Regardless of how anyone projects the results, I don't think Jones is getting enough credit for a downright remarkable recovery. He the extreme aggressive end of his return window with no real limitations yet.
Agreed.
Rooting for the dude. Put up or shut up.
I don’t understand the logic. At the end of 2022, Jones was playing genuinely well. The next season he was dreadful, even beyond the OL issues. Why would a decent 2024 convince anyone it had consequences for 2025?
Fool me once.
It is literally not possible to separate 2022's QB play from the OL issues.
All things considered the Giants have had a relatively healthy lead up to the season.
Hopefully Daboll has found the right balance of reps and rest.
One of the reporters noted that our projected starting OL hasn't played a single snap together yet because of injuries. And then there's Nabers, Cager, Nubin, Johnson, Dru, Lock, Flott. So while nothing catastrophic yet, far from injury free
It's BAU. No matter what they do - musical chairs. Almost every day with a new starting OL. And, of course, Nabers is hurt now and may not play in the only preseason game DJ will. Just once, it would be nice to get good injury fortune.
On another note - is it odd that 3 interior OL have "shoulder" issues? Could it be having to block that monster Dexter Lawrence every day? I wonder.
It’s funny when a lineman measured at 308 LBs is labeled undersized. To me, it means the overall frame size is as important as weight. Andrew Thomas weighs in at 315 and looks big. More than just a 7 lb weight advantage. Kubas - ( New Window )
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
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Malik Nabers watching practice #Giants. Only thing to really glean is that he has no extra support on the left ankle, although all he did was stretch obviously
Art Stapleton
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Malik Nabers spent most of practice presumably getting treatment and rehabbing his ankle with training staff out of our vantage point. Just came out to sideline near end of practice. No visible limp like the other day. #Giants100
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
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#Giants100 Singletary on Tracy - very.difficult to see him go down...worked so hard....lot of potential...was off to.good start
Dan Duggan
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Giants have three healthy RB with Tyrone Tracy suffering an apparent major leg/ankle injury and Dante Miller limited by a hamstring injury. Have to assume they’ll bring back recently cut Jacob Saylors just to get through Saturday’s preseason game. But probably need to consider signing a vet for the season with the state of the RB room.
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
What is going on? Guys are dropping like crazy.
It's been like this in camp since they eliminated 2 a days. Hell even before that.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Nabers - at first when he turned his ankle "it was no big deal"..."i dont think it's serious"...rules out high ankle sprain
he SHOULD be better. Good enough? THAT I highly doubt.
We can pretty much guarantee that by the end of the season, you will all be complaining about the wideouts and the o-line again this season. It's been Jones' history going back to when was at Duke.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Nabers - "no doubt" he will play vs vikings in wk 1....wants to get back to full so he can practice at high speed
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#Giants100 Nabers - wants to take advantage of every game rep so he is bummed ....xray and mri on ankle was a huge relief "said it was really nothing, just take some rehab time"....did some jogging today with no wrap on it
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#Giants100 Nabers - it is bad when a guy coming to a new team gets hurt...prayers with tracy for a speedy recovery....he is valuable catching the ball out of backfield
he SHOULD be better. Good enough? THAT I highly doubt.
We can pretty much guarantee that by the end of the season, you will all be complaining about the wideouts and the o-line again this season. It's been Jones' history going back to when was at Duke.
What's your evaluation of the Giants OL and receivers over the past 5 years?
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants have three healthy RB with Tyrone Tracy suffering an apparent major leg/ankle injury and Dante Miller limited by a hamstring injury. Have to assume they’ll bring back recently cut Jacob Saylors just to get through Saturday’s preseason game. But probably need to consider signing a vet for the season with the state of the RB room.
Thankfully Gray showed what he could do this past Thursday.
thoughts about the Giants using the waiver wire for a VET RB (on our camp/ roster) video may now be coming true for the wrong reason.
Keep an eye on KC. We have WR's, they could be in the market for a WR and they have RB's (CEH could be available).
I do not think they will go someplace that will increase the payroll, at this point in time.
If they go for a vet RB, it will be a vet minimum or close.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants have three healthy RB with Tyrone Tracy suffering an apparent major leg/ankle injury and Dante Miller limited by a hamstring injury. Have to assume they’ll bring back recently cut Jacob Saylors just to get through Saturday’s preseason game. But probably need to consider signing a vet for the season with the state of the RB room.
Thankfully Gray showed what he could do this past Thursday.
What bums me out is that I’ve seen Tracey singled out for blitz pickups more than once. Not sure Gray or Turbo are at the same level.
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#Giants100 Daboll - jmc returns to center today but will be limited....van roten to RG and stinnie at LG.....neal RT with second team
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Theo Johnson had an excellent practice today. Expect him to be targeted often Saturday against Houston
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Some notes from today's practice:
-JMS (1s) and Evan Neal (2s) had some reps as their ramp up continues.
-Jalin Hyatt is a different receiver this season. Gets off LOS better, running crisper routes, showing confidence in offense.
-Tae Banks got beat deep again today. He's the No. 1 CB and has had an up and down camp.
-For the most part, Daniel had a clean pocket to work with and showed nice rhythm connecting with a vertical to Slayton (beating Banks), beautiful deep cross to Hyatt and nice dig to Wan'Dale. DeVito connected with Theo Johnson on a seam
thoughts about the Giants using the waiver wire for a VET RB (on our camp/ roster) video may now be coming true for the wrong reason.
Keep an eye on KC. We have WR's, they could be in the market for a WR and they have RB's (CEH could be available).
CEH hasnt been good, but more seriously is currently dealing with some serious personal issues. Worth searching to read about what he's dealing with regarding the death of a friend and how he's still coping with it.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Notes from today's practice:
• Obviously the Tyrone Tracy injury overshadows everything today. But I thought this was Daniel Jones' best practice of camp, especially considering he didn't have the Malik Nabers safety net.
When Jones has had strong practices this camp, it's mostly because he's hit on a few deep balls with everything else being underneath. Today was more impressive because he was drilling intermediate throws with good velocity/touch/timing.
The ball touched the ground three times on his 13 attempts today: A batted pass by Dexter Lawrence and drops by Jalin Hyatt and Chris Manhertz on well-thrown slants.
Jones fired a dig route into a tight window to Hyatt. He had a perfectly placed deep crosser to Darius Slayton along the sideline over Kayvon Thibodeaux, who was dropping in coverage. The deep balls will be huge, but those are the types of throws he needs to make more consistently.
• All of the focus has been on the question at CB2. Maybe that's because it's too scary to think about what it'll mean if Deonte Banks isn't ready to be a true CB1. He got beat by Slayton on a go route on the second play of practice. That's happened enough in camp to cause some uneasiness about Banks heading into a season with huge expectations.
• The rotating on the O-line continued with John Michael Schmitz easing back into the mix. Schmitz started at C with Greg Van Roten at RG. After two reps, Van Roten would shift to C and Jake Kubas would come in at RG. Austin Schlottmann also got some reps at first-team C. Austin Stinnie was at LG with Jon Runyan (shoulder) sitting out.
Evan Neal followed a similar pattern with the second-team OL, playing two reps at RT before subbing out.
• Eric Gray showed his burst on the 48-yard TD run in the preseason opener and it was evident repeatedly today. Giants are going to need Gray to step up after Tracy's injury.
• *Allen* Robinson caught six passes from Tommy DeVito with the backups. He got behind Jason Pinnock (rotating with backups due to safety injuries) on a deep post for a TD. I don't see a path to a roster spot for Robinson, but he's a true professional WR. He manages to get open and catches everything. Would be ideal to stash him on the P-squad for depth.
• Isaiah Simmons got most of the slot corner reps with the starters with Dru Phillips (ankle) sidelined again. David Long also mixed in.
• Think I saw Tyler Nubin mix in with the starting defense for a few reps. Ton of rotating at safety with only four healthy bodies, but notable because he had strictly worked with the backups previously.
• Jude McAtamney drilled a 58-yard field goal. Graham Gano's job is safe, but the undrafted rookie has impressive leg strength. Good player to stash on the P-squad with the international exemption.
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Some notes from today's practice:
-JMS (1s) and Evan Neal (2s) had some reps as their ramp up continues.
-Jalin Hyatt is a different receiver this season. Gets off LOS better, running crisper routes, showing confidence in offense.
-Tae Banks got beat deep again today. He's the No. 1 CB and has had an up and down camp.
-For the most part, Daniel had a clean pocket to work with and showed nice rhythm connecting with a vertical to Slayton (beating Banks), beautiful deep cross to Hyatt and nice dig to Wan'Dale. DeVito connected with Theo Johnson on a seam
I forget where I read or heard that there were some concerns with banks not making the leap. We really need him to be good
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
As noted on @SportsCenter
, there is hope that Tyrone Tracy Jr.’s leg injury is not as bad as it looked. He was put into an air cast and taken off on a cart. Already back in meetings. A sigh of relief.
there has been nothing but positive news on Hyatt. Unless you are talking about other Giants fans who moan and bitch.
I didn’t make my point well - really just trying to say Wandale has a spot locked down. I think the giants top 3 is set and if Slayton is pushing them, that’s a good place to be
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Regardless of how anyone projects the results, I don't think Jones is getting enough credit for a downright remarkable recovery. He the extreme aggressive end of his return window with no real limitations yet.
Agreed.
Rooting for the dude. Put up or shut up.
I don’t understand the logic. At the end of 2022, Jones was playing genuinely well. The next season he was dreadful, even beyond the OL issues. Why would a decent 2024 convince anyone it had consequences for 2025?
Fool me once.
It is literally not possible to separate 2022's QB play from the OL issues.
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All things considered the Giants have had a relatively healthy lead up to the season.
Hopefully Daboll has found the right balance of reps and rest.
One of the reporters noted that our projected starting OL hasn't played a single snap together yet because of injuries. And then there's Nabers, Cager, Nubin, Johnson, Dru, Lock, Flott. So while nothing catastrophic yet, far from injury free
It's BAU. No matter what they do - musical chairs. Almost every day with a new starting OL. And, of course, Nabers is hurt now and may not play in the only preseason game DJ will. Just once, it would be nice to get good injury fortune.
On another note - is it odd that 3 interior OL have "shoulder" issues? Could it be having to block that monster Dexter Lawrence every day? I wonder.
Eric - I promise this is my last Jones comment on this thread.
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All things considered the Giants have had a relatively healthy lead up to the season.
Bite your tongue!
Dammit Klaatu!!!!
Re: Tracey
Its really fucking mind boggling how these guys get hurt.
It’s funny when a lineman measured at 308 LBs is labeled undersized. To me, it means the overall frame size is as important as weight. Andrew Thomas weighs in at 315 and looks big. More than just a 7 lb weight advantage.
Kubas - ( New Window )
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All things considered the Giants have had a relatively healthy lead up to the season.
Bite your tongue!
Forget that. Cut his tongue off.
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
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Malik Nabers watching practice #Giants. Only thing to really glean is that he has no extra support on the left ankle, although all he did was stretch obviously
@art_stapleton
Malik Nabers spent most of practice presumably getting treatment and rehabbing his ankle with training staff out of our vantage point. Just came out to sideline near end of practice. No visible limp like the other day. #Giants100
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
What is going on? Guys are dropping like crazy.
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
What is going on? Guys are dropping like crazy.
This happens every year.
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#Giants100 Singletary on Tracy - very.difficult to see him go down...worked so hard....lot of potential...was off to.good start
@DDuggan21
Giants have three healthy RB with Tyrone Tracy suffering an apparent major leg/ankle injury and Dante Miller limited by a hamstring injury. Have to assume they’ll bring back recently cut Jacob Saylors just to get through Saturday’s preseason game. But probably need to consider signing a vet for the season with the state of the RB room.
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On the injury: Tyrone Tracy was deep as kickoff returner. Muffed the catch, reached down to pick the ball up and his lower leg buckled. You could tell it was serious from jump. He really had been working into a significant role on this offense behind Motor Singletary. #Giants100
What is going on? Guys are dropping like crazy.
It's been like this in camp since they eliminated 2 a days. Hell even before that.
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#Giants100 Nabers - at first when he turned his ankle "it was no big deal"..."i dont think it's serious"...rules out high ankle sprain
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Nabers - "no doubt" he will play vs vikings in wk 1....wants to get back to full so he can practice at high speed
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#Giants100 Nabers - wants to take advantage of every game rep so he is bummed ....xray and mri on ankle was a huge relief "said it was really nothing, just take some rehab time"....did some jogging today with no wrap on it
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#Giants100 Nabers - it is bad when a guy coming to a new team gets hurt...prayers with tracy for a speedy recovery....he is valuable catching the ball out of backfield
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he SHOULD be better. Good enough? THAT I highly doubt.
We can pretty much guarantee that by the end of the season, you will all be complaining about the wideouts and the o-line again this season. It's been Jones' history going back to when was at Duke.
What's your evaluation of the Giants OL and receivers over the past 5 years?
@JordanRaanan
The Giants are calling it an ankle injury. Tracy is going to HSS for further evaluation.
Hopefully Daboll has found the right balance of reps and rest.
This aged well today
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
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All things considered the Giants have had a relatively healthy lead up to the season.
Hopefully Daboll has found the right balance of reps and rest.
This aged well today
It's like the person that brings up a "no hitter"
Keep an eye on KC. We have WR's, they could be in the market for a WR and they have RB's (CEH could be available).
@DDuggan21
Giants have three healthy RB with Tyrone Tracy suffering an apparent major leg/ankle injury and Dante Miller limited by a hamstring injury. Have to assume they’ll bring back recently cut Jacob Saylors just to get through Saturday’s preseason game. But probably need to consider signing a vet for the season with the state of the RB room.
Thankfully Gray showed what he could do this past Thursday.
Keep an eye on KC. We have WR's, they could be in the market for a WR and they have RB's (CEH could be available).
I do not think they will go someplace that will increase the payroll, at this point in time.
If they go for a vet RB, it will be a vet minimum or close.
Keep an eye on KC. We have WR's, they could be in the market for a WR and they have RB's (CEH could be available).
You don’t think they would go with Singletary, Gray and Miller.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants have three healthy RB with Tyrone Tracy suffering an apparent major leg/ankle injury and Dante Miller limited by a hamstring injury. Have to assume they’ll bring back recently cut Jacob Saylors just to get through Saturday’s preseason game. But probably need to consider signing a vet for the season with the state of the RB room.
Thankfully Gray showed what he could do this past Thursday.
What bums me out is that I’ve seen Tracey singled out for blitz pickups more than once. Not sure Gray or Turbo are at the same level.
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#Giants100 Daboll - jmc returns to center today but will be limited....van roten to RG and stinnie at LG.....neal RT with second team
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JMS and Evan Neal will participate in team drills today, per Daboll
I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
Haha! J/K!
I’d take fully at this point
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Theo Johnson had an excellent practice today. Expect him to be targeted often Saturday against Houston
@GiantInsider
Some notes from today's practice:
-JMS (1s) and Evan Neal (2s) had some reps as their ramp up continues.
-Jalin Hyatt is a different receiver this season. Gets off LOS better, running crisper routes, showing confidence in offense.
-Tae Banks got beat deep again today. He's the No. 1 CB and has had an up and down camp.
-For the most part, Daniel had a clean pocket to work with and showed nice rhythm connecting with a vertical to Slayton (beating Banks), beautiful deep cross to Hyatt and nice dig to Wan'Dale. DeVito connected with Theo Johnson on a seam
Keep an eye on KC. We have WR's, they could be in the market for a WR and they have RB's (CEH could be available).
CEH hasnt been good, but more seriously is currently dealing with some serious personal issues. Worth searching to read about what he's dealing with regarding the death of a friend and how he's still coping with it.
@DDuggan21
Notes from today's practice:
• Obviously the Tyrone Tracy injury overshadows everything today. But I thought this was Daniel Jones' best practice of camp, especially considering he didn't have the Malik Nabers safety net.
When Jones has had strong practices this camp, it's mostly because he's hit on a few deep balls with everything else being underneath. Today was more impressive because he was drilling intermediate throws with good velocity/touch/timing.
The ball touched the ground three times on his 13 attempts today: A batted pass by Dexter Lawrence and drops by Jalin Hyatt and Chris Manhertz on well-thrown slants.
Jones fired a dig route into a tight window to Hyatt. He had a perfectly placed deep crosser to Darius Slayton along the sideline over Kayvon Thibodeaux, who was dropping in coverage. The deep balls will be huge, but those are the types of throws he needs to make more consistently.
• All of the focus has been on the question at CB2. Maybe that's because it's too scary to think about what it'll mean if Deonte Banks isn't ready to be a true CB1. He got beat by Slayton on a go route on the second play of practice. That's happened enough in camp to cause some uneasiness about Banks heading into a season with huge expectations.
• The rotating on the O-line continued with John Michael Schmitz easing back into the mix. Schmitz started at C with Greg Van Roten at RG. After two reps, Van Roten would shift to C and Jake Kubas would come in at RG. Austin Schlottmann also got some reps at first-team C. Austin Stinnie was at LG with Jon Runyan (shoulder) sitting out.
Evan Neal followed a similar pattern with the second-team OL, playing two reps at RT before subbing out.
• Eric Gray showed his burst on the 48-yard TD run in the preseason opener and it was evident repeatedly today. Giants are going to need Gray to step up after Tracy's injury.
• *Allen* Robinson caught six passes from Tommy DeVito with the backups. He got behind Jason Pinnock (rotating with backups due to safety injuries) on a deep post for a TD. I don't see a path to a roster spot for Robinson, but he's a true professional WR. He manages to get open and catches everything. Would be ideal to stash him on the P-squad for depth.
• Isaiah Simmons got most of the slot corner reps with the starters with Dru Phillips (ankle) sidelined again. David Long also mixed in.
• Think I saw Tyler Nubin mix in with the starting defense for a few reps. Ton of rotating at safety with only four healthy bodies, but notable because he had strictly worked with the backups previously.
• Jude McAtamney drilled a 58-yard field goal. Graham Gano's job is safe, but the undrafted rookie has impressive leg strength. Good player to stash on the P-squad with the international exemption.
@GiantInsider
Some notes from today's practice:
-JMS (1s) and Evan Neal (2s) had some reps as their ramp up continues.
-Jalin Hyatt is a different receiver this season. Gets off LOS better, running crisper routes, showing confidence in offense.
-Tae Banks got beat deep again today. He's the No. 1 CB and has had an up and down camp.
-For the most part, Daniel had a clean pocket to work with and showed nice rhythm connecting with a vertical to Slayton (beating Banks), beautiful deep cross to Hyatt and nice dig to Wan'Dale. DeVito connected with Theo Johnson on a seam
I forget where I read or heard that there were some concerns with banks not making the leap. We really need him to be good
@JordanRaanan
As noted on @SportsCenter
, there is hope that Tyrone Tracy Jr.’s leg injury is not as bad as it looked. He was put into an air cast and taken off on a cart. Already back in meetings. A sigh of relief.
Touchdowns & Takeaways: Receivers respond with big day - ( New Window )
Practice Report (8/13): Observations from the sideline - ( New Window )
I didn’t make my point well - really just trying to say Wandale has a spot locked down. I think the giants top 3 is set and if Slayton is pushing them, that’s a good place to be