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Rookie RB Tyrone Tracy just went down untouched on a kickoff return. Cart is out and they are putting on an air cast.
But I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around a non-contact muffed punt retrieval resulting in a broken bone. Wouldn’t that be more indicative of an Achilles? Either way, devastating news for the kid. Hoping for a full recovery.
than obviously that means any potential "break" didn't poke through the skin.
or to put it another way, the injury isn't "obvious".
A high ankle sprain is possible, so is a dislocation.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Sounds like the dreaded high ankle sprain.
Grade 2 = 3-6 weeks recovery.
Grade 3 could be season ending.
It has to be more than a high ankle sprain to send to HSS.
I don't know HSS but Grade 3 sprains can require surgery.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Sounds like the dreaded high ankle sprain.
Grade 2 = 3-6 weeks recovery.
Grade 3 could be season ending.
It has to be more than a high ankle sprain to send to HSS.
Agreed, you don't need a surgeon (immediately) to look at something. I would think dislocation at a minimum and hopefully no ligament damage.
BTW- Matt Breida is with SF but I suspect we could get him back cheaply.
Best Remaining Running Back Free Agents, 2024:
Dalvin Cook
Joshua Kelley
Latavius Murray
Kareem Hunt
Jerick McKinnon
Jakob Johnson
Kevin Smith
Melvin Gordon
Alex Armah
Brandon Bolden
Eno Benjamin
Brandon Bolden has had an understated but very solid long career in NE. Nose for the end zone.
Hopefully nothing that impacts him long term career wise. I think they will keep an eye on the RB market. Hopefully with the remaining PS games they put the young backs in enough situations to have to pass block to see where they are.
He was battling for RB3 behind Singletary and Gray. If the injury is season ending I’m sure a rb or two will shake free from another team who’s rb depth is deep (SF or Mia).
than obviously that means any potential "break" didn't poke through the skin.
or to put it another way, the injury isn't "obvious".
A high ankle sprain is possible, so is a dislocation.
Even if it was a compound fracture they would be doing further tests, including x-rays and scans to determine the severity and whether other bones were damaged, and to look for tendon, ligament, nerve and blood vessel damage.
Best Remaining Running Back Free Agents, 2024:
Dalvin Cook
Joshua Kelley
Latavius Murray
Kareem Hunt
Jerick McKinnon
Jakob Johnson
Kevin Smith
Melvin Gordon
Alex Armah
Brandon Bolden
Eno Benjamin
Brandon Bolden has had an understated but very solid long career in NE. Nose for the end zone.
For a backup to Singletary maybe Dalvin Cook? Still only 29.
Compound fracture right at the top of the skate boot. I was a 38 year-old, out-of-shape, recreational player in beer league, playing one game a week.
With a clean break (which mine wasn't -- I blew out all my ankle tendons, too), the bone heals in a matter of weeks (mine took 11 weeks in a cast). But the hard part was having to rehab whatever soft tissue damage there was as well, and that takes longer. I certainly missed my season.
This is a much younger, professional athlete, competing at the highest level of competition, so it's certainly not apples to apples comparison. It doesn't sound like his injury is as bad as mine was. He should also recover more quickly than I did, but it's still a good bet he misses the season.
I'm sorry for the kid, and disappointed as a fan. That said, football is Russian Roulette. EVERY preseason, there's always a couple of guys (often rookies) who go down and miss the season. As bad as this is for Tracy (I'm not minimizing it), there are KEY guys the Giants cannot afford to lose without derailing their whole season -- and thankfully, Tracy isn't one of them.
Hope he recovers asap and comes back strong next year. In the meantime, it seems they'll get a better look at Dante Miller.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Eric- check your email, replied back to you.
You know this was to everyone right?
You can tell us, we won't tell anyone.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Eric- check your email, replied back to you.
You know this was to everyone right?
You can tell us, we won't tell anyone.
though a bit older I am familiar with this thar thing called the Inter Net. :)
That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
Hopefully everyone learns that when you muff a training camp kickoff or punt return don’t bend down to pick up the ball. It’s not worth the risk no matter how small.
But I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around a non-contact muffed punt retrieval resulting in a broken bone. Wouldn’t that be more indicative of an Achilles? Either way, devastating news for the kid. Hoping for a full recovery.
Agree, a non-contact broken leg seems odd to me. A non-contact broken ankle is more routine. My sister-in-law slipped on ice and broke both ankles (a really bad injury with effects that have lasted years), I get how that can happen. But the fibia or tibula?
RE: Hope they will have room for him on the initial 53 then move him to IR
That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
every year teams lose players in pre-season. This is why, and will continue to be the case forever, depth is important. Football is a war of attrition and the deepest teams tend to fare the best.
Having no depth has absolutely killed us the past few years.
RE: RE: Hope they will have room for him on the initial 53 then move him to IR
That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Sounds like the dreaded high ankle sprain.
Grade 2 = 3-6 weeks recovery.
Grade 3 could be season ending.
Lets hope for a grade 2 or better than as it sucks to go down for the year after a great camp so far.
But I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around a non-contact muffed punt retrieval resulting in a broken bone. Wouldn’t that be more indicative of an Achilles? Either way, devastating news for the kid. Hoping for a full recovery.
Agree, a non-contact broken leg seems odd to me. A non-contact broken ankle is more routine. My sister-in-law slipped on ice and broke both ankles (a really bad injury with effects that have lasted years), I get how that can happen. But the fibia or tibula?
It’s Tibia or Fibula…..by the way, the fibula is a non-weight bearing bone.
RE: RE: RE: Hope they will have room for him on the initial 53 then move him to IR
That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
No
I believe they changed the rule so they can now put 2 guys on IR before the cut to 53 who can then return during the season. Before you had to make the 53 and then go on IR in order to be able to return.
Great guess. Also uneducated but if it was achilles etc, no air cast. Broken bone doesnt make much sense for a non contact injury. Avulsion fracture would be very painful which would explain the cart and how serious it seemed, but one of the best outcomes relative to what it could be.
As noted on @SportsCenter, there is hope that Tyrone Tracy Jr.’s leg injury is not as bad as it looked. He was put into an air cast and taken off on a cart. Already back in meetings. A sigh of relief.
k2tampa: Thank you for pointing out the IR rule change.
Players are put on the reserve/injured list — more commonly referred to as IR — when they have a football-related injury and need to miss at least a few weeks. Players on IR don’t count against the active roster, but their salaries count against the cap.
If a player is placed on this list before the regular season begins, he could miss the entire season unless — per a rules adjustment this year — they are designated to return during the roster cutdown to 53 players after training camp. Teams can designate up to two such players to return.
Though things did not look good earlier on Tuesday, it appears Giants rookie running back Tyrone Tracy has avoided a major injury.
According to Mike Garafolo of NFL Media, New York believes Tracy has suffered a sprain.
Tracy went down with a non-contact injury during Tuesday’s session and his right leg was immediately placed in an air cast. He was then carted off the field.
However, the initial evaluation appears to have had a positive outcome.
The Giants selected Tracy in the fifth round of the draft earlier this year. He registered five carries for 26 yards in New York’s preseason opener against Detroit.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hope they will have room for him on the initial 53 then move him to IR
That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
No
I believe they changed the rule so they can now put 2 guys on IR before the cut to 53 who can then return during the season. Before you had to make the 53 and then go on IR in order to be able to return.
or to put it another way, the injury isn't "obvious".
A high ankle sprain is possible, so is a dislocation.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Sounds like the dreaded high ankle sprain.
Grade 2 = 3-6 weeks recovery.
Grade 3 could be season ending.
It has to be more than a high ankle sprain to send to HSS.
I don't know HSS but Grade 3 sprains can require surgery.
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In comment 16575626 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Sounds like the dreaded high ankle sprain.
Grade 2 = 3-6 weeks recovery.
Grade 3 could be season ending.
It has to be more than a high ankle sprain to send to HSS.
Agreed, you don't need a surgeon (immediately) to look at something. I would think dislocation at a minimum and hopefully no ligament damage.
BTW- Matt Breida is with SF but I suspect we could get him back cheaply.
Agreed, you don't need a surgeon (immediately) to look at something. I would think dislocation at a minimum and hopefully no ligament damage.
BTW- Matt Breida is with SF but I suspect we could get him back cheaply.
They let Breida go. Why would they want him back?
Best Remaining Running Back Free Agents, 2024:
Dalvin Cook
Joshua Kelley
Latavius Murray
Kareem Hunt
Jerick McKinnon
Jakob Johnson
Kevin Smith
Melvin Gordon
Alex Armah
Brandon Bolden
Eno Benjamin
Brandon Bolden has had an understated but very solid long career in NE. Nose for the end zone.
It's ridiculous as almost all of our rookies seem to get hurt in camp or early on?!
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Agreed, you don't need a surgeon (immediately) to look at something. I would think dislocation at a minimum and hopefully no ligament damage.
BTW- Matt Breida is with SF but I suspect we could get him back cheaply.
They let Breida go. Why would they want him back?
I am sure it was $$$ as a vet FA, but now he knows the system and would be better than just some dude off the street.
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Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
The Giants are calling it an ankle injury. Tracy is going to HSS for further evaluation.
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Oh that is better than ligaments..
There are ligaments in the ankle. A sprained ankle is ligament damage.
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Agreed, you don't need a surgeon (immediately) to look at something. I would think dislocation at a minimum and hopefully no ligament damage.
BTW- Matt Breida is with SF but I suspect we could get him back cheaply.
They let Breida go. Why would they want him back?
I am sure it was $$$ as a vet FA, but now he knows the system and would be better than just some dude off the street.
For all we know behind a real OL he might be a better back than Barkley.
or to put it another way, the injury isn't "obvious".
A high ankle sprain is possible, so is a dislocation.
Even if it was a compound fracture they would be doing further tests, including x-rays and scans to determine the severity and whether other bones were damaged, and to look for tendon, ligament, nerve and blood vessel damage.
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kelley has flashed at times.
Best Remaining Running Back Free Agents, 2024:
Dalvin Cook
Joshua Kelley
Latavius Murray
Kareem Hunt
Jerick McKinnon
Jakob Johnson
Kevin Smith
Melvin Gordon
Alex Armah
Brandon Bolden
Eno Benjamin
Brandon Bolden has had an understated but very solid long career in NE. Nose for the end zone.
For a backup to Singletary maybe Dalvin Cook? Still only 29.
With a clean break (which mine wasn't -- I blew out all my ankle tendons, too), the bone heals in a matter of weeks (mine took 11 weeks in a cast). But the hard part was having to rehab whatever soft tissue damage there was as well, and that takes longer. I certainly missed my season.
This is a much younger, professional athlete, competing at the highest level of competition, so it's certainly not apples to apples comparison. It doesn't sound like his injury is as bad as mine was. He should also recover more quickly than I did, but it's still a good bet he misses the season.
I'm sorry for the kid, and disappointed as a fan. That said, football is Russian Roulette. EVERY preseason, there's always a couple of guys (often rookies) who go down and miss the season. As bad as this is for Tracy (I'm not minimizing it), there are KEY guys the Giants cannot afford to lose without derailing their whole season -- and thankfully, Tracy isn't one of them.
Hope he recovers asap and comes back strong next year. In the meantime, it seems they'll get a better look at Dante Miller.
It NEVER ends.
probably helps mckenzie a little more than gunner, mckenzie has some gadget ability on offense plus the special teams.
Yes, depending on whether it involves a joint (ankle or knee) and the extent, yes
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probably helps mckenzie a little more than gunner, mckenzie has some gadget ability on offense plus the special teams.
Also, after talking to Daboll the other day, Schmeelik said, quote, "Daboll LOVES him some Isaiah McKenzie".
You hope throughout the year, including camp and pre-season, that you dont suffer injuries to your best players
Just brutal
When he's healthy, his spot will be there for him.
Better this than thinking he's a bad pick....
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probably helps mckenzie a little more than gunner, mckenzie has some gadget ability on offense plus the special teams.
I agree.
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Eric- check your email, replied back to you.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Eric- check your email, replied back to you.
You know this was to everyone right?
You can tell us, we won't tell anyone.
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In comment 16575626 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Eric- check your email, replied back to you.
You know this was to everyone right?
You can tell us, we won't tell anyone.
though a bit older I am familiar with this thar thing called the Inter Net. :)
Just making sure he saw it.. :)
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
I think they should call Carolina about Miles Sanders.
Great call for an uneducated guess. I’m going with a dislocation as I’m even more uneducated than you!
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
Having no depth has absolutely killed us the past few years.
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That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
No
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Update from the Giants on Tyrone Tracy:
“RB Tyrone Tracy sustained an ankle injury and will be undergoing further imaging at HSS (Hospital for Special Surgery) for a more comprehensive evaluation.”
Sounds like the dreaded high ankle sprain.
Grade 2 = 3-6 weeks recovery.
Grade 3 could be season ending.
How did the new rules have anything to do with it? He dropped the ball and reached down to pick it up.
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But I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around a non-contact muffed punt retrieval resulting in a broken bone. Wouldn’t that be more indicative of an Achilles? Either way, devastating news for the kid. Hoping for a full recovery.
Agree, a non-contact broken leg seems odd to me. A non-contact broken ankle is more routine. My sister-in-law slipped on ice and broke both ankles (a really bad injury with effects that have lasted years), I get how that can happen. But the fibia or tibula?
It’s Tibia or Fibula…..by the way, the fibula is a non-weight bearing bone.
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That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
No
I believe they changed the rule so they can now put 2 guys on IR before the cut to 53 who can then return during the season. Before you had to make the 53 and then go on IR in order to be able to return.
Great guess. Also uneducated but if it was achilles etc, no air cast. Broken bone doesnt make much sense for a non contact injury. Avulsion fracture would be very painful which would explain the cart and how serious it seemed, but one of the best outcomes relative to what it could be.
If a player is placed on this list before the regular season begins, he could miss the entire season unless — per a rules adjustment this year — they are designated to return during the roster cutdown to 53 players after training camp. Teams can designate up to two such players to return.
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According to Mike Garafolo of NFL Media, New York believes Tracy has suffered a sprain.
Tracy went down with a non-contact injury during Tuesday’s session and his right leg was immediately placed in an air cast. He was then carted off the field.
However, the initial evaluation appears to have had a positive outcome.
The Giants selected Tracy in the fifth round of the draft earlier this year. He registered five carries for 26 yards in New York’s preseason opener against Detroit.
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In comment 16575763 Big Blue Blogger said:
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That will indicate that there is at least hope he can return during the season.
What's the best-cast diagnosis compatible with the known facts? A fractured fibula with an intact tibia? (Dunno if the medical staff would air-cast this kind of injury.) A high ankle sprain where any avulsion fracture can heal without surgery?
How does that work?
Once IR'd does he count against the 53?
No
I believe they changed the rule so they can now put 2 guys on IR before the cut to 53 who can then return during the season. Before you had to make the 53 and then go on IR in order to be able to return.
Aha! A response (at last) written by a gentleman.