That one pass in his end zone while under duress. I’m sure he knows that too. Okay, so he made a mistake…it happens. This was his first game back so why make a big deal on this one play? Let’s review the positives of the game for him:
1. His numbers were pretty good: 11-18 for 138.
And had Nabers not dropped that long pass down the right sideline…and yes, it was beautifully thrown….Nabers has been catching harder passes than that all preseason….his stats would have been 12-18 for about 170. That’s not bad for one half of football.
2. No sacks, so he got rid of the ball quickly
3. Very accurate long passes…the one to Slayton for 44 was a beaut. The drop by Nabers in quarter 1 was nice. A few others to Nabers were nice.
4. His two minute drill at the end of the first half was tremendous. Too bad we had to kick a FG instead of a TD to tie up the game.
5. Being down 14-10 at half on the road isn’t too shabby.
6. This was Jones first game back from a serious injury. He looked poised and relaxed. Naturally, there will be some rust to shake off. Like I said, his numbers and the score at half are not an indication he stunk. Reading some comments saying otherwise is just not accurate. I think everyone who absolutely cannot cut Jones any slack will see what THEY WANT TO SEE. Like that one ill advised pass…..and forget the rest.
Oh well, I’m sure I can’t convince the hard of heart guys out there, but you should not be hating on Jones for THIS GAME.
Thibs was a safe pick. Neal was a safe pick. Nabers was a safe pick. Declining Jones’ option in 2021 was the safe decision. Re-signing Jones after a playoff season was the safest decision.
Letting Barkely walk is the only decision that seemed to me to be not the safe call. Even the Burns trade was a low risk trade given how little they had to give up for him.
I don’t get the feeling Schoen is playing not to lose more than he is playing to win.
I wonder if he has the self awareness to realize that after posting this morning about how he was “wiping the slate clean” with Jones, that he is posting about Jones having a good game despite being objectively awful?
5Bowls - you are seeing what you want to see.
The bar is below the ground.
In less difficult situations against less good players, he looked better.
If not for that Minnesota game, Daniel Jones is Case Keenum.
No, he's not even that accomplished. Case Keenum went 13-3 and a game away from the Superbowl.
Thibs was a safe pick. Neal was a safe pick. Nabers was a safe pick. Declining Jones’ option in 2021 was the safe decision. Re-signing Jones after a playoff season was the safest decision.
Letting Barkely walk is the only decision that seemed to me to be not the safe call. Even the Burns trade was a low risk trade given how little they had to give up for him.
I don’t get the feeling Schoen is playing not to lose more than he is playing to win.
The Giants were willing to upgrade from Jones at their price and their price and only. Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
The worst thing that can happen this year is to be a 7-9 win team. Just go 3-14 at that point.
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Dude. Seriously?
Dude, very serious.
When did 12-18 for 170 look bad to you? (Assuming Nabers catches that pass)
Did you read my post? Why don’t you take issue with my 6 points? Probably because you know you will get out debated….
Stick to the facts, not opinions…..too many of you guys make that mistake. You need older guys like myself to balance you out and remind you FACTS > Opinions
I take issue with the entire premise. He was awful. He threw 2 INTs, one of which-the pick six-was so fucking stupid that I still can't believe he threw that ball. That's a mistake a backup QB in high school makes...not one in his sixth NFL season who is making the coin Jones is making.
'But SFGF, he bounced back afterwards!' Yeah, when the Texans backups were in. Great, can we petition the league to have Jones go up against just second & third stringers?
Listen, I get that you like Jones. That's your prerogative. But don't tell people not to believe their eyes.
He wasn't good yesterday. If you want to chalk it up to rust or nerves or whatever...that's your right. I'll chalk it up to what it probably is: he's just not that good.
You have to evaluate the game, not extract all the mistakes, add some “close calls” back in, and then do the evaluation. You are starting at a conclusion and then working backwards to try and justify it.
One thing that always seems odd, the Giants never seem to have guys wide open on O or rarely do and other teams seem to have guys wide open all over the field against us.
There have been many plays where people are wide open over the years. Jones just doesn't throw it.
Year 6 and DJ put up a performance like this was his first live NFL action...ever. How many DBs on how many teams jump this guy already? Seems like we see it ever week and he gets beat.
Can he go back on PUP if we blame it on the knee?
I agree with this….the Jones haters don’t stop and repeat the same mantra on every thread. We should only be talking about this one game and breaking it down, but for the Jones haters, they have to bring up “we’re doomed…we never should have re-signed him….he can’t see the field….blah, blah, blah….”
As for the site being ruined, I will do my best to avoid threads that veer off to the Jones history and try to find other threads more meaningful and informative to me….like, how did JMS perform….how did the secondary perform…..etc
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are just pure cringe at this point. And it's ruining the site.
I agree with this….the Jones haters don’t stop and repeat the same mantra on every thread. We should only be talking about this one game and breaking it down, but for the Jones haters, they have to bring up “we’re doomed…we never should have re-signed him….he can’t see the field….blah, blah, blah….”
As for the site being ruined, I will do my best to avoid threads that veer off to the Jones history and try to find other threads more meaningful and informative to me….like, how did JMS perform….how did the secondary perform…..etc
You literally started a thread about Jones "looking good" on the same day he threw 2 picks including a pick six in one half of play.
And you're the one trying to find meaningful and informative threads?
Adding more talent isn't going to solidify his place as a Giant, it will be the death knell.
He is quite literally what is keeping the Giants back.
What people do hate is that this organization seems to be wedded to this middling QB like nothing I've ever seen before. I'm in a text thread with some buddies & someone asked me yesterday what year for this is with Jones...when I said 'Six', they responded, 'Wow. That long huh?'
Personally I like Penix a lot. But I have no confidence that I'm right. And I have no confidence that professionals are right. The track records speak for themselves. Draft guys. Coach them. Test them. If they're good, keep them. If they're bad, try again.
+1. In Schoen’s defense, Nabers looks like a gold jacket candidate. Next offseason, I think they sign or trade for an under appreciated vet. It’s 1998.
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tnan give up more than 2 1sts for Maye. Everyone, including professional football people, is terrible at projecting QBs. Just take one that has the right tools, personality, and college performance. Then coach him and try him out.
Personally I like Penix a lot. But I have no confidence that I'm right. And I have no confidence that professionals are right. The track records speak for themselves. Draft guys. Coach them. Test them. If they're good, keep them. If they're bad, try again.
+1. In Schoen’s defense, Nabers looks like a gold jacket candidate. Next offseason, I think they sign or trade for an under appreciated vet. It’s 1998.
I think this is probably correct. Terrible QB play before bringing in Collins to steady the ship. Had a good though roster to get to a SB with him. Realize roster is very good and need to get the real franchise QB in Eli. Whether Schoen and/or Daboll are here for that is anyone's guess at this point.
It's like being in a living room & there's a constant drip from the ceiling & being like, 'Yeah. Nothing to see/think/or worry about!'
Playoffs and competing for the NFC
Deep playoff run.
Division title to secure a home playoff game.
On the other hand, what would the expectations be if Jones was on the Texans?
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are just pure cringe at this point. And it's ruining the site.
I agree with this….the Jones haters don’t stop and repeat the same mantra on every thread. We should only be talking about this one game and breaking it down, but for the Jones haters, they have to bring up “we’re doomed…we never should have re-signed him….he can’t see the field….blah, blah, blah….”
As for the site being ruined, I will do my best to avoid threads that veer off to the Jones history and try to find other threads more meaningful and informative to me….like, how did JMS perform….how did the secondary perform…..etc
You literally started a thread about Jones "looking good" on the same day he threw 2 picks including a pick six in one half of play.
And you're the one trying to find meaningful and informative threads?
I acknowledged the pic6 was bad…..what more can I say? So then I looked at the other 17 passes and discussed them and gave everyone 6 points to feel good about Jones’ game. Every coin has two sides you know. Why just talk about the bad?
It’s his first game back in 9 months from a brutal injury…I’m sure he was apprehensive to begin with….why can’t you guys cut him some slack? Preseason is to work out the kinks….I’m sure Jones hopefully will not make this same mistake in the regular season. But if you think just because he threw two pics I have no right to look at the other 16 passes, that makes no sense.
Consider this….if AThomas gets beat one time and the QB gets sacked….is that sack the only play we should discuss? Do all the other plays not matter because he let in that one sack? That’s how I feel about Jones’ day….yea, he had a bad pass….its acknowledged….what about the other 17? Let’s discuss…
No, you know, as I know, the guys who cannot and will not wipe his slate clean this year will not be silent…..here comes the same drivel….oh we never should have drafted him….oh we never should have re-signed him…..oh, he can’t see the field fast enough……over and over and over and over…
THIS IS WHAT HURTS THIS SITE. IF I were in Eric’s shoes, I would limit conversation only to the present….and not keeping on harping on the past. What’s done is done….this is our team…
Do you not see a disconnect between what you're saying?
He's a grown ass man who is being paid handsomely. & he sucked yesterday. But we should 'cut him some slack'. Good grief.
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are just pure cringe at this point. And it's ruining the site.
I agree with this….the Jones haters don’t stop and repeat the same mantra on every thread. We should only be talking about this one game and breaking it down, but for the Jones haters, they have to bring up “we’re doomed…we never should have re-signed him….he can’t see the field….blah, blah, blah….”
As for the site being ruined, I will do my best to avoid threads that veer off to the Jones history and try to find other threads more meaningful and informative to me….like, how did JMS perform….how did the secondary perform…..etc
You left off the Jones “lovers.” If you agree both extremes are the problem but only criticize one, it means you are most likely in the other extreme (which you probably believe are rational and reasonable because they think like you do).
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
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In comment 16579376 Eric from BBI said:
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are just pure cringe at this point. And it's ruining the site.
I agree with this….the Jones haters don’t stop and repeat the same mantra on every thread. We should only be talking about this one game and breaking it down, but for the Jones haters, they have to bring up “we’re doomed…we never should have re-signed him….he can’t see the field….blah, blah, blah….”
As for the site being ruined, I will do my best to avoid threads that veer off to the Jones history and try to find other threads more meaningful and informative to me….like, how did JMS perform….how did the secondary perform…..etc
You literally started a thread about Jones "looking good" on the same day he threw 2 picks including a pick six in one half of play.
And you're the one trying to find meaningful and informative threads?
I acknowledged the pic6 was bad…..what more can I say? So then I looked at the other 17 passes and discussed them and gave everyone 6 points to feel good about Jones’ game. Every coin has two sides you know. Why just talk about the bad?
It’s his first game back in 9 months from a brutal injury…I’m sure he was apprehensive to begin with….why can’t you guys cut him some slack? Preseason is to work out the kinks….I’m sure Jones hopefully will not make this same mistake in the regular season. But if you think just because he threw two pics I have no right to look at the other 16 passes, that makes no sense.
Consider this….if AThomas gets beat one time and the QB gets sacked….is that sack the only play we should discuss? Do all the other plays not matter because he let in that one sack? That’s how I feel about Jones’ day….yea, he had a bad pass….its acknowledged….what about the other 17? Let’s discuss…
No, you know, as I know, the guys who cannot and will not wipe his slate clean this year will not be silent…..here comes the same drivel….oh we never should have drafted him….oh we never should have re-signed him…..oh, he can’t see the field fast enough……over and over and over and over…
THIS IS WHAT HURTS THIS SITE. IF I were in Eric’s shoes, I would limit conversation only to the present….and not keeping on harping on the past. What’s done is done….this is our team…
Go re-read your opening post and highlight all the things you wrote that another poster might consider "the same drivel" as well. The excuses, the blaming of other players, the slack given, and the extremely low bar set by fans on this site regarding DJ and his play/production. The title alone paints a ridiculous perspective.
Sop worrying about what is/is not hurting this site or limiting conversation because it doesn't fit your liking, and start writing better posts.
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are just pure cringe at this point. And it's ruining the site.
I agree with this….the Jones haters don’t stop and repeat the same mantra on every thread. We should only be talking about this one game and breaking it down, but for the Jones haters, they have to bring up “we’re doomed…we never should have re-signed him….he can’t see the field….blah, blah, blah….”
As for the site being ruined, I will do my best to avoid threads that veer off to the Jones history and try to find other threads more meaningful and informative to me….like, how did JMS perform….how did the secondary perform…..etc
You left off the Jones “lovers.” If you agree both extremes are the problem but only criticize one, it means you are most likely in the other extreme (which you probably believe are rational and reasonable because they think like you do).
Mike, you disappointed me here…I know you are better than that.
You have seen my two threads on give Tommy Cutlets a chance…he can grow to be the man. Does that sound like a Jones lover to you?
Does a lover criticize Jones when criticism is called for? I have done that often in the past.
I have chosen to wipe the slate clean and evaluate Jones only on the present now. This doesn’t make me a lover….this makes me a hopeful Giants fan who is willing to believe until proven differently. It makes following my team more fun for me. If you or anyone else get more pleasure bringing up the past faults over and over, then so be it. We are different people with different objectives of being a fan.
Jones is our QB for now…I will root for him to succeed, not to fail, and I’m not waiting for the chance to pile more dirt on him. But when he makes a mistake, a costly one like the pic6, yeah I will show my disappointment, but I will also give him praise when he deserves that too.
He clearly had plays yesterday worthy of our praise…so I’m doing that. I appreciate how Nabers in the post game only wanted to talk about the first long pass that he missed. Bravo to him for manning up. I’ve not read one guy, besides me, giving praise to Jones for that perfect throw DOWNFIELD….
Nabers caught 4, dropped one….should we just harp on the one drop? In fact, no one here has mentioned it and criticized him for it….but boy, everyone is quick to fault DJ for that one pic6….and some have as well on the 2nd pic. Coach Daboll was not bummed about the 2nd…he gave Stingley props for making a great play rather than throw crap on Jones.
So, Mike, I consider myself definitely not a hater, but also definitely not a lover. I’m just a fan evaluating my players…discussing both the good and the bad with what is happening today….not 3 years ago….not 5 years ago….not even last year…..but today. DJ had 2-3 bad passes yesterday but also had about 13 good ones…didn’t get sacked….and made one good rushing attempt….. that simple. I don’t consider yesterday a failure for a guy who has been out for 9 months recovering from a serious injury in his first game.
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
Generally agree. More discussion should be placed on why the QB we started in yesterday's preseason game is QB1 and, quite frankly, still on the roster altogether. DJ arguably has no real value for this team if he cannot even get through 30 minutes of a preseason game without looking like a train-wreck.
This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year.
As for Jones, yeah he got better as the game went on. But let's not omit the fact that it was against Houston's backups. That's a pretty big thing to remember.
People are pretty much parked in their Jones camp. There are some-like the OP-who are high on him. There are some who are still TBD about him. There are some who are completely out on him & think we're just spinning our wheels here. I fall in the last camp, but again, I'm just a poster on BBI. Nobody at 1925 Giants Way or whatever the address is GAF about what I think.
He's going to-barring injury-be the starter Week 1. Hope for the best. I'm not terribly optimistic, but who knows? Maybe something clicks with a better OL/weapons like Nabers, Robinson, etc. The only thing I do hope is-that if he struggles-the leash is short.
Daniel Jones is playing in the most prolific era of passing ever and getting to 20 TDS is a struggle.
You may want to start listening to more attorneys and scholars based on this post.
It is honestly Stockholm syndrome @ this point with some people. I will never understand this cult-& it is-around Daniel Jones. I would pay top $ for a class to study it so I could attempt to understand it because I'm repulsed by it yet also fascinated about what these cultists are buying.
You’ve never suited either, clown. And Eli won a Super Bowl in year 4. Super Bowl MVP. Had Daniel Jones accomplished that we wouldn’t be having these discussions. Instead, you and the rest of the fan club continue to act like ‘22 was basically like winning the Super Bowl, maybe even better. It’s embarrassing how far the expectations of this fan base have fallen. Spare us the Eli comps. If the most he had accomplished after 5 years was a single Wild Card win followed by a curb stomping at the hands of the Eagles he’d be catching just as much heat. In fact, I’d argue he DID receive just as much heat even after winning the SB. Stop rewriting history
Daniel Jones is playing in the most prolific era of passing ever and getting to 20 TDS is a struggle.
Exactly. But why should we let facts get in the way? I mean, we never suited up!
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My comments were about the game yesterday and how he performed. Once he settled down I think he was fine (for him). Is he Stroud, Mahomes, Herbert, etc. ? No, of course not and no one thinks that. If he can play like he did after the 1st two drives I think that is the best we can hope for. and hopefully its enough. If he surprises us all and really gets it together, then great.
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
Generally agree. More discussion should be placed on why the QB we started in yesterday's preseason game is QB1 and, quite frankly, still on the roster altogether. DJ arguably has no real value for this team if he cannot even get through 30 minutes of a preseason game without looking like a train-wreck.
This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year.
I don't see DeVito or Lock being any better. At this point we are where we are, and unless we pick up someone it has to be DJ.
If you want to believe that his stats against Texans backups was more reflective of his ability, fine, go for it, but you at least have to take that into account. If I’m Daboll, I’m having the starters play the 1st next week, not just a series. We need to see if Jones’s play yesterday was merely shaking the rust off, or him playing like he does.
Let’s face it, when asked to throw downfield, he has not been good with the exception of flashes during his rookie year. That was 5 years ago. He plays for a QB guru who runs a very QB-friendly offense. The OL looked very good yesterday (at least in pass pro), he has weapons, there are no more excuses.
Although I doubt that will stop some here from continuing to make them.
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My comments were about the game yesterday and how he performed. Once he settled down I think he was fine (for him). Is he Stroud, Mahomes, Herbert, etc. ? No, of course not and no one thinks that. If he can play like he did after the 1st two drives I think that is the best we can hope for. and hopefully its enough. If he surprises us all and really gets it together, then great.
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
Generally agree. More discussion should be placed on why the QB we started in yesterday's preseason game is QB1 and, quite frankly, still on the roster altogether. DJ arguably has no real value for this team if he cannot even get through 30 minutes of a preseason game without looking like a train-wreck.
This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year.
I don't see DeVito or Lock being any better. At this point we are where we are, and unless we pick up someone it has to be DJ.
They might not be better players, but at least they don't have an injury guarantee for $23 million (nearly 9% of the teams total cap) next year
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My comments were about the game yesterday and how he performed. Once he settled down I think he was fine (for him). Is he Stroud, Mahomes, Herbert, etc. ? No, of course not and no one thinks that. If he can play like he did after the 1st two drives I think that is the best we can hope for. and hopefully its enough. If he surprises us all and really gets it together, then great.
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
Generally agree. More discussion should be placed on why the QB we started in yesterday's preseason game is QB1 and, quite frankly, still on the roster altogether. DJ arguably has no real value for this team if he cannot even get through 30 minutes of a preseason game without looking like a train-wreck.
This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year.
I don't see DeVito or Lock being any better. At this point we are where we are, and unless we pick up someone it has to be DJ.
Lock isn't better and a known quantity. DeVito may not be good but he isn't worse than Jones either and is still an unknown quantity.
So let DeVito try and be QB1, or go make a deal for another QB out there If there is no one or Schoen is unwilling to try then refer back to my last comment above... "This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year."
There is no such upside there with Jones. He locks on to receivers, even before the snap, going back to his college days. It's a severely limiting flaw that you can only hide behind a scheme for so long.
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My comments were about the game yesterday and how he performed. Once he settled down I think he was fine (for him). Is he Stroud, Mahomes, Herbert, etc. ? No, of course not and no one thinks that. If he can play like he did after the 1st two drives I think that is the best we can hope for. and hopefully its enough. If he surprises us all and really gets it together, then great.
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
Generally agree. More discussion should be placed on why the QB we started in yesterday's preseason game is QB1 and, quite frankly, still on the roster altogether. DJ arguably has no real value for this team if he cannot even get through 30 minutes of a preseason game without looking like a train-wreck.
This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year.
I don't see DeVito or Lock being any better. At this point we are where we are, and unless we pick up someone it has to be DJ.
Its really silly to make determinations on devito, who has played less than a season, but we need to see more from jones after 65 games.