor logic, no mumbo jumbo
That was a clearer post, thank you.
About me, you are semi-right. I do trust them a hell of a lot more than the couch potatoes(means all of us) posting their opinions as fact. Some posters are one trick ponies and cannot see the forest because of the trees, especially on QB. Most of us, probably vast majority, do not think highly of Jones. However, getting a QB in the 1st round to take a QB is stupid especially when a guy like Nabers is there.
I think that is reasonable. Everyone should be allowed to trust as much or as little as they feel comfortable with. We need to be more respectful of that around here if people don’t share that.
Where we disagree is calling people couch potatoes because they aren’t football professionals. A lot of people can be successful in careers leaning on analytical abilities that would make their inferences better than even average performers in the NFL.
I don’t know what is so hard to understand about that, these people aren’t of any remote level of genius. They exposed themselves on hard knocks. People on BBI are certainly capable of putting in better thought, you should respect people’s beliefs on that not talk down to them because you revere the Giants front office more than them
What was “exposed “ on Hard Knocks?
I’ve actually answered this question for you already. If you don’t even bother to remember conversations you’ve had it isn’t my job to remind you
Great response and if you think that a heavily edited content or us seeing less then 1% of the FO’s an actual decision making process shows them to be exposed….then you were obviously dropped on your head as a child
Keep going beck to board members have greater knowledge of the game than an NFL front office😂😂😂
Que the predicable schill for the front office response
If Daboll thinks he can work with any QB he's welcome to start doing that any time.
I wonder if there is a scenario where Schoen goes but Daboll stays.
I agree.
When Daboll was brought in I thought he would get his guy to delvelop.
Seems crazy to fire him before he gets the chance, as that seems to among his real strengths.
But if DJ does not light it up - they HAVE to get that guy in 2025…right?