That one pass in his end zone while under duress. I’m sure he knows that too. Okay, so he made a mistake…it happens. This was his first game back so why make a big deal on this one play? Let’s review the positives of the game for him:
1. His numbers were pretty good: 11-18 for 138.
And had Nabers not dropped that long pass down the right sideline…and yes, it was beautifully thrown….Nabers has been catching harder passes than that all preseason….his stats would have been 12-18 for about 170. That’s not bad for one half of football.
2. No sacks, so he got rid of the ball quickly
3. Very accurate long passes…the one to Slayton for 44 was a beaut. The drop by Nabers in quarter 1 was nice. A few others to Nabers were nice.
4. His two minute drill at the end of the first half was tremendous. Too bad we had to kick a FG instead of a TD to tie up the game.
5. Being down 14-10 at half on the road isn’t too shabby.
6. This was Jones first game back from a serious injury. He looked poised and relaxed. Naturally, there will be some rust to shake off. Like I said, his numbers and the score at half are not an indication he stunk. Reading some comments saying otherwise is just not accurate. I think everyone who absolutely cannot cut Jones any slack will see what THEY WANT TO SEE. Like that one ill advised pass…..and forget the rest.
Oh well, I’m sure I can’t convince the hard of heart guys out there, but you should not be hating on Jones for THIS GAME.
Carl Banks and many others are caught up in that modus operandi.
They'd rather go through the effort of parading around pro-Giants people/media to act like Jones is a good QB and they are giving him chances for valid reasons then actually getting a QB people beyond their circle have nice things to say about.
That is everything you need to know about their seriuosness about winning.
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'If _____ makes that catch, Jones throws for 180 yards.'
If _______ makes that block, Jones goes for 25 yards.'
If, if, if. It's beyond embarrassing @ this point.
Carl was awarded the Giants Way Scholarship and a hefty NIL deal from the Tisch family.
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I'll say it...is Papa drunk?
The Jones Excuse Machine in Full Bloom... - ( New Window )
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is unbelievable. Just listen to the first ten minutes. The Jones Excuse Machine in Full Bloom... - ( New Window )
Banks says the first INT is inexcusable. Most people with a pulse agree.
But he ostensibly blames the near first INT by Stingley - first play of the game - more on Nabers.
He says the second INT was a combination of "the other teams get paid to make plays too" and "Jones almost made a terrific throw...and gets credit for looking off the safety..."
And he gives Jones a lot of credit for bouncing back and really discounts the fact Jones's production was against corners who are second and third stringers.
What a putz.
But they love dunking on fans so they'll probably have plenty of material this fall.
Sure, he threw another pick. Got lucky his first pass of the day wasn't picked. Then he looked good vs. Texans backups.
The Giants radio crew are an absolute embarrassment.
Banks talks about Jones like he's a rookie. It's surreal.
I've lost so much respect for Banks. He's become a company man. Parroting what Johnny wants to be said.
But they love dunking on fans so they'll probably have plenty of material this fall.
They've become insufferable as if the fans should be grateful for the great Giants football we've been given the last 10 years. Bunch of dopes.
Jones was regularly off target throwing to Barkley on that same damn play. Nice try, Carl
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##newpod >Daniel Jones Didn't Fall Apart. #tellafriendtotellafriend
Beyond embarrassing. I can't wait until their podcast in October: 'Daniel Jones' Problems Are Due to Lack of Fan Support.'
A poster had me cracking up yesterday when he called Jones the "If King".
If Jones only had X. If X didn't happen to Jones. Etc.
I should trademark it and sell t-shirts. I think what a lot of people miss is the difference between greatness and mediocrity are the IFs. If you can't consistently perform at a high level you are mediocre.
I don't think I've ever seen a player in the NFL where people latch onto a few good performances and then qualify the shit out of it to justify his potential/place on the roster.
It feels like even when he's off the roster and we find QB success people will be like, "IF Daniel Jones had this type of roster, he'd be good..."
This organization isn't turning over every stone to try to win.
This organization isn't turning over every stone to try to win.
Yes and far too many involved heavily in the team are extremely defensive of criticism. Papa, Banks, Dottino, GiantsInsider, Hanlon. To the point they are debating the fans on twitter.
This is a franchise that is 4-26 against Dallas & Philly since the 2017 season.
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##newpod >Daniel Jones Didn't Fall Apart. #tellafriendtotellafriend
Beyond embarrassing. I can't wait until their podcast in October: 'Daniel Jones' Problems Are Due to Lack of Fan Support.'
A poster had me cracking up yesterday when he called Jones the "If King".
If Jones only had X. If X didn't happen to Jones. Etc.
I should trademark it and sell t-shirts. I think what a lot of people miss is the difference between greatness and mediocrity are the IFs. If you can't consistently perform at a high level you are mediocre.
I don't think I've ever seen a player in the NFL where people latch onto a few good performances and then qualify the shit out of it to justify his potential/place on the roster.
It feels like even when he's off the roster and we find QB success people will be like, "IF Daniel Jones had this type of roster, he'd be good..."
Oh I fully believe that even if he's backing up Baker Mayfield in Tampa next year, there's a contingent who will continue to say he'd have been a star here with the improved roster.
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throw to Gray in the redzone to rust and he was used to having Barkley there.
Jones was regularly off target throwing to Barkley on that same damn play. Nice try, Carl
Agreed. Or Barkley would have bounced the ball up into the air and it would be going the other way in a hurry (see Dallas game).
Yes and far too many involved heavily in the team are extremely defensive of criticism. Papa, Banks, Dottino, GiantsInsider, Hanlon. To the point they are debating the fans on twitter.
Spot on. Take the high road, ignore the fans, and act like a professional.
Instead, it's just hugely embarrassing.
Daniel Jones — Terrible start, much more promising finish for Jones in his half of work vs. the Texans. The pick 6 by Jones was terrible, hesitant quarterback play. Throw ... the ... ball away! I will give him a little rope, though, because it was the first time he was about to be hit since tearing his ACL. Not giving him an excuse, but it is still something to work through. The second interception was a great play by a great player, Derek Stingley Jr.
After that, Jones made some nice throws and helped the Giants get 10 points. Loved seeing the deep ball to Slayton and the adjustment to making some back shoulder throws.
You obviously can’t have the quarterback give the opposition seven points, but this was a starting point for Jones.
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Can you summarize so I don't have to? What is the latest excuse.
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is unbelievable. Just listen to the first ten minutes. The Jones Excuse Machine in Full Bloom... - ( New Window )
Banks says the first INT is inexcusable. Most people with a pulse agree.
But he ostensibly blames the near first INT by Stingley - first play of the game - more on Nabers.
He says the second INT was a combination of "the other teams get paid to make plays too" and "Jones almost made a terrific throw...and gets credit for looking off the safety..."
And he gives Jones a lot of credit for bouncing back and really discounts the fact Jones's production was against corners who are second and third stringers.
Not for nothing, but the HOU announcers blamed the near INT on Nabors, too.
The condescension made sense when we were winning rings.
We are one of the worst teams in the league this past decade. You'd think there would be some level of embarrassment. Instead, we get arrogance.
I could have done just as badly as they have running the team the past decade. And I would have been cheaper.
Granted some of those things are true and there have been plenty of bad players on the team. But if you're going to be a Homer, be pro Giants. Not just pro Daniel. It's really kind of gross. And I have to imagine that guys in the locker room notice.
I've lost so much respect for Banks. He's become a company man. Parroting what Johnny wants to be said.
It’s sad because he’s certainly one of this franchises best players.
Granted some of those things are true and there have been plenty of bad players on the team. But if you're going to be a Homer, be pro Giants. Not just pro Daniel. It's really kind of gross. And I have to imagine that guys in the locker room notice.
+1. Those players aren’t getting paid $40mm annually either. This is terrible.
He knows the game and often has good points. The Baghdad Bob routine has to stop.
When your QB throws two picks in the first quarter - one a pick six - simply because he panicked, you are probably going to lose that game. Does some nice throws later in the second that netted us a field goal even the scales? For most, absolutely not. For you, it seems every play is the same. A pick six is a poor play, a 12 yard completion on 3rd and 8 offset it. I don’t understand it, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe you’ve had a chance to watch the game recap video from Eric, John and Sy. How they talk about Jones is where I am. He is not the worst QB in the world. But he is making the same mistakes he has made his whole career, and they are mistakes that lose winnable games. I am tired of watching this team struggle through season after season because Jones’ individual success seems to be as important if not more important than team success.
You took the “haters” to task when Eric said both extremes are annoying. Why didn’t you take both sides to task? Why didn’t you take the “Jones Lovers” to task? It’s because you can’t see your own bias. I know mine and I admit it. You ought to try it too.
When your QB throws two picks in the first quarter - one a pick six - simply because he panicked, you are probably going to lose that game. Does some nice throws later in the second that netted us a field goal even the scales? For most, absolutely not. For you, it seems every play is the same. A pick six is a poor play, a 12 yard completion on 3rd and 8 offset it. I don’t understand it, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe you’ve had a chance to watch the game recap video from Eric, John and Sy. How they talk about Jones is where I am. He is not the worst QB in the world. But he is making the same mistakes he has made his whole career, and they are mistakes that lose winnable games. I am tired of watching this team struggle through season after season because Jones’ individual success seems to be as important if not more important than team success.
You took the “haters” to task when Eric said both extremes are annoying. Why didn’t you take both sides to task? Why didn’t you take the “Jones Lovers” to task? It’s because you can’t see your own bias. I know mine and I admit it. You ought to try it too.
Good post, Mike. Jones would (will) be a solid backup, but as a starter, he is a bottom-tier QB. Sure, you can win a few games when everything goes right, but that isn’t sustainable. You need a QB who can make plays when things are going wrong.
Here's a quote from David Te's scouting report
And here's a quote from the game review by Sy, after a week 8 loss to KC in 2021
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The interception just 2 plays after the Mahomes interception was an absolute killer. He gave up his intended passing target immediately post snap without checking off the linebacker.
Message to DJ - ( New Window )
I have a feeling if you put guys like Lawrence on truth serum, they probably have a different three word message for Jones, as in ‘Play fucking better.’
What did Papa and Banks say that you found controversial? I am genuinely curious.
Watching that play, it seemed to me that Hyatt just stood there and watched the INT. I thought he should have been fighting for that 50-50 ball.
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What about the underthrow to Hyatt that was picked off?
Watching that play, it seemed to me that Hyatt just stood there and watched the INT. I thought he should have been fighting for that 50-50 ball.
It’s amazing to me that it’s always someone else’s fault.
The organization, its employees and the Jones fans have no problem denigrating any other player on the team. But Saint Daniel does nothing wrong.
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Like it or not, you are our guy this year….take these words to heart Daniel… Message to DJ - ( New Window )
I have a feeling if you put guys like Lawrence on truth serum, they probably have a different three word message for Jones, as in ‘Play fucking better.’
Spoke to three players at camp that off the record said they preffered one of the backup QB options.
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Like it or not, you are our guy this year….take these words to heart Daniel… Message to DJ - ( New Window )
I have a feeling if you put guys like Lawrence on truth serum, they probably have a different three word message for Jones, as in ‘Play fucking better.’
Spoke to three players at camp that off the record said they preffered one of the backup QB options.
That's kind of big news